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Subject: OT - Survey - What screen size do you use? ... ;=] ...

geep opened this issue on Feb 11, 2006 · 120 posts


geep posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 9:24 AM

Prolly been axed before but, if you will ...

One more time ... si vois plait. ;=]

Do you have your screen size set to:

640 x 480 ?
800 x 600 ?
1024 x 768 ?
1152 x 864 ?
1280 x 720 ?
1280 x 768 ?
1280 x 960 ?
1280 x 1024 ?
Other ?
What's a screen size?
...... (Pssssst - NaySayGuy wanted me to include that last question.)

Thanks for taking the time to answer.

cheers,
dr geep
;=]

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Tunesy posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 9:35 AM

Hi, Doc. 1024 x 768


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1280 x 1024.




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AlteredKitty posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 9:43 AM

1024 x 768

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bandolin posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 9:45 AM

1280 x 1024. mon plaisir


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AtelierAriel posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 9:47 AM

1280 x 1024 - 22 inch monitor.


patorak posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 9:54 AM

1280 x 960 my good Doctor.



steerpike posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 9:56 AM

1024x768 as a rule on a 17-inch; but I have a utility called QRES which I've configured to change to 1152x864 when I launch my graphics programs, Poser included, and change back when they close. Even that small change makes a difference.


Khai posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 9:57 AM

2560x1024


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Damn, khai, what do you use for a monitor, the Enterprise viewscreen?




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geep posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 10:07 AM

LOL @ m_m

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gillbrooks posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 10:08 AM

1152 x 864 because I like to be different :)

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geep posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 10:09 AM

BTW - Just 4 the record, NSG is still using a monochrome (green) 640 x 480.

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spedler posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 10:09 AM

Dual screen, each 1280 x 1024.

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Andi3d posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 10:13 AM

What's a screen size? heh, j/k....1280x1024 on a 19" TFT

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dadt posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 10:14 AM

Dual screen, 1600x1200 for main window, 1024x768 for palettes


aeilkema posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 10:16 AM

1024 x 768

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Khai posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 10:19 AM

I'd have it at 3840x1024 if I could hook the 3rd monitor on my desk into the 1 PC... (I love having a 6ft by 3ft desk :) )

EnglishBob posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 10:21 AM

1280 x 1024


ghelmer posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 10:33 AM

1600 X 1200 - Poser preview window at 1024 X 768. On a 19" old crt piece of crap!

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randym77 posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 10:37 AM Online Now!

1152x864 on a 19" CRT on one machine, and 1280x768 on a 21" LCD on the other.


genny posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 10:47 AM

1024 X 768. I change the resolution as I change my computers. LOL! It all depends on what the screen size is on my monitor at the time.


Wombat posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 10:52 AM

2 x 21" each 1600x1200


geep posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 10:56 AM

Ok gang ... this is OT from the OT but I am looking for ... anyone having experience with ...

"black CDRs?"<<< That's BLACK ........... NOT BLANK, ok? ;=]

..... anyone .......... anyone .......... anyone .......... Bueller .......... Bueller .......... anyone ... ???

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P.S. NSG only uses blank CDRs in his 'pooter and never gets any errors ....................................... or data. ;=]

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stewer posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 11:01 AM

The PC has 1280x1024 on a lovely 17" TFT, the PowerBook gives me 1280x854 in 15".

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spedler posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 11:05 AM

Yes, I bought 20 black CDRs a year or two ago. I just thought they looked good, no other reason (sad, or what?). Anyway, they seemed to work as well as any other CDR. Can't remember who made them, but it was a well-known company.

Steve


Vali posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 11:11 AM

1024 x 768


RGUS posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 11:21 AM

1280 x 1024


blonderella posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 11:24 AM

1024 X 768 :)=

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jonthecelt posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 11:29 AM

1024x768 :)


4blueyes posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 11:32 AM

1280x1024 AND 1024x768 right next to it :) Michal 4blueyes


panko posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 11:49 AM

1152x864 on a 17" LCD :)

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Dead_Reckoning posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 11:50 AM

My screen size set to 1024 x 768. Cheers DR

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warpo posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 11:53 AM

I use 1440 x 960

(Mac Powerbook G4 Native Widescreen) Aluminium laptop

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anxcon posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 11:57 AM

4x 1280x1024 19 inch LCD my desk had 3 66 pound each CRTs on it......my desk cried they were used, 12 years old, got em 10 bucks each damn those things last long now everything is a "1-3 year warranty" and then breaks :P


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Mine has a 4 year warranty...




