The poser forum is becomeing flooded with freebie site links, and it's become spam. I already get email telling me I;m fat, need breast implants, a penis implant, to take the blue pill, and that I win gift certs for beer, etc. I like the poser forum for well, errr to talk about the program, not where the latest freebie is. Can't we just throw those in Product Showcase.

I hope not! I like the freebie alerts, if they were in the product showcase I would never see them, because I never go there.

I think there should be a FreeBee showcase galery.... Or at least and that i like even more an Poser/other freebee genre in the image upload section And why not show a freebee here there is NO otherplace to talk about it. Chris

Not used anymore

I second lesbentley. I appreciate the generosity of others but I never go to the product showcase since I don't so beta testing. I definitely do not consider these postings to be spam and definitely not on the same level as the types of e-mail listed above. Would it help if the subject line has "Freebie Alert" so you wouldn't have to read it unless you were interested?

Product showcase forum is for things on which people try to earn money. Freebie links are posted by people who want to show what they have found for Poser and want to share it with others. Noone earns money on posting a freebie link so it is very incorrect to compare it to spam. I have created my Runtime this way when I was a beginner in Poser. It is really hard to search internet for free stuff when you are new to all this or want to save money. I am very grateful for the ones who posted the links in here or on many other sites because I would be completely unable to find the items on my own. kitty5

www.Bucketload3d.com - where cool freebies are ~(==^..^)

my vote would be to leave the freebie links here, since I'd miss 'em otherwise. it's up to them if they want to leave the promos here, but since nobody's forcing me to click on those threads, they don't bother me. I think you'll find that the promos tend to show up on week-ends, when the mods may be allowed to take the day off. at least I hope they don't make the mods work 24/7 - that would be a real bummer IMVHO.

I agree with Lesbentley... part of the community is about people saying, 'hey, I found this great site, look what it has to offer!' While I admit, some of Acadia's posts could perhaps be sent out in digest form ('here's the sites I found today', kinda thing), she has uncovered some fantastic pieces that I hadn't even realised existed. I never go over to Product Showcase, so moving these over to that forum would be counter-productive to me - I'd have to wade through a second forum just to find these nuggets out. jonthecelt

Actually this is interesting. The whole reason for Product Showcase was to reduce the commecial spam flooding the forum. I actually like this idea. We know people are spamming the forum and finding workarounds. Perhaps rename Product Showcase to "Content Showcase. This would give merchants more traffic there. This forum really shoyld be about software and less of the "where can I find" and promotional stuff.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

How about adding a link in the Poser Forum header. Its already got Featured Freebie artist/provider, and Special Notices. I checked and I had 99 active threads of which only 10 were related to poser or questions regarding use of poser. The rest were "Where can I find a free..", "look at this link" (for a poser store), "Latest freebie.." (lead to store front), "Interesting link.." (had to register to read link). It's getting really wacky.

Maybe it is a good idea to prohibit Off Topic threads too then? there are preatty many of them recently. It is community, not a Poser class room only forum. kitty5

www.Bucketload3d.com - where cool freebies are ~(==^..^)

I prefer to find everything Poser-related in one forum. It's not that difficult to scan the subject lines to determine which threads I want to read. Also I can open up a new thread in a new window using my context menu, something I can't do if I'm having to hassle with those drop down menu's. I don't like having to open up a bunch of forums. Frankly I didn't even mind when new products were announced in this forum. Once again, it's easy to scan through the thread titles.

Before they made me they broke the mold!
http://home.roadrunner.com/~kflach/

Perhaps we should just stop making freebies alltogether since it apparently bother some people to even know about them?

lets go the whole hog. 1 forum for poser. 1 for asking about texturing. 1 for rigging, 1 for modeling, 1 for rendering and rendersetups, 1 for how do I make big tits on vicky..... it's getting stupid. it's fine how it is now.. the links ain't hurting anyone are they? hmm? and it's been the same for years ppl.... so if it ain't broken.. anyway.. in 3 days time, we're having a shiney new forum.....

You all have to admit that there has indeed been freebie spam. You cannot pretend not to have noticed it. :)

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

I, for one, STRONGLY disagree with this! The Product forum is for more than just Poser products and shouldn't be used as another Poser Forum. On this site there is already, this forum for General Poser discussions, a catagory that I feel covers freebies. If you want to talk about the program there already is a Poser Technical forum and a Poser Python forum. If you want to cut down on bandwith start moving all technical discussions the the appropriate forum and all python discussions to teh forum set up for that. Actually ist only fair to move those discussions as rapidly as "commercials" are moved to the Product showcase. mike

erm No. it's freebies. calling it spam is actually ungrateful to those making freebies. shall we just round up the freebie makers and kick them a few times for daring to tell the rest of us about the freestuff? ye gods. we should be GRATEFUL for the freestuff, not whining and complaining. its true what ppl have been saying. ppl will complain about freebies. for shame....

