I know some of you are going to think I am just insane, but I have decided to remove APollo from Content Paradise and termiante my publishing agreement with e-frontier.

I know it must seem unimaginable. I guess at my age, you just figure that you deserve the best. I left for a variety of reasons. Most are pure business related.

Regarding those who have made APolo items. I adore you all. It was with a heavy heart I terminated the agreement. But I have very specific rules and standards I operate by.

Rcent events really made me realize that I didn't leave my old career to be unsatistfied. I wanted to update some more files and perhaps reconsider packaging and such anyway.

I have talked with Clint for months about the possibility of moving Apollo here. Gotta love Clint. Great guy. Biggest issue is the file size. I will work it out somehow.

I will have more info at my site when the time is right.. :) Email me if you need to. Flames will be ignored.

Anton

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

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Anton,

I'm sure that Apollo will find a good home soon. He's way too good a figure to be out of action for very long.

In the meantime, I'll be busy making new Apollo items. I've got Apollo Enhanced almost ready, and I'm working on some new leathers for my main man. Then there's some military stuff I've been working on for him too.

Good luck, bud! I'll keep you and Apollo in my thoughts.

Jim

Hey thanks. :)

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

Quote - I know some of you are going to think I am just insane, but I have decided to remove APollo from Content Paradise and termiante my publishing agreement with e-frontier.

I know it must seem unimaginable. I guess at my age, you just figure that you deserve the best. I left for a variety of reasons. Most are pure business related.

So. Do you still have both pinkies?

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"

Monkeysmell

I don't know what that means. You mean fingers? I count 10. :)

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

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"If a kobun fails his oyabun, he must undergo yabitsume, a form of reparation for his failings. The most common method of this reparation is "finger-cutting." To atone for his failure, a kobun must willingly cut off a part of a finger, or in serious cases the entire finger. "Generally, yabitsume is performed in a very formal ritual attended by the oyabun. The individual making amends ties a white cloth around the finger and is presented with a sharp knife. He then cuts off his own finger. Showing any pain or emotion during the procedure brings even greater shame than the initial failure or disobedience"

Yubitsume

Yes I have all my fingers. That scenario doesn't apply to me. You guys have too much time on your hands. :)

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

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I counted mine too, just in case. When I got to 11, I figured I'd gotten lost....

One Apollo item ready and another in the making. Just say where and when, I'll be there.

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What does this mean for prospects of a face room module?

. ~s

Thanks all.

zulu9812,

The face room module is still due out soon as far as I have been told. The work is already been done so there should be no issues.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

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I wish you the best of luck. Let us know where you wind up.

latest developments in my blog...

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)

lol. God you need a hobby.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

but anton...

This is my hobby...

tsk tsk. silly goose :D

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)

Speaking as a non-merchant and non-professional 3D Artist, I guessed there was more to it than "Personality".

A few days ago, when I saw the-now-irrelevant-to-AM licence which was on the now-obsolete CP webpage for AM, it read that the content fell under the Poser EULA.

When I read further down that text, it said that the company does not enforce the rights of the third-party content providers. Also, that copyright remains with the third-parties. The text makes a distinction between what content is developed by the software owners, and those of third-party providers. I am guessing third-party refers to the bundled content (such as the runtimeDNA stuff, the Blue Moon Studios stuff, some Zygote stuff, etc etc).

Which, in my mind at that time, meant that those creators would have to bear the brunt of any litigation / protection of their IP rights. Add that to other commercial issues such as what Anton has posted on his own website. A formula for discontent. Well, I guess it went over the edge for Anton and so, AM moves once again.

I hope eveyrthing works out for everyone this time round. It will be good to move on.

I don't have any idea how CP run their business with their content-providers, and I don't want to talk about that. I don't bear any ill-feelings towards CP; I'm just another little customer of theirs, who likes some of the things they sell. Just sharing my view on the case.

