They look fine if the iris texture is used as in poser but then you can't dilate the pupil. Should I just make a cornea material? Has anyone got a good one they want to share. I don't actually know how to create a material in carrara anyway. Love esther

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I don't think you are going to be able to make a pupil dilate. I suppose you could make a shape you could constrict. Making a texture with different pupil sizes would probably be better.Easiest might be altering the pupil of an already existing texture or creating a texture that would go over that part of the eye to look like a smaller pupil.

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Oops I didn't explain that properly. The cornea is that clear transparent layer over the front of the coloured (iris) part of the eye, so as long as it's transparent the iris and dilating pupil will show through just fine. It's just a matter of making the cornea look real ie sort of wet and glassy looking. I dunno quite how to explain it but if you look at someones eye from the side you will see. Poser people handle itin poser by either making the cornea same colour as iris, or making it completely transparent. If you make it completely transparent you loose the rounded look of the cornea. However in carrara there is the possibility of having a real looking cornea. Love esther

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What I do for the corneas if I've imported it as a pz3 files is just put the alpha on the corena so it's transparent but leaves the highlight on it to make for a more realistic cornea. I can post a screen shot of my shader settings for the cornea if you'd like

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I'm not a poser person, really, but here's a thought that you might be able to work with. One of the distinctive things about the lens of the eye is its refractive property. Perhaps your cornea should be mostly transparent (98% or more) and should have some refractive index added, as well. I'm not sure how the DAZ eyes are built, so I don't know how this would be implemented, but it should add to the realism of the eye, I think.... - Dex

I gotcha. I haven't done too much w/ poser stuff either or studied eyes, however, throwing this together I got what looks like a good place to start anyway.Heres a post. Uses V3 textures.

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I didn't really set reflection this could be looked at. I didn't use alpha. 100% trans instead. Index of refraction is water. Shininess is 65%.

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off to try it - love esther

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If you set to around 20% more or less that works. Don't want it to look like glass.

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what do i do with transparency - fresnel etc? love esther

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Reflection works a bit differently now. You set the shader part to a percentage(around 20%. You could try fresnel, but I don't think it will work well I would leave it a 0)

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16% looked ok in preview, but didn't render yet.

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16% shiny? what % transparency?

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shiny I have high. 65% Under reflection the is another brach in the tree called shader click on that drop down then select value 1-100%. 16% looks ok. You may find viewing angle etc may change the look.trans is 100%, but no alpha.

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I thasn't come out well but I don't k now what I am doing wrong. Love esther

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I'm trying again. thanks for clarification. Have I got the refraction bit right? Love esther

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no - still not working well.

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yeah refraction is right. I am a bit confused because it looks like you have all the shaders for you model in there. The parametric map looks like it could be the cornea from the little ball, but you only want to do this to the cornea shader.I brought mine in via daz obj for this and merged groups so mine could be setup differently.If you look I just have multichannel then texture map.Set that shader under reflection to 16% value.

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Parametric mapping seems to have no effect...didn't think it should, but I just checked.

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I'm not sure what you mean.

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Ignore the other texture issues here, but here is a render.

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Your textures are different. Ignore the parametric comment. It doesn't matter.I am going out for a bit will be back so don't think I disappeared. I think you will have to tweak. Yours just looks a bit glassy so maybe just turn the shader under reflection down.

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Noooo don't leave me aaaghhh - okay, see you soon! love esther ps will try adjust reflection

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sorry I am back...had to run before store closed.LoL. Didn't want to leave you hangin. How did it go?

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My textures are free vicky lo res so they aren't so great to begin with especially up close.

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esther, I think part of the issue is your base texture looks like it may already have a reflection built in.I have seen some with fake reflections also. You may need to examine the underlying textures. Are the eyes just too glassy or what do they look like? I am sure not only do you need good textures, but there is probably tons of technique and theory behind doing eyes. Gotta be some tutorials around.

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Yes it has got some reflection drawn onto the texture - ist that what you mean? Love esther

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Yep. That will make a difference. Something made into the texture can throw things off alot.If you can't replace the fake reflection(which cannot be adjusted and won't look real)then you may need to turn reflection down.It will be hard to tell if this is your problem or something else.You could also try to use only reflection instead of refraction(or try refraction in a 1-100%)Shininess you may want to adjust also. You may turn shininess and refraction down to nothing then add them back that will help you see how each affects the texture.

