I was just over ar Poserworld. I had just left it a few minutes before, I was doing some D/L'ing at Poserworld. When I returned, I was greeted with a page asking for my name and Password. What's that all about? That's the first time That's happened to me, at Poserworld. Any info? Thanks.

Confirmed. Same problem. No idea

Gordon

Yeah, what's this? I can't even get to the site to create a password for it. I've never had to do that before. Steve, are you out there? How do we get to your site? Melanie

They may be shutting down temporarily for the upgrade to a T1 line. See threads below

Gordon

quoting steve ~~> "We are having problems with the server, should be all fixed by 1st april"

I think we will be obliged to prohibit the download accelerators use to preserve a correct speed to everyone. Your pbs are the webmaster tests result. Try to download with your browser only and all should be working fine. Serge

I don't use a download accelerator and can't get to poserworld, it's asking for a password. Today steve mentioned he was having probs.

Hello alltogether, yes we're having some problems at Poserworld (if you start the first page of Poserworld you'll see ...) - maybe these words are a little bit to direct :-( - but I hope we alltogether (the Poserworld-family) will find a solution that is acceptable ... Don't get panic ...

aaaaaah... "Don't get panic..." New motto for my life. |-)

I don't use an accelerator, I just use my browser. I saw the first page, and I am NOT happy now! This, in addition to Rena's announcement, has made this a very strange day in Poserland for me. To lose both in one day is very disheartening. All the wonderful things at PoserWorld and FairyWoods, no longer available to the general public? How utterly discouraging and sad. PFO still hasn't gotten their Funstuff back either. Is this only temporary, or a sign of things to come? I find these occurences vaguely disturbing, somehow. What has happened to our community, of late?

Will everyone just lighten up a bit? Patience, for smegging sakes! Poserworld is transferring to a new server and a new T1 line. Give them a few days to work out the bugs, disasters, failures, kinks, mistakes, problems and smegups, okay? I mean, geesh!

Due to the fact that users are abusing our free content sites and bandwidth with download accelerators (Like GetRight, Mass Downloaders, FashGet) and web site strippers the PoserWorld website is closed for a make-over. When PoserWorld re-opens it will be primarily a subscription access (pay for access), with a small public area with free models. Our costs to operate the free download sites has gone from a few hundred dollars a month to over $2,000.00 a month and we cannot afford to add bandwidth because there is no budget for it. Content owners if you have content on PoserWorld we will offer you free access to the subscription area, or will remove your content and/or place it on the free (public) area. If we cannot maintain Poser World with being abused by users using mass download software we will close PoserWorld for good. Email Steve Shanks regarding access when we reopen or the removal of your files. If anyone has a complaint regarding this move please fell free to tell the folks that abused the sites it is their faults. The pay for subscription website will have little or no advertising and there will be premium content for download. Feel free to visit the PoserGamers, Poser Fashions and Schlabber websites till PoserWorld is re-opened. If these sites are abused by mass download software they too will be closed or moved off of PoserWorld. You folks that are using FlashGet, GetRight, Go!Zilla, and mass downloads programs to rape our website are you happy now? You have nothing to download now...

Would have been nice to have some warning...oh well. Marque

argghh - oh well :o(: Simply let me say some very different bad things came together at the same time ... - but please (just as casamerica said: PLEASE GIVE US TIME TO WORK THIS OUT !!!) Marque - are you acting everytime like this ?? - we're all at work now (me too) - we could only meet in the evening alltogether (the Poserworld-family) - we are spread around the whole world at last - there are many websites involved (as you allready said) Yes I'm not happy with this start-page you've copied and paste here - but we could only react alltogether in a few hours - Poser is our hobby - not our job - the job goes first then (hope you understand ...). So please wait one or two days longer before starting a hassle - thx

Not starting a hassle, I got this in an email from someone else who was shocked. People here were wondering what was going on, so I put it here. Why do you want to keep us in the dark so rumors start? Just be honest with us, most of us can handle that rather than wondering. I already got an answer from Steve on some questions I had. Don't be evasive, and please don't falsely accuse me of "starting a hassle" because that's not fair. I put in the facts from the site, if it was not something you wanted people to see why is it there? Sorry if I ruffled feathers. Marque

