First, I'd like to say that I've been a member of this community for a long time (5 years and counting). I, am by no means offended by nudity and I really do enjoy seeing the images others have put their hearts and souls into. It is that creativity that inspires others to create. However, in the recent months not a day goes by that there isn't a ton of more nude images posted to the galleries. Its like .. everyone has stopped trying to be creative and said "well, all the guys will look at this picture because the character is naked. So, I'll get more views". And its all of those people (and those "artists" who post those pictures) that will fire back with the usual "there's nothing wrong with it" or "if you don't like it ..." replies. I am, turning off the 'allow nudity' selection in my preferences because I'm tired of the hormone driven images that don't even qualify to be called art. They're just cheap .. p*rn. Thats my honest opinion. Like I said, i'm not offended by nudity .. just tired of the redundant use of it.

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I have the no-nd flag on, and I still get plenty 'o that..shouldn't see any from me (the missus would disapprove..;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

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My hubby has actually joked about the fact i should make an image befitting of the Renderotica gallery. The daggers i shot him were enough to let him know i didn't find it ammusing.

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kathym, More of us understand than you think :) I recently uploaded my only nude to my gallery. My primary intention was to achieve a classic feel as opposed to pornography. I know this is by far the exception rather than the rule of many of the nude posts here, so I can understand that you intend to enable your nudity filter, but if you would, give a quick surf over to the link Ive provided please before you do enable. Yes it IS a nude, so please dont link with any youngsters around until youve had a chance to preview it, but yours is 100% the kind of attitude towards nudity that I was hoping to get comments from to see how well I pulled off the "classic not porn" feel. Id love to hear your opinion of the render :) (nudity tag enabled as the pic is full nude)

Thanks for the comment :)

Im not sure why the picture flew under your nudity filter radar. I just checked my pic settings thru the gallery edit feature, and as you can see, it is properly tagged :/

That seems to be a common problem - the nudity filters don't work all too well. shrugs

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Isn't that like saying, there is a portrait overkill? There are a redundant use of those also in the gallery with a lot less variation of the same theme than nudity. I don't see anyone calling for a filter to take out the portraits. I just skip over the thumbnails of those in the gallery.

I'd also disagree that there is less creativity put into a image just because it has nudity than others, it depends on the artist, some have less and some have more. Just as in portraits, some do less with the theme and some do more. Is the problem with some that have a lack of artistic ability that they can only do such nudes? Then why single out nudity in particular when some that do nudes well are lumped in the same category?

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Kathym: I totally agree. I, too have at least 5 years of R'osity membership, as well. I know exactly what you mean. When someone puts boobs big enough to float a battleship on someone,I have to wonder... I appreciate artistic nudity, but there is a line somewhere between artistic license and a porn magazine. Male or female, it really turns me off an otherwise good image. Of course, there's R'otica, et al for those kinds of images. They belong there, not here. I pose another question; what's the difference between erotica and porn?

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Well, nudity is allowed in the galleries as long it's within the TOS. Set your nudity filter in your profile and you shouldn't see it. It's that easy. I'm a member for 5 years as well and I don't mind people posting nude dollies. To each his own. If I don't want to see it then I simply don't click on the thumbnail.

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Hm, I do not post real nudes, but I often use the nudity-flag if my character isnt dresses with solidly outerwear. That means that I just use the nudity-flag for open blouses,slim panties o transparent clothes, since a admin wrote to me to flag all images with "erotics" parts. So perhaps not all "nudity" images have really nudes for theme? I know that sometimes just a Bikini is flaged nudity.
The rules are very strict here in town.

Anyway, some pin-ups are really eye-candys and great digital-art others are funny qo.We cant lump all nudes together. Erotics means a touch of nudity that wakes up the thought of the viewer. Porn is hardcore and is showing often the practices of SM Scene.

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in case somebody didn't mention it already, the other reason that they post nudes is that clothing can be expensive, difficult to apply correctly, and it adds significantly to the render burden for poser's archaic memory-handling abilities.

In response: Puntomaus - the filters do not work properly. The kick out some and leave some just the same. Miss Nancy - any accessory adds to the render time .. but with clothing .. the body parts underneath can be made invisible hence, cutting down on the render time & memory cost. Unless we're talking for instance a suit of armor such as Sanctum's VA Grim suit or Utilize's Major Cache .. then there's no helping one way or another. LOL. I agree there is a difference between nudity, porn and erotica. My point is that it all doesn't belong here. And my 2nd point is those filters need to be fixed so when you select No Nudity you get no nudity.

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Quote - "well, all the guys will look at this picture because the character is naked. So, I'll get more views".

Yes, that unfortunately seems to be the idea behind most "nudes" in the gallery. To be honest I'm tired of the juvenile facination with woman's breasts and how women are objectified. I don't have the nudity filter activated, but I do bypass images that have thumbnails showing boobs, butt or genitals. If the image is done tastefully, I enjoy looking at nudes, but I don't like looking at blatant nudity just for the sake of nudity or gaining views, which all too many images here are. Personally I prefer subtle or partial nudes, with natural looking bodies.

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This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

in case somebody didn't mention it already, the other reason that they post nudes is that clothing can be expensive, difficult to apply correctly, and it adds significantly to the render burden for poser's archaic memory-handling abilities. LOL ... now thats a good 1 ... or 3

kathym, if you think nudity does not belong here then you might want to delete some of your gallery images...

http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=1180287&Start=1&Artist=kathym&ByArtist=Yes

http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=1169601&Start=1&Artist=kathym&ByArtist=Yes

http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=1147253&Start=19&Artist=kathym&ByArtist=Yes

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So it is the nudity that you have a problem with and not the lack of artistic ability and/or creativity.

If the nudity filter isn't working the way it should then it should be fixed with more enforcement of the nudity flag.

Just be clear on which premise you're going on, and don't confuse your dislike of nudity with a problem of creativity.

If your definition of images others have put their hearts and souls into. It is that creativity that inspires others to create. excludes nudity, then it's a faulty assumption that will only distort the issue and distract your efforts in getting the nudity filter fixed.

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In response to Puntomass actually i did those to counter the stupid amount of female nudes there are here. There are few male nudes done .. hey, that would be a change for the better.

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You have the right to uncheck or skip nudity...I can easily lose my right to post nudity here in a democractic majority vote. Why not just "check" the no nudity tag and make no public announcement? Last year I deleted a dozen renders and over 15,000 comments with the last TOS update. What you say has ramifications.

Good! Bring the ramifications! Sometimes things need to be shaken up a bit to bring about change.

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the stupid amount of female nudes there are here. There are few male nudes done ..

So it's not all nudity that you're objecting to, just female nudity? I agree that it seems to be a double standard here about male nudity (I once got an image deleted because the beret I used wasn't big enough to cover the male nudity that violated the TOS) and it doesn't seem as popular as the female nudity (There is no accounting for taste)

In my experience it is harder to do a male nude than a female nude, but I have seen plenty that have greater skill at it and can do it it right. They don't seem to be as large a number as those do female nudity (Even from the female artists, which the ones I've talked to say that females are easier to do well) But I seriously doubt that they are going to tailor the nudity filter to take out only the female nudity, if that's what you're after, it seems pretty much a lost cause Message edited on: 03/27/2006 15:37

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I don't know how much more simpler i can make it for everyone to comprehend. Its the over use of nudes in general (there are damn near no male nudes). The fact that a good percentage of those image feature girls with boobs, as artnik put it, " .. boobs big enough to float a battleship .." doesn't help their case any. There should be a gallery solely for hormone driven artwork.