I don't see how freebies can ever be spam

Well.. Except... of course...

...my can of spam...

byAnton, if you are talking about Acadia's threads I'd like to tell you that even I (a Poserite with a degree in tutorials and freebies searching) have found something new and interesting for me :) kitty5

www.Bucketload3d.com - where cool freebies are ~(==^..^)

lol. So dramatic. Weren't Contests already moved out of this forum for the saame reason? I personally don't care. I just don't see the difference between 20 posts about a product and 20 posts about freebies on sites with products. I think it is more about those abusing the loopholes.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

Well ACadia is a posting force unto herself. But no I wasn't refering to her. :) I do think the question Machine Claw raised is interesting regardless. Only Rendo makes the decisions so it doesn't matter what we say anyway. Does make for an interesting topic.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

nope. contests where moved cos of legal reasons... (state laws where Rendo is based - not because of complaints about them being in this forum)

I get it. Next time I decide to make for free stuff that will cost me time AND money (site maintenance and the like cost, you know?) I will secure myself by NOT posting the link to it here or anywhere else. People are psychic, they will get my brainwaves if they want to get my freebies. Oh, wait, what if someone who doesn't want to know about this will get my brainwaves? It will be spam too! what to do? what to do? ... :) I am joking :) Michal 4blueyes

it's obivous ;) we have to stop making freebies and charge for everything. ... this post cost you $5 to read. please make payment to...

Why would you not post the link?

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

cos the link ain't wanted. (point of the thread ya know)

"Why would you not post the link?" because there are banners for my products in RMP on the pages with freebies? And it can be looked at as "abusing the loopholes" and hidden advertising? Michal 4blueyes

lol khai, It's obvious ;) We have to make the post seem like it is about not making freebies or posting them to get everyone upset and outraged. ... this post cost you common sense.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

naw atm I'm frantically trying to fix my system, so I'm a little distracted. (strange stutters, unable to save anything in Firefox, mouse freezes, taking 2 minutes to hide a layer in Photoshop (as in clicking the layer did nothing for 2 minutes.. same thing in other programs etc)) so you'll have to excuse my common sense, it's frantically running virus checks, Spyware checks and hardware checks...

Been getting spam lately to, although Norton is able to single them out. Today, got an email regarding "Viagra" and other stuff.

oO

"That which doesn't kill you is probably re-loading"

110% agree with Bobasaur (post #11) Hyper deviding subjects and content also devides the energy and vibrancy of what is now jokeingly called 'communtity'. In the vain hope that other software will expand and fill in the gaps. That Poser will be less of a force on this site. NOT going to happen. Nuttin but a glorified look-up table. And to the admins. When you devided the community functions, eliminated OT subjects, removed faries and harmless nudity. YOU were listening to the Conservative Right. Look how well THAT turned out for the nation.

I just knew someone would jump in here with the Ungrateful song. Hey, it's nice that you freebie providers give away stuff. But your most important motivation should be the satisfaction of giving.... with no strings attached. It's been years since I've found any freebies worth collecting.. But I know what it's like when people get started and can't afford to buy things. I don't see anything wrong with announcements about Freebies. I don't see this as spam. I'm not a F**king Ungrateful Bastard. But I won't kiss your feet either.

DAMN! lots of posts. Okay 1st off.....I am NOT bashing content creators, or freebie makers, or for sale makers. Re-read my post. It is about posting the links to freebies over and over again. her's a texture, another thread here's another texture, again again again. announcments of sales at sites, which is marketing plain an simple even if not done BY the company or site. OT threads were not supposed to be posted in the Poser Forum, few years now, they were supposed to be in the Community Forum. There is a Forum that currently exists for textures. There is a Poser Technical forum currently. There is currenly a FreeStuff section of the site with a search engine for freebies. It is clear SPAM when a broker who has a site with a store posts about a freebie with a link that does not go to the freebie, but instead goes straight to the store. Again, 2 years ago the "rules" were that the link had to GO to the freebie in question. Sites where you had to register to get to a post, thread, or freebie were told to be noted in the thread. I'm sorry if I've steped on toes with the topic, but there are or WERE guidlines about posting and what was exceptable, and the Poser Forum Moderators were to monitor and move threads. Seems like moderators are title only and it's a free for all in the Poser Forum.