Oh and no hassle, but I won't be coming to poserworld thank you. Marque

Not starting a hassle, I got this in an email from someone else who was shocked.<<< Shocked? By what? The fact that someone offering a free service could no longer afford to keep it free since they were being taken advantage of? Or shocked that there are actually those out there who would take such advantge by using programs that basically allow them to suck a site dry while harming all other users as well as the site operator? Bandwidth does not grow on trees. Yes, I would have liked to have known what was going on. I kept wondering why the site had slowed so noticeably. Now I know. And I am wondering how this will affect those who have purchased the PoserWorld CDs and the use rights of the site content. But, I'm still going to give Steve and the others time. Why? BECAUSE AFTER ALL THEY HAVE GIVEN US FREE, IT IS THE VERY LEAST THAT CAN BE DONE. And if they decide to go subscription, and the price is reasonable, I WILL be there. >>>Don't be evasive, and please don't falsely accuse me of "starting a hassle" because that's not fair. I put in the facts from the site, if it was not something you wanted people to see why is it there? Sorry if I ruffled feathers.<<< Marque, I don't believe you are starting a hassle. I think the hassle started due to a combination of things. Unfortunately, those conditions seem to be rapidly becoming common not only within this community but the net as a whole. I think people are getting hurt and are getting angry because their generosity and trust are being abused. We've seen it highlighted very clearly here just recently. And sometimes, I am sure, it just... gets to you. Steve, Rena, Schlabber and the others are good, generous people. I am sure they have went through some very painful weeks over what is happening right now. Whether you agree or disagree with them -- or even understand what or why they are doing -- grant them the benefit of the doubt. Grant them the benefit of trust. They did to us and we abused it. Yes, I think we at least owe them that. Anyway, just so you know and because it many times doesn't come through over the net, I am not in any way trying to condemn or hassle. I guess I'm just babbling to get it off my chest. Make any sense? Take care.

Sorry I have to say one more thing and then I will drop it. I did not abuse their trust, and I have bought 3 CD's from them...mainly to show them support. I don't care if they go to a pay site, I am not complaining about that...or anything else. I put what I thought was an explaination for folks that didn't know what was going on. I didn't write that .. they did. I don't know why he jumped on me about it. And I have never used gozilla or any of those programs, and I don't always download something just because it's there. Why was I jumped on????? Time for me to exit for a bit because this is really not right. And I have only complained about one other thing here, the total hair and as soon as he fixed it I publicly gave him the respect he deserved for taking care of it. I'm not "acting everytime like this" and I resent being made out to be a trouble maker. And at this time poser IS my job, that's why I worry about using stuff commercially, legally. So the person who you seem to think us causing all the trouble is going to not say another word about it. Just don't take it out on me because you're having problems...it's NOT my fault that things aren't working out. Marque

Well the price of popularity, is both good and bad. I think it is only a matter of time before the cost of a community becomes proportional to the number of members. Hopefully the cost to each will remain small. We pay for every day of our life, one way or another, we all live and learn every day. I did not realize that there even were mass downloaders out there, and I would think that the use of an accelerator made it easier on the server, not harder so there is room for everyone to learn from each other. I learned that some of the accelerators have secret programs that cause advertisements and such...so I have avoided them cause I am leary of the secret stuff...it may be that there is nothing to this secret stuff...but I am a bit superstitious too ....I just appreciate the time and energy that goes into these forums, public and private websites offering free stuff...and I am sorry that along with everything else the cost of having a site goes astronomical...soon we all will not be able to afford electricity so it will be even harder to justify our hobby...all we can hope for is good old human ingenuity in fixing the problems....!

Why poserworld take this decision without warning and without prevent of their problems ? Are the visitors of their sites too stupid to understand or to help us ? What do you think of an enterprise who close the door without warning ? How could we guess their problems if no one tells us that there is a problem. I don't make divination !!!! I think that the web is going a wrong way if every body do this kind of thing. I have some inquietude about the future of the net if everybody create closed sites reserved for only a few people. Where is the freedom of the net ?

Marque, >>>...I did not abuse their trust,...<<< I used the word "us" in a generic sense. I did not particularly mean you or anyone else. I am sorry if I offended you. >>>And at this time poser IS my job, that's why I worry about using stuff commercially, legally. So the person who you seem to think us causing all the trouble is going to not say another word about it. Just don't take it out on me because you're having problems...it's NOT my fault that things aren't working out.<<< I did NOT state you were a complainer. And I pointedly stated, quite clearly, that I did not think you were starting a hassle. And I most certainly did not state that YOU were causing "... all the trouble..."! All I wanted to ask was for people, ALL of us, to show a bit of respect, patience and understanding for some very decent, generous and good people and the problems they are obviously suffering. That was obviously asking too much. You can now remove your fist from down my throat. I'm outta this one.

AAAAAAAACK!!!!!!! marque: i appreciate your copying and pasting to let us know whats going on. um... but maybe you should preface it with an announcement that you're copying and pasting, otherwise, it looks as if you are saying that. i mean, i figured it out after a while (or thought you were working at poserworld now...?) but... it's best to preface quotes so people know you're quoting.

Good wishes to the dedicated PoserWorld gang. I expect your subscription policy will be generous and worthwhile, and I'll probably sign up. Good luck with your transition work. Marque, I was confused, too. Without a preface as to that statement's source, it sounded like you were a spokesperson for the site. Probably also a touch of language problem (and heavy-duty stress) in following communication. Thanks, by the way, for the update on total hair, very useful, and good to see a satisfactory outcome.

