I've seen references to something called Sariel during all of this AM mess. What exactly is it? I've tried searching around all the major sites and have come up with nothing more than a teaser image (if you wanna call it that). Can anybody shed some light on the subject?

Thanks,
David

It's a new base mesh Dodger is currently working on that he plans on giving away for free on his website eventually when it's finished. At least that's my understanding. ;)

I'm sure it'll be posted all over the place when he's completed it and it's available.

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?ספק לי אם זה מה שאתה מחפס, אך בצד השני, לך תדע I very much doubt that this is what you're looking for, but then, who knows?

What's an AM change? I thought AM stood for 'Ante Meridiem', or 'Before Noon', but that doesn't make sense in the above context.

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Quote - ? , , br> I very much doubt that this is what you're looking for, but then, who knows?

What's an AM change? I thought AM stood for 'Ante Meridiem', or 'Before Noon', but that doesn't make sense in the above context.

AM = Apollo Maximus

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So it's not only that I need to learn that NOTLD stands for 'Night Of The Living Dead,' and that NVIATWAS stands for naked female Milleniem warriors in holy places, but now I have to learn a whole new meaning for the time honored nomenclature that designate the hours of the day? This is just too much! If you mean 'Big Guy Apollo,' then SAY 'Big Guy Apollo!' ;-)
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I'm still trying to figure out what "WTF" means :P

Wooly Things Fly?
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Worms Taste Funny?

Wine, Thyme, & Frijoles!

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Whoaw That's Funny?

L Snot fair to write in hebrew...

What does it say?

mutters something about dead cats, but...

!על שלושה דברים העולם עומד, על התורה, על העבודה, ועל גמילות חסדים

On three pillars does the world stand, on the Torah (law), on pious labor (prayer), and on righteous deeds (charity to the unfortunate)!
From the 'Sayings of the Elders.'

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WTF = What The F***!

Injustice will be avenged.
Cofiwch Dryweryn.

I thought it meant, 'Watch The Fudge!'

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Well that's fine

Quote - !על שלושה דברים העולם עומד, על התורה, על העבודה, ועל גמילות חסדים

On three pillars does the world stand, on the Torah (law), on pious labor (prayer), and on righteous deeds (charity to the unfortunate)!
From the 'Sayings of the Elders.'

Ah :D Thanks!

All I know how to write is אור ח׳אלן

and that's.. er.. not quite as religious. Or more in the idol-sort of it at least :m_grin:

Thanks, Chailynne. Would be nice if there were some more previews other than the teaser at PP.

David

"אור ח׳אלן"
It would appear that while his first name derived from Hebrew, his last name is a semi corruption from Arabic. His full name's possibly meaning could be 'Light of Allah!'

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Light of Alan, not quite Allah, but other than that...

And I didn't come up with it, one of my (other) hebrew-sawwy friends did) :)

אור ח׳אלן, (pronounced 'Or Kha'alan') doesn't really mean anything (and I don't care what your Hebew savvy friends told you). However, if you were to change it to 'אור דאלן' (pronounced 'Or DaAlan'), then you would at least have the advantage of it saying 'Light of Alan' in grammatically correct Aramaic, a sister language to Hebrew.
That is simply a suggestion, which you are at perfect liberty to adopt or discard as you see fit.
שלום אליך, Peace be with you;
David P. hoadley

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Thanks :D

That's great! Sine I can't read hebrew myself (though I can say a few select phrases L) I have to rely on more knowledgable people.

Thanks for the errata :m_grin:

BTW my friend usually transscribes it as Ohr H'Alan.... is that totally wrong as well then? (with the h pronounced as the ...er.. like j in spanish I think)

There's a spanish expression, 'ojala!', which is another corruption of something like that. All the Hebrew I know (actually Yiddish, which isn't quite the same), would violate the TOS..;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)

The letter ח is the Hebrew letter Khet (Het) but pronounced with the glottis in the back of the throat, and has a phonetic value similar to the ch in the scottish word Loch. When transposing words from Arabic that use it's alphbetical phonetic equivolent, the usual practice is to use the combination Kh to designate it's sound (however, in English, it's many times been transposed as a Ch, but that often give the misleading impression that it's phonetic value is the same as Church or Chowder, rather than LoCH).
In modern Hebrew, when transposing Spanish names and words that use the j (whota), the ח (khet) is often substituted, but then Israelis tend to pronounce such words as Juan and Marajuana with a hard phonetic, so that it comes out as khuwan (glottal H) and Marakhwana (again gloutal H).
I hope this was helpful.
BTW, I've downloaded many of your props, and find them very useful.
Yours truly,
David P. Hoadley

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You guys wanna take this topic to your own thread maybe?