Where did anyone sing an "ungrateful" song? I looked but I couldn't find it? I'm with 4BluEyes.. Let's just hope people are psychic then. Personally I never go to Product Showcase. I browse the What's New in the Marketplace if Iw ant to buy something... But freebies? That's another matter. IMO they don't belong in Product Showcase, and if they were moved there, I probably WOULD resort to either stop making freebies, or hope for people to be psychic.

and I'm really sorry but I just have to say it.

Poser is not about freebies and freestuff.

I read the Poser Forum to read about others that enjoy, need help with and are creating art with a program called poser.

I did not buy Poser to get freebie's. That was a by product of the community.

MachineClaw

"Reject The Refit",
"There is no Freebie Button in Poser",
"There is No Make Art Button in Poser"
and you can quote me on that.

Message edited on: 03/31/2006 14:49

I'm sorry if I've steped on toes with the topic, but there are or WERE guidlines about posting and what was exceptable, and the Poser Forum Moderators were to monitor and move threads. Seems like moderators are title only and it's a free for all in the Poser Forum. Yes, there are rules. We follow them. Rules change. For example, the "No OT posts" rule was relaxed around 2 years ago, at the request of the majority of forum posters. The "Freebie links must to to the page in question" rule is for the Freestuff section. Not for links posted in the forum (which I would guess 95% of the time adhere to this rule anyway.) The "If you need to register then it should say" rule is again for the Freestuff section. Since the vast majority of posts with links to freebies clearly state in the title "new freebie available" or whatnot, I'm not really seeing where the problem lies. Additionally, since not all freebies are submitted by their creators to the Renderosity freestuff, we would tend to view the posts as useful to the community, and not a duplication of information. Sale announcements for other sites we have to look at on a case by case basis. Otherwise we reach the point where we have to move every post that speculates on the future of Poser 7 or talks about new rigging methods for characters in development, into the Showcase forum. If a merchant takes advantage to post several promo pics and "advertorial" text, then it will get moved to showcase. I cannot see us opening a "freebie forum" since we already have the freestuff section. The only sites I see with this type of forum are those which don't have a freestuff section for members to post to. Karen Poser Mod

"you are terrifying
and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan Shire

i like pie... drac

Browsing through forums I usually find only a thread or two for an entire page that attract my attention and are at least somehow useful to me. All the rest I usually ignore :)

MachineClaw, I am sorry to repeat myself but ... not everyone is willing to be happy with the content that Poser comes with. And not everyone can afford buying content in the stores.

And without content - what is Poser? If I had to be limited to Don and Judy and untextured Milfolk I would find myself in a really pitiful situation about my Poser development.

So how Poser can be not about free stuff?

kitty5

www.Bucketload3d.com - where cool freebies are ~(==^..^)

"It is clear SPAM when a broker who has a site with a store posts about a freebie with a link that does not go to the freebie, but instead goes straight to the store." I can understand this, although I also understand that some people use "shopping cart" technology to deliver their freebies. From a site construction standpoint that makes sense for them - use one means to make everything available. It's annoying at times (I don't even like doing it at DAZ) but I can live with it. And I don't think at all anyone's bashing freebie makers. I think some people are focused in what they want to read in a forum and want to eliminate things that distract from that. I understand. That's not illegal, immoral, or fattening - there's nothing wrong with it. It's just different from the way I like to do things. I like the variety all conveniently packed into one forum. I never know when something will come up that I never would have thought to look for somewhere else. I like that - it keeps things fresh and exciting. For me. ;-)

Before they made me they broke the mold!
http://home.roadrunner.com/~kflach/

I don't see any problem in posting a link to a freebie, but I do think that the said link should be required to take you directly to that freebie. I get sick of ending up at sites where I have to search (sometimes in vain) to find the damn thing I went there for. And I do think that it can sometimes be a ploy to get you into a marketplace surrepticiously (sp?).

PoserPro2014(Sr4), Win7 x64, display units set to inches.

www.danielroseartnew.weebly.com

Look, it isn't spam. Spam is when people are trying to sell you stuff. This is useful information, and I for one appreciate it. It fact, heads-up messages for interesting freebies is one of the main reasons I so frequently peruse this forum.

