drawbridgep opened this issue on Jun 13, 2006 · 59 posts
drawbridgep posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 5:17 PM
DISLIKE
The gallery shwoing most viewed. This will always ALWAYS have naked figures in it. I don't have a problem with naked figures and indeed quite happily go through the gallery expecting to see them and wouldn't go as far as to check the "no nude" option. But to have them on the gallery first page is a little bit much.
Deleting comments: the ability for an artist to delete comment they don't like? What a CRAZY idea. Who came up with that? It's going to turn the gallery into a wishy washy back slapping pile of complementary goop. At least have place markers that show that a comment was deleted.
Letting people ask to not have critical comments! Almost as bad. Personally, and I'm not saying this should be standard, I won't comment on any picture that uses that option. Even if I had nothing bad to say about it.
CSS - nuff said.
Likes - I do kind like the new layout. Latest, recent and favourite is nice. Not too sure I want people to know what images I've been looking at though.
OK, early days (or hours) so need to play some more.
dlk30341 posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 5:41 PM
Quote "The gallery shwoing most viewed. This will always ALWAYS have naked figures in it. I don't have a problem with naked figures and indeed quite happily go through the gallery expecting to see them and wouldn't go as far as to check the "no nude" option. But to have them on the gallery first page is a little bit much. "
I agree...the crotch shot is a bit much :blink:
jjean21 posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 6:22 PM
I agree with both comments about the nudity..these will always be the most viewed and quite often added to the favorites list more than other type of images, seems like another way to enforce the same principal as the HOT 20 only on a more voyeristic level (and no I'm not a prude and yes I both do and view nudes)
I for one don't see the need to inform anyone of the type of comments that I'll accept., before if I wasn't willing to accept constructive criticism along with the good I had the option to disable the comments box and have neither.
Deleting comments...I'll admit there have been a few I'd rather not have seen but they've been few and far between and I consider the source, so this doen't seem like a necessary item either.
One thing I would like to know is how I view the rest of my gallery and my favorites and why on earth I need to have a thumb of my most recent views on my home page. I already know what I looked at.
StaceyG posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 6:26 PM
We are working on the issue regarding the Most Viewed etc on the main gallery page. I agree that some thumbnails are just too much. Even though most have to view nudity in their profile I fear alot don't want to see it like that on the front page so we will get a resolution to this:)
There isn't an option for members to delete theirs or others comments? Where are you seeing this?
drawbridgep posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 6:33 PM
Angel1 posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 6:43 PM
I believe that is only active for the mods?? Is that right Stac?
Vex posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 6:44 PM
whats the difference between nudes on page 1 and page 2?
Doc000 posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 6:49 PM Online Now!
What I like:
What I hate:
StaceyG posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 6:57 PM
Okay the delete comment issue is being worked on right now, thanks for bringing this to our attention.
Doc
You can choose in MY OPTIONS if you want to open a new window or not.
The MY GALLERY is being worked on right now so that the MY GALLERY Link takes you to your full gallery
The comments count is under the thumbnail but the number of view is on the full image.
jjean21 posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 7:06 PM
Is there a way to disable the ranking button? I'd really prefer not to use it if possible.
Doc000 posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 7:12 PM Online Now!
"You can choose in MY OPTIONS if you want to open a new window or not."
That's not what I'm talking about. Your new software is automatically resizing images to fit on the page, which makes people have to click it again to view it at the fullsize. Regardless of whether or not it opens in a new window, people should be able to have a setting to automatically view images at their fullsize or at the reduced size. Again, I direct you to Renderotica and the way they handle the viewing sizes.
"The MY GALLERY is being worked on right now so that the MY GALLERY Link takes you to your full gallery"
Excellent...thank you.
"The comments count is under the thumbnail but the number of view is on the full image."
If you can put the comment count under the thumbnail, then adding the number of views shouldn't be that hard. Again, I think it's pretty silly to have to actually view the full image just to see how many hits it has gotten.