Eternal Hobbyist

Clark has nothing to do with this. As far as I know e-frontier is actually unaware of the Clark issue.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

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I wish you all the best, Anton. Let me know where you land, and I'll be there. With CASH :)

-- Jeff (jefsview)

hey thanks Jeff. I appreciate it.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

I still need to get that second Clothing set of AM. So ihope you find the best place you can to showcase Apollo. This was just very sudden, like your favorite aunt dying! Do what's best for yourself and your creations. I'm a novelist/short story writer, so I understand the need to do what's best for your own vision.

Best,

Jeff

I have a question. Isn't Rosity part of Content Paradise? Won't Apollo show up in CP anyway if it's sold here at Rosity?

No prob Jeff. Thanks again.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

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Spiritbro,

Only if the vendor checks a specific box on the submission form that allows it. Its up to the vendor, in other words.

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)

Thanks ynsaen........I didn't know that! :) For some reason I just assumed the entire store came up in CP. Learn something new every day.

Anton,

I hope you find the perfect home for Apollo and do what ever updates you need to do. I'll be looking for your announcement!

All the best

Richard ;-)~

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My Freebies are HERE

Thanks RIchard.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

Grrrrr . . . just when I had finally scraped together the cash and justified the purchase to myself, he's gone.

Hope you can find a good solid vendor for him soon - I want my Apollo!

Hey Anton,

Sorry to read about your problems with eF and CP. Typical. Now you know why you don't see any of my plugins for sale here or elsewhere - only on my site using Paypal. No issues with accounting, payment, or needing to jack prices to pay for the hosting cut. ;)

Good luck and keep us aprised

Robert

C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but when you do, you blow your whole leg off.

-- Bjarne Stroustrup

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same as Wyvern13!

I hope Apollo finds a friendly home soon!! Good luck Anton! :)

I don't understand why the CP people let you go, Apollo is the best Poser figure to date!

Everything happens for a reason, wish you the best of luck!

PM

New leathers....... sounds hot. I am sure Apollo will be fine because the character is way too advanced from the M3 guy that many of us will never go back to "ok" when we have "great" to play with.

I'll look forward to seeing apollo's success for 2 reasons. 1. The character is fantastic (although he still needs an anus) 2. I am sick of DAZ controlling the market.

Ron

Quote - Anton,

I'm sure that Apollo will find a good home soon. He's way too good a figure to be out of action for very long.

In the meantime, I'll be busy making new Apollo items. I've got Apollo Enhanced almost ready, and I'm working on some new leathers for my main man. Then there's some military stuff I've been working on for him too.

Good luck, bud! I'll keep you and Apollo in my thoughts.

Jim

Is there any reason you can't set up a store on your own site? Something that would have not only your own Appollo stuff, but perhaps host the work of others who make products for Apollo? I know this would probably entail a certain expense for store set up etc, but the sales should pay for it and then some.

I think it would be kind of neat to have a store just for Apollo and any future companions you might make. It's not like people wouldn't find you - word would spread fast andyou could still visit forums and leave links, etc.

Just a thought...

.....

Morning Coffee

http://artzone.daz3d.com/blog/index.php?seid=ynsaen

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)

I hope to get notice of where Apollo is for sale next. I bought the original one from RDNA, the update from CP.. Wonder if I can finally spend my instore credits here on his next incarnation, or whatever it will be? The face room module perhaps?

No matter what, Apollo is still a great figure...

Best of luck, Anton. :)

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Yes, best of luck anton.

I'm off to note the final decision in my blog, and close this chapter down.

Too bad Shaharah won't get any recompense for the damage you've caused.

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)

See what happens when I disappear for years on end without checking in? Dang...last time I was here this place used to be called....oh dang let me not even GO there LOL.

waves at PAN

Damn, boy, where you been!! Last time I saw you was just before C&D closed down.

You didn't get stuck did ya?

Second to last blog on this: http://artzone.daz3d.com/blog/index.php?seid=ynsaen

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)

Anton has posted his response on his own website.

I'll have the next blog up shortly.

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)

www.byanton.com

The website.

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ynsaen, don't take this the wrong way, but I'm really confused by your comments. In another thread, you mentioned that you used your experience and knowledge of modelling in order to render an objective comparison. Maybe it's from having a scientific background, but I believe once you proclaim objectivity you forfeit being able to introduce your own personal opinions. Again, I'm not saying this as a personal attack, just that I find it odd...