ENOUGH!!!!!!!!! I cant believe what Im reading..I cant remain silent when I see such filth and ingratitude towards a man whose given you so darn much over the years!!! How much MORE greedy can you be folks????? Thank you all for certifying my last decision as the RIGHT choice to make! Your are NOT worth it anymore..period! You read what you LIKE not what is written just as it serves your greedy needs.. If I were you the least I could feel would be SHAME! And you do owe steve a huge apology since hes not responsible for that intro message in Poserworld..the owner of the server IS! Am I glad I still know where I stand on and what I stand forlooks like a few of you should conduct a serious search in their souls about itso think about it! To those of you who have shown patience and good faith..I do apologize for this outburst..you are the ones all our efforts were worth for, over the years of massive offering both on Poserworld and Fairywoods. As to the restYOU and your childish attitude "I want this NOW..not tomorrow..not next week!" are the ones to blame over this new situation..so JUST ABOUT ENOUGH!!!

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Sorry its taken so long to get back to you and i'm sorry the site was taken down without warning there is a simple reason for that I'm in the UK and the server is in the USA so it was 6.30am when i found out and it had already been down some time, it would also be a mistake to call our hosts he has made 200% effort to keep poser world open for free but the facts are none of us can afford to pay out $2000 a month to keep the site free. I must also apoligise to Bloodsong for not letting you know imediately what had happened to your downloads, sorry buddy)......more later i have to go back to the day job :o(.........Steve

Oh, my. I had had so much trouble trying to get a download from there to finish, that I gave up. I was eagerly waiting for the new server. Sigh...Another wonderful morning.

Having been around here (and other places) for a number of years now, I do understand. Steve has been one of those people that has given and given to the 3D world and I, for one, don't have one complaint at all. Yes, I've bought all 3 CDs, but if this has to be subscription (and I understand why), then so be it. I use it all the time--and, truthfully, wondered how it was totally free. The only thing that IS a surprise is that this appeared sometime after I went to bed and before I booted up this morning--it amazes me how much can happen in such a short time--whew!!! Whatever happens, Steve, et.al,--you have my support. Diane

Geez, everyone. They offered us this stuff for free. No one complained then. They have some server problems...who hasn't once and awhile. Since when has everyone decided to cause such a stink over how someone else runs their website? Even if Steve did do it himself without notice, which we now know he didn't, why couldn't he? After all, it is his site. He has given freely to us for how long? He doesn't owe us the knowledge of what is going on, even though seems to have been more than patient over this. It is HIS site. Except for the people whose stuff he is hosting, no one here has a legitimate complaint. So sit back and wait and stop worrying about something that shouldn't concern us all. I for one, will have no problem paying for access. I have downloaded much of what is on the servers, and have no problem paying for access to help them cover the bandwidth costs. Steve and Rena and all the rest involved, don't worry about this. You do what you have to do, I am sure that I don't speak alone when I say I will support and follow whatever you have to do. You were the first sites I found when I started poser, and I have appreciated all you offered us all since then. Keep up the great work. I know I will be there for it no matter what. Everyone else, let them be. It is their decision how to handle this. They need to do what is best for them, not what is best for us. Yes, we are a community, but not at the expense of the individuals.

From the beginning of my foray into "Poser" I have always found the Poserworld site to have had one of the slowest server response times compared with most of the other download sites. I am speaking about even getting the pages to load, not even considering trying to download a file of any substantial size. I find it curious and not a little insulting for the server to now be blaming site visitors for slowing them down. I have no idea what "accelerators" and strippers and so forth are, but I can guess why they were used if they helped speed up access to this server. I am glad that they are moving the site, but being an essentially greedy person, I am sorry they will be charging for visits. If they move to a more capable host, perhaps it will be worth the charge.

From the beginning of my foray into "Poser" I have always found the Poserworld site to have had one of the slowest server response times compared with most of the other download sites. I am speaking about even getting the pages to load, not even considering trying to download a file of any substantial size. I find it curious and not a little insulting for the server to now be blaming site visitors for slowing them down. I have no idea what "accelerators" and strippers and so forth are, but I can guess why they were used if they helped speed up access to this server. I am glad that they are moving the site, but being an essentially greedy person, I am sorry they will be charging for visits. If they move to a more capable host, perhaps it will be worth the charge.

I'm not sure that they are blaming people for the slowness (except recently). I think they are beyond the point of being able to pay for the used bandwidth which has increased astronomically.

Personally, I have GOT to say that I think the subscription idea is a good thing if it allows Poserworld and Fairywoods to stay up and provide the excellent quality that they have in the past. In fact, I don't know why they didn't go this route much sooner than this. And I certainly hope it will mean all those !@$%# ads and popups will be gone. wink, grin, nudge Hey Steve, Rena - you guys do what you gotta do. I'll be there no matter what. (And I was only half joking about the ads, guys) Kate (who knows how to turn off her cookies and javascript when necessary) ;-)

I just wanted to add my two pence worth(English pennys) I'm a big downloader from Poserworld I've downloaded loads of it. Steve's clothings, Rena's characters, Schlabber poses, Stuff from Bloodsong, Kalypso , John Mallis and all the other contributers. I just wanted to say all these people are great, they've all given so much to the community for FREE! Credit where it's due, these guys have to be some of the best and most giving poser users in the world! I was shocked when I saw this thread, it did'nt enter into my head to complain. Come on, how could you? THANK YOU POSERWORLD..... Best regards, Darren