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Nudity is the natural state of all living animals (including the so-called "higher" ones) on this planet. Artistic ability isn't. I tried very hard to keep out of this, but I find the reverting back to the Dark Ages attitude beyond my endurance (and logic). Art, comrades, cannot be restricted by "political correctness" nor can it be fenced within rules and regulations --otherwise it is not Art, it is something else. Having said this (for purely therapeutic reasons) back into the shades I go. :) --Panos

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"Our patience with all those who have not been able to fall in line is at an end. ... What you are seeing here are the crippled products of madness, impertinence, and lack of talent. ... I would need several freight trains to clear our galleries of this rubbish. ... This will happen soon" Adolf Ziegler,1937 President of the Reich Culture Chamber stahlratte

But that isn't a nudity issue, you're mixing the terms again. The case of the " .. boobs big enough to float a battleship .." is one of an image out of proportion and not as well done as some others. It's not a nudity vs. non-nudiy, it's more images with more skill vs. those without. There is also a greater percentage of images with V3 than those with Miki (by your accounting that would make them practically none by the same ratio as damn near no male nudes) Should they have their own gallery? If you want it as simple as possible, how about a gallery for those you don't like and the rest you do in their own gallery?

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If God wanted people to be nude, they would have been born that way. ;=]

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Doc!....................................... LOL --Panos

"That's another fine mess you got me in to!" -- Oliver Hardy

Sorry Kathym, but following this thread, I really wonder if the "nudity" of rendered females seems your real probleme. By sample are images with " .. boobs big enough to float a battleship .." are most cartoons or caricatures but rarely for " a gallery solely for hormone driven artwork." And altought I look arround here, I see such images not too often. So I really wonder how you find them always?!

I do not mind nudity in the galleries.

I mind the oh-so-supposedly-alluring-and-sexually-attractive-females with floating boobies that obviously do nothing in the render except just standing/sitting/lying/hovering above the ground without shadows and staring at the viewer in a quazi-seducing manner.

Do you see a naked chick in the gallery making dinner? Or ironing? or swimming? or working on the computer? or being a Grace or a Muse with all the attributes of the status? :) No :( All the naked chicks you see go on sitting/staying/hovering 2 inches above the ground staring at you through these enormous mammaries :/

So I agree with kathym. I love nudes. But to see the one that is worth seeing, one has to wade through the sea of boobies that are (for me) not supported by a message other than sex appeal.

I don't do nudes because it is hard to keep the line between a nice nude study and an image that shows my inability to clothe a model. In the eyes of the viewer I mean :)

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This is a beautiful nude done by Olivier. Alluring and subtle. You might have to login there as the image is posted in a thread in the Poser 6 forum.

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Sorry to disappoint you linda 357, but I need to remind you that Botticelli's Venus is not making dinner or ironing, neither does Goya's Naked Maya, or Renoir's Suzanna, or further back Aphrodite of Melos... :) ...but... as stahlratte so correctly pointed out above (#23)..... brrrrrr... it's getting freezing cold suddenly......... --Panos

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At the rate of sounding like an outsider sticking his nose in where it might not belong, I agree. There seems to be an overabundance of "nude for the sake of being nude" images in the galleries. I'm starting to wonder if the 3D community hasn't degenerated to some point of mearly being a tool of adolescent fantasy wish fulfillment. Mind you, I didn't say that it's all like that. There is some great work being put out in the galleries, some of which are outstanding. But, you've got to wade through a lot of garbage to see it. I don't have anything against nudity myself. I was born naked, or so I'm told, and do it every day. I've also posted a couple, but usualy to make some kind of point within the context of the illustration. I'd post a link to one image in my gallery (under Bryce-Science Fiction)...but I'm not really sure how to to that (blush). Maybe with Poser, as well as all 3D programs the old saying about with great power comes great responsibility...or maybe restraint. Hope nobody takes any offence, as it was not my intent to offend. And forgive my spelling. These things need spellcheckers...

Nudity? Where? :P

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Someone should post a nude of Gladys Emmanuel.
That would put a quick stop to it I'm sure. :)

munching on the popcorn Boy, never seen this topic before!

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We are the useless sluts that they mould
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Pass the Popcorn, I'm very hungry. :O) Passing out M&M's~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Yum!

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• joining ghelmer and munching hormone driven popcorn * What topic? Where? Who? And most important, where is Gladys Emmanuel when we need her?

"There is some great work being put out in the galleries, some of which are outstanding. But, you've got to wade through a lot of garbage to see it." Yep, and that what you choose to call garbage includes lots of images that do not show any nudity at all ...

Every organisation rests upon a mountain of secrets ~ Julian Assange

I hope everyone got this out of their system so things can go back to normal. WOW it kept me entertained for a while. As far as the nudity is concerned I for one don't mind it however, as long as the nudity tag is being used properly then what is the problem? Yes I'm going to say that if you don't want to view nudes then DON'T look. I see alot of over abundandce of stuff in the galleries but to each their own. This is an art community so enjoy things as you see fit. Life is too short. These M & M's are great:-) Thanks Turtle.

"There is some great work being put out in the galleries, some of which are outstanding. But, you've got to wade through a lot of garbage to see it." Yep, and that what you choose to call garbage includes lots of images that do not show any nudity at all ... ...and I agree. It's the same with movies or television or anything else. Who was it that said "90% of everything is crap."? I remember, I just can't spell his name right...

...my kingdom for a battleship model. Image the render! Hehehehe...

 Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things!  ; )

Boobs are like bubbles. They are prettier when there are lots of them. And doesn't a gagle of penises make everyone think of Springtime?

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Over 100,000 Downloads....

Witht he complexity of textures today for characters and the render times required to display them properly, who wants to put clothes on there models and slow down render times and cover up some awesome textures.... more nudity... it's great isn't it!

Ah!, yes springtime, when the dickweed gets into the pussywillows and makes them break out into kumquats!

I saw that enigma-man was doing models of am aircraft carrier, I'm sure he could do a battleship also and imagine the bubbles that one could render on that?

There are an abundance of all types of images of all kinds of skill levels. As I mentioned, portraits have a lot of the same types of complaints in common with what was wrong with nudity, I'm sure you could find a lot of others if you looked also.

It's not the nudity that they have in common, it's the skill in which they are done in, I agree you have to wade through a lot in every category since everyone has a different level of skill, some more, some less.

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My two cents! Nudity doesn't equal

ART

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Boy, wait'll Art finds out about that!"
He might get p*$$*d .............. or not.
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cheers,

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Just wanted to post in one of these threads. Thanks to Geep, Acadia, Casette and PhilC. Oh and a quote from one of those early 'Heavy Metal' magazines: Billy Loves Naked Girls. Best Wishes, Rance pass the popcorn and roll the credits ...

kathym, let me quote YOU from another thread: "Nothing that happens online means anything" bonni

"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis

I don't have a problem with Ndit..it doesn't bother me in the slightest. However, if I want to visit here on my lunch break, my employer has a big problem with it (the pink-slip kind..[or 'instant unemployment' to the Europeans]). I have to do all sorts of tricks and deletions to keep myself out of trouble. So it's not always personal preference..
Jelly babies, anyone?
-Dr. Who..;)

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"Nothing that happens online means anything" I thought everything on the InterWeb was poignant to all aspects of real life!!! Mmmmmmmmm... pass the M&M's! G

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i'm keen on beer nuts ... yum big naked breats for the sake of big naked breasts...I've seen enough of them myself. I rather see nice perky ones covered by a thin see-through negligee ... now someone please make an artsy image of that please....but after 20,000 or so of those, I'd rather see some urban slum real life images....and after 20,000 of those, how about some wildlife.... or better yet, how about some originality.

Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together.
All things connect......Chief Seattle, 1854

i may agree that there are some renders out there that just lacks taste but to say that all nudes are devoid of its artistic value just doesn't sit right. we are given a choice in this world and if you choose not to see naked women with breasts big enough to sink a battleship then by all means don't. if the only reason why an artist makes nudes is to get more views then he/she is missing the point. fact of the matter is, i don't even think just because a piece is viewed a thousand times count. sometimes i click on a thumbnail and gets disapointed when the rest of the render doesn't deliver but by then it's too late...i already clicked it and it's already counted in. still doesn't make it the greatest, does it?

If nudity were to get banned from this site, we'd just have lots and lots of boring, shadowless swimsuit renders, possibly with the same fraction of oversized boobies. Some people might prefer that, but I really don't see the big difference. I think nipples and genitals are as pretty or ugly as any other part of the body and showing them or not does not make the difference between art and porn.

Seeing lots and lots of boring renders of "sexy" females is just the downside of having an easy to use program like Poser with lots of readily available character models.

My 2 cents.
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BTW since I'm venting on this tread. I'm tried of all these sizes 48 EEE breasted women with swords. After my wife had the 1st kid, we couldn't play racket ball, anymore because she had no back hand!!! When I want to be a bad boy. I always stand next to my wife on her left side. (She's right handed.) She can't slap me; She has to turn her whole body to get any force behind the swing. By then I can see it coming and move. A sword woman with triple EEE's! All you'd have to do is stand a little offset to the middle of her sword hand she'd mostlike couldn't hit you!

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Still waiting for the ramifications Richardson.

Just enjoying the Vue. :0)

It certainly wouldn't hurt any artists to expand their creativity into the realm of modesty. I think alot of people would come to perfer it if they gave it a try.

Nudity doesn't equal ART no it doesn't but it doesn't negate art either, since you can have art without nudity and you can have art with nudity, Nudity and art are not mutually exclusive. It certainly wouldn't hurt any artists to expand their creativity into the realm of modesty. I think alot of people would come to perfer it if they gave it a try. I personally doubt that, since I think it would tend to stifle creativity rather than expand it. Those that did the images that are complained about probably wouldn't have any more skill at doing them with modesty either. I personally think that there is an abundance of portraits that gets very redundant since they all look the same with very little varition, but I skip over those thumbnails and don't bother to look at them in the gallery. Don't hold your breath on those ramifications, they've been beating this horse for years and they haven't got tired of it yet, it hasn't gotten up and walked in all that time.

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It seems apparent to me that nudity has stifled many artists creativity anyway.

Now we wait, children of the net. To see who first shall win the bets. how much longer t'will it be before 'Pervert' and 'Prude' are flung at thee. Berry Lucky Charms and black cherry Fresca go good together.....

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Well, thank you! But what am I being thanked for? LOL Especially in such elite company as Dr. Geep and PhilC?

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able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
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elite? ....... is that the opposite of eheavy? ;=?

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" Still waiting for the ramifications Richardson". Are you just bored? The "ramifications" are out of my hands for the most part. It just sucks seeing it coming. One voice at a time.

I'm surprised nobody has used the term "nazi" yet. according to godwin's law, this topic has been discussed here often enuff to qualify.

Miss Nancy - Oh, oh! Someone's not paying attention here. Look at post 23 again.

-- I'm not mad at you, just Westphalian.

I think the term is Hitlertarian: Yell long enough and loud enough and sooner or later you will be believed.

I must remember to remember what it was I had to remember.

We could make a film. "Bad Nudes Bares".

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Dave-so wrote. "I rather see nice perky ones covered by a thin see-through negligee ... now someone please make an artsy image of that please....but after 20,000 or so of those." You mean like this? here is your 20,001. September? No, every couple of 3 months. Now I might be wrong, but aren't a lot of the nude females done by female artists? LOL. I'm a red necked male getting on in years and I don't find anything wrong with nude anything, well almost anything. But I sure would not tell anyone that because I don't like thier style of nude, that means it's Cheep P--N and point fingers and that it should be removed/banned/place into the dark corner gallery.

ODF: "Miss Nancy - Oh, oh! Someone's not paying attention here. Look at post 23 again." Oh dear! It's the old man from Scene 23! RUN AWAY! -Python.

off to check if Netflix has any of their DVDs

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Hitlerian? O.o Draw nude Adolfs !!! :P

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I believe in freedom of expression, but a lot of the nudity here is gratuitous. I put some of the blame on the good folks at Renderosity. You Renderosity folks are promoting the porn-like images by way of your Marketplace. I can't look at any pages without seeing porn-like images or scantilly clad women. Now don't get me wrong I know a beautiful woman when I see one, but the nudity in the Marketplace is a little excessive. I would like to market some items through the Marketplace, but haven't because I would be embarrased to show others my products alongside some of the stuff in there. I also won't allow my kids to come here because of the nudity. I know I may be in the minority on this issue, but I think as stated earlier a little more modesty would go a long way in improving Renderosity. That means those of you who work here and in the Marketplace should also consider ways to clean up the marketplace, then the Galleries will clean themselves up. Well I'm done with my rant, Please don't anyone take it personally it's just my opinion. I consider all of you my fellow artist friends and I think you're all GREAT!! : )

panko "Sorry to disappoint you linda 357, but I need to remind you that Botticelli's Venus is not making dinner or ironing, neither does Goya's Naked Maya, or Renoir's Suzanna, or further back Aphrodite of Melos... :)"

Yes, panko, they do not. But they do not sit there staring at you provocatively and promising all the joys in the world if you join their company either :))) It all about attitude that the artist puts into the model. There are TONS of nude photos in Photography gallery in here which are absolutely awesome and yet do not address the instincts.

It seems that most of the artists that use boobies for the boobies sake tend to forget that a female body is not a sexual object, not ALL the time at least. Sometimes it is a source of beauty. Sometimes it is just ... a body? a tool to live with in the world? and being naked doesn't mean ONLY offering sex. Sometimes, and most of the time being nude is just being nude :) Being a woman I somehow know what I am talking about. I suppose being a man is the same way ^_^

Second skin or tiny pieces of transparent clothes over the floating breasts are not better either :) Even worse, they do not get the nudity tag and you cannot filter them out for kids not to see. Putting it this way: would one of these nude or "clothed" Poser girls fit into a family oriented magazine? Botticelli's Venus will be there pretty comfortable. And Renderosity IS a family site.

Why not getting a special "Erotic" or even "Artistic Nude", if PTB want to keep things safe, gallery in here finally and let the things sort out all by themselves?