Cool Anton, that's great news! While Apollo takes a break, is there any chance of you reworking his mapping so I can use that awesome Clark texture on him in the MP?

Thanks in advance,
Billy :)

i did not write the last post nor know who did. i am peturbed that someone else wrote it though. if i click on the profile it takes me to billy's homepage. my home page is billy423uk. both pages are the same with the same info showing my IM's. how is it that someone can allow access to my page through a different name. unlike the billy above i do not wish to wind anyone up. a decision has been made (the right one in my mind) and thats the end of it. so if anyone clicks on the profile and sees it's me, it isn't. can a mod check into it please.

thanks

billy

mod?

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

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oops, silly me it, shows my message count irrispective of who's profile i click on. sorry mods.

billy

Silly Billy :lol:

Silly Billy

mod?...rrotflmao

billy

chuckle

As my dear old Mum likes to say... "Don't be a big girl's blouse" lol

Thank you billy for mentioning mapping. My site is updated.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

Today Renderosity recinded all recent and previous offers for me to have a store here. Apollo will be retired and I am leaving the community. New info is at my site.

I leave angered and resentfrul at merchants like ernyoka, members like Acadia, and store people like JenyK

To railroad and troll and to ignore it and pretend it isn't happening is despicable. So the combined Poser stores, witho their secrets and intigues have managed to squeeze me out. COngratulations but at least they had to band together, if even in secret and over years to do it.

"TOS" means "To obey silently"

I leave with my honesty, my convinctions and zero respect for a level of commnity wide corruption I happily leave behind.

To my supports I thank them and wish you well in life. To those that sat silent over years and sites, I abhore you. To the mentally ill that now run our forums, well you wou;dn't understand anyway.

Goodbye,

Anton

PS: DOn't bother sending me IM's and email now with silent support. I am sorry but the anger I have over such lack of honesty is not capable of ebing expressed.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

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How quaint......an I'm leaving forever speech.

Best of luck in life, Anton.

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I'm really saddened by this news. Anton has been a great merchant and teacher in this community. It's unfortunate that these forums, which were once a celebration of art, have decended into a playground where some feel the need to be cruel to others.

Well said PBM.

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"It's unfortunate that these forums, which were once a celebration of art, have decended into a playground where some feel the need to be cruel to others."

The celebration of art ended pretty much around the time it became the celebration of the WalMartization of Runtime Buffet.

How quaint - Anton's accusing others of doing to him what he did to other people. specifically to railroad and troll.

Definitely a case of the Pot calling the Kettle black.

Anton should'nt have tried to go for a trial by public opinion.

His actions, false accusations, for which he has yet to apologise are what have caused this.

If he hadn't 've behave like the egotistical drama queen he is and respected the TOS, things probably wouldn't have come to this.

Anton - grow up.

Interesting that you accuse him of violating TOS when you are the one doing the name calling.

Guys, try to behave with a modicum of decorum?

Even if you don't agree that Anton, himself, was a good person, surely we can all agree that Apollo Maximus was a good figure, and that it will be missed.

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I watched the infringement thread unfold - saw the unfounded accusations aimed at various merchants and other members of this community, including the accusations of poeple using clone accounts.
If I'd've posted in that thread anton probably would've said this account was a clone account, because I've been a member for 6 years and I've only posted 150 odd times.

I also saw Anton's posts in that thread being edited to make him look like the victim, when he threw out unfounded accousations.

My comments are based on my observation of the infringement thread and seeing Anton's drama queen behaviour develop over these past 6 years.

As far as calling Anton a drama queen, well if the cap fits.

Based on his previous 'I'm leaving this community & never coming back.', I'll give it 6 months to a year, & I reckon he'll be back with some new toys to show us.

I've only known Anton for the time that Apollo has been out. So I'm not sure of his past 'tantrums' or what not. I am sad that he thinks that we think so little of him. I didn't say much during all of this because if there is not 100% proof on either side then I usually just stay quiet and observe (a Capricornian trait that I conform pretty well to). I'm sorry if he abhors me for not coming forward to defend him but as I stated there really wasn't anything for me to do in this sort of case anyway.