I only have one question--where are the 'other' folks going--like PoserGamers, Schlabber, Sergemarck, etc.?? I've been patiently waiting for Jon's site to be able to be dled from again to get some of his characters (I've just discovered them--can you believe that??? LOL). Will they be part of the subscription area also--I didn't understand that from the notices. Diane

I have never complained about Poserworld being slow, nor was I complaining about paying. And I apologize for not prefacing the thing I pasted, I can see where someone might think I was trying to be mean and stir things around. That was NEVER my intention. I have not really seen anyone complaining about poserworld charging, just that we may not be there because we may not have the money. Maybe I need to have my daughter give me the name of the company she is with, she gets unlimited bandwidth for $200 a year. Granted she only gets 500 megs, but I'm sure they have deals for more bandwidth. Here is what puzzles me about the downloader thing. If I pay whatever it is that you ask per month, why couldn't I still take a downloader in and take everything from the site? I have no weird underlying agenda, I'm just trying to understand why everyone would be invited to go with that company and then have this happen. I honestly am not a mean-spirited person, I'm just trying to understand some things. No one is faulting anyone here, and I'm personally surprised you guys were trying to carry this thing for so long by yourselves. I think when you say to most communities...I can't carry this load...more than a few will not only offer to take the weight from your shoulders, but will just do it quietly and you will feel relief and comradeship. There are so many people from ALL of the sites that are so talented, I would hate to see any site go down, free stuffage or not. It's just sad to see beauty fade. I think in this dot com shakeup it's going to happen a lot, but we shouldn't let it affect us like this, to put us at each other's throats. Let's pull together and work on the raft before it hits the rapids. I was mainly shocked by the closure and the letter because I thought poserworld was a regular business venture and was leasing out space to everyone. It kind of looks like a mall when you go in. I thought it was kind of cool to go to one place and find so many different "stores" to hang out in, free or not. 8^) I know there is a way to work this out so that most people are satisfied...course, as my mother used to say you can't please everyone so do the best with what you have and don't be afraid to stretch it a little thin sometimes. I pretty much honestly like everyone here. Think of this as a big drop of water in a pond. The ripples go away from the center at the first shock of the hit, but it eventually settles back in. This is going to work out one way or another, I'm not going to stress myself out about it, I will sit and wait until I'm asked to help. As I said before good luck to you. I am probably not going to be signing up until I get this project I'm working on out the door, so put everything new in a lil bag for me, I'll be by to pick it up. 8^) Again, I apologize to anyone I've upset, just cause I'm an old woman does not make use my God-given good sense all the time. Marque

Steve, Rena...let me know how much you are going to charge and the money is yours. It is that simple...also I will have a few textures for you if you are so inclined. As for the others that are screaming about THEIR freedom being taken away....GROW UP ALREADY. Poserworld isn't just about YOU. There is a vulgar, yet good expression that alot of you people need to learn....SHIT HAPPENS. If you are soooo disappointed about the lack of clothing et al then learn how to make your own or SHUT UP.

Y'know, Home of the Underdogs has a script that squashes multiple download threads to a single location...

Marque..I would like to answer to your puzzlement..it's very simple indeed! Most of subscription money will be used to get extra T1 servers as it looks that we badly need them if PW & FW are about to consume HALF of the server's total bandwidth..which up to yesterday..that WAS the case! We left our old server just because we couldn't afford the bandwidth extra charge..Allen (our InternetEYE3D boss) spent a lot of money to get a server of his own and still provide all this for free. But once we grew further and made a little cozy place for all of us to relax in together, we started having serious problems than none ever expected. Some people go for the whole sites right at once!!! Newbies mostly I gather..who on earth would still wish for my very first character the Alternate Fairy, a Poser 3 one?? Yet, it was 3rd item in download preference last week!!! Now you see what I mean?? They have discovered a resource of endless freebies and they just want them ALL NOW!!! Sorry but there's no way me or steve or allen pay for the bandwidth their short mind needs! So since we tried almost every trick out, every script, every precaution to limit this..still they found ways to go about it! If you had a look at the stats page of every single hour on PW server,as we do, you'd be amazed and what people do to get whatever available for free! :o( I dont blame Allen a bit for finally shutting down his biggest problem on the server..Poserworld & Fairywoods. I would too if I were in his shoes..would you handle it any other way yourself??? If there's anyone whose ever fought harder for freebies around this forum than steve and me I'd like to know..but yet it's not possible we carry on our shoulders any more the stupidity of just a few who don't respect others and care just about themselves...so simple an issue I'm afraid! :o( Either we support and care for our home or we get it fall apart in ruins! :o(

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and oh..I forgot..if you feel like polls..there is one right now available on poserworld intro page, at least that's what I was told by Allen in his last message..