StaceyG posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 7:14 PM
You can edit your image(s) to not allow rankings and on future uploads just leave it "unchecked"
jjean21 posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 7:15 PM
Thank you.
tainted_heart posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 7:25 PM
Quote - I for one don't see the need to inform anyone of the type of comments that I'll accept., before if I wasn't willing to accept constructive criticism along with the good I had the option to disable the comments box and have neither.
Perhaps the ability to indicate that one is looking for constructive critique will encourage more people to comment. People have often expressed concern about leaving a critique because of responses that are less than "friendly". Personally, knowing a person doesn't want a constructive critique makes it easier for me to just say something nice if it's deserved and not ponder whether or not I'll get a nasty-gram if I tell them they need to work on their antialiasing.
It's all fun and games...
Until the flying monkeys attack!!!
3dvice posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 7:28 PM
What I like: - Not to see the number of hits and comments under the thumbnails. - To see how much time passed since the upload. What I dislike: - The resizing of images!!! The quality of resizing is really bad! The lines/edges are not smooth, but kind of zigzag :-/
Le cinéma substitue à notre regard un monde qui s'accorde à nos désirs. - André Bazin
StaceyG posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 7:30 PM
Hi 3dvice
I am asking about the resizing of images problem:)
rockets posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 7:31 PM
I think the new gallery will probably grow on me, but in the meantime there are some things that I really think are wrong. Number one being the most recent viewed images...that really is not cool. Number two is the option to delete comments...not cool either.
I also noticed on a few of my recent images that the count is all wrong. The last one I posted was yesterday and it says I had 2 views. Well that's kind of hard to do when I have more than 2 comments...Uh, what's up with that?
Anyway, once I get my background color back to black, all will be fine I'm sure. :-)
My idea of rebooting is kicking somebody in the butt twice!
Miss Nancy posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 7:46 PM
I know somebody must have asked this: if there are only 1228 pages and 18 images per page (22,104 total), what happened to the 700,000 other images? not that I'm worried, mind you, as the old ones are no doubt in an archive somewhere.
StaceyG posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 8:06 PM
Yes I think anything over 45 days old is in the archives Miss Nancy
3dvice - What browser are you using? The programmers said that They are being scaled down to size within the layout, but the actual image size is not being altered in any way.
Incarnadine posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 8:22 PM
I am using firefox fullscreen at 1600x1200 and it looks like it is resizing for abour 800 wide in a centered frame.
Also wanted to add that even with the avatars unchecked in My Options, it still puts them up next to the comments below the image.
Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!
StaceyG posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 8:23 PM
Thanks I will pass this info on to the programmers Incarnadine.
skiwillgee posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 8:25 PM
Dislikes: 1) default opening page going to "what's new" I'm not interested in nude photography or non-specific 3d applications I don't use. I like the way old gallery would remember and go to Bryce-all if that's what I last viewed. I find it unnerving to want to show a house guest or my children's friends something in my gallery or such and the scene opens with nudies fm poser and photog.
What happened to the rest of my favorite images? I only see six
Get rid of "my last viewed" this is a privacy issue that r'osity should not be imposing on it's artist. This is a biggy.
clicking to view full size is a drag as mention already. If I click a thumb, I want to see the image at full screen .
again as in forum changes implementing, avitars and signatures slow the site down. Not everyone has broadband.
Likes: the page layout looks good
Incarnadine posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 8:28 PM
I also noticed that it said I had 29 comments in the summary at the end of my gallery on my most commented image, I only have 16. Someone needs to check into the maths - this is not urgent though.
Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!
Unicornst posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 8:28 PM
Stacey...the dimensions may be the same, but the original image itself is downsized. You have to click on the image itself (or ZOOM IN) to see it in the original size.
For example.... I click on thumbnail for image by artist "A" ..... the first image I see is sized at 700 X 749. The image was uploaded as 947 X 1013
Making the image smaller than the original on first viewing is making the images appear ragged and not anti-aliased. And not everyone will bother with the ZOOM and therefore, the image the artist uploaded is not portrayed as the artist wished it to be.