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Also, your really strong light in the eyes will effect it also(that may be for demonstration only). Try the fake GI Indoor lighting scene and see if you like that as a starting point.

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in the shader with the texture I ticked the little box that said make white invisible. I don't know why I did this, or what it does but the cornea I think is looking better. I'm just going to check it from all angles. Love esther

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the pupil isn't dilated properly because of the overlying texture on the cornea otherwise it looks quite good - like i mean really good! love esther

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i just took the texture away and changed it to a black colour - first test not too bad, but no reflections so i'm turning them back up and i think i'll have to turn some on for the pupil too. love esther

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There is a reasonably priced set of eye textures in the market place that I picked up... great real looking irises and you can chose to use textures without reflections on them. I bought them and they work great for using them in carrara. I'm not trying to do a commercial for someone's product but if you want to know which ones let me know. And I made the mistake of a blonde... when I typed in alpha in my earlier post... I use transparency and a low refraction setting on the cornea. Great progress both of you! Christina

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Hi Christina, Thanks, that sounds interesting too. do you use a texture in the colour part of the cornea and if so, with or without reflections usually? Love esther

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Christina, when yous ay low refraction settings, what sort of thing are you talking about. I have tried water set at 1.0 Love esther

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Well glad it's working esther. The box you checked for transparency is normally checked when you are using the transparency channel like an alpha channel. This depends on how the texture is setup, but is often used. I think christina may be referring to what I mentioned earlier about setting the shader under refraction to a 1-100% value like you did with reflection and starting low and working your way up.You have to show us your render.enigmaticfrog I think posting the link is fine to a product you like...it is certainly relative.

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Oh I see you did that in the regular channel.

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I usually don't use a texture on the cornea... since our corneas are clear... and I use anywhere from 1.0 to 2.0 refraction. The iris textures I like are eye to eye by billy-t I think. I know the package is eye to eye here in the MP. Will pop out a render.... C~

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Hi enigmaticredfrog, i would like to try clear corneas too - could you pleasse tell me the complete settings for the whole cornea? Do u modify a preset like clear plastic? love esther ps this pic is using a texture that a friend sent in the colour channel, and transparency is around 98% Love esther

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ps the left pupil is dilated, the right can't dilate because the iris texture is part of the cornea Love esther

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Ok... here's a front view...

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view 2... ignore the pixiated skin text... yuck

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opps... pixilated.... grrr... fingers didn't work

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this one needs tweaking because you can't really see the cornea... :P

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ah that's a little better.

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ok esther... here's what I've got... color: none alpha: none highlight (usually none depends on my mood) same with shininess bump none reflection value 16% refraction value 2% everything else none

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Those are good eye textures ef.The skin is good too.esther those look good..she has big eyes. If you have only cornea textures that are just a dome and they are 100% transparency should that create a clear dome?

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It should create a clear dome... as I understand it...

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I see...yeah that gives you a different look.

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I would think it would I don't think too many eyes are done like that tho. black as a highlight tends to look about the same as none.

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Very good information...you could spend forever on every single texture on a model. I am trying to improve hair. Some hair is sad.

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I've never used black asa highlight except when I wanted to completely get rid of the highlights...

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Hi enigmaticredfrog, you said everything else none, but surely you jhave to havetranspaerncy? or no? love esther

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Christina - what were those commercial eye textures? i can't find them. the eye to eye product in renderosity has no textures - just adjusts your own textures to fit other figures. love esther

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Why was I thinking it was a billy-t product... I've never bought any of his stuff? My brain is fritzing lately sorry... I went and looked in my purchase history. It's Eye-T-Eye by mask edit... here's the link to be sure...http://market.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?ViewProduct=30199 It really is a great product. Christina

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okay here's what i ended up with - the one on the right is the one with a texturemap in the colour channel, and on the left is a modified clear plastic with highlight index of refraction diamond set to 1 and 100% transparency, no bump, shiny 2%, reflection 2%, no colour etc and i just bought the v3 eyeball texture pack from daz which has a whole lot of those reflection maps like i've used on the right eye