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Steve, I haven't joined in the conversation until now, but I wanted to add in my opinion. Over the last 6 monthes or so, the speed of the Poserworld site has been getting worse and worse. I would guess that one of the major reasons would be the fact that you began hosting other sites (Fairywoods, Propsguild, Posergames, Schlabber, etc.) and of course the fact that you have what I consider the single best source for P4 clothing on the web. You add up the number of people hitting ALL of those sites at the same time and you are going to chew up some SERIOUS bandwidth. I hope you get everything resolved quickly. And I want you to know that I have enjoyed everything you have done for the Poser community - ie. free clothes,etc., hosting for sites like Fairywoods, etc. And I will be one of the first people lining up at the door to get a subscription to your new site. I have bought all 3 of your Poserworld CDs and have not been sorry IN THE LEAST for any of those purchases! So keep on keeping on. And I'll see you when the new site opens up. John PS - I am a web developer, and if you need any web pages, etc. done -- let me know and I'll be glad to pitch in where I can.

Thanks Billywig. I evidently missed that while I was there. I have used Steve's clothing since the beginning--because I don't know how to model and don't anticipate learning too much--I've tried and I just don't have a lot of interest in it. His things are always a great value on the CD's and certainly the freebies. I don't dl too much at Rena's except to pick up special things from her characters, but I look at it often just to enjoy it. I also use all the other sections at the 'big' site, so I certainly feel that I would be getting my money's worth even without the extras offered. I agree, Steve and Rena have been at the forefront of keeping things free, but real life does intrude as Rena said in another post. Things have changed online everywhere and will continue to do so. For those of us that have been around since before the WWW, changes don't surprise me at all. The free part, I suspect, will continue to be the help, advice and support that we will get from the Poserworld folks. Marque, don't feel in the minority--I'm beyond the boomer age group too S. Diane

Diane...lol I'm on my way over there now. 8^) Marque

Poserfashion actual mirrors : http://members.fortunecity.com/poserfashion (US) http://members.fortunecity.fr/poserfashion (Europe) sorry, Serge

I have seen more and more charges made against the users of GetRight and other file download tools that have been not only rude and discurtious, but also not altogether true. Some folks may not know this, but GetRight has the ability of being configured to limit the amount of files downloaded and/or the total baud rate simultaneously from any site. I have used this configuration set to two files per site since finding this configuration. However, I have yet to see a website mention anything about a limit on downloading files. Saying that all visitors that use GetRight or one of the other programs are the ultimate culprits of the bandwidth woes and then stating that a fee will be charged for the future use of a website just because of these visitors is just plain sophistry on the part of any site owner. Many of these visitors have followed links that are plastered everywhere saying essentially "come and get it!!" It is NOT the fault of the visitors that you have created a popular site. If the site owner(s) deems to make money to pay for the site and extra bandwidth, that has nothing at all to do with the visitors choosing to download files and look at the site, and everything to do with site owners that have not set limits and then found the site has become unmanagable. Limits should be set on at least three things when even considering putting a website up, 1) The amount of time that can be spent on the website management, 2) the amount of money that can be spent on a monthly basis, and 3) the total amount of bandwidth that the site can reasonably sustain. If you plan a site and ask folks to come and download goodies, then turn around and slap them for it - I think it is time to take the whole thing offline until you re-evaluate what your site is really about, and who it is for. I will soon be posting a link of my own website to contribute my own small offerings for the enjoyment of all. I might even have a few select items for sale either on this site or elsewhere. I will endeavor to make the site as nice as possible and if I do set limits, they will be clearly posted for everyone to see. The main reason for my site will be my own enjoyment of sharing what I can to a community of folks that have shared with me so generously - hence I will welcome all visitors until such a time as I am incapable of doing more either finacially, physically, or emotionally. Petunia

I don't know whether it's good or bad. I've been a part of the community for almost two years. I didn't mean to foment an issue. It just began as an innocent query. Of course, I can understand the situation. Further developments on this thread have far outreached my original intent. Clarification, of course, helps us to understand what's going on. I'm sorry for those who in the future, may not be aware of the gems at PoserWorld, as they will be the real losers. I found Poserworld as I was just starting to explore the sites of the Poser community. If I couldn't have explored it, I would never have known what a wonderful source it was. I'm not complaining, it's too bad that a few have to ruin it for the many. But that happens a lot, under many circumstances. I will still support Poserworld,anyway. I know it's neccessity and not greed that drives the new policies. But you can't blame me for mourning, just a bit. I guess the age of innocence is a thing of the past. To quote Roger Devries in that great Mel Brooks movie "The Producers", "Quelle domage". (I THINK I spelled that right)