"And without content - what is Poser? If I had to be limited to Don and Judy and untextured Milfolk I would find myself in a really pitiful situation about my Poser development. So how Poser can be not about free stuff?" Freebie's do not make people better artists, learning and using the software does. By the same token a millionaire who buys content isn't better than someone that uses freebies to do their art. There is an unspoken aire in Poserdom that I'm sure brokers wish they could speak ourtright.....they wish freebies would disapear cause it hurts sales. I'll take it futher, I think freebies have hurt poser because it's not about learning the software anymore it's about getting stuff and pressing a render button. NVIATWAS is a term in Poserdom that used to be a funny, now it's the norm. I'm just finding it much harder to find people that know and answer software related questions to posts and more and more about the latest freebie and site sale. Let the flooding spam continue, seems what the masses want, let them get a freebie cake and render.

ach cheerup will ya. your're acting someone stole your car... your're outvoted thats all.. it happens.

Well I am in total agreement with bringing back naked faeries.

I like freebies even though i don't downlaod them. They are fun to hear about and look at. The do think the Poser forum has gravitated into more of a "where can I find" search mechanism and less about education. I think no matter what rules you end up with people always find ways to abuse it or find loopholes. A good example of this are the "On sale this week at...." posts. With the dozens of newsletters every week I am not sure we really need constant sale announcements in the forum. I just skip post I don't want to read but it is a bit like someone who won't stop ringing your doorbell.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

I like to hear about freebies in the poser forum :)

"There is an unspoken aire in Poserdom that I'm sure brokers wish they could speak ourtright.....they wish freebies would disapear cause it hurts sales." I am a merchant. And I don't think this at all. Freebees do many different things. -They allow us to give samples so you the customer can see our skills. -They let us give away some really nice things that may be a bit to poly heavy, or too small quanity to a make good size store product. A problem now with products is to many products by new ppl and not enought freebees. -They let ppl learn how to model and texture BEFORE they become merchants. -They allow you to participate in the Poser Community. All of these make Poser more popular and by extension expand the market.

I kinda giggled that you put BEFORE in caps. :) I hear ya on that one.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

"I'm just finding it much harder to find people that know and answer software related questions"

huh. i am new to this forum (and to poser) but a net veteran, and i've been impressed by how quickly people are answering software (and other) questions here! yes, there are a lot of freebie links, but they just require a little scrolling if i am not interested in the freebie in question -- same as any other short thread for which i have no use.

threads with complaints about some aspect of this site, on the other hand, grow to much greater proportions, and require more scrolling. :)

i find the forum setup itself terribly antiquated and cumbersome for finding specific things -- but as i've just read, that will change soon. i don't know exactly what the new forums will look like, but i strongly suspect that they will solve most of the problem you have with "spam" here (aside: i really dislike it when people misuse terms -- spam is unsolicited BULK mail/posts; the freebie posts are neither). because in all the modern board systems, the comments are not linearly appended as they are here, but you have to click on the subject to get to the discussion. much less scrolling, and easier selectivity for what you choose to read. then folks will probably end up complaining about people picking bad subject lines. wry grin.

I also like to hear about freebies (scratch that - I LOVE to hear about freebies), and yes, even about sales, special events/promotions, and news and gossip. Renderosity's Poser forum is my nexus to everything going on in the world of Poser. I hope that doesn't change. :)

"You don't know what we can see
Why don't you tell your dreams to me
Fantasy will set you free." - Steppenwolf

Someone stated that the freebies are why we have so many NVIATWAS. Without freebies, I think we would just have a lot of NV without swords floating in front of a grey background :-) At least the freebies provide some clothes for the poor girl--whether they get used or not. I'm also grateful for the "special sale" over at store X messages. Because I get so much Spam e-mail, I have my filters set really tight and sometimes special vendor announcements get lost in among the real spam in my "bulk" folder. There are a lot of one-day-only sale items I would have missed without the heads-up messages in this forum.