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left eye from side - no ttexture map as i said before love esther

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I think it depends on what you are going for. They both look good... but the left one is truely reflecting the environment... where the right one isn't. Great progress. Christina

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couldn't have done it without your help! Yes, I've saved both versions and now I'm trying the new daz textures I bought. I'm sure these are the ones you are talking about, and guess what, they import into carrara looking right anyway (I can't tell for sure if they've put the textures on oppositely for the eyes as they should be so they don't come out mirror image), after all that hehe. But as you say, it's nice to have ones reflecting true environment, but often that environment might just be a camera with a light behind it as sometimes poser people live on stage sets. Love esther

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All my poser people live on stage sets....well except for the few prized ones that are allowed to live in my head (some of my characters come from my writing) I've got those textures too... I think... I know I've got a set of daz eye textures. :P Sometimes it's just a matter of trial and error, and since I have a thing about good looking eyes... I thought I'd contribute to the post... it's been fun as always.

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here's the daz corneas with one of their reflection maps. Love esther

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don't worry about her big eyes, it's just the camera angle and focal length. Love esther ps I hope hehe

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just testing a colour - seems to look different when i post love esther

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All the textures look good esther...where did you get them DAZ3D? Which character is this? This character would be good for some things, but I think the really betty boop lashes and huge pupils might be hard to work with for some things.Definitely makes your eyes more important.

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No honestly it's the camera focal lenth. I did fisheye so I could see the corneas well whilst adjusting them. Here, I can prove it. Love esther the texture skin is wet and dry gina. But the lips and eyelashes are from drenched, both wet textures here at renderosity.

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and the character is angie from my avenging angel novel.I morphed a V3 just by spinning dials. currently ebook but I have got a publisher waiting for my redraft, and I am going to make a comic kind of graphic novel type thing so I can put in all the bits I had to cut out to make it novel length. Love esther ps I've got a few pics of her in my gallery too.

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I personally think the big eyes are beautiful,but thas just my oppinion:D Indeed she is a beauty.

Thanks! Love esther

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Glad I'm not the only one who brings my novel characters to life.... Sweet love that last image... just brings it all together. Christina BTW ren_mem... I'm with you on the hair problems... not many great hair products out their... and some render great in poser and not in Carrara... wonder what's up with that?

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Oh that's great esther. Yeah, it isn't a problem with this angle.They are lovely eyes. What I meant was that when you have strong features they can have their limits for certain looks. While those lashes look longer than real lashes(even the longest)it's so distinctive that it would only fit a certain look. I think the hair has alot to do with the difference in how they handle shading and lighting. Probably lighting more so. Hair/lashes and eyebrows...really are difficult to get right. You end up with wrong colors, greasy looking or mat...real problems.

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Esther, do you have the head and body morphing kit from daz?

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Yes - if you mean the standard ones that you buy as an add on. That's what I used for making the above character. Love esther

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Excellent scene estherau, but I'm wondering why so many Poser female models have lips that look like they've been kissing a frozen hockey puck? When kissing-frozen-hockey-puck-lips go out of anatomical style, all these graphics are going to look a bit.well like corsets as fine art.

Now dont take my comment personally, your work is excellent. ;-)

Hmmmm? I've never kissed a frozen hockey puck.... that certainly got my mind thinking....

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I understand that this is how Angelina Jolie got hers? She had considered frozen rail-road tracks, but it's difficult to recover your lips after that experience, so she used a hockey puck -- also the puck shape beats the railroad tracks -- more lip compatible.

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Well about the lips.This is whats in.Reuben woukld work today,it would be at McDonalds.It is just a sign of the times.Not to mention VERY hot:D

Esther, that's what I meant. There is an addon package w/ head and body morphing for v3. I think all the looks have their place... like colors. Just depends. Makes the world go round :D

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oh I think those big pouty lips will be in style as long as I'm doing poser stuff hehe. well you never know. Hockeypuck hehe. It's the camera angle - I keep telling y'all that. well partially. Love esther

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