Petunia..I've preached the way you do (so comfortably OUTSIDE the dance since you don't have to follow the steps yourself - very true Greek proverb in case you wonder)fo quite a few years...What did I get on return? as long as Fairywoods was hosted on Xoom everybody was dissapointed because he couldn't get my stuff or access the site most of the time...they even complained because I had most of my stuff linked to items required from Poserworld...in a few words..a filled in inbox each night that I had to sort out, reply, take care of and spend endless of hours I might have spent for my leisure..I do have a demanding full time job too you know..why??? because I CARED! Then we moved in together with steve and everybody seemed to be happy..until we had to move to a new server..we didn't tell anybody we face bandwidth problems, we tried to solve the problem quietly by ourselves! You know what happened? More filled in inboxes, more complaints, more threads nagging about the download rate, even someone wrote to me yesterday why I had become so upset with him to forbid him access to download from my site!!! PARANOIA on its full glory! As a friend of mine very recently said.."once you got lemons you got to make lemonade"..I'll add to that or eat them sour and pass the night in the bathroom! Simple like that! If folks still want Poserworld and Fairywoods around there is no other way..they've put up with lots worse things over the past years..if they consider we'd better go ..we WILL! It's up to the majority to decide and fancy preaching unfortunately won't alter the facts! We'd love to give them all to you folks but we don't have to pay you for getting them too,on top! As for potential tricks Petunia about the server on our side as so nicely you imply...better let a few more leaves grow on your pot and find out WHO you are talking with here before you proceed to such easy accusations! Fine to clap outside the dance circle..once in..let's see how you sweat! :o)

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By the way, although I have told many of the fine folk at poserworld and the other sites that are integrated into it that I do appreciate the goodies, I want to publicly tell them that. And also would not mind a small fee for access. What bothers me is that there is no clear, concise, wording that even newbies would understand about bandwidth and how they can configure their software to be able to enjoy the downloading, without killing the hen that lays the golden eggs, and then blaming everyone that visits and downloads with these programs for the woes.

First thanks everyone for the support you've shown Rena and I, I'll try to explain how we got to this situation, the first site I opened was on my normal ISP and at that time I was writing for the Internet EYE so put a link up to them Allen noticed the hits coming from there and offered to host what would become Poserworld, this was 2 years ago almost to the day. Now the site running was left to me and Allen looked after the financial side of things running ads and accounting for CD's ect. to pay for the servers, as you know Rena joined us and then later Propsguild and everything was running fine till out hosts decided it wasn't charging enough, at which point or annual bill for all sites was going to be around $25,000 which we could never afford so Allen created his own server, we then accepted Posegamers, Poser fashion and Schlabbers site thinking everything would be fine once the T1 was installed, but well as you can all see it didn't pan out that way which leaves us in the situation we are in now.....as for the godzilla type apps at the point when PW/FW was gone and the other 3 where left up 80% of the downloads where mass download programs and 20% where real people downloading kinda makes you want to scream eh! LOL..........Steve

I've only used my GetRight as a tool for preventing the loss of a file, because of unexpected disconnects. I never even thought of using it for multiple downloads. GetRight allows you to resume from the point of disconnect so you don't have to start all over from the beginning.

I cant understand the whole discussion - what personalities do you guys have ? You get the best stuff (thanx steve and all the others) for free and you complain and harras those who give their work away ? You are simple greedy weirdos. I think this thread should be closed.

Okay, I don't usually get into arguements, but I just want to bring up a little point here. If you guys at Poserworld are going to charge for access, you need to have a MAIL IN option. I can totally understand the need to do something to cover bandwidth charges, but please realize (like so many other companies DO NOT) that there are MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people in this world that have neither a credit card nor a checking account to purchase items online. Thanksfully I have both now, but I remember a time just a few years ago when I didn't, and so many places did not have a mail in option I was left out of so much. If you must charge for access, you should have a mail-in option. Otherwise there will be alot of very disappointed people who want to gain access but can't.

This thread really saddens me, Im all behind whatever options you choose to keep your site and the other affiliated sites alive. Running two of the other big free sites, I know exactly what you guys are going through. The thing that really tee's me off is the reaction generated from user's becuase they cant access their freestuff. You should see the coloful email we get whenever the PropsGuild site goes down. Steve and Rena, I hope everything works out for the best for your sites, And for you ungrateful folk out there...and you all know who you are....Lighten up!?! And be thankful for all the generosity Steve, Rena and others have offered over the years and supplying the community with so much. Ken

I feel a little out of place since I'm not someone known here and my English is more than weak (I'm French) but I would just say thanks to Steve, Rena and all the people at Poserworld :) I try to imagine in the "real" world. Someone who don't know me tell "I've made a thing, if you want it I offer it to you but I cannot afford the post so please pay the post for me" I kwnow the gift is a really nice think I will appreciate to have, do I find it unacceptable to pay for the post, do I think it should the person who offer to pay for it ? NO, and I'm sure no one will (At least I hope so :) ) Here we have the same situation on the net why should we act differently ? So thanks a lot for this wondeful things you offer me Steve and Rena and yes even if I'm far to be rich I find it NORMAL to pay the post :) When somebody is generous we all start after a while to find it normal as if this person had to be like this and we even attack this persons if they stop giving us what they used to. Better would be to say tanks a lot for all what you did for me, can I do something for you now ? J-L

Maybe I'm blind or just too old, but I don't really see ANYONE complaining about not getting free stuff anymore. Am I missing something? I see a load of support for poserworld. If you have to charge so be it. Better to charge than not be there at all. Just do what you have to do and don't worry about it. We'll all still be here, and the ones that might complain will go away after a while. Sometimes this forum really gets me going and I have to turn off replies...think it's about that time....lol The dicision has been made folks, let this thread die already....lol Marque

If it boils down to either paying a fee or never seeing Fairywoods again... I'LL PAY!!!!

