Ok, many of you would have seen my old car paints, well, I've started again from scratch using a more realistic way of doing things. Tell me what you think of the result so far

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Very nice.

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Really like it!

I really like it, but what are the little bumps or grooves I see on the front corner and along the bottom front? Is it just my monitor, hard to tell if I'm seeing things or not when it comes to textures lol. Awesome colors and reflections ext

there are no textures used here. its all procedural. I think what you are referring to is the compression artifacts caused by having a low quality on the jpg

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I like it :)

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much better, Look at that wax job:)

can you use this and make into a texture that can be tiled on the outside of the wheel as a mat file and bump?

can you use this and make into a texture that can be tiled on the outside of the wheel as a mat file and bump? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

outside of the tire.

Those bumps and groves are from him compressing his jpg image.

One more question how would you gpo about doing a uv map on four tires without effecting the body of the car? can you just map four tires in uv mapper on the mesh without touching the uv mapping of the cars body?
I do know each wheel would need a box uv edit to have 6 sides of a cube as uv zones in which you would only use 5 of 6 uv zones because you wont need to see the other side of the tire. But how can you do this in uv mapper without deconstructing the mesh?

Message edited on: 01/31/2006 01:47

well, these cars that I am using are actually split into many MANY seperate objects. when imported into poser, poser of course does not split up the obj file into the seperate objects, but as far as uvmapping is concerned, you could load the tyre in by itself. as it happens these cars already have the tyres mapped the way you want them. theres the white-wall section, and the tyre tread section.

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heres another car with another color on. you will notice that poser has failed to import the crease grouping for smoothing out the object, so some areas have gone a little funky.

another things that truly sucks about poser is the "holes" ray-trace elements get in them. if you look at the reflections on the car body, you will notice some small spots that have no reflection on them. I have not, thus far worked out a way to get around this. On the Murcielego at the top, changing the creasing angle fixed it, but not on this car :( EDIT : Tukan-Tiki I think it would be easier to create an image in photoshop to do the bump mapping, as the image you have supplied is not suitable for proper bump mapping, becuase it is a lit object, and not an elevation map of the object. also, for tyre tread, using displacement would yield much better results, but the displacement map would have to be very clean.

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TemplarGFX
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Are these materials available anywhere? Could you show us some screenshots maybe?

this is the scene that these renders are done in. the big ball is 100% ambient white, and about 4 times the size of the car. and about 4 times the hieght of the car above the ground. the white plane is also 100% ambient white, and sits just below the ground plane (which is used as a shadow catcher) this is a well known trick used by the pro's when rendering cars to give it a nice shiny sharp reflection. Ill take some screens of the material and post it soon

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Heres a mini in pink! LOL as you can see looking at this compared to the lambo at the top, the quality of the model greatly effects the quality.

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Very Nice! I can't wait to see the material set-up for this!

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These paints are absolutly gorgeous.I expecially like the pink/purple mini.Not the colour,just the look of it,very realistic i think.

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OK, a little change to the way the reflections work. like real reflections, the intensity of the reflection (how bright it is) dictates how visible the reflection is. for example, if your standing in the shade with half your body in the shade, and the other in the bright sunlight. looking at the can paint, you will see the reflection of the side of you that is lit by the sun alot more vividly that you would the side in the shade. does that make sense!?

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Ok, here is what I have so far.

things that still need tweaking :

All of the MATH nodes to do with the reflection amount need tweaking to give good results over a broad spectrum of paint colors.

Math node in relation to basic paint color dark area needs tweaking.

reflection base amount.

I will keep posting updates as I go, feel free to copy this and do your own work on, just post your results! EDIT : If your wondering why this is a little blury, I have just recently re-installed windows, and I dont have any jpg editing applications, so I screen capped this, brought it into mspaint, cut out just the material, then used it as a background in an empty scene in poser, and rendered that scene LOL

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Now this is a BM.. :-)

Very cool, thanks for sharing:)

Bravo, this is definately of the highest quality rendering! I can't wait to see more!