MachineClaw... what's the difference in justifaction between a user coming online and posting 'where can I find... (insert model/content type here)', and 'how do I... (insert method here)'? Both can be seen as someone wanting to take the 'easy way out' - relying on another person's expertise and knowledge in order to get to their own end product all the sooner. Of COURSE Poser is about content, be it sold or free - since Poser has no (real) modelling capabilities, you have to import the content from elsewhere. And unless you expect evryone who uses Poser to come from amodelling background, then there's going to be a market for selling the pieces you make. And if you have a market place, then there are goign to be those who choose to give their goods away for free, instead of selling - whatever their motivations for doing so may be. Similarly, we could all start from square one, armed only with the Poser reference and tutorial manual, ignore the forums and community completely, and try to work out exactly what evry single possible node, button, dial and menu item in the program does all by ourselves. Or, we oculd come here, ask people who might have trodden the same ground as us before if they have the answers, and learn from their experiences. As Isaac Newton once said, 'We stand on the shoulders of giants'. We all take advantage of those who have gone before us - whether it be in terms of content, or workflow. Sure, we could just take models, textures, lighting sets, and so on that other people have done before, throw them together randomly, hit render and present it to the public. And some people do. But we can also take those things, try them out in new combinations, take them apart to see exactly how people did what they did, and then try and improve ourselves, tweaking a pose here or light setting there - hell, maybe even beginning to use procedural nodes! Poser is what you make of it. And as you said yourself, the price you pay for content does not necessarily dictate the quality of the finished result. I'm stopping, now, because I'm in danger of continuing to wax lyrical on this vein for a VERY long time indeed. jonthecelt

Shrug. k. it's all good in the hood. Next week the forums are going to change anyway. we will have avatars and lots of new learning and CHANGE. I know how the poser "community" loves CHANGE. Incase you have NO clue what I'm talking about, check the Community Center forum woohooo scary forum you may not have gone into before. Site is changing the software used for Forums at Renderosty, sounds like it will be more like Daz and PoserPros now, guess we wait and see.

I just googled "Spam" amdchecked Dictionary.com The defination is broad. I think we all do know exactly what MachineClaw is talkingabout. I think he is (and I apologize if I am speaking for him) referring to the marketing ploy freebie posts. I play this MMP game (DAoC) and peole are always selling and giving stuff away, but it is generally discourages in certain chat channels because you can't read through all the announcements. They call it Spam. So I can see it's use here too. I think as years go buy everyone has dofferent ideas on what they want. I think all of us have felt tired of the manipulation and spam scams after awhile.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

Hmm... ...'I know how the poser "community" loves CHANGE. Incase you have NO clue what I'm talking about, check the Community Center forum woohooo scary forum you may not have gone into before. '... MachineClaw, if you checked this forum as often as you seem to, you'd know that every forum has been informed of this, as well as it being on the front page. Why do you seem to be attacking this area now, with your "community" comments and 'woohoo scary forum' stuff? That's just uncharitable. jonthecelt

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/index.ez?viewStory=13011

Here is a link to the Forum Software change. MachineClaw ----------- "The lazy man shoots the guy that caught all the fish to feed himself"

jon, I couldn't SEE that post in the poser forum through all the stuff I'm talking about in this here thread. It's kinda why I posted this thread, cause I'm missing stuff by skipping over so many threads, what I call SPAM. Before anybody says I need new glasses or learn to read, I waded through 100+ posts with responces on multiple pages. Not mad, not angry, not even really up on a soapbox, just an observation that I have made that from the views here in this thead are no shared. tis all good.

I missed that annoucement. I knew it was coming but didn't see it. The avatars sound cool. Kidna exciting to have new features to play with. I am sure there will be the Normal "I hate it change it back" threads. That is normal. Off to read the announcement again properly.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

Yeah, I've found that, on average, about 50 new posts are added each day to the Poser forum alone. Most of them have no relveance to me - they're questions I can't answer, art I have no interest in, freebies that I have no need for - but I read them anyway. It takes maybe forty minutes of my time each day. But it's not difficult to begin to skim over them, if you want to. If you don't like freebie links, ten avoid anything with 'freebie' in the title, for example. I'm surprised you missed the forum thread regarding the change, since the title was 'Forum Conversion - Monday, April 3rd': I won't make any comments on your ablity to read, or your eyesight, however. And yes, it does appear that not everyone here shares your opinion, MachineClaw. However, that still doesn't seem fair to begin talking in desultory tersm about our "community" that seems to be scared of forums other than this one. jonthecelt

There is an unspoken aire in Poserdom that I'm sure brokers wish they could speak ourtright.....they wish freebies would disapear cause it hurts sales. What a load of crap. I know tons of merchants/brokers and not a one agree's with that statement. You'll actually find that most don't make free stuff because they just don't have time. Poser consumers are MUCH more demanding than they were a few years ago, and Poser content, on average, takes at least 3 times longer than it used to. (remember back when their were not mat files, no jcm, no fbm, poke thru wasn't a 'drama', textures where just flood fills of a nice pattern, etc)

Attached Link: Free Tutorials :)

Oh I have heard what he is talking about. Actually I have heard that sentiment from several so it really isn't fair slam him on that.