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RossoMan posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 12:02 PM

Ouch...just finished counting the pixels...I'm tired now. It's 1024 x 768 (maybe I missed a few?) ;-)


agape posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 12:05 PM

1152 X 864 on a 19" crt


slinger posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 12:08 PM

1024x768 on a 17" CRT

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dirk5027 posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 12:09 PM

Maxell makes black cdr's, I use them quite often for music screen size-1280 x 1024


SamTherapy posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 12:09 PM

1600 x 1200 19" CRT

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Helen posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 12:14 PM

1024 x 768 on a 17" Helen

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kuroyume0161 posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 12:19 PM

2048x1536 21" + 1280x1024 17" CRTs (Win) and 1440x900 LCD (Mac)

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lesbentley posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 12:29 PM

1024 x 768 on a 21 inch monitor.


Lucifer_The_Dark posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 12:32 PM

1280x1024 on 17"crt

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Acadia posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 12:33 PM

Attached Link: http://digitaltigers.com/zenview-powerscapehd.shtml

1400 x 1050

I work on a Dell Laptop and the default resolution is 1600 x 1200. I couldn't see to work at that high a resolution so after expermenting I went with 1400 x 1050. Apparently the options for larger text/gaphics while maintaining clarity is limited on this computer, LOL

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thefixer posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 12:40 PM

1024 x 768 17" CRT monitor.

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Ghostofmacbeth posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 12:47 PM

1024x768, 1280x1024 and 1900 something by 1200 something.



momodot posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 12:51 PM

1024x768 on a 12 inch screen... Why are these forum pages too wide even without an image in the thread? With the images above this thread is exactly 1024 across whichever font size I use. A narrower text block of maybe 640 is easier to read. Black CDs look kool and have never run any different then silver for me. They remind me of old LPs. [sniff}



arcady posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 12:57 PM

PC: 19" set to 1280x960 (in order to keep the 4:3 ratio). Mac: 12" iBook set to 1024x768 (it won't go to 1280x960). I tend to be on the Mac unless I'm working with Poser. But often I work with the PC by logging in to it from a remote location with the iBook, using the free 'Remote Desktop' application from M$. :)

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jcguitarman posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 12:58 PM

1680x1050 on a 20" iMac G5


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Acadia said: I want the screen at the link above!!!!!!!!! My birthday is March 1st .... HINT!!!! hehe Wow, and eight grand is right within my superfluous gifting budget! ;0)

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billisfree posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 1:00 PM

1280x960 19" monitor


Foxseelady posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 1:05 PM

1024/768 and boy do I feel deprived now lol


Asciicodeplus posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 1:11 PM

1152x864


xantor posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 1:17 PM

800x600


Neyjour posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 1:40 PM

1024 x 768

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Robo2010 posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 1:41 PM

1280x1024 17 inch TFT monitor


anxcon posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 1:43 PM

drools huge @$$ monitor! i want :(


operaguy posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 1:45 PM

1920x1200 Dell 24" LCD. Even then, though, I STILL run out of real estate with my preview window set to 720x540 when all the animation tools are open. :: og ::


Hanz posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 2:01 PM

Hey there Dr., I use 1440 x 900 (17" widescreen) on my Fujitsu Siemens m3438 laptop...


Tyger_purr posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 2:18 PM

I just went from 1024x768 15" laptop to a 1280x800 15" laptop. I have and use black cds for music and data.

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richardson posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 2:32 PM

1600x1200


Jim Burton posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 2:37 PM

2 x 21" monitors running 1280 x 960. Beware of non 4/3 resolutions! Isn't this a sweet setup? ;-)

geep posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 2:45 PM

re: non-4/3 resolutions ... Good point Jim.

BTW - nice setup - what CPUs are you running?

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geep posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 2:49 PM

BTW - I run a non 4/3 resolution. It's 1280 x 1024 because I have a 19" TFT and that is what the mfgr recommends and, also, it provides the best display.