David

Sariel is a core mesh that Dodger (that's me, the XFX guy who's typing right now) is developing. However, to clarify: Sariel will NEVER be available to the general public, free or otherwise. You will not get Sariel. Sariel is being designed as a neuter mesh of as 'average' a shape as I can possibly get. I've done things like measure limb lengths and so on, and averaged them out, to figure the lengths to set Sariel's mesh at. There's a lot of thought going into it. And it's an IT for sure (though the default model will have female genitalia -- and that's simply because it's easier to pull that stuff OUT than to tuck it back in, at least to me). It also has slight (very slight) breasts -- not even quite an A-cup. It has a generally teeaged looking face with no particular ethnicity (depending on how you look at it you can see african, european, or asian features, but with none of the 'telltales' of any of them). Sariel will not be rigged or made into a Poser figure. Sariel is named after the Archangel Sariel, as a nod to both Michael and my Raphael Aeon Adolescent Boy (who was, behind the scenes, actually the first Aeon kid I meshed up, though not the first released, as I figured Anna would grab more attention, and I was right). That leaves one archangel. And that's where the stuff you guy swill get -- for free -- comes in. This is -- since you asked all nice -- the first announcement of clarifying the not-yet-done mystery which is Sariel and what it means: Two figures I shall make them, male and female, not in my own image because the male shall not want to suck in his gut every time the female walks by. First shall come the male, then the female. I was unsure which to release first before, but recent events have made me decide on the male. As a great and unholy raspberry from the cthonic depths. The DaVinci Figures they shall be, the DaVinci Man and DaVinci Woman (and when TG posted the bit about using the DaVinci Man as reference, I almost spit out my Diet Coke, verily). And yea, these names have been decided since 2003. The DaVinci Man shall be called Gabriel, the last of the archangels, and one of the more popular two, to balance with Michael in spirit. The DaVinci Woman shall be called Elizabeth, the name of which, along with Victoria, stands among the most famous and esteemed of British Queens. Ian McKellen Notwithstanding. From there, a new line of kids and mutants and elderly shall be created, names which are not yet decided. In some cases, they may be marked with the name of the Aeon figure which preceded them in spirit, in others, not. But they shall be divers and fun and creative and the mesh from whence they are formed shall be as clay of the earth in your Zbrush and sundry morphing programs. And they shall be, to a man, free. As free as the sun and sky, as distributable as the MP3s you deny having are not. And, as free things, I shall joyously partake in posting them in the Poser forum as one can only do when the things are so free. Verily I say this unto you. And so shall be the basic morphs built in to the figures. But yea, behold, the extended morph packs and clothing will not be free but merely rather cheap.

I'm the asshole. You wanna be a shit? You gotta go through ME.

Oh yes, and I forgot to add... All these figures, Gabriel and Elizabeth and all their kin, shall be made from the Sariel core mesh.

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"And G-d saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day G-d ended his labor which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his labor which he had made. And G-d blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which G-d created and made."

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Dodger, I'm confused. Basically what you are saying is that you are not releasing Sariel, but the figures that are derived from him, right?

It might be useful to keep a thread going about inscriptions and strange writings, as they seem to feature a lot in the kind of gothy art that Poser peeps enjoy. Rabbis, Runesmiths, Klingonistas and Elvish speakers could keep each other on the right track spelling-wise.

Any advance on "Ol sonuf varasogai, gohu vouina vabzir de tehom quadmonah?"

PBM: Yup. Sariel is the core mesh, which will not be available. But it also will not cost money, so postings about it are noncommercial. Gabriel and Elizabeth, the DaVinci Man and Woman will be free base figures. Again noncommercial freebies. Of course anyone may make addons for the figures, morph packs, and so on. And of course, I will, too. Think of 'Sariel' as synonymous in concept with 'Unimesh' and thus think of DvG and DvE as synonymous with M3 and V3. Except there's one difference. In the case of DAZ figures, V3 IS the Unimesh. In this case, BOTH figures are deviations from a mesh being optimised to the most average possible shape -- which means that neither figure will be more or less perfectly suited to that base shape. Start in the middle and you never have to go over halfway.

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Are there teaser images of Sariel or the derivitives up anywhere?

So does this mean that Sariel-based figures will be able to share textures and/or morphs?