Anyway.

OT: A fun feature in the new forum would be a topic meter. Are we going to reach Kill mode by post 100?

Message edited on: 03/31/2006 17:59

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

By gosh, how long can it possibly take you to skip over the headlines that announce a freebie? Nobody FORCES you to read them all!

L'ultima fòrza è nella morte.

Someone stated that the freebies are why we have so many NVIATWAS. Without freebies, I think we would just have a lot of NV without swords floating in front of a grey background :-) At least the freebies provide some clothes for the poor girl--whether they get used or not. Bons mots of the week, pigfish9! You have distilled the issue to its essence. -------------------------------- Brief Tutorial: Subject Line Filtering Tags OT: My back hurts! FREE-B: My Back Hurts Poses! -Site Link- PROMO: Sale at my Bach Ache for Miki Store! POMO: No Soap Radio! PSYCHO: No one has mentioned my back in a post for the last 36 hours! and... FLAME TARGET: Grover Cleavland was the hotest US President ever!

I may be thinking of someone else, but is this the same Machine Claw that thinks rules will kill forums? (c; ?:

ratscloset
aka John

lol we are almost there. :)

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

Anyone still has LittleDragon's old topic meter?

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

It makes me more than a little upset that you lump us free stuff providers into the same category as people who send spam messages about "breast implants, a penis implant, to take the blue pill". We take our time to make something that we think everyone will enjoy and then we post a message telling everyone where they can get it for FREE, at no cost them. And now we're being compared to spammers. And I thought not receiving a "thank you" was bad. This is just a slap in the face. --John

VanishingPoint... Advanced 3D Modeling Solutions

Are you quoting VanishingPoint? Or are you Vanishing pont? There was an earlier post that said the same thing?

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

Well I'm outta this thread it's going down hill fast! How do I stop the dozens of ebots on it... you know the ones with the Renderosity ads about the "My services side bar" at the bottom? mike

"How do I stop the dozens of ebots on it... :<< You just don't come back. You only get ebots if you keep returning.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

Okay...anyone who has "already" posted, and is NOT a part of a store please raise your hand. :)

Attached Link: freestuff :P

I dont visit the freestuff area so this forum is the only place I'll see any freebies that are posted. I post my freebies in this forum to target the people that will use them,instead of the horders who download anything & everything from freestuff & never use any of it. Cheers Stefan

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Are you quoting VanishingPoint? Or are you Vanishing pont? I deleted the earlier post because the message was supposed to be posted under my account as my opinion, not the opinion of the Vanishing Point company. :) Anyway, back to the point: Okay...anyone who has "already" posted, and is NOT a part of a store please raise your hand. Okay, just so I'm straight- you don't want merchants to post free items? Or are merchants allowed to post free items, but can't talk about them because talking about free items is "spam"? --John

VanishingPoint... Advanced 3D Modeling Solutions

editting for typos:

I see. I don't aways know who everyone is. Keeping track of male and female is hard enough :)

I think what MachineClaw is referring to, by the title and what he has writtent, (and again I do not mean to speak for him), are those posts that are not really about freebies, but rather using freebies as an excuse to lead traffic to a store, with the hope and intention that they might buy something while they are there, and that those post might be becoming so frequent and numerous that it might be harder to read the other posts (over-advertised).

lol But I don't want to put words in his mouth. (Sorry MachineClaw)Just how I read it.

I don;t think he is against merchants, freebies, or anyone and just sharing a point of view like when people say there is too much nudity, etc (maybe bad example)

Message edited on: 03/31/2006 21:47

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

I'm just trying to find the part that says you have to pay attention to 'spam' posts, etc..;) When I first got here ('01), there were so many Poser posts that it ran to 4 new pages a day. As the years went by, I'd copy down URL's, etc., download freebies, and haven't had a moment's regret (except when I first started..;) OT posts? Heck, sonny boy, I remember when we had an OT Forum!..;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)

Complaint and Debate.... remeber that one. lol Wow. hehe.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

"Okay...anyone who has "already" posted, and is NOT a part of a store please raise your hand." I'm not a part of any store anywhere in any industry. My stuff is so bad I can't even give it away.

Before they made me they broke the mold!
http://home.roadrunner.com/~kflach/

((Okay...anyone who has "already" posted, and is NOT a part of a store please raise your hand.)) I'm not a merchant and have no affiliation with any of the stores.