... is there any popcorn left? I see that we are out of m&mses already :/

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It always happens: the food runs out and every body leaves. Acadia, the link was cool. Those others made me laugh. There, now I've posted in one of THESE threads TWICE and I'm off. Long live the 'floating boobs!' -Rance

Pffffffffffffffffff... the same old story @LMcLean: two points - How can I buy a texture if I can't to see it in their details? For me is important to see if it has freckles, the pubis hair shape, the nipples... I can't to see it without a full nude view - Nudity isn't evil. I allow my kids to see nudity in everywhere: their parents, our museums, etc. And they can't visit Rosity (because they don't know how to use internet - age 6 and 3), but I never will prohibit them to access a site because nudity. Another topic yes. Nudity no @linda357: just past week my son went with the school to El Prado Museum. Do you think they close the kids some zones to avoid they see nudity? Of course no, and he told me that he watched Goya's Naked Maya and still he hasn't any mental disorders because it... ;) BTW, in deviantArt there is a category called "artistic nude". For photography, 3D art, 2D paintings or anything Now we can talk about nude hamsters, or The Naked Truth, or something constructive... :P

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don't force me to post in one of these threads THRICE O_O plz! Casette, don't argue with me about the things we completely agree on :)) WHERE FROM in my post did you get the idea that all nudity has to be hidden from the eyes of the youth? Why do you make a witch-hunter out of me? I am not even Christian :( Speaking about nude hamsters I have a totally naked guinea pig walking around and I am completely comfortable with that :)) Something constructive could be asking the aforementioned category, at least for some trial time. Let the boobies fight among themselves in their natural environment :D grabs the last bag of Cheetos and runs away

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Let the boobies fight among themselves in their natural environment :D WHOAAAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ROFL AMEN TO THIS ;)

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Omnia sol temperat, purus et subtilis, novo mundo reserat faciem Aprilis, ad amorem properat animus herilis et iocundis imperat deus puerilis. Spring is here, so Nature whispers three and four letter words in our dreams. Mmmm...

By definition, the only way to have 'nudity overkill' is to find a naturist beach at the height of summer and carpet bomb it. Maybe we need a counter on the page to see how many times this thread has risen from the ashes like a psychotic phoenix. Looks to the pile of books where more cheetos are hidden and snickers

I'm gonna have to agree with Miss Nancy(post #11), clothes are such a pain, this clothing fits so and so, that fits another character, THEN for males turn the genitals off..leaving them looking like they have a vagina.
I do mostly male nudes, for that simple reason
I find it hard to believe that with all the brilliant software writers out there, that you couldn't click "conform to" and have any clothing fit any character. I don't mean wardrobe wizard, i mean included in poser. Maybe it can't be done, not sure. I hated m3, so i spent hours, stretching the arms and legs, xscaling the chest area, to get a well balanced musculature, no matter what I use no clothes will fit him, next project is to just learn and study, and make my own i guess. BUT with all that said, NOW, I completely understand why there are so many nudes posted here. OH question clothing creators......Is it not possible to leave genitals on and build the pants, shorts or what ever around them??

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I am guilty - OMG - I did it again !!!

... sorry - couldn't resist. ;) [big boobie alert!! - don't look !]

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Its ammusing to see that you can't even keep your simple minds focused on what the real issue is. I'm not going to have a battle of wits with unarmed opponenets.

Just enjoying the Vue. :0)

You missed the "real" issue in your focus on nudity, if you want more creativity and quality of images, then encourage more skill in the artists, that'll get them less redundant in all categories.

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:P @kathym, if you're old in this community, you know that to open a thread such this is like opening Pandora's Box ...

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A battle of wits kathym?? Am I to presume starting this post was an invitation to a battle of wits? This beating of a dead horse? This yet another "Really, I'm not a fascist because I don't like _______" The blank has been: Nudity, The T.O.S. and it's changes, Fairies (the kind with wings) etc... Why dear lady are you expecting a battle of wits with an extremely closed minded post in the first place? Honestly this seems to me more like a rant to see how many replies you receive to your post in order to compensate for all the gallery pics that have 1000+ hits on account the t!t$!! It's also comforting to see that you've incorporated this narrow minded view on your bio on your artist page. So the question I pose to you is that if the "ART" created by Poser users which feature nudity, large breasts etc is just "cheap p*rn" (do include myself in that catagory as I have many, many gallery images with the ol' tit's = hits thing going on) sorry back to my question, should we not have "Porno" pages rather than "Artist" pages??? So thanks for starting up yet another "controversial" post (not really controversial as it's been done so many times before) and possibly generating some hits in your own gallery. I see you have some very interesting thumbnails that look very nice, however I have a dreadfully bad taste in my mouth from your bad attitude towards your fellow Renderosity artists that is preventing me from having a looksy at this time. Maybe after the hurt feelings and pain has subsided from the blows we've all received from this post, (LOL!!!) I'll have a look then. So I suppose to be an artist again I have to jump on the ol' bandwagon of the moral right and never again produce any pron ( I spelled it that way on purpose) featuring nudity ( it was our fall from grace in the garden that made us aware of shame which prompted us to hide ourselves in leaves etc) or large breasts ( my wife was naturally an EEE cup after having our daughter) {does that make her a smutty pron 'ho if anyone takes her picture?} Sigh... I think I lost my point somewhere... To clarify: kathym, you're not having a battle of wits with anyone. This has been merely a battle of tits. If any part of ones body is "BIG" in an artistic image does that make it pron too?? I've been seriously packing on some pounds in the last couple of months and my bums gotten some junk in tha trunk action going on... LOL!!! Sadly I add yet another reply to this pathetic plea for attention post. Why not just uncheck the nudity flag and get on with your life rather than broadcast like a dying swan that you "HAD" to uncheck it as all them preverts in the gallery made ya do it! Not only are my two cents spent I think you owe me a nickle now!!! LOL!!! Gerard (fan of nudity, large breasts etc - but not pron)

The GR00VY GH0ULIE!

You are pure, you are snow
We are the useless sluts that they mould
Rock n roll is our epiphany
Culture, alienation, boredom and despair

Strange. I've readed the last post and I've seen only two words... BIG and TITS... _ roflmao

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Just wanted to show that not all my gallery pics are "pron"... sniff.... sigh...... oh the shame!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! G

The GR00VY GH0ULIE!

You are pure, you are snow
We are the useless sluts that they mould
Rock n roll is our epiphany
Culture, alienation, boredom and despair

Thanks Casette! LOL!! Way to add fuel to the fire pal!! No viva la revolution for you eh?? :) G

The GR00VY GH0ULIE!

You are pure, you are snow
We are the useless sluts that they mould
Rock n roll is our epiphany
Culture, alienation, boredom and despair

@ghelmer, translate this: TETAS PARA TODOS!! :D

(that's the revolution I say VIVA ;) ) (waiting for tomorrow's version, but post it before the eclipse) XD

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I do not think threads like this are a reaction to nudity always, but to a series of events that assualt ones state of mind at the time. I stopped viewing many galleries because of the influx of one type of image or another. (one site had an influx of LOTR Images that just got old after the 25th image of Gandalf on the bridge!) Sometimes Galleries become nothing more than flipping through a Mug Shot Book. After awhile they start to blend together as you the viewer stops seeing the uniqueness and starts seeing the simularities. Notice the generalizations posted about images in the Gallery. I have always been a proponent of limited Image Galleries for members. Each member could have only 10 images in their Gallery, (kind of like a Gallery exhibit of up and coming artists where they have to choose what images they place in the gallery.) Those images that win contests or other imagining limit events would not count towards the users total, as long as they left it in their gallery. Being named AOM would also allow you a couple extra slots to your Gallery. I wonder which 10 images some would select if that was all they could have in their gallery.