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Not like anyone would paint a Military Aircraft this color, but I was curious using the nods. :-)

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You should add a 100% white ambient sphere above the plane, out of picture (about 2xplane size) to give it a nice reflection. or use a skydome to get sky reflections

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templargfx - One suggestion, I wouldn't use rendered backgrounds. These images look so real I would love to see them with actuall photographs in the Bkg! Did you get my IM? = )

Hey, templargfx, how am I supposed to get any sleep when people like you keep giving me new toys to play with? I'm trying a "blend" node in place of the "simple_color" and feeding the "simple_color" to one input, and a "spots" node to the other in seach of a metal-flake effect now...with limited success so far, but it WILL work :) Dammit, I pulled an all-nighter coding PHP last night, I don't need this. ~lmao~

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The reason I ended the color on a simple color node is for one reason : A simple color nodes is really another diffuse slot. you can plug anything into the simple color node, such as a blend node, and make a whole new material off it. just set it to white first. Ill do up a flake effect when I get back (going to the shop) and we can compare results! Angelouscuitry : yes I did, I am going to zip it up and upload it to my server, its less than a meg (very simple scene) and post the link here when I get back!

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templarqfx and slinger can you guys post your flake effect here when done? -thanks

Great work, especially with the chrome!! But I like your old stuff too!!

heres a nice pick of the lambo on the back of a lowboy truck trailer. unfortunately, the truck model was very low res, and as a result has problems with smoothing (as I still cant get poser to import smoothing groups, even though the feature is supported!) As you can see, on the truck alot of surfaces have textures on them, all I did was plug the texture into the SIMPLE COLOR node (set it to white first). The math nodes that are there automatically change the edge-blend colors to match the texture colors

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Honestly it's very difficult to tell your low res models from your high-res, as they all look so nice! Where do these models come from?

well,The truck, and is lowboy trailer come from DMI Car Models (along with many MANY of the cars in my collection)

http://dmi.chez-alice.fr/models1b.html

The Lamborghini is also from there, but this particular one is extremely high detailed, and links to another site from DMI, same with the Mclaren, you can grab those straight from this site :

http://www.nmt.ne.jp/~artmagic/models/free_models.htm EDIT : Oh, there in Lightwave 6 format, this could be a problem for people out there without a model converter such as POLYTRANS by Okino (its what I use) If you DESPERATE for one of these models, I will convert it for you, but dont flood me with requests LOL

Message edited on: 01/31/2006 22:02

TemplarGFX
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points to above post by Templar I'M DESPERATE!!!! I'll name my first kid after you if can make this work! Hmmm I don't think God wants me to reporduce, so I'll name my next dog after you! JK. Is POLYTRANS by Okino, free or a pay program?

Its a purchase program, can convert about 100 formats to 100 formats. has fantastic polygon process functions, such as polygon reduction, triangle->guad (coplanar) quad-triangle. object split by material etc.

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I hope you make a preset texture pack with this this stuff is awesome:)

Fantastic look, I save your settings' pic for reference :)

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What is wrong with the above image?

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Mmh... the tobacco ad ? :D

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LOL, other than that! With regards to the WAY the car rendered, with particular attention to the material I created and used on the body can you see it? the MAJOR flaw, the HUGE stuff up

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The Interior of the car is a bit fubar... can see the background through it. Plus the spoiler is also fubar... eesh. Unless that was done on purpose? :) Never know with us 3D nuts. Also, the Air Duct on the roof of the car is rather screwy too. Almost no definition, looks like a pimple in a way. Anyways, do you have the Murcilago's material zones edited from the stock model? If so, could ya post em in freestuff? This would help me out majorly... Seeing as the peep that modeled the car didn't bother to make a logical naming system for his model. Thanks again!

Umm...using SkyDome. Increased the skydome tiling due to dotty Sky texture. Lighting issues. Realizing their is no skydome light sets. Endless attempts trying to get the sky to reflect on the aircraft, patients running out. :-(

Message edited on: 02/01/2006 09:10

plug the skydome image into the ambient color, and ramp the ambient amount to 100%. put the diffuse amount to 0%. if your still having reflection issues, plug the skydome image into the diffuse color also, and slowly raise the diffuse amount up.