"You don't know what we can see
Why don't you tell your dreams to me
Fantasy will set you free." - Steppenwolf

I have found many a good freebie from scanning this forum and I greatly appreciate each and every one. Maybe it's just because of my upbringing, but it just seems rude to lump the good people who provide us with freebies in with those who IMHO equate to snake oil salesmen. Also...... I do wonder if Poser has nothing to do with rendering, then why all the clammering for a better render engine each time a new release comes out? Don't we learn about the software in order to produce better images/animations? If not, then what's the point?

Well sheesh. Spam?

I spend loads of time searching for free items within the poser community for myself to use, or helping others find what they are looking for.

I thought I was helping this community by sharing a FEW of the links that I find. Yes, only a few because the ratio of links I post to those I actually comb through is about 1:10 if not less.

I can't texture, I don't know how to model. I thought I was helping give back to the community that has given me so much help and encouragement. Guess not.

I'm sorry to hear that some of you consider my trying to help all of you out in my own small way as being "spamming".

I won't bother posting freebie links anymore.

Sorry to those who have enjoyed my findings over the past months, but I am hurt and saddened that my meager efforts to give something back to this community has been annoying and considered "spam".

Message edited on: 03/31/2006 23:30

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

APRIL FOOLS!!! GOTCHA! :) Anton you win couldn't get the thread to 100 posts in 12 hours. I love freebies as much as the next person.

Good try. Yeah I was worried there but 82 isn't bad. I even was worried when the Daz sues e-frontier popped up early as well. Only copyright can get to 100 in 12 hours. I think I did a good job calming people down. But people are so passionate the numbers climbed. Acadia, Sweetie everyone loves you and noone refered to you. It is just a coincidence that this is the type of posts you like to make. Don't think any of this was about you.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

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you bastards! you killed kenny^H^H^H^H^Hacadia!

I'm glad to know you guys weren't serious. Sorry I took it so personally. I've had a really bad (beyond bad) day today, so I'm a bit touchy and a whole lot more sensitive than usual. I'll keep on posting interesting freebie links when I find them :)

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Poser is a passionate place. Intense and passionate.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

So you're only a troll stirring trouble if it's not April Fool's Day ;P

Xena, seeing you call his opinion "crap" was pretty fabulous. :)

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

Well it was a pretty crap opinion LMAO

Only the first time was funny.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

Fair play, MachineClaw, you got me... :) jonthecelt

I think I had your brainwaves filtered as spam guys :P checks in the calendar that Internet April Fool's Day lasts more than 48 hours and starts much earlier than you'd expect I DO really hope that noone will ever post a topic like that being serious :) Michal 4blueyes

Sorry, April Fools Day is April 1 not March 31. Crying April Fool is a lame excuse and an attempt to backtrack from saying something unpopular.

checks in the calendar that Internet April Fool's Day lasts more than 48 hours and starts much earlier than you'd expect Nonsense - who says? You might as well say that Internet Christmas starts on August 15. Mind you, round here it seems to ...

It can't be an April fool if you started the thread BEFORE April the first. Anyway I hardly ever go to Product Showase unless I recognise the name of the thread starter or the title jumps out screaming at me so I would miss a lot of really neat freebies if they were moved to the showcase.

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Hmm... Even in Aussieland or one of the places where the futurepeople (compared to us Europeans) live, this was started before April 1st...

Gee. Glad I was out all day and missed this. Not very funny for a joke, was it? bonni

"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis

this all somehow reminds me of one of my acquaintances who tends to tell really nasty things in the face and then add with a charming smile "But I am just joking ^_^" ... kitty5

www.Bucketload3d.com - where cool freebies are ~(==^..^)

I'm w/Bonni. I think jokes ought to be funny, as a sort of minimum. And hurting people may be funny for the guy with the bat, but many of the rest of us are not amused, unless the guy being treated to the humor gets control of the bat and returns the favor. Anyone who didn't expect Acadia to take this personally is tone deaf or permanently immature. It was obviously aimed at her, whether it was a "joke" or not, and the "humor" was pure meanness that deserved her first reaction. When I read the first post, the first thing I thought was, "What kind of ungrateful, self-important SOB would attack Acadia like this?" If she had been in on the joke, that would be different, by the way. If it really was an April Fools' gag, including her so she could "defend herself" as part of the alleged sendup would have been a bit less stupid. A "joke" with humor that depends on harm is not funny, period. And "Just kidding!!" is a cop-out smelling dubiously of bullshit. M PS: Y'all understand that this post is just a silly ole April Fools' joke, right? Just kidding? No harm done? Right? Piffle.