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10 images in a gallery ... now that would be a great way to do it.... I think I'll leave my nudes for the hits. One of the points I made above, which was somewhat overshadowed but for one comment which was not referencing my statement, was that of originality. I truly believe that is the essence. My images are somewhat in that vane ... I try to be original...perhaps my end result isn't up to par yet, but most is original....at least compared to the big uns with the swords, pinups, etc...although I do love to do portraits.

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i should have my head examined, since i am about to make my first post here to a thread about nudity -- a perennial favourite subject for riling the natives in any visual arts environment. hi. waves. i am not a prude (said in best richard nixon voice), but... the original post struck a chord, because i'd just been rolling my eyes at yet another nude with large breasts, this one especially eyeroll-worthy because it was offered as a "what if -- women would run the world". i barely restrained myself from commenting that if women were running the world, they'd not be going to war topless and in hotpants. and that was not actually the worst boob image of the day. so yeah, it would improve my viewing experience here if there were fewer such works of "art" present. but ya know? i am really not at all opposed to nudity. two of my favourite artists are represented on my fledgling homepage with nude images. ratscloset has hit the nail on the head: it's just the amount of bad art featuring giant boobs that overwhelms at times, and today was one of those days, which is why the original post here struck that chord. there are other things that cause an eye roll (can some people not say anything other than "fanatsic scene and excelllent!!11!11!" in their comments?), and at those moments i'd like a filter for "crap that grates on my nerves". grin. so, really -- it's a personal thing; it's about me, not about the images. as a matter of fact i like it that renderosity allows nudity, and as a new poser artist, i concur with some of the folks here who said a lot of nudity is the result of being new to this -- i have a hard enough time as yet to create a realistic pose of my own, and am currently working to understand how poser does lighting; i don't actually want to be thinking about fitting clothing yet. creating good skin is also a marvelous challenge, and one i am not familiar with, because poser is the first 3D program in which i am rendering people. i am sure my experience is not unique. my favoured solution to both, allow everyone's way of expression even if juvenile, and to spare the weary the 20,000th giant boob job, is to fix the damn filters, and to lean on people to enforce checking the box. so, to whom does one appeal for software fixes around here?

I don't do boob pics because I don't want hits based on them. If someone clicks on my image then I want to be sure that the viewer is attracted by something else than boob job :) I do pictures for myself and my own circle of friends and do not care if I get popular :) I am not an -=* Artist* =- in 3d, rather an experimenter. The only thing that amuses me about the breasticles pics is that why most of these artists do not have time to pose the eyes and tweak the expression so that vickies don't stare blankly into space, but ALWAYS have time to tweak the boob size and shape to perfection and fit these teensy weensy cloth straps over them carefully? :D Artists will never cease to amuse me be it 2D or 3D :)) Michal 4blueyes

pleonastic: well said. The only valid arguments I see are the nudity filter not working correctly and artists that do not use the nudity tag when appropriate. If you don't want to see nudity on 'rosity, you should be able to rely on the nudity filter. As long as the Renderosity TOS allow nudity, there WILL be nudity. As long as Renderosity is a hobbyist site, there WILL be "bad art" (though I'd rather call it "beginners art"). As long as there are newbies, there WILL be images with bad shadows, floating feet, and empty stares. Heck, we were all beginners once, and many of us still are (including myself). No reason to blast them - on the contrary, we should encourage newbies and give them tips on how to make better images!

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Its ammusing to see that you can't even keep your simple minds focused on what the real issue is. I'm not going to have a battle of wits with unarmed opponenets. Unarmed, indeed. bonni

"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis

So, no nudes is good nudes?

Usually a thread near 100 posts, or it's a very interesting one, or is a bunch of nonsenses... And the category of this obviously is... ... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZzzzzZZzZzzzzZZZzzzzzzzZzZzzzzzz

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I believe the word is "circular". :-D

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I'd agree with that since what svdl said in post #94 is what I said in post #16 that seems pretty circular to me. But it seems that kathym is only concerned about a certain type of nudity since she said in post #17 that she would welcome more male nudity and only objects to what she called "hormone driven artwork."

And around and around it goes, where it stops nobody knows The limited gallery idea might be a good one though, I don't actually need 260+ in my gallery except as a back up and an archive once in a while and I bet very few people ever look past the 1st page. It might improve the quality of the images uploaded if the artists had to only put the best in there. But that might not work for the new images if they just deleted some and put some others of the same type in everyday, we'd still have the same problem.

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Yes. A ten image limit makes sense. (completely ignores the original topic, since there isn't an answer for that)

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When I create the characters for my renders, can I not create them as I see fit (within TOS)? Why should you get to dictate what style is appropriate? Half the point of digital renders is that it ISN'T real and that you AREN'T constrained by reality. If I want a fantastically or comic inspired female characters in my images, then that's what goes there -- nudity or not. You are so hypocritical in that you way you'd like to see more male nudity, but no more females with big breasts, while at the same time saying "OMG there's too much nudity!!1!one". Please, get a grip and skip over the stuff you don't want to see. What's next? "zOMG! no more green skin! it's teh garbage!"

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Giolon, the pet peeve is NOT the big-breasted female nudity in the galleries. It is the obvious "I-want-huge-clicks-in-my-gallery-and-be-like-Vallejo-so-I-quickly-throw-in-badly-lit-but-huge-breasted-female-and-reap-the-fame-NOW" attitude of some artists :) Only they forget that some guys like legs! some like bootylicious gals! and some even like GASP! small breasts O_O and some like short plump women with something to hold onto on them :) Next time the fad will be rendering naked tripod alien cows and when the galleries will be full of them it will be the time to start a "Naked Alien Tripod Cow Over Kill" thread ;) Michal 4blueyes

Time for a PINK PONY revival.

Next time the fad will be rendering naked tripod alien cows and when the galleries will be full of them it will be the time to start a "Naked Alien Tripod Cow Over Kill" thread ;) I remember "overkill" threads about Koshini, fairies, Naked Vicki in a Temple With a Sword, pretty much anything. Last year, some of the Japanese content creators had an April Fool's Day game where you had to make a render using three fairly silly objects and Victoria 3, and in return you'd get a nice free gift. Many people participated, and it was really quite fun. Naturally, some people who didn't know about the game were posting to complain about all these weird pictures in the galleries... bonni

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Ah yes, the Namshie complaints. I thought they quite creative myself and it was certainly worth it to get that Wonder Woman outfit. But some didn't like it because it made her look ugly. As I mentioned there is no accounting for taste. "I-want-huge-clicks-in-my-gallery-and-be-like-Vallejo-so-I-quickly-throw-in-badly-lit-but-huge-breasted-female-and-reap-the-fame-NOW" attitude of some artists isn't that a HUGE assumption about the motives on your part? Which is partly another question of taste and partly a question of skill. As I have pointed out numerous times before, they way people seem to learn on this site is through practice and example, they see something they like in other images then they try to do it themselves through trial and error they eventually get better at doing it. The thing is that there seems to be a constant stream of people starting out doing a lot of the same things as others do when they start out so the pattern continues with a steady stream of the same kinds of images.