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The bumper bar answer was very close. more importantly, its the COLOR of the bumper bar. if you look over the car, all the white areas actaully have a highlight that is DARKER than the white LOL

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do I still get a cookie for my observations? :D

These all look really nice.

Quote - the big ball is 100% ambient white, and about 4 times the size of the car. and about 4 times the hieght of the car above the ground. the white plane is also 100% ambient white, and sits just below the ground plane (which is used as a shadow catcher)

I find this thread very interesting. I'm new to the light stuff so can you expand on what you said above a little more? How to you make a "light ball"? Also, how do you know the size of the car in order to determine making the ball 4 times that size, or 4 times the height etc. Sorry if this is all basic to some of you, but I'm just very recently getting into what I consider more advanced things in Poser. For along time all I did was play "Dress up doll" and now I'm trying to learn more stuff.

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Well, The big ball (or light ball as you call it) is a High Res Ball from propsPrimitives. I changed the material to 100%ambient WHITE. As for getting the size right, load up the car you want to render, zoom the camera out, and then use the SCALE dial in the properties panel to scale up the ball until it looks about 4 times the length of the car, to make things easier, you might want the scale DOWN the y axis after you have the size right, to squish the ball, so that it does not take up so much room. The ball itself does not produce any light, but it looks like a light when reflected on the car. does this help?

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Yes, thank you :)

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Awesome work. Thank you for the tips.

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Just a couple of questions for ya Templar... 1. When in Polytrans, did you rename the material zones? And if so, could you post a couple of screenies showing how? Or a bit of a tutorial on how? 2. Concerning the poser paint shader, what are the steps to doing it? I can see by the image that you've got just about everything interconnected, but just how did you arrive at this? :) 3. Did you use P4 renderer or FireFly? 4. I still haven't gotten my cookie dagnabit! :) Thanks again! Blade

Fistly load your model into POLYTRANS

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Under the SELECTOR, click the DROP DOWN BOX, and choose SURFACES (MATERIALS)

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Re the "metal-flake" thing...here's where I'm at. I've got fBm nodes feeding into a color_ramp node, which is using a cellular node (although that's in no way crucial, it's just what I used) as its input...the output from the color-ramp goes into Specular_Color, mainly because it gives some degree of control over the eventual blending with templargfx's basic setup.

Comments are extremely welcome as I know bugger-all about cars, and even less about the paint jobs they get. ~lol~

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The main issue I am having with the fleck-effect is that this setup uses no real amount of specular rendering, the highlights are created from the reflections. this causes problems, because you cannot (as far as I have been able to figure out) use any type of spot type effect on the reflected highlights. now that probably makes no sense, but nevermind LOL. another problem I have encountered is that in order to get the spot node's spots small enough to give a realistic effect, about 0.00025 spot size, the node goes hay-wire. You want the flecks to be so small, that when viewing the car from distance (like say the distance in your render) the flecks are visible individually, but just give a highlight to the cars body.

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click on the NAME of the material you want to rename, a context-menu will appear, choose RENAME

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THEN TYPE IN THE NEW NAME OF THE SURFACE. now of course, the problem comes when you have no idea what the surface is for. PolyTrans does not have (as far as I know, a surface visualisation mode. 1 way would be to change the color of the surface before renaming it. another way is to split the model up according to materials (1 object per material). or you could load it into poser, find out what each surface is, then rename them.

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Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12356&Form.ShowMessage=2568570

Because I am vain! and I like attention LOL, I have started a new thread! seriously, I have totally re-worked the node setup, and I think it works much better now, so I have started a new thread. just click the link

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bagginsbill made a car paint shader.
but if you are using gamma corrected shaders you need a GC car shader. the orb shader is like plastic or car paint. i used it for a car and it looked incredible. in the package you also get glass so its perfect.