Our goal, as always, is to make as many people happy as is possible. As such, we will be substantially modifying the image resizing piece over the next week to operate as follows:

On upload, a transitionally-resized image will be created to supplement the image uploaded by the artist. This will be a high-quality image resized by our software, not by your browser. Also on upload, the artist will have the choice to choose how this image initially displays: full-size or resized.

Additionally, viewers will have the ability to choose between these three options: “Always show resized images regardless of artist preference”, “Show images according to artist preference”, “Always show full-sized images regardless of artist preference”. As is present already, viewers will be able to click on an image and view it full-sized.

We hope that this solution will be satisfactory to all involved and give everyone the options they need to have the best gallery experience. We really appreciate everyones suggestions and feedback regarding this issue. 

Thank you so much for your patience.  We will continue to strive toward making Renderosity the best Art site on the net! 

in other words... you've not listened at all.
fine. please don't lie to us by saying 'we listen' in future. I for one can't stand that.

We didn't listen to you? Khai, yes we did otherwise it would have stayed as it was. The option gives everyone the choice because a lot of members don't want to see 4000 x 4000 images so if we didn't give an option then you have another group upset because we are forcing them to look at HUGE images. I don't understand at all how you came to the conclusion that we didn't listen?

how many posts and threads saying they don't like it and please don't do it are there? it's been the main complaint for the last week.

thats why I drew the conclusion I have.

I've said enough.

And we made it an option and that was suggested in those threads.  We have always received complaints from users not liking the HUGE images and not wanting to see them that way so this compromise gives everyone a benefit.  I'm amazed that you say we didn't listen. We have to think about the whole community Khai and that is what we have done.

 

Ehhh...Khai...did you read the post?  Carefully?

EDIT: Thanks, Stacey! [and everyone else in the decision]

I've been one of the louder agitators on this issue, and I am satisfied by this solution.  I'd still be happier ramming my art down the viewers throats at full-sized regardless, but... well, that's not very friendly of me, now is it?  As you present this, it would seem that you are covering all combinations of desires.

I'm curious about the defaults, however, specifically for the viewer?  I would hope it will be "artists' preference", and allow users to then opt towards the two extreme cases, i.e. always small or always big.

You are very welcome. We thought this resolution would be best for everyone all around:)

 

 

artist pref: "Full-size" and viewing pref: "always show full size, regardless..." here!
I can work with this.

Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!

Question:  Will this be retro to existing images, or just new uploads once this is in place?

Retro I'm sure TerraDreamer

LOL @ TerraDreamer talking to Khai. This will be retroactive to existing images, but it might take a few days before all images have been changed. Defaults: All old images will be set to "Display resized." They can be edited and changed. Until changed, user preferences will be to always resize. The reason being is that the majority of Gallery users are happy. It may not seem like it from all the resizing threads, but in actuality the number of members complaining represents a relatively small percentage of the number of members using the Galleries. It will take only the click of a mouse to change the defaults, so they really won't matter. We just don't want to set it to "artist preference" then have all the users who ARE happy suddenly rush in here complaining about us taking away resizing and blowing up their pages, and our having to explain all of this to them again. N

-Nicholas

Thanks for the clarification. Will run through mine next weekend and reset to my desires.

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One last question: What's going to happen to those who loaded the galleries CSS to bypass what's existing?  Any possibility of something getting hosed browser-wise?

Thanks.

Yes. They will have to remove any CSS rules they have put in that alter the display of images. N

-Nicholas

I think it's the perfect compromise and thank all of you very much!

Ahhh. User options. Exactly what we have been clamoring for. I would have been happy with full-size only, as it was before, but this is even better. Good job guys!

I'll see what happens with my CSS mods.

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You're welcome!!!!

Quote - Yes. They will have to remove any CSS rules they have put in that alter the display of images. N

No prob...now if I could just remember exactly what those lines were, I'd do it now.

Where's PJF when you need him? LOL

I'm also happy with this, plenty of choices there!  :)  Thanks for listening guys!

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Quote - The reason being is that the majority of Gallery users are happy. It may not seem like it from all the resizing threads, but in actuality the number of members complaining represents a relatively small percentage of the number of members using the Galleries.

mmmm, not so sure about that.  How many threads were there saying how wonderful it was that images are resized?  ;-)

Anyway, I'll wait and see what you do and hopefully everyone will be happy.

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This is fantastic! Lots of options for everyone!

Great job!!