Dodger? DUDE! it's been YEARS!..;) I remember you from when you were just _Dodger, instead of ____Dodger..;) can't keep a good man down..;)

Any good free mesh character is a plus..keep 'em flying..

and in related silliness, the cryptic quote on my posts is the Charm of Making from Excalibur..;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)

The good news is that even if you stop production of Gabby and Liz for some unforseen circumstance, you still won't be considered a Sariel killer.

Before they made me they broke the mold!
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Momodot: Yes: http://market.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2589876 -- Key word: Teaser B^) SQ: Yes Bobasaur: Groan

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At least I kept the one about breakfast Sariel to myself... [grin]

Before they made me they broke the mold!
http://home.roadrunner.com/~kflach/

or transmitting the information in Sariel mode..;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)

So since I have a Mac now, I can make the Mac release ready-out-of-the-box... But this won't be a Sariel Port -- nowadays it'd have to be USB2 or Firewire. I marked this as violence not because it has it in it, but because I'm having another toothache and I just feel violent.

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LOL...I wish you the best of luck. Keep us updated.

HAHAHAHAHA That was sooooo funny. In regards to the teaser thread. Looking forward to seeing your new figures :)

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Quote - nowadays it'd have to be USB2 or Firewire.

Universal Sariel Bus?

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Love means never having to say you're Sariel. At least that's what I heard...

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IMHO check the tragus of the ear :)

Looks rather painful if you ask me. Those who do such things must have a very low opinion of themselves if they need recourse to such multiple external props to boost their self-esteem.
DPH

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Please don't.

I'm the asshole. You wanna be a shit? You gotta go through ME.

Please don't what?!

exactly. please don't what????

David

I'm trying to work out how exactly to say this:

I greatly appreciate momodot's efforts. Critique is generally a gift, and would normally be very welcome in the efforts of perfecting things as much as possible. Therefore, thank you momodot.

However, I'm not requesting or accepting critique at thei stage of the project. Right now the mesh is being optimised for as completely average and central a shape as possible. Therefore several of the facial structures will not look 'right' to the eye -- not just the tragus of the ear, but the outer edge of the lips, the underside of the nose, and so on. This is because no real human has such an exact middle ground -- especially as this middle ground is being chosen to accommodate nonhumans as well.

I am concerned with the community passing judgement on my not paying attention to critiques. However, I'm also not asking for or accepting critiques at this time, and I won't be paying attention to them (the final two base human meshes -- those I may well accept and request critiques on, but not the phi base which is Sariel, and not yet.

Therefore, I'm asking people to please refrain from critiques, as it places me in an awkward situation, that of accepting a 'white elephant' gift, essentially. It's uncomfortable, and unnecesarily so. If I can't avoid them, I'm going to go back to not posting images in progress, and I'd rather not have to do that.

Again, momodot, I know your intentions were the best and I appreciate the effort. I'm simply not wanting critique at this time.

I'm the asshole. You wanna be a shit? You gotta go through ME.

Fair do's. Sariel is, as you say, the starting point for what we will get. It's great to see more humans entering the Poservers, I'm a big advocate for variety as one figure never really fits all uses, however many morphs it has. So, the more figures I have in my runtime, the better my odds are of finding in it exactly what I need when I need it. This sounds like a great project, I wish you the best for it and look forward to adding the results to my collection!

XFX3d,

Thanks for the tolerant response. I did suspect that this was some sort of "technical issue" in working subdivision/smoothing or other stuff I don't understand :)

Thank you again for you equanimous response to my curt (rude?) post :)

momodot

Looking good :)

Merci

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Quote - Those who do such things must have a very low opinion of themselves if they need recourse to such multiple external props to boost their self-esteem.

I've got pierced ears. Multiple piercings, even. Three in the left lobe, two in the right lobe, and one up higher in the curve of the right ear.

It's nothing to do with self esteem. I just like to wear earrings. I think this is the case with a good many people with multiply pierced ears (and other body parts). They just think it looks cool to have jewellery there (whereever "there" may be).

:)

bonni

"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis

Exactly! (But WHY do they think it's cool?)
David P. Hoadley

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Because they're right?

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Quote - Exactly! (But WHY do they think it's cool?)

Errr.... I like shiny things?

bonni

"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis

Possibly, but still, why are they so disastisfied with their NATURAL state as to feel the need to go to such extremes as to change it?
David P. Haodley

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Whatever; living in Israel I feel sufficiently challenged and fulfilled, without the need to practice permanent acupuncture on various intimate parts of my body.
David P. Hoadley

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By the same token, assuming your avatar is a picture of your self, why do you wear a beard? And why, wearing such a beard, do you bother to trim it rather than let it be natural? Why do you have your hair cut short rather than let it be natural? Why do you wear clothing? Have you any tattoos, or know anyone who has?