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Ummm.... Why would anyone care whether they had huge clicks in their gallery? Is there money involved? A contest?

Why would anyone care whether they had huge clicks in their gallery? Is there money involved? A contest? I think it's a religious thing. They believe that the more views they get, the more likely they are to go to heaven. bonni

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If you get no views, it's kind of depressing to know you put so much work into something, and nobody wants to even LOOK at it. So you look around and see what gets a lot of hits, to see what you can change to garner more interest. What's the first trend you notice? Tits = Hits. So if someone does that, so what? You have to know that female nudity is going to be more popular than male nudity. I know I'd sure rather look at some boobs than a penis.

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I think it's a religious thing. They believe that the more views they get, the more likely they are to go to heaven. LOL! That's a good one. But seriously, I think it's more like some kind of contest. I know I'm happy when I get many hits, comments or rankings (preferrably "excellent" rankings :)). It's nice to get some recognition for your work. What I've noticed, though, is that many hits does not automatically translate into many comments. So the real challenge for me is to get people to care for my images enough to actually leave comments. Personally, I do not feel that I "use" nudity to that purpose, because nekkid people (mostly women) is what I like to do, anyway. But it certainly doesn't hurt. :)

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I can see that. I feel much that way, too. I guess if I didn't have the website, I'd post all sorts of things in my gallery.

"Tits = Hits." Yes and No. My biggest hits 700/800, not much to most of you, are non-nude, but for one. I think maybe thumb presentation has a lot to do with the hits too.

As I've said before, art is individual and subjective. What one person likes, someone else doesn't. It's a unique phenomena and can't really be explained, and as the old addage states "there is no accounting for taste".

I don't believe in censorship. Censorship takes away rights. I personally don't want what I can and cannot view dictated to me by people who insist that their way is the only "right" way and can't be bothered to turn the channel, throw out the magazine or walk away.

If I don't want to look at something, I don't. I have free will and no one is making me "look" at anything I don't want to look at.

I personally don't care to look at some people's askewed views of "the ideal woman", but I don't begrudge them the right to express that view through their art.

It's easy to just skip on by, turn the channel, throw out the magazine or walk away.

This way we each have a choice... to either look or not to look. That to me is a win-win situation.

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able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Yes, indeed, artist folk are funny. Whenever I read one of these, I try to take the person at their word and assume they have no agenda other than a passion for their vision of artistic perfection. Nothing wrong with having your own esthetic, moral, religious or other viewpoint. When they start calling for purges of what they don't like though, it begins to smell less like passion and more like something else - something that would seem out of place in an "art community." But then I don't know. I'm not an artist, I just come here for the entertainment

"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H. L. Mencken

It's not just in the art community, it's everywhere.

Schools are banning classic literature from their libraries because some fanatical parents have suddenly decided that the books are "immoral" and promote "racism" etc.

Schools no longer have "Christmas Concerts", everything is "Holiday" this and "Holiday" that. They're even changing words to Christmas Carols to replace "Christmas" with "Holiday". And songs or anything to do with "Santa" is banned from many schools because he's associated with "Christmas", and "Christmas" is a bad word in schools these days.

It's to a point that it's become offensive for Christians to celebrate their major religious Holiday out in the open for fear of offending "non Christians".

Halloween is something else on the "banned" hit list. Some parents are saying that it's "Devil Worship", and many schools are now banning Halloween celebrations.

Ironically enough these same parents let their kids play ultra violent video games that are shoot/kill and/or have occult ties in them IE: Deamons, magic, necromancers etc.

Then there is "The Lord's Prayer" issue. So far as I know the only schools where I live that still have that are the private religious schools. A funny thing that while Christians can't resite "The Lord's Prayer" in public schools, students of other religions are allowed to carry/wear items pretaining to their religion in full view including a "knife" (sorry, I forgot the official name).

A couple of years ago some parents started to protest Rememberance Day events in schools. So far as I know the school districts have stood fast on that issue and continue to honour our fallen soldiers, as they should.

Instead of learning and promoting tolerance and understanding about each others' differences, fanatics are promoting censorship and then complain about racism and intolerance because they've taken away choices of our children and they don't get a chance to learn about one another in order to understand.

If I had my way I'd abolish the word "Censorship" and hand out ear plugs and blind folds at the door and tell people "You don't want to look or listen, wear these".

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This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
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Christmas? Ah, the birth of Christ, yes. Holiday, I have no idea what you are talking about. Celebrating the Almighty Dollar? Yen? Ruble, Peso? It confuses me. Getting back to the nudity issue, I'm from the Hugh Hefner generation where suductivly clothed models were the norm. Are the overly developed mammaries you see in the galleries realistic? Actually, yes, there have been some very famous strippers, names elude me, that had gigantic frontal appendages.

I must remember to remember what it was I had to remember.

Tanks for the mammaries? Sorry..... :-D

Getting back to the nudity issue, I'm from the Hugh Hefner generation where suductivly clothed models were the norm. Not only the "norm", but leaving something to the imagination is actually more sexy than blatant nudity. 8-)

steps up to Acadia's soap box >Schools no longer have "Christmas Concerts" Christmas is a Christian holiday. The schools/teachers, as representatives of the government, must remain neutral. Thus they cannot have a christian celebration. One could speculate that having a holiday celebration is merely an attempt to have a religious celebration while skirting the laws. > A funny thing that while Christians can't resite "The Lord's Prayer" in public schools If a child is stopped from reciting their prayer (regardless of what religion they are) by an official of the school then the official has violated the childs rights. If a child is made to recite a prayer by an official of the school then the official has violated the childs rights. If the child is intentionally being disruptive and asked to stop then the childs rights are not being violated. >students of other religions are allowed to carry/wear items pertaining to their religion in full view including a "knife" (sorry, I forgot the official name). It is a Sikh (name of the religion) Kirpan (name of the item) and I have read that to call it a knife is like calling a crucifix a trinket.

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Ok here you have 3 images; First is the orginal (I do love this images and I did win an contest with it :)) I don't say it is the best images, it is Just an image I like :)

This is the second images, where I have put in a nude female, just to get more views Still good? (edit for spelling and nude flag)

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The 3 images, this is how I would do an nude images if I wanted to - my male friends would love it :) (argh forgot the nude flag...again)

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Dave-so -- if you want diversity, my gallery has it. I do lots of anime, fantasy & real life (underwater, animal, etc).

Now don't get me when I post here. I'm not saying that nudity is wrong or right. However, think of the masters of art. From Michaelangelo to Vallejo & Royo, we have plenty of nudes. Nudity has never, ever been wrong. The CHURCH throughout history has had ups & downs w/this topic. At times, they were ok w/nudity. Look at the madonna statues w/nude male infant babes. At other times, they bought out the nudes & hid them away only to bring the "masters" out for display & money.

The way nudity is displayed makes it either gratuitous, blazen or very well done. Otherwise, people would say you can't render a cucumber or a summer squash w/o clothing cuz it looks like a man's you=know-what. People have their individual tastes just like history has shown, in & out of the CHURCH.