If I try to use a 4/3 resolution, things get "fuzzy." ;=[

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Nalif posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 3:36 PM

1680x1050 :) I'm running on a Dell 2005FPW. I'd be upgrading to the 24" widescreen Dell has right now if I could convince someone to take this one off my hands :)


operaguy posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 3:39 PM

what's wrong with non-4/3 screen size setups? 4:3 equates to 1.333 I am running 1920:1200 which equates to 1.6, but it's just for screen real estate. Please explain. ::::: Opera :::::


logansfury posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 4:13 PM

17" monitor at 800x600 Im in the freakin stone age. Poser 5 takes time to work around in for sure......


SamTherapy posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 4:24 PM

"what's wrong with non-4/3 screen size setups?" Because graphics apps are set for a 4:3 aspect ratio. Anything else and graphics will appear to be either somewhat squished or somewhat elongated.

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svdl posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 4:32 PM

2560x1024 (2x 1280x1024) 19" TFTs on my primary Poser workstation 1600x1200 19" CRT on my primary Vue workstation. Those Dell UltraSharps 24" and 30" look nice, but they're a bit too pricey for my budget. When prices drop, I'll get one of those for sure. About that 4:3 setups: those are right for CRTs, they'll get you square pixels. TFTs often have other dimensions, a 5:4 setup (1280x1024) will get you square pixels. It's usually best to run a TFT at its native resolution. Other resolutions are often blurry. CRTs don't have this problem. But a TFT at its native resolution is sharper than any CRT.

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kuroyume0161 posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 4:54 PM

*"what's wrong with non-4/3 screen size setups?"

Because graphics apps are set for a 4:3 aspect ratio. Anything else and graphics will appear to be either somewhat squished or somewhat elongated.*

You know, you can fix that if you use another aspect ratio. There are these buttons on the monitor that let you adject horizontal/vertical position and size! ;) I'd like to add: Yes, I'm pedantic. I always set the colors to be equivalent and do some correction. I also literally measure the visible display on the monitor so that it matches the aspect of the resolution. Can't fail (well, unless you have an LCD without these controls...) Message edited on: 02/11/2006 16:56

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Porthos posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 5:05 PM

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geep posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 5:19 PM

???????????? .8 ??????????????????? See, I do read all these posts. ;=]

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diolma posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 5:20 PM

1280x1024. 'Cos that's the max (at 4:3 ratio(?) ) that my monitor (which I believe is 17") can provide and still let me read the text.. Cheers, Diolma



Jim Burton posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 5:21 PM

Yeah, you can adjust the monitor physical to match the pixel aspect ratio, but then your giving up screen size. If you rotate a circle 90 degress with a non 4/3 display it circle becomes an oval. ;-) I've got a 3.2 Pentium overclocked to 3.5 on my main system, I sometime fire up the other computer which is an old AMD 1.3, it is connected via a KVM switch and network cards. I sorta bought my house with how I was going to setup my computer room in mind, here is a panoramic pic of the whole deal, I couldn't get it into one picture! ;-)

geep posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 5:29 PM

That looks like a li'l peace [sic] of heaven! ;=]

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operaguy posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 5:30 PM

i am not following this conversation. For instance, "If you rotate a circle 90 degress with a non 4/3 display it circle becomes an oval" is not remotely true on my 16:10 monitor. I knew it was not, but tested it just now in my 2D app with a bit-mappped circle. Doesn't matter which way I turn it, it is/looks round. Do you mean "If you have a non-4:3 monitor, and set it to a 4:3 screen resolution like 1024x768, things will be distored?" If that's what you mean, then yes. But then, if you have a big 19" CRT, which is intended to be 4:3, but set the desktop resolution to be 1920x1200, which is not 4:3, you'd get a distored desktop also, right? But don't people with 'whatever' display size adjust their settings to the correct aspect ratio for the monitor, so everything is nice and normal? ::::: Opera :::::


operaguy posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 5:31 PM

now jim, admit it. You cleaned up the desktop before you took those pictures. VERY COOL SETUP!


operaguy posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 5:32 PM

what is a TFT, and how is it different than CRT and LCD?


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I'm always amazed at the amount of responses a simple question like this gets.