Clark is NOT Apollo and probably never will be but Clark is cute in his way and hopefully body morphs, clothes and other accessories will follow in time for him (I think he needs a nice ring, gold chain and ear rings!! ). I like variation and while this can be achieved with Apollo it's like saying to your boyfriend or girlfriend. "I'm bored with you, go dye your hair a different color" Mesh is still the same and all that under it all.

New meshes are fun and exciting to play with. Sometimes you waste your money (like I did with Miki and her truly horrible rubber banded joints at the elbow that leaves her forearm looking quite disfigured) but so far Clark is just fine in most areas and surely does not have this sort of an issue. Yes, I am aware of the fixes that eF doing for James, Jessi and Miki but it's not going to help the amount of money spent on the other goodies when they are rendered useless when the new figure updates are released!!

Shahara gave us a nice texture pack, some eyes and morphs have been released and hopefully FBM's will follow! Just wish he would have at least rigged the mouth to open up! Sheesh!! What a chore for Trekkie...... :blink:

I'm just sorry that Anton was so angry that he feels he has to close up shop and go. Very sad!

All the best to you Anton, I mean it!

Richard ;-)~

---Wolff On The Prowl---

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Interesting...

Goodbye, Apollo. You WILL be missed. And I was just getting to know you.

These last few days/weeks have been a bad dream for all of Poserdom, and I hope in the future that things that should remain private will. From infancy into the dark ages, I guess. Perhaps there's some enlightening around the corner.

Goodbye, Apollo.

-- Jeff

Quote - To railroad and troll and to ignore it and pretend it isn't happening is despicable. So the combined Poser stores, witho their secrets and intigues have managed to squeeze me out. COngratulations but at least they had to band together, if even in secret and over years to do it.

...where's an Intercom when you really need one, eh? Nah, just kidding. GL, Anton. Hope it works out for you. /P

"These last few days/weeks have been a bad dream for all of Poserdom,..."

Nah, this isn't much beyond business as usual, actually.

A very sad outcome.

** MikeJ said:** "Nah, this isn't much beyond business as usual, actually."

also, a sad commentary on our community here...

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The sad thing is that Clark just plainly isn't a good character and if Anton had just kept this between the mods and out of the public then Clark's interest to most people would already be petering out, it's 15 minutes just about up.

In contrast Apollo being superior in most ways to even Daz's male characters and being recently connected to CL had a very promising and bright future. Possibly the first realistic non toony character that could hold his own against Daz's figures.

Also he was far more likely to have had Renderosity kick the Clark character from the site if he hadn't put them in such an awkward predicament. He made it almost impossible for them to do so without causing major discontentment among members, not because of Clark's connection to Apollo but instead because of Anton's behavior towards so many members.

I've never seen anyone self destruct so badly before as Anton here, it was like watching a train wreck in slow motion with everyone who supported him unable to stop what he was doing to himself. It was a sad sight to behold.

Personally if I was Anton, I'd open a little store myself, sell my wares myself and if people want to buy them that's fine, if they don't that's fine too. I'd stay away from Renderosity or the other Poser community sites and just try and get some enjoyment from doing what he does best... creating great things.

Apollo Maximus Retired:

http://www.antonkisieldesigns.com/content/sections/news/article.php?article_id=63

Quote - Personally if I was Anton, I'd open a little store myself, sell my wares myself and if people want to buy them that's fine, if they don't that's fine too...just try and get some enjoyment from doing what he does best... creating great things.

Very well said!

Regardless of which way one feels about this recent episode, he has made many very valuable contributions to the whole Poser community over the past decade...I, for one, will not forget that fact. Hopefully he'll find a way to stay in the game in the future.

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Quote - I didn't say much during all of this because if there is not 100% proof on either side then I usually just stay quiet and observe (a Capricornian trait that I conform pretty well to). I'm sorry if he abhors me for not coming forward to defend him but as I stated there really wasn't anything for me to do in this sort of case anyway.

Many, many times over the years, he admonished people to mind their own business. For him to say he abhors those who chose to mind their own business before Renderosity's decision is not only absurd, it's really insulting. You're a good man RAM and I don't wish Anton any harm either, but you nobody owes him an apology for choosing not to take sides.