It a question of PERSONAL taste. Those that like it do, those that don't, don't, that's all.

And in case your wondering I have neither piercings nor tattoos... But I can understand why some people might choose to.

mike

Quote - By the same token, assuming your avatar is a picture of your self, why do you wear a beard? And why, wearing such a beard, do you bother to trim it rather than let it be natural? Why do you have your hair cut short rather than let it be natural? Why do you wear clothing? Have you any tattoos, or know anyone who has?

It a question of PERSONAL taste. Those that like it do, those that don't, don't, that's all.

And in case your wondering I have neither piercings nor tattoos... But I can understand why some people might choose to.

mike

The Torah forbids the use of razors on the face, therefore the beard. I trim it so as not to strain my soup through my mustache everytime I eat. Clothing is also commanded. Tatoos are strickly forbidden. Hair is cut short so as to enable my Tefilin (Prayer Phylacteries) contact with my head.

The only mutilation I ever voluntarily underwent was my circumcission at the age of 21, when I converted to Judaism, and that I did only after a LONG period of soul-searching.

David P. Hoadley

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Isn't it the same with make up as well? Why do people wear lipstick? Eyeliner? rouge? (and whatever it's all called)

Why do people get their hair cut in elaborate hairdos?

wear colourful clothes?

We COULD all dress like in maoist china.. but... I prefer to be a tad more personal.

And yes, I have a few piercings in my ears. Not a lot, but some.

Quote - Tatoos are strickly forbidden.

That's very interesting, considering they were unknown in the middle east during that time, having been lost in paleolithic times, and were not reintroduced to the western-and-middle half of Earth's cultures (of which Israel is a part, like it or not) until Captain Cook's Science Officer and Botanist, Sir Joseph Banks, returned to England with his own tattoo and a tattooed Tahitian chief. Really, sir, I think what you are doing seems like trolling. I don't know why you would be trolling a thread addressing the figure I am creating with attempts to shove your religion in other people's faces, and to be quite honest I am surprised that a Jew, however orthodox, would stoop to wholesale proselytisation: I've generally considered that nasty habit a trait of your religion's descendants, not yours. To be honest, I am bewildered. However, moreover, I would truly appreciate it if you would stop. Your views on body modification, which is a very common thing to do worldwide and which is associated with numerous cultures, does not need any more justification or reason than "Why wouldn't you just leave the canvas blank?" and which has absolutely nothing to do with insecurity or the belief that it is required for beauty, also has absolutely nothing to do with the Sariel mesh except to remind me that I want to make it relatively easy to make the morphs one would need to simulate assorted piercings so that the figure can, in fact, represent an individual willing to celebrate themselves fully. However, on a vaguely related topic: The UVMapping is not going to have a seam down the outer centre of the arm, the way the DAZ Unimesh does. I always found it rather silly that the most common location for a tattoo, the outer arm, was, on the Unimesh, intersected by a rather obnoxious and unhidden seam. Screw that! B^)

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A tattoo is a design or marking made by the insertion of a pigment into punctures or cuts in the skin. In technical terms, tattooing is micro-pigment implantation. Tattoos are a type of body modification.

The word is traced to the Tahitian tatu or tatau, meaning to mark or strike (the latter referring to traditional methods of applying the designs). In Japanese the word used for traditional designs or those that are applied using traditional methods is irezumi ("insertion of ink"), while "tattoo" is used for non-Japanese designs.

Prevalence

Tattoos have become increasingly popular in recent decades in many parts of the world, particularly in North America, Japan, and Europe. The growth in tattoo culture has seen the influx of new artists into the industry, many of whom have technical and fine art training, and that coupled with advancements in tattoo pigments and the ongoing refinement of the equipment used for tattooing has led to a marked improvement in the quality of tattoos being produced. Movie stars, models, popular musicians and sports figures are just some of the people in the public eye who are commonly tattooed, which in turn has fueled the acceptance of tattoos within mainstream popular culture.

In many traditional cultures tattooing has enjoyed a resurgence, partially in deference to their cultural heritage. Historically, a decline in traditional tribal tattooing in Europe occurred with the spread of Christianity. A decline often occurred in other cultures following European efforts to convert aboriginal and indigenous people to Western religious and cultural practices that held tattooing to be a "pagan" or "heathen" activity. Within some traditional indigenous cultures, tattooing takes place within the context of a rite of passage between adolescence and adulthood.

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