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diolma posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 6:06 PM

TFT: = "Terrifying Financial Threat" I suspect...:-)) Cheers, Diolma



Khai posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 6:12 PM

" TFT: = "Terrifying Financial Threat"

I suspect...:-))"

naw.. thats upgrading system so it can run Vista, buying Vista..

just so you can play Halo 2 on your PC.

...cheaper to buy an XBOX...

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svdl posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 6:27 PM

TFT=Thin Film Transistor. LCD=Liquid Crystal Display. Both are used for flatscreens. LCD is the older technology. LCD used to have a terrible response time. So if you moved your mouse, the display couldn't refresh fast enough to keep up with the movement. Tricks like mouse trails were needed to keep your mouse pointer visible. TFT had faster response times and better colors, but was far more expensive. That describes the situation of a couple of years ago. I'm not sure how things are right now. I should catch up on my tech reading...

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Daio posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 6:41 PM

1152x870

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kawecki posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 7:15 PM

1024x768 on a 14" monitor 800x600 on a 17" monitor!!!!!

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Jim Burton posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 10:12 PM

Operaguy- The pixel ratio has to match the monitor aspect ratio. 1920 x 1200 is a perfect match for a 16:10 monitor, most monitors are still 4:3, though. I started on 3D many years ago on a system that had a Targa 16 card with 512:486 resolution, the rotate the circle effect was VERY noticable on them! The old EGA cards were 640 x 350 too, also far from 4:3. I also remember Macs had this monitor you could rotate (physically) 90 degrees to get a full page display, tall and narrow, now that I think of it. Anyway, most "modern" display cards offer square ratios. I mostly mentioned this for the people who have a choice between 1280 x 1024 and 1280 x 960 modes, in this case more gives you less, perhaps. ;-)


tainted_heart posted Sat, 11 February 2006 at 10:36 PM

1024 x 768 each on dual monitors.

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operaguy posted Sun, 12 February 2006 at 12:48 AM

AMD 3500+ i am really hoping Poser 7 takes advantage of more than 1Gig Ram and is dual core and/or dual processor aware. That would be glorious. ::::: Opera :::::


vilian posted Sun, 12 February 2006 at 2:42 AM

Hiya Doc :-) I'm using 800x600 - you can't go any higher with 15" monitor without tiny icons/letters/everything trying to kill your poor weak eyes :( My Poser scene window is usually 380x380 or 480x360. It's small, but posing is still posible - by rotating camera and zooming in often.



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Jules53757 posted Sun, 12 February 2006 at 5:38 AM

1280 x 1024 on a 19 " CRT, but for surfing I switch to 1024 x 768.0 due to the small letters 8-)


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Indoda posted Sun, 12 February 2006 at 7:19 AM

1024 x 768

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Mike K posted Sun, 12 February 2006 at 7:42 AM

1280 x 960 on my 19" flat screen CRT at home, and 1280 x 1024 on twin 19" TFT panels at work. The Viewsonic TFTs at work are built to 5/4 ratio. Rhino circles look perfectly round. Mike K


stephaniebt posted Sun, 12 February 2006 at 8:27 AM

I'm glad I'm not the only one who uses 800 X 600, and that's on a 19" monitor.


radstorm posted Sun, 12 February 2006 at 10:14 AM

1024 x 768 on one.. 800 x 600 on da other :0)


Dave-So posted Sun, 12 February 2006 at 10:18 AM

1024x768 how many monitors can any one video card support that supports more than one? With those new pci-e cards, where folks plug in 2 vid cards, can you have 4 monitors hooked up ??? Can you remove the case of a CRT to make them appear closer together ? then mount in a home-made case? kinda like modding your PC ????? such ideas for an early Sunday morning

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Khai posted Sun, 12 February 2006 at 10:22 AM

erm.. I've seen one setup posted online.. where the tester had put 6 PCI-E Vid cards in and had hooked up 12 monitors...

my Geforce will only support 2 monitors... :*( as to the ratio / circle debate.. in my modeler of choice when I do circles... I type the size I want in. and it's then a perfect circle ;) I trust the numbers in the program more lol (and I never do 2D circles freehand. use the Shift key in Photoshop ;))

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Kendra posted Sun, 12 February 2006 at 12:35 PM

1680x1050

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Gareee posted Sun, 12 February 2006 at 1:02 PM

Dual 19" monitors here in the main system running 1600x1200, The same on the wife's system, 1280x1024 13" monitor on my second system. (All 3 are networked.) I use it to check forums and email when I'm working on the main system. Oh! one crappy old win 98 system on a old 13" monitor networked to just play MP3 files while I work.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.