~Jani

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Quote - > Quote - Yes. They will have to remove any CSS rules they have put in that alter the display of images. N

No prob...now if I could just remember exactly what those lines were, I'd do it now.

Where's PJF when you need him? LOL

 

janet i've got it saved on email and i think that you can revert the changes with a click of the button.

Khai - at least you get 3 options as opposed to having one and admin putting cotton snuffs in their ears so they dont hear us -

Thanks guys for givng us those options, i'm sure there'll be more happy bugs around............. for those of us that do have galleries... its a much better option.

thanks Stacey and williamsn!!!!!!!!!

Something williamsn said and drawbridgep qouted is bugging me, so this is directed towards williamsn only. And it's said with utmost respect and no bad feelings.

I've worked a number of years in retail and one thing I know for sure. Just because some people don't voice an opinion when they are unhappy, it doesn't mean they aren't. Some just leave quietly without saying a word. Others may have felt that enough were stating their dislike so that they didn't have to. So since you (Rendo) are giving us such wonderful options, I plan on using one. The one that says to leave the image at the artists preference. I'm very curious to know exactly how many artists actually like their artwork being resized down from the  way  they intended it to be. After about a week, I'll go my personal preference which is to NOT have my images resized down. I also wonder how many will do the same.

drawbridgep,

Actually the way it usually happens is when members are happy with something you don't hear much about it in the forums but they contact us through email/site mail to say so. Throughout the years in the Community survey and just general email that comes through members have always complained about how some images are so big you have to scroll this way and that way just to see them.   Its always been a sore spot with a large number of viewers.

Quote - ...The reason being is that the majority of Gallery users are happy. It may not seem like it from all the resizing threads, but in actuality the number of members complaining represents a relatively small percentage of the number of members using the Galleries.

That's not really a good measurement since a minority of gallery users post to the forums.  You could have made any change and seen no more than 1% of the users complain in the forums.  Does that necessarily imply that the other 99% like the change?  Admittedly, the happy ones are far less likely to post, but you're making the unfounded leap from "silence = complacency" to "silence = approval". 

It's not a major problem for me, but in the interest of polling-theory, I would wager that if you made user viewing default to "artists' preference", you would see far less complaint in the forums than you have over the resizing to begin with.

But again, I'll be quite happy enough with the solution as presented.

Well some of this is based on over the years complaints in the Community Survey and communication from members regarding the large images in the galleries. I think quite frankly that members that are in favor of a change we made feel a little "scared" sometimes to post because they are worried about being a bit "flamed" so they feel more comfortable communicating privately and in the surveys. Just my opinion mind you:)

Stacey,

You went to bat for us artists that did decide not to fear the flames and complained.  You calmly and sweetly kept reassuring us that it was being discussed and our views were being taken into consideration. I was really happy to see that you did the official announcement because I feel....and this is my opinion....that you did the most to douse the flames and not let them be fanned than anyone else here during the last week since the conversion. For all of this.... I greatly thank you and sincerly respect you.

Janet

Oh you are so sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  You just made my week and this is why I love my job, thank you

Most people just need to be a given a choice and this seems like a reasonable solution to me. I'm extremely content at this point. Thanks for listening and doing your best to make everyone happy.

Very elegant compromise Stacey et al....Kudos...great job...yer worth the bux fer sure, I'd have gone homicidal by now ...LOL

 

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I  have been known to tell members that thier image would look a lot better  browser sized
I use 3  resolution settings in front of me and even at 1280x960 on properties, I still like images no larger that about 1000px.
Thanks for this option.

"The happiness of a man in this life does not consist in the absence but in the mastery of his passions."

Got to say this however: 4000x4000 px, and 512 Kb max filesize, those numbers don't go too well together. I usually upload at 1600x1200 px, and I almost always have to use a fairly strong JPEG compression to remain within the 512 Kb limit.

Got to admit that my images are filled with people, foliage, buildings, animals and the like. Doesn't compress as well as a large black studio background, so maybe it's just me.

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I'm thrilled not to have giant pictures I can't possibly view comfortably. While I'm not excited with the whole CSS thing because I don't know CSS and doubt if it's worth my while to learn it at this late date,  I might visit the galleries more often with reasonably sized graphics instead of those that I had to view in scroll mode a graphic eyeball at a time.

Thanks for helping those of us who hate the graint graphics because we don't happen to have large  computer monitors.

And it doesn't sound like it keeps those who do have the extreme equipment from still viewing it if that's what they want. 

I'll be picking "resize it, please."  Thanks!!!