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Thanks to Steve, Rena, and everyone else, at Poserworld and Fairywoods, for all you have done for the community. Those, of you, who are potshotting them for their new move to subscription, to save their sites, I don;t get you at all, things cost money, someone somewhere has to pay for what we have been getting for free, well the piper needs to be paid now. As for the download accellerators, they are bandwidth pigs,, and can and often seize a server, forcing it to be manually reset. Getright and GoZilla are just as bad as any of them and many sites, this one included (at least it used to anyway), codes the download section so they don;t work. Download sessions from accellerators leave orphaned or open sessions behind, net spyders being the worst. A server sees the open session as drawing bandwidth even though it may no longer be physically downloading, and a spyder can and will have up to 1000 open sessions at once. There is your bandwidth problem and server slowdown right there, which forces an unnaturally high bandwidth bill to the site owner at the end of the month. Thus ruining what was for free and making it a pay site, simply out of laziness or impatience.

Steve: Rough choice. We're getting to see on a macro scale what happened 6 months ago with free webspace providers like Homestead. Half the reason I stick with GeoCities for my tiny little site is because they can handle the traffic, and have put up roadblocks to mechanical harvesters. Let me ask you: if there were a software solution which deterred these d/l accelerators, would you still need to go to being a pay site?

Uhm .. Just wanted to say thanks for all the stuff through the years. Wish I could do something or say something else but don't know what to say. Never complained about speeds and never used any of the harvesters. The only time I downloaded a bunch of stuff in a day was when PoserGamers came back up with new stuff and I grabbed 5 of the figures or so. Sorry to hear that you have to go through this and all.

um... this isn't gonna work, guys. at least, in my opinion. people went nutso here, when they were talking about charging membership prices to have access to download free stuff. and the point is, if there's a fee... then it's no longer free stuff. and it's not just the visitors who are looking to get goodies. what about the contributors? i'm sure that the fees will all be non-profit for the benefit of running the site, blah blah blah. but how sure is everybody else gonna be? then accusations of skimming start flying.... and then the contributors wonder why these other people are 'making money' off their free items. as a semi-major contributor to poserworld, i'm trying to reconcile this whole deal. i mean... when i make free stuff, it's so everybody can get it -- for free. now, if they can't get it for free.... i mean, what's the point? sure, they say they will have a 'small' free area that will remain open to public access, that contributors can elect to be placed in. but what if all the contributors want to be placed there? or the poserworld free stuff catalogue will be rotated through the 'small free area.' so what do i tell people? 'well, you can get my swan free, but only on months with a j in them' or something? i support poserworld, but to be frank.... i can't see having access to my free stuff limited in this way. and because i have a paid server with 'unlimited' bandwidth now, it would be better for me to host the files at my site, and post links to them on the link-only free stuff areas. :/ yanking my content from poserworld makes me feel bad, like i'm failing to support them and make their fees worthwhile with all my nice stuff. but i'd also feel bad and frustrated if people had to pay to get my free goodies, or could only get them free once in a while. i dunno. this sucks.

I have to say just one more thing...apparently someone in here has a guilty conscience or is REALLY thin skinned and thinks that everyone is talking about them. To this person (who shall remain anonymous) if you wish to get into a mouth battle with me and berate me for the truth...THEN GET BACK IN HERE AND DO SO. My statement was ambiguous and only targeted to the responsible parties....I am not sorry you took it otherwise.

Hey, Sir... I wrote you a private email, telling you that, for my lil 2 or 3 line comment this morning....I didn't appreciate being grouped into the huge category that you were upset with. What can I say? Thin skinned? Perhaps. I'm an artish. I am a woman. I'm sensitive. (And, I also didn't get my free "perm hair".....sniff... Well, those 4 access numbers between here and Cuba just wouldn't let me d/l from the overcrowded Poserworld...sniff.) Do battle? No, I don't think so. You hurt my feelings. I would have liked an apology. Didn't get it. Oh, well. As I stated in my first post this a.m. Just another "swell" day. Pop...pop...pop.

Personally, I don't mind if the site stays free or become a pay site. I love Rena's characters and I'd like to know what will happen to the characters that have already been offered for free. Will they be moved to the members area or in the freestuff? And what's going to happen with Schlabber's poses, for example, that were offered for free. Will they be accessible through the members area as well?