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jecnodde: I understand the point you're trying to make and I think it's a good one. Putting the figure adds nothing to the picture. Just to get hits? Fine, if that's what somebody wants, I guess it's okay. Each illustration stands on it's own merits and combining the two doesn't do a thing to advance either one. Then again, maybe it's me. Maybe I'm just too thickheaded to understand that human society has gotten so corse over the last 40 or so years that it takes something outrageous to get a response. For what it's worth, I think the unicorn piece is very well done and displays a good sense of dramatic conflict and energy in an otherwise peaceful setting. It's a piece you should be very happy with. The other piece is nice as well (by itself), but, and this is me again, I'd prefer it tell a little bit of a story. (Mind you, I do understand that it was done for illustrative purposes only.)

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***(Mind you, I do understand that it was done for illustrative purposes only.)*** Being that it means that the 2 examples weren't designed to go together. I also thought they stood well enough on their own so what point did it prove? I challenge the notion that artists use nudity to get hits, since that's sort of a chicken and egg type question, do they get hits because of the nudity, or do the artist use nudity to get the hits? In my experience of watching the images that go through the gallery is that you couldn't stop them from getting hits or votes even if you wanted to. In Febuary IgnisSerpentus and Prog stopped enabling the comments to protest the stealing one of Prog's images and the complaints about the Hot 20, it didn't stop them from getting in the Hot 20 for those images without the comments or telling people not to vote for them. (As Ringo Starr said in the "Yellow Submarine" movie "I'm a born lever-puller" when he saw a sign that said "Don't pull") A lot of people asked them to enable the comments again so they did since the protest obviously wasn't going anywhere. Just like artist are going to use nudity at every skill level and some will do it better than others. To attribute motives to them that they are just to get more viewings is forgetting that it would get viewings whether they wanted it to or not.

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i need to read your post again or twice , Argon18, but one thing I will say, the number of hits does not equate to a good piece of art, in the galleries or in the Hot 20.

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:) I post those images just to show that sometimes nudity can destroy a good image. I never post an image to get comments (exept those 3 :)) Image 1 and 3 it ok to me. But in image 2 I think there is to much nudity and it is only here that image will ever been shown. I did just post those image to show that I do understand what the starter of this topic is saying - it is not nudity itself that is the problem - it is images as image2 in my example that is the problem - where you can SEE that nudity is there just to get more views. But again this is Just my thinking. Love Jenny

But in your case that was an eample, when the 2 images clearly didn't fit together, and weren't designed to. Where is an example of an image that WAS designed to fit together and you can SEE it is there just to get views and not because of the skill level of the artist? I never said that just because an image got views or was in the Hot 20 that, it was any good. It has been proven over and over again that the Hot20 is only based on popularity, all of the complaints about the Hot20 are from people that misunderstand that fact. As for views, that's hit or miss, since I sometimes click on a thumbnail because I'm curious, not that it was a good image or not, I'm sure a lot of other people do too.

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"But in your case that was an eample, when the 2 images clearly didn't fit together, and weren't designed to. Where is an example of an image that WAS designed to fit together and you can SEE it is there just to get views and not because of the skill level of the artist?" It is just that - when you SEE that it is just get the views that is the problem, isn't it? I peronally think I can see diffrent between a good pin-up image and those "where you can see it is just there to get views" images. But then again it is just my thinking. Love Jenny

Inferred or implied? Infer is when you make the assumption that it was done to just to get views, no matter what the artist intended when they made it. Imply is when the artist either didn't have enough skill to do what they wanted and just through the nudity in there or just did it through laziness. Which is the difference and how can you tell?

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Biggest problem with the naked ladies is they don't potray much. They are there, blank stare and all. Renders to me should tell some type of story, the scene has a lot to do with why the person is nude to begin with. This goes back to the aforementioned comments about composition. Doing a good nude or portrait is actually more difficult due to the attention to detail that should be done, pose, expression, lighting, background setting.

I must remember to remember what it was I had to remember.

nickedshield, I agree with you. A good composition will tell a story. Even if it's a portrait, clothed or otherwise, it will tell a story. The devil is in the details.

And the circle of life from post #99 is still turning, since what nickedshield said in post #131 is what I said in post #7. It's not about nudity, it's about quality since all kinds of images have different skill levels. The same complaints about Nudity being all the same with very little effort put into it can be applied to a lot of portraits. It's not only the devil that's in the details, it's also the genius, since a portrait with skill at all the details will put more quality into the image that makes it more distinctive and stand out from the rest. That also applies to nudity, the amount of skill put into the image makes it different than all the others of the same theme. The thing is that level of skill is not the same for every artist and not learned overnight but through a lot of practice, trial and error. So it's no wonder that a lot of images are at different skill levels.

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I do agree with you all - what have been said in posting 131 - 133. I do belive that when an artist isn't pleased or have put their heart into it - it do show. And how can I tell? It is as when you hear a commersial made song, you can hear that there is no passion, no love no other mening behind it exept getting money. The same goes for images, I know, course I have made some images without the same passion that other of my images have, and I think it is shown when my heart is made into an image or not. The problem is that often those "having nude female to get more views" images are often making me feel that there is no passion behind them. But I also want to say I have seen some really heartbreaking images with nude female, where nudity is used as a way to tell the story. And please don't say I don't have to look at those with nudity, course there are some images that don't have any nude thumbnail, but when you click on the thumbnail, hoping to see something good, you get an great scene, good lighting, poses, yes everything, but it is damage by that nude, sexy posing female in the front of the whole scene. But then again it is my thinking :) And I think this is a great subject for discassion Love Jenny

damaged by that nude, sexy posing female in the front of the whole scene As Temperance Brennan says on the "Bones" TV show, "I don't know what that means"

If all the other elements of the image are done well, how is it damaged by a nude figure? Is it that the nude itself is technically not up to the standard of the other elements or that you discount it because it had the nude figure?

I'm frequently disappointed by the full image after looking at the thumbnail, but not because of unsuspected nudity. Because it didn't fulfill the promise of the way the thumbnail was potrayed. Message edited on: 04/01/2006 14:53

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Lol I mean when a female really dont fit in to the scene - as in my image nr2 :) Nothing more or less - when an female really dont look like it belong in the image :) Comeon if I made an thumbnail of the image nr 2, with just an unicorn head, then when you clicked on the thumbnail, you get the image nr2, wouldn't you feel a little bit disepointed and think the scene is damage by the nude, sexy posing female in the front? It could be a boat, a car or whatever that looks like it don't fit, but MOST time it is uselly that nude female that looks like it have been put into the images just to get more views. I like nudity when it looks good :) not when it looks like it have been put in there as a way to attrack more viewers. Not the nudity, ok? - I'm talking about it used as an way of getting more views got that? But then on the other hand every artist have the right to do what they want -I just don't have to like it? "As Temperance Brennan says on the "Bones" TV show, "I don't know what that means" " Ok, I live in Sweden, don't know that show is it good? Love Jenny (Oh this is getting more fun, I'm really getting under your skin Argon18? :) And even if you don't agree with me, you have to admit you also like an good discussion.)