When I start hearing the word 'Options', and especially a few of them, I perk up quite a bit. This sounds like a very fair way of dealing with the plethora of viewing preferences for everyone here. Now I just have to find the line of code for resizing the images and remove it...if I can remember which one it was. Laffs

This will at least allow each user to personally set their references to individual comfort and I believe ultimately this is the way to go. The only other aspect I considered with this change is the fact there will not be a standard that the images will be viewed as before. But, with all things considered, I'm quite happy with this resolve, and I'm glad it came to these considerations.

Thank you very much Stacey and williamsn for listening (laffs) and bringing this issue to a resolve and putting up with so much static, especially from me. =) If we didn't love this place as our second home, we wouldn't make such a stink. But sounds like we are going the right direction.

To svdl: I understand exactly what you mean with the compression problems by posting at 1600x1200 and adhering to the file limit, and from my very first post, I just don't do it. On Ulead's site there is a fantastic product, SmartSaver Pro, which has a wonderful algorthm that will compress very large images with very little distortions or gliches. I swear by SmartSaver Pro, and given our applications here, it's pricesless. It's also amazing for web graphics applications, as well. Hope this helps. http://www.ulead.com/ssp/runme.htm
 

 

Hi Stacey!

This is absolutely WONDERFUL news!  I can't understand the negativity in this thread when you gave us exactly what we asked for.  I just want to say thank you so much for listening to our issues and working to make change happen (see? change can be good people!).  All and all I like the new gallery set up a lot and this new set of options is the only big complaint I had left.  A

lso, thank you for spending so much time to swat flames and respond so quickly on the forums over the past week.  There has been some real downright nastiness that I've tried to avoid, and I feel that you guys at Rendo' have handled it extremely professionally.

I look forward to seeing how the rest of the site comes together through the transition. :)

~~Giolon

P.S. Props to the programmers and the rest of the people at Rendo' for going back and making things the way they should be.

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Quote - in other words... you've not listened at all.
fine. please don't lie to us by saying 'we listen' in future. I for one can't stand that.

They haven't listened????!!  That's not the impression I got from Stacey's message.

People complained that the image was automatically resized and was poor quality not reflecting the way the artist wanted their image viewed:

The following change is being made to accommodate that:

Quote - On upload, a transitionally-resized image will be created to supplement the image uploaded by the artist. This will be a high-quality image resized by our software, not by your browser. Also on upload, the artist will have the choice to choose how this image initially displays: full-size or resized.

What I get from that is now  the artist has a choice if their image is resized or not. Plus if they pick "resize", the image is of higher quality than it was when resized before.

Now, some people like myself can't set their resolution to more than 1024x768 so viewing really large images is an impossibility. I tried to view one that was 2500x2500 and I had to scroll up and down and left to right and couldn't get a feel for the image period. The only way I could see the whole image was by looking at the thumbnail which was supplied.  Was that the way the artist wanted their image viewed? I doubt it.

Here is the change for that:

Quote - Additionally, viewers will have the ability to choose between these three options: “Always show resized images regardless of artist preference”, “Show images according to artist preference”, “Always show full-sized images regardless of artist preference”. As is present already, viewers will be able to click on an image and view it full-sized.

So now the viewer, such as myself, who can't view really big images without having to scroll and scroll, will have the option to set our preferences  to view an image in a high quality reduced size so that we won't have to scroll up and down and left and right and we too will be able to view the picture as a whole image instead of an eyeball, an ear, a nose, a foot etc.  If we want to look at it full size and scroll up and down and left and right (which doesn't really allow you to see a picture as it's intended), then we can do so by clicking the image.

How you can say that they aren't listening is beyond me.  We all got what we wanted. And it's a perfectly reasonable work around for everyone.

As I said, I would hope that the artist wants people to look at their image as a whole, and not as bits and pieces that appear on the screen because it is grossly larger than what our monitors can display.

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Thanks, Acadia. You just made my week. Well, that and my new motorcycle. N

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Quote - Thanks, Acadia. You just made my week. Well, that and my new motorcycle. N

hehe  See? I can do more than complain and riot,  LOL

What kind of motorcycle?

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able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Honda Shadow Aero 750cc. I love it. Just got back from riding, actually. 'Bout to go to bed to get up and go to work again. G'night!

-Nicholas

Sleep well :)  Night

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able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
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Acadia, you made Nicholas' motorcycle and you don't know what kind it is? :b_grin: seriously, tho - this is good news - it sounds like the options will allow everyone to view the galleries in the way best for their particular systems, which is what HTML was all about in the first place - making information exchange device independant!