Maira..at this moment we are planning all along with steve and working on it..it's not easy to decide but I guess freestuff will have to be limited to a few items of each section (characters/textures etc) each update and all the old stuff to go in rounds to those pages. The new subcribed section will only include NEW items 100% ours as well as CDs items..I'm also considering at this moment to make available just face moprhs in groups, of all my previous characters..I think lots of people would find that pretty handy and versatile..just an idea.. Another one is to offer a poll where people might vote what old stuff they'd wish to see available on the next update..no idea yet how that would work out either! To reply shortly in Bloodsong's questions above..though steve will do it much more efficiently once he gets home :o)....I know we have talked about contributors being limited to a few but with full free access to the subscribed area. That means we will have to revise most of our old zips, keep the items we will get certification of creators to use with a free subscription as compansation & proceed to revison of the rest accordingly.. It's a tough job but one that HAS to be done if we wish to see PW and FW back online soon..hey, those are our babies, we'll stay up all night working if need be, just to keep them alive! :o) I promise we fill you in more details as soon as we know them ...even hard for us to keep updated at this moment...

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Again a huge thanks to everyone while there have been a few colorful emails (thanks Ken for the description :o) most have been very positive and supportive.....the way we are planning it (and nothing is 100% yet so we may see small changes)is to have 3 sites Poserworld free, Fairywoods free and a combined site, the free ones wil have about 6 models/sets on each which will rotate weekly at most (to give folks time to download) now these will be a combination of old items (not the really old :o) and new items rotated so anything you missed will pop back up......the members site will be divided into sections as the old site was but this time if i create a garment and rena a texture the whole set will be downloadable from one page and any additional textures ect. done later will have a link so you can easily match up which items go with which......basicaly we are trying to make it so you can find your way around quickly and easily.....Also its expected that the number of members will be smaller than the number of previous surfers so we will be better able to take requests for models where as before it wouldn't have really been possible and you'll be able to use the members forum or email to discuss this.....as I said this is our basic plan and not 100% but close to 99% :o)....Steve

"..at this moment we are planning all along with steve and working on it.." Rena, sounds like you are back in business. If it's true, you should let everybody know about it because I've heard a lot of ppl saying how sad they were to hear you leaving the place :-) And a suggestion: I think it's better not to blame anybody for a bandwidth abuse. You see, there's no way they could have known since there was no warning about it. If I had a fast connection and not a silly dial-up (you know how it is in Greece), most likely I would have tried to download as many characters and meshes as I could. Who could resist the temptation to grab all those beautiful things at once? Anyway, I wish you the best of luck with the new time. It was time you made some money out of your work. Maira

Maira..unfortunately it was not an easy choice..either we have to take it or quits! Steve is not as easy going when it comes to make you change your mind as he seems..ROFLOL! Hey..in case you can just give me a call at home (031-743246) after 6 p.m..I'm sure we'll enjoy the talk! :o)

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oh - well - Rena - you must be totally crazy by leaving your private phone-Nr. here (lol) - and for Maira: Finally glad to hear something from you - and to answere your question: As Rena said we have to take the choice or quit ... for me (at the moment) it means the 2nd one - but don't worry ... I'll make a statement to all of this when it is worked out 100% - don't worry to much about it ... I really need some Internet-holidays (even it is only possible in my freetime - you know I'm a webdesigner and so I have to keep in touch with the internet)

I'd also like to say a huge thanks to Bloodsong and you'll never have a reason to feel bad buddy your support of Poserworld over the years has been fantastic and also the wonderful way you put up with my disorganised ways LOL I'm just sorry we couldn't carry on as we where......check your email buddy :o).........Steve

Schlabber..do you think any of the above would be willing to spend on over atlantinc long distance calls just for pranks? VL Grin

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Rena , some of would to talk to you..LOL..after all it is only .77 cents a minute LOL

Gee..rates must have dropped since I WAS in US..LOL!

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"To this person (who shall remain anonymous)" Thank you for helping me prove my point.

<< Schlabber..do you think any of the above would be willing to spend on over atlantinc long distance calls just for pranks? VL Grin >> Wrong thing to say, Rena... my family is in Germany, so I am used to trans-atlantic calls myself! That is not saying I'll bother you with phone calls, though... I am glad to see you back in business! Heike

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I would like to commend Steve. You are such a gentleman. Your responses have been polite and positive. I admire your patience. I'm just grateful to you for all the wonderful things you've brought to us and I want you to know that I appreciate all of your hard work. You haven't lost me as a customer. Rena, I understand your frustration. You work so hard on those incredible textures and characters. You're truly one of the Stars here! I know things will work out for PoserWorld one way or another. The things at PoserWorld are well worth a price and I'm willing to pay. I just don't want to lose you. All my respect to you and everyone at PoserWorld, Melanie

I don't see it so much as paying for the characters and models anymore... I see it as helping PW to keep their site open for us all. But - is this going to stop the Go!Zilla hogs from doing it again? Or are they just going to consider using download managers their god-given right, especially since they paid to get in? In my experience, you can't change idiots!

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heyas; rena, for heaven's sake, they'll call you collect!! ;D steve: thanks, i'll check my email and get back to ya.

IF they ever find my line non-busy bloodsong! I'm always on the net when at home! ROFLOL!

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