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If you're talking about composition then, I'm not sure I've seen hardly any of the kind you mentioned in the gallery. Could you give an example of what you mean of an image that was supposed to be complete, but has a nude figure in it that doesn't fit the composition, the one you gave earlier wasn't supposed to be a good composition right? I have seen a lot of the reverse, where the thumbnail has nudity in it, but the full sized image doesn't. That's what the con men call the "bait and switch" I'd agree with that being a very dishonest way to get more views, but it only works once by each artist since you tend not to want to trust them to fall for it twice. It's a futile attempt by artists with little skill to grab more attention than they deserve Why else would we post in the forum if we didn't like a good discussion, pray tell? A lot don't seem to know how far to take one or when they lost the focus of one, but that usually happens over emotionally charged issues. Yes "Bones" is a good show about an Federal Law Enforcement Agent (played by David Boreanaz) and a forensic anthropologist (played by Emily Deschanel) team up to solve crimes, they have a good chemistry together and the plots are suspenseful with the way they catch the killers.

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"Could you give an example of what you mean of an image that was supposed to be complete, but has a nude figure in it that doesn't fit the composition, the one you gave earlier wasn't supposed to be a good composition right?" No I can, But I will not -course I don't want to "hang" the artist. And the thing is, I could have posted my image2, with the nude woman, and some would think it is good. "If you're talking about composition then, I'm not sure I've seen hardly any of the kind you mentioned in the gallery." It can might be me having high demands on things... I have allways know what I like and dislike. :) "I have seen a lot of the reverse, where the thumbnail has nudity in it, but the full sized image doesn't." It is also bad "Why else would we post in the forum if we didn't like a good discussion, pray tell? A lot don't seem to know how far to take one or when they lost the focus of one, but that usually happens over emotionally charged issues." So true - and why is is so important to "win"? I mean don't we discusse just for the joy of telling ower own oppinion? I just love to discusse, to me it is never matter if I win or lose - hey I can even switch side just to keep the discussion alive :) Anyway I still don't like to see images where you get the felling that the nude woman is there just to get more views. But then again it is just how I feel, it doesn't make it wrong, bad or right. (Then I have allways wondering why female warrior dont't have anything on their bodys, I mean if I was a warrior I would wear so good armor I could without it stoping my moment...hmmm but when I think about it I would rather be an acher, standing behind all those in big armory and shoting my arrows at the enimy) "Yes "Bones" is a good show about an Federal Law Enforcement Agent (played by David Boreanaz) and a forensic anthropologist (played by Emily Deschanel) team up to solve crimes, they have a good chemistry together and the plots are suspenseful with the way they catch the killers." Mmm that sounds familier, I wonder if it is not shown on Swedish tv under another name. Or I have seen some commeriell about it. Love Jenny

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I beg to differ on that. I have read all of Kathy Kathy Reiche's books and I was quite eager to to watch this show based on her books. However, I was sorely disappointed. The actress in the lead role is a terrible actress. In addition to that she's much to young to be believable in a such a role. Also, in the books "Bones" is right in there down in the dirt retrieving her own skeletons/remains, not standing, looking for 10 seconds and telling others to "bag 'em". I'm surprised that the show was renewed actually. I recommend the books, but stay away from the show.

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I guess there are examples of the kind of poor composition you're talking about in the gallery, but from what the artist said in the description ***"just playing around with the figures"*** I doubt it was trying to get more views, it was more about laziness of slapping the figures haphazardly on a backround. You might SEE that kind of thing in the gallery, but I'd be willing to bet that it was more about a lack of attention to details or skill than an attempt to garner more views from it. I first started watching "Bones" because I had been a fan of the show "Angel" and David Boreanaz was in both of them and I liked the banter between them. If you're a fan of the books, then the TV is rarely any comparison. It usually take the resources of a major motion picture like with LOTR or Chronicles of Narnia to do any justice to them and even that is iffy to make sure it's done right, so I wouldn't expect it with the pressures of an ongoing TV series.

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Can anyone tell me how I can set my filter so that I see ONLY nudes?  That's what I'd like.  GIVE ME ALL THE NUDES YOU CAN!!!!!

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That's not a bad idea, that way you wouldn't have to wade through all the other crap on the site right? Since they want to complain about the opposite, you can do the same.

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I genuinely believe that the nude human form, in all its aspects, is a work of art unto itself.  The creator of all life did not create things ugly!  Ugly, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.  The only art I dislike aare those depicting pain and torture, but even those have their aficionados.
 I am not so great and gross in my ego that I would dare to presume to judge the taste of others.
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I'd like to note that I did not post that naked female image in my post above!!!! LOL 

If I were going to post a naked picture, it would likely be a gorgeous "bad boy", man hunk!!!!!!!!!   :blushing:

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**jecnodde posted the nude.  The picture's been carried over into every other post since then by the Brave New Forum's impeccable software.  The same software that periodically freezes my browser, something that's never happened with me with the old Forum, or any other forum for that matter.  Something's Rotten With the State of Denmark... and it ain't my Mozilla browser. David P. Hoadley

P.S. Here's a better looking Nude, Ghoulish eyes and all!
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Guys, now that my ebots looks like they are working ok again, I'm a little amazed you still are talking about the same bored thing... You like nudity? WATCH IT !! You dislike it ? DON'T SEE IT !! But conversations about all the same are boreD... humans was in the trees only 10.000 years ago, we have a INSTINCTIVE CONDITIONING to nudity and signals coming from private parts. Read Desmond Morris

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ME TOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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"Read Desmond Morris"

Personally, I prefer D. H. Lawrence.

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Well Desmond Morris only put it from a zoological perspective, it's fine as long as you only look at those aspects and are bound by instinctual conditioning and the opposing view is held by many with the repressed puritanical conditioning.

It has long been my view that  it is only a small part of the potential of the human race, that we are a lot more than just Naked Apes, more like Naked Angels, caught between one stage and on the way to evolving to another.

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I prefer the lyricism of D. H. Lawrence, especially the scene on the forest floor where  Oliver Mellors impregnates Constance Chatterley.  The poetic passion of that one scene is worth the whole book.
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If the nudity is no big deal, why do most of the images have the women fondling their nipples? Making sure they're still attached?

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Of course, why else?!  Or maybe they just enjoy relishing in the pure beauty of being alive, and realizing their own physical vitality.
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Oh goodness!!!

Nudity is allowed here?!?

Some people have problems...

Not me!  My only problem is that there's not enough of it!  More!  More, I'm still not satisfied!  Give me more!  Postcards, murals,...Stain Glass Windows!
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Quote - If the nudity is no big deal, why do most of the images have the women fondling their nipples? Making sure they're still attached?

What do you mean by "most?" I've only seen that in less than 10% of the images that have nudity. More of them have poses with the arms at the sides or over the heads than on the nipples. I'm not sure where you got that idea, but maybe Desmond Morris would explain it

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And will somebody PLEEEEEASE tell me how I can set my filter so that I see ONLY nudity?!?!?!
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Nudity Over Kill

I know all three of those words but it just doesn't make sense.

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I know all three of those words but it just doesn't make sense.

Nor did the initial first post of this thread!!  LOL!!!   

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Well it's like the double standard they have between male and female nudity, I doubt they'll do anything about seeing only nudity as opposed to seeing none. You have to weed out the crap in both cases.

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I know all three of those words but it just doesn't make sense.

Nor did the initial first post of this thread!!  LOL!!!   

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 Thanks ebots for resurecting this!!!  :tongue1:

That's the reason this thread keeps going around in circles because it's based on  faulty assumptions. It's not supposed to make sense, just a place for venting displeasure of personal opinions.

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