StaceyG posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 8:32 PM
1) We are going to be defaulting the opening page to Whats new.
You only see six of your favorites when clicking the MY FAVORITES link?
The last viewed or most recent viewed is standard on a lot of sites and is an added feature
Not sure what you mean here? We are looking into a resizing issue but not sure if that is what you mean?
The site speed issue as stated previously will be slower than the end result for now due to the programmers still working on issues.
Thanks
Incarnadine posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 8:35 PM
the properties box (right click on downsize image) states 700 pixels regardless of my upload size.
I would like a show images at original size option myself (a la ' rotica) for when I open a thumb.
Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!
StaceyG posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 8:36 PM
Thanks Unicornst, I'll give this detailed info to the programmers:)
And I'll also check on the math, LOL
Incarnadine posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 8:37 PM
Thanks for being here to listen. Appreciated!
Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!
StaceyG posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 8:41 PM
You are very welcome. I just want to make things as good as I can for all of you. You don't know how much I appreciate all of your input, suggestions and helpful detailed info..it makes my job so much easier :b_smile:
3dvice posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 8:59 PM
Thanks Stacey! I use Opera.. but I think it's a general problem.. Like Unicorst said: the dimensions may be the same, BUT the initial view is resized to a width of 700px. The images appear ragged and not anti-aliased :-/
Le cinéma substitue à notre regard un monde qui s'accorde à nos désirs. - André Bazin
StaceyG posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 9:01 PM
I will let you all know when I find out something:)
skiwillgee posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 9:13 PM
Sorry about the lost "favorite images" dislike. I just discovered clicking link initially goes to favorites page with the six most recent added images. I had overlooked a second link at that page that loaded all of the favorites.
I solved my dislike #1 by saving direct link to gallery desired in my browser's favorites
I still don't like lasted viewed thing
Tks, for answering.
3dvice posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 9:37 PM
Forgot to mention that a) i appreciate very much the new option to filter images containing violence b) the new rating system seems to me much better than the old one Thanks!
Le cinéma substitue à notre regard un monde qui s'accorde à nos désirs. - André Bazin
TerraDreamer posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 9:45 PM
Quote - Stacey...the dimensions may be the same, but the original image itself is downsized. You have to click on the image itself (or ZOOM IN) to see it in the original size.
Making the image smaller than the original on first viewing is making the images appear ragged and not anti-aliased. And not everyone will bother with the ZOOM and therefore, the image the artist uploaded is not portrayed as the artist wished it to be.
This is my concern also. I feel like I might have to plead with people to click on my work to see how it was meant to be. But this is typical with PHP galleries, at least the ones I've posted on. I really don't know how this can be fixed. To view the actual size images, you'll lose the comments area. Unless they can eliminate the "third" click (seperate window) and have the second "click" (the one with the comments) fill a scrollable area with the true image size (say 1024x768). Tough call. But it would be nice to have.
Doc000 posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 9:50 PM Online Now!
StaceyG:
You said the the comment count appears under the thumbnails. I'm sorry, but I've checked several images I know have comments on them and none of them show the number of comments. Clicking the thumbnail shows that the image does indeed have several comments, but it's not reported under the gallery thumbnail.
TerraDreamer posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 9:55 PM
Here's a good example, but any personal gallery has the same issue...
http://excalibur.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1235392
Until someone actually clicks on the image for the full view...blechhh! How many will actually click?
Incarnadine posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 10:05 PM
I know what you mean - nice work BTW.
Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!
musicat posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 10:32 PM
the feature to disable the avatars does not work.
rebelmommy posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 10:36 PM
Just a note.. as I am not sure if it was mentioned or not.. but I am not getting Ebots telling my my favorite artists have uploaded new images and a few of mine have since the change.. .. dont know if that is something that wont be happening with the new galleries or not.. and secondly.. after taking about half an hour to become comfortable with the galleries I have to say I really like them only 1 thing I dislike.. and that is that the images dont show at full size.. and as was stated previously.. this can cause some images to look not so pretty..LOL Over all I am pleased:)
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dialyn posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 10:50 PM
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dialyn posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 11:04 PM
The last of me...poetry looks even worse than prose.
I don't think I should have to learn CSS in order to post a writing piece properly.
Erlik posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 12:50 AM
How about some grammar and style checking? "Erlik has xx uploads since he or she joined" should be something like "Erlik has had xx uploads since joining". The proper tense and you avoid that awkward "he or she."
-- erlik
SusiQ posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 1:19 AM
The only problem I have seen is that when I look at the items in my gallery, the way it is set up is wrong (as shown in the pic attached), but I found I just go to the edit open and, without even changing anything, save it and the format comes right.
I like the thumbnails in the comments, makes them more personal.
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hewee posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 1:19 AM
I like the old layout better. Now if we come here and are looking at the gallery you have all the added clicking to get around. If I am at a page and just want to look at my gallery the link in the drop down used to be there on the right but not anymore. When you click to see the gallery you go to the first page but there is no link for the 2nd page so you have to click again and you get the same page again if you click "browse recent images" or "what's new" so more added clicking. Then I loved it when all you had to do was click a thumbnail and it opened in a new window and clicking it again it closed. Now you have to right click and pick open in new window and then go up to the X to close it. Plus the background color is a killer on the eyes. Then I get lots of pages that load just a page of code when I click on the next thumbnail page and then when I hit the back button it does not just go back because it is waiting and waiting for what ever. Then if I want to try and find a image I seen that is so many pages back I do not have the added number links to click on anymore so if I want to go back a 100 to 500 or what ever pages I now have even more clicking. Just way to much added clicking. Think of the load on the servers here with 2000 or people all clicking 2 or 3 times more then we need to. Then when you click on a thumbnail to see the image I like to be able to see the whole image. Or a option so we can control how it works. I click on the "My Home Page" link but it takes me to what says hewee's Home Page http://market.renderosity.com/homepage.php but it is no my home page and again I have to click the link there to get to my home page. Then when we upload a image the page is so long and you have all the added scrolling, boxes to check etc and I did not have the one newer option picked so had to go back and that takes time and I picked none and clicked to upload again but then had to go back again because going back the time before too the image name away so I had to fill that in again. I also don't think we should be able to delete comments. If we don't want comments then we can make it so no ones can post a comment but if they make one then it was because you asked for it. Now if it is bad then report it to the mods. I think the avatars are ok for the forums but not the gallery. If there is a avatars then I thing only the person who posted the image avatar should show up and we have option to turn this on or off. I can see from reading here I better delete all the cookies because I see post saying this or that are in my options but I do not see it or it was there and you took it away because your busy trying to get it to work right.
Gongyla posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 8:15 AM
What I like: it looks like all the adresses in my browser's bookmarks folders (artists, merchants, items,...) are still working. That is a relief. Although I like it less that a number is now replacing the artist's name. It was an easy way to know which link goes where.
What I find odd is that R. is still as slow as before. Having had to login several times can be a glitch, but slowness is a bad sign.
I would prefer personally to get the big picture directly, but I am on a fast connection, and many people aren't. So I guess it's better to take that intermediate step.
What I don't like is the "uploaded xdays, y hours, z minutes" ago instead of a simple date. It's great for a webdesigner to show that he can have time actively calculated by code, but I do not like to do the calculating myself.
As far as that nudity on the front page is concerned: I personally couldn't care less. Women will always be (luckily) the wet dream of most adolescents. But It would be great to be able to choose which gallery would open. And in fact you can (in Firefox): go to the gallery of your fancy and add it to the Bookmarks toolbar folder. You can even include a genre. Everything has a specific adress.