Ok, stupid question here, but why not take apollo back to RDNA? I saw that he was at CP and marked as 2006 while RDNA has stuff marked 2005. Honestly I thought you' sold AM and and wasa bit surprised

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-Galileo

I wound up posting about the whole drama issue over on my Artzone blog. No sense repeating it here.

LadySilverMage, Anton left/was removed RuntimeDNA after some issues. Going back is not an option.

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Amen

Quote - Regardless of which way one feels about this recent episode

I am not interested in yet another figure so I didn't bother reading the thread being discussed; and I'm glad that I didn't bother to open it. So it's only through "hear-say" that I know anything about the "recent episode", and I don't put much stock in "hear-say", so I remain neutral.

Quote - he has made many very valuable contributions to the whole Poser community over the past decade...I, for one, will not forget that fact.

Yes he has, and I won't either. He is a man that is a master of his craft.

Quote - Hopefully he'll find a way to stay in the game in the future.

Hopefully, because it would be a shame and a huge loss to the Poser community if he were to just up and quit and leave. However, there is no mistaking that he has some serious damage control to do and some bridges to mend.

I hope he takes a break and takes stock of things and returns with a clear head and heart.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

"I leave angered and resentfrul at merchants like ernyoka, members like Acadia, and store people like JenyK"

Well Acadia, I have to admire you. If I'm had my name mentioned is such a self-absorbed and obnoxious temper tantrum I'd doubt very much if I'd be rushing to his defence. You're obviously a better person than he.

i'd like to add my voice to those who have suggested that you run your own store at your own site. that avoids having to deal with the party of the middleman, and the almost inevitable conflicts that brings. and even without presuming malice on anyone's part, those conflicts might not be worth the stress. it'd be a real loss to the poser community if apollo were to remain permanently retired. he's a yardstick for what a human poser figure can be. so i am hoping you'll bring him back. take a break, by all means. step back and evaluate all your options. take some of the criticism to heart, too; you did yourself damage here, which IMO didn't need to happen -- tantrums don't come across as professional. but at the risk of sounding sappy: first and foremost, take care of your own joy in your creations. that's so damn important. don't allow that to be destroyed by anyone, including suspected rippers, including yourself. joy before ego. really. :) best wishes.

Pleonastic, I think you totally nailed it. Joy before ego. :)

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Quote - LadySilverMage, Anton left/was removed RuntimeDNA after some issues. Going back is not an option.

Ah, I've been out of the loop recently.

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you seem to have plenty of issues with stores..or are restless, or something...DAZ, RDNA, now CP... but no loss you leaving CP....they have the worst customer service of any store on the net.

I think you need to start up your own store, then you can do and run it the way it suits you...or if web store is not your bag, find someone to collaborate with. You have plenty of creators making stuff for APollo...get them together and crank up your own business.

Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together.
All things connect......Chief Seattle, 1854

Now that news is out about the REAL reason you had to leave RDNA, all I can say is... sure. Start your own store, cos nobody else will have you. Your behind the scenes anticts are truly despicable. Threatening and abusive phone calls...? Ring any bells? You're sick. Get help.

'Now that news is out about the REAL reason you had to leave RDNA, all I can say is... sure. Start your own store, cos nobody else will have you. Your behind the scenes anticts are truly despicable. Threatening and abusive phone calls...? Ring any bells? You're sick. Get help.'

What 'news' is this. Is this common public knowledge, or hearsay information?

If the former, please could you supply a reference to the public information to which you are refering?

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which of the "real reasons" did you read? Cause I've seen a few

The message was for Anton, he knows to what it is referenced. I post it here because forums appear to be his favourite method of manipulation, however, I regret posting it and potentially causing the parties involved more unpleasantness. To them, I apologise. Some people just get away with their actions and the unfairness of it sickens me to my stomach, and as such I am unsubscribing from this thread.

I try very hard to see the best in people and don't make statements such as I did unless I'm very upset.

Hi Gang, I think this thread has run its course.

Thank..

Clint Hawkins
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Subject: Apollo on the move. :)