Petunia posted Sun, 12 February 2006 at 3:42 PM

1280 x 1024 on a 17inch thin LCD monitor. The system I use to login to the internet is our oldest system.


Jim Burton posted Sun, 12 February 2006 at 3:42 PM

Attached Link: http://www.ehow.com/how_13829_connect-two-monitors.html

This guy says you can connect up to 10 monitors on a PC in Windows. Now if I only had 10 eyes to watch 'em all... ;)

GaryC90503 posted Mon, 13 February 2006 at 12:57 AM

Attached Link: http://engadget.com/2005/10/25/uc-irvines-monster-hiperwall-monitor/

At home, where I actually get to spend some time in Poser - 1680 x 1050 (20in iMac G5) At work, where I don't - 2560 x 1600 (30in Apple connected to Dual 2.7 GHz G5) (I haven't had the nerve to connect a second 30in monitor, even though one is unused) The clear winner, though, is UC Irvine's Center of Gravity - 25600 x 8000 A wall of fifty (50) 30in Apple displays hooked up to a cluster of 25 PowerMac G5s.

operaguy posted Mon, 13 February 2006 at 1:24 AM

an unused Apple 30" monitor.....that is conspicuous nonconsumption. BTW, Dell is continuing it's agressive pricing and positioning of the big Ultrsharps. The 24" LIST has been reduced to $850 because of the introduction of the 30" (2560x1600 pixels native), which lists at $2200, but you can get them to go lower. I know it is expensive, especially because if you go dual 19" CRT you can get just about the same real estate for less than $500 total. ::::: Opera ::::


kristinf posted Mon, 13 February 2006 at 6:33 AM

1280 x 1024 (on 2 x 19" TFT)

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diana posted Mon, 13 February 2006 at 7:39 AM

depends on the computer:
1024 X 768 on Dell CRT monitor
1024 x 768 on my old 15" flat panel
1280 x 960 on the laptop
1280 x 1024 on the desktop 19" flat panel


Gareee posted Mon, 13 February 2006 at 7:42 AM

Heck, you can get 2 19" crts now for as little as $60! Much as I'd like to get flatscreens, I'll wait till the pricing on them drops even further.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.


nightfir posted Mon, 13 February 2006 at 10:29 AM

I use a dual screen set up with each screen at 1024 X 768. I'm looking to get 2 or 3 high def monitors when I get my taxes back and cash I have saved up.


Bobasaur posted Mon, 13 February 2006 at 12:51 PM

Apple Cinema Display at office 1680 x 1050 Home Monitor (1024 x 768) Regarding the 4:3 aspect thing... Your monitor uses square pixels regardless of what resolution it's set at. The aspect ratios that you are referring to are relevant in the video realm where TV screens and some of the media use non-4:3 pixels. It doesn't apply to your monitor unless you're trying to display something specifically set to be non-4:3 on your monitor. A circle created in Photoshop using squaree pixels (the default) will appear to be a circle on your monitor no matter how you rotate it and what your screen resolution is. Unless... you have used your monitor controls to stretch the picture out.

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tastiger posted Mon, 13 February 2006 at 1:00 PM

Dual 43cm (1 CRT, 1 LCD) both @ 1280 x 1024

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Jim Burton posted Tue, 14 February 2006 at 9:38 AM

Regarding the 4:3 aspect thing... Your monitor uses square pixels regardless of what resolution it's set at. The aspect ratios that you are referring to are relevant in the video realm where TV screens and some of the media use non-4:3 pixels. It doesn't apply to your monitor unless you're trying to display something specifically set to be non-4:3 on your monitor. Well, square as differing from what, round? ;-) Let me make a simple example- you have a display that measures physically 12" wide x 9" high (thus 4:3 ratio). Your ultra-cheap display card uses a 640 x 350 (the old EGA ratio, a not-square one). The pixels actually measure .01875" wide x .0257 high. Non square, right? Now, to show what happens when you rotate a circle with is display, you draw one on the screen that seems perfectly round, it is 257 pixels wide X 188 pixels high, and measures 4.82" wide and high. Now, you rotate it 90 degress in PhotoShop. Photoshop rotates the actual pixels, so the former circle is now 188 pixels wide x 257 pixels high. The oval on the screen measures 3.52" wide x 6.60: high. Oh My! Bear in mind most modes aren't as non-square as the old EGA ratio, ut uou get the idea how it goes. ;-)