My conclusion: give us that promised speed increase, fix the login glitch and, if possible, the date, not the time data, and, after a bit of getting used to it, it'll be ok.
drawbridgep posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 8:29 AM
And another thing.....
If viewing an image you click on PROFILE it takes you not to a flashy new profile page, but to a page that doesn't use the new CSS, only has Public Wishlist and Fave vendors and a way to message the artist.
Will it eventually tkae you to the artist profile page? Will we have a profile page with bio's and such?
Also, there is an option to "Visit my community homepage" but that goes to the old server.
I understand this probably means it's a work in progress, but we kinda need to know what's being worked on, what's not complete, so we don't ask stupid questions.
Incarnadine posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 9:36 PM
Dislikes:
The mouse over pop-up in the gallery. Can we kill this?!!!
Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!
cherokee69 posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 9:49 PM
Quote - Dislikes:
The mouse over pop-up in the gallery. Can we kill this?!!!
I just noticed that this evening. Don't like it at all. As if the galleries aren't cluttered enough now as it is, they added that. It's a white box with very light blue text and I can't even read it. Either get rid of it or give us an option to disable it....PLEASE!!!!!!!!!
Doc000 posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 10:46 PM Online Now!
If you use the default style sheet, the little pop-up window is fine and completely legible. However, using a custom style sheet turns it into light text on a light background, making it completely useless.
Incarnadine posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 10:57 PM
Afraid I have a loathing for the ultra white default, so yes, I am using a CSS to fix that. Was very happy yesterday as to how the galleries were working (except for the resize instructions to browsers).
Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!
dialyn posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 11:19 PM
Well, I prefer light backgrounds to black (never saw a real gallery yet with black walls) , but I also don't like the pop ups. I don't know CSS and find it odd that there would be an assumption everyone does....it was nice to have check box options that didn't require it. It's a small thing, but it was nice to have a choice of left or right handed menus too.
On the other hand, it's not my site and if you like the look and you're paying the bills, what the heck difference does it make to me. I'm returning to lurker status. Take care all.
hewee posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 11:33 PM
Yes kill that mouse over. That is one thing I and others hate.
drawbridgep posted Thu, 15 June 2006 at 7:09 AM
At least have the option to turn it off. I can see what they were thinking when they added it, but the only line of really relevant information is number of view, comments and favourites. Which should really be under the thumbnail. Nes pas?
I do feel that we are concentrating on the disliked aspects and forgetting all the good changes they've made. I really appreciate that they are trying to make the gallery a better place. Better meaning quicker, easier to navigate and not so much uneeded junk. So thanks for the efforts guys, we appreciate it.
edit - just reread that and it sounds like I'm not sincere. Which I am. The Hot 20 is gone, which has to be a good thing.
Incarnadine posted Thu, 15 June 2006 at 7:12 AM
Good point Phil.
Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!
Ghostofmacbeth posted Thu, 15 June 2006 at 10:52 AM
The mouseovers are really really annoying. I think I spend half the time I am looking at the page trying to avoid the mouseovers, which makes for an entirely annoying experience.
StaceyG posted Thu, 15 June 2006 at 10:54 AM
I will talk with the programmers to see if its possible to make the pop up with stats an option
Doc000 posted Thu, 15 June 2006 at 11:31 AM Online Now!
If you would just put the important information under the thumbnails (i.e. view count, comment count, image dimensions, file size)...exactly like it was in the old gallery...there would be zero need for the popups. I don't understand why there's so much resistance on these issues...giving people the option to turn off/on which information they want displayed with the thumbnails would solve a lot of problems.
hewee posted Thu, 15 June 2006 at 3:10 PM
Another thing is the way the image is above or below. We can pick how it shows up when we upload. But would it not be better for us to pick how we wanr to see it so if we had a option in are profile then we can pick how they show up. It will be so mucj better because all the images would show up the same way we want and not the way the person that uploaded it wants. I think have all the images we look at show up the same way is better.