To be fair... it's not just MachineClaw claiming this as an April Fool... Anton is backing him up... it was apparently something they both schemed up together. I'm not going to judge them on the rightness or humour in the gag - after all, I bit on this one pretty hard, and any griping now would probably just be sour grapes on my part - but if both parties concur that this was a premeditated joke, then I believe them. jonthecelt

if both parties concur that this was a >> premeditated joke, then I believe them. Right. And secretly delivering watermelons to your new Black neighbors is a "joke." Man, don't those folks have a sense of humor? Personally, I don't care if it was "meant" to be funny. It was not funny, it was petty, thoughtless, and mean. Just kidding, of course. M

APRIL FOOLS!!! GOTCHA! Ha ha. You basically called free stuff providers spammers, but it's only a joke. Ha ha. Right, I get it. Like mickma just said, it's like how jokes about African-Americans aren't really supposed to be racist. And like jokes about Polish people aren't really meant to demean them. But those jokes are funny, right? Who cares if they offend people? Feel free to add my name to your "block messages from this person" list so you don't see any of my messages announcing new free stuff. After all, I wouldn't want you to get any of my "spam". I was planning on announcing new of my latest freebie, the Episode I C-3PO, but since you consider it spam, I won't be making the announcement. --John

VanishingPoint... Advanced 3D Modeling Solutions

People are very pasionate about thier freebies and opinions. Please re-read all of my posts. Most have "I think.." I didn't bash, or anything, I actually compliment freebie makers. April's Fools Day starts on March 31st. Read the Daz Sues E-Frontier links and look around. I did not intentionally hurt or insult anybody in my posts. Re-reading this thead through is interesting. I absolutly love the Meter animated Gif, I think that is brilliant. "Make it work, carry on"-Tim Gunn

MC? just go away for awhile. it was not funny and not a joke. jokes are FUNNY. this was not. not even a little bit. just leave it and go.. you've upset enough ppl here.

I am reminded of an old test for a "joke": Would you think it was funny if you were the victim rather than the perpetrator? In any case, the horse is dead. M

This was NO WAY an aprils fools joke. It waasn't meant to be. The claim that it was is a lame and far toooooo late attempt to defend yourself. Aprils fools day does NOT start on March 31st. Tehre's a reason why it's called APRILs fool... And timezones notwithstanding, jokes are supposed to be funny. This wasn't. It was just an attack. Nothing else, no matter what you say.

:) No mixing the medications please. I dunno Christmas starts just before Halloween here. ANd my Birthday card never comes till one or two days later. MachineClaw, you did get 100 in 24 hours though. :)

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

Next year, let's start a funny April Fools' joke about the new fisting morph that R'osity won't let Machine Claw post for AM. Boy, is that funny. Just kidding. M

What is fisting?

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

Let me ask MachineClaw something: have you made any freebies? Have those freebies been downloaded thousands of times? And how many thanks have you received? One? Two? How many images have you seen where people use the free items that you worked hard to create? One? Two? Now, granted, I make the items because I enjoy making them and I don't expect any kind of thanks or gratitude. However, I do expect more courtesy than be called a spammer. I didn't bash, or anything, I actually compliment freebie makers. In your original post, you NEVER complimented anyone. In fact, your subject line is a complete "bash" and directly compares Free Stuff providers to spammers: Can we move Freebie links and free/marketting spam to product showcase How do you consider that a "compliment"? I know, the answer is "Lighten up, April Fools". --John

VanishingPoint... Advanced 3D Modeling Solutions

"What is fisting?" I think it's an ornate type of stitching found around the base of some high-class dufflebags, but I might be wrong.

The liver is evil - It must be punished.

;)

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

I did not intentionally hurt or insult anybody in my posts. Therefore it's ALL OKAY! If anyone was hurt or upset, TOO BAD! So long as YOU didn't MEAN IT, it's all just FINE. Ha. Ha. Ha. Hilarious. bonni

"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis

It's done and in the past, let's move on.

Nothing good or productive can come from this thread, so please let it die or be locked?

Message edited on: 04/01/2006 20:10

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

I think it's an ornate type of stitching found around >> the base of some high-class dufflebags, No, that comes after. :) M

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Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL

Subject: Can we move Freebie links and free/marketting spam to product showcase?

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