Khai posted Tue, 14 February 2006 at 9:45 AM

and this is why I don't do circles freehand ;) in tS, I type in the size I want or I use the Snapto tool. perfect circle each time.....


Jim Burton posted Tue, 14 February 2006 at 9:53 AM

Here is a Dr Geep graphic on what I'm saying...

Which brings up a more important effect of non-square screen sizes:

When I set my right monitor to make the above graphic to 1280 x 768, I made the first circle round, then rotated a copy of it 90 degress in Photoshop. However, when I brought the picture into the left monitor (still running a "square" 1280 x 960) neither circle was round, one was a tall oval, one a wide one. Graphics are a set number of pixels, the result will change due to what the pixels actually measure.

So, if you are running a non-square pixels (which would be whenever the physical size of the display doesn't match the pixel ratio, it doesn't have to be 4:3, that is only the "normal" size) AND what you produce is shown on another, "industry standard" square pixel display the result is going to be too tall or too narrow, got what I'm saying? ;-)

We need to produce "standard" graphics (gamma factor too) if we expect our pictures will look as intended on other computers.

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ynsaen posted Tue, 14 February 2006 at 9:55 AM

Bobasaur is correct. The pixel's he's referring to aren't the "classic" pixel, which is always square on computer screens under the standards they are set up (including your EGA example) under. Televisons, however, inclusive of HDTV, have a different standard that uses a rectangular pixel. In some situations, a computer creation will seem somewhat distorted on a televsion screen if the difference in pixel aspect isn't taken into account. Most video editing software adapts this as a default setting depending on the NTSC or PAL format.

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shedofjoy posted Tue, 14 February 2006 at 10:26 AM

2X19inch-1crt 1lcd both set to 1280 x 1024 would prefer 2X80inch HD plasmas but need to win 160,000 lol....

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Bobasaur posted Tue, 14 February 2006 at 10:57 AM

@jim Square as opposed to rectangular. I'm not familiar with EGA but your description of it sounds like TV pixels. They are taller than they are wide. The image above shows different Pixel aspect ratios as offered by Photoshop CS. If you create a perfect circle in an image based on one of the TV ones (D1 or DV), it will look distorted on a computer monitor - unless the software compensates for it in your display. Photoshop will do that. If you create an image using square pixels - the norm for computer monitors - it will look distorted on a TV unless you convert it. What you have described is like working in a document created using TV pixels but displayed on a computer monitor without any compensation. I have no idea how common EGA is but it's never come up as a concern in any of my professional studies in video production so my suspicion is that it's not that prevalent. That's not said to diminish your point at all. Please bear in mind that the stuff I'm talking about is only relevant if you're working back and forth between computer monitors and TV screens. Or maybe I should qualify that by adding "non-EGA computer monitors" Also, I'm referring to the aspect ratio of the pixels themselves. Not the number of them that are displayed in any given direction on a computer monitor. If you are using square pixels, your square pixel based image (such as Poser outputs) will display properly regardless of whether your monitor is 1024 x 768 (4:3 aspect) or 2048 x768 (an 8:3 aspect I made up just for example purposes). All the latter gives you is more screen real estate to work on.

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Bobasaur posted Tue, 14 February 2006 at 11:01 AM

Woah.

That's some sort of cross-post. I've been writing in between renders and haven't refreshed the page.

And here's the JPG I referred to.

It looks like the moral of the story is "don't use an EGA monitor."

;-) p.s. I think I get what's happening so I want to re-iterate, the aspect ratio of the display is not the same as the aspect ratio of the pixels themselves. The pixel's shape is a function of the hardware (as in monitor) you're using. It can't be changed - although sometimes software can compensate for it.

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modus0 posted Tue, 14 February 2006 at 11:44 AM

1280x1024 17" LCD.

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