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Well, I thought I made this one, but guess not,  LOL  Hondas are nice too though. My brother used to have one. 

i just hope Nick wears a helmet!!!

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

ROFL @ Acadia. A'ight. Here ya go. N

-Nicholas

Thank you, Stacey, for going to bat for us on this issue. I would have been a little happier if the default setting for the viewer was "Show images according to artist preference" instead the showing the resized image by default. But this is a big improvement on where things stood last week and is a worthy compromise. Thanks again!

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Wow, a better result than I had even hoped for! Kudos to R'osity. Should go a long way to making everyone happy. Hugs for Stacey and erm... a firm handshake for williamsn.

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Quote - ROFL @ Acadia. A'ight. Here ya go. N

What?!! It's new and you aren't camped outside sleeping next to it?  LOL

Nice looking bike!  And the helmet?

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able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
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Good news! Thanks a lot Stacey and Nicholas, i can imagine that this was not a very plesant week, i think for all us. But in the end Rendo can listen and that's the most important thing! i'm preety happy with the final solution, everyone's flavor is served. Excellent!

Opsss i love my actual color scheme, time to remember the two lines of code that i need to "untweak"  LOL

Cheers

Ramón

If it looks as mere real life, then it don't worth the effort.

:thumbupboth: Thanks so much Stacey and the team . I am so pleased that I can have my images viewed at full size once the thumb has been clicked. At least this way everyone should be satisfied.

 

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Ok I think this is a kick butt solution. It gives into both sides of the spectrum. And to those of you who are still being unruly, even after Rendo has bent to our demand... geez, get a life. :tt2:

Quote - Additionally, viewers will have the ability to choose between these three options: “Always show resized images regardless of artist preference”, “Show images according to artist preference”, “Always show full-sized images regardless of artist preference”. As is present already, viewers will be able to click on an image and view it full-sized.

Where is the place that i can chainge this , i cant find it

Hettie

I can't either, the new layout is a bit baffling to me. The "edit my options" link when I am in the gallery doesn't have options to display pictures, where do I go to change it?

I visit one of the largest photography sites on the net; and it used to display all images at full size with an option to zoom out; then they changed it to "one size fits all". And that was that. Member input went unheeded.

All that to say... I truly appreciate all that you have been doing to accomodate us. In my impatience, I had forgotten that coding a site like this can be very complex, time consuming, even tedious. Changes for the better are always worth waiting for, but they cannot always transpire overnight.

When I read the post saying that you guys didn't listen, my mouth dropped... and I actually laughed out loud. I have to commend you, Stacey, not only for the professionalism of your response to that, but the sweetness of your demeanor. Your kindness shines through all you do, and I want you to know that it is visible, appreciated, and admired. The world could benefit from a lot more "Staceys".

To williamsn: Congrats on your new bike! Enjoy, be safe... and I envy you. lol

Thanks again everyone!! I love this site for good reasons!! :D

Quote - "The reason being is that the majority of Gallery users are happy. It may not seem like it from all the resizing threads, but in actuality the number of members complaining represents a relatively small percentage of the number of members using the Galleries. "

I personally think the resizing "options" is a great compromise.  I usually upload a size to just about fill most screens (yea!  artist option).  And I agree that not all peeps like the huge uploads.  I didn't have broadband when I started visiting R'osity, and sometimes I never viewed some of the art because of loooooooooonnng loading times.  I'd click a thumb and wait and wait and wait then abort because the file was so big.  I never complained because it was my slow dial-up,,, and,,, I think all would be surprised at how many viewers are not posting artist (example.. how many of you have had an image commented on and you tried to view their gallery only to find there wasn't one) 

In a nut shell, this compromise means "choices"  I think it is great.

Thank you Stacey and all involved 

Big Thanks!!!!!!!!!

sounds good Stacey. I never had a problem, but it's all about choice! appreciate the effort.

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Do i get this clear ...

The artist have options to give a preference to show his work fullsize always...

And the viewer can change it to no i wanna see it smaller .

I can set MY pref. to allways fullsize and dont need to click  for it a second time...

So i see a thumb in the gallery i like and ONE click and i see the FULLSIZE image?!?!

If thats the case ... NOBODY can say you guys didnot listen to us...

I as the artist can never say how anybody must see my image can i...

I as the viewer CAN see the image always in FULLSIZE ...

That ROCKS..

Just not sure if this involves a second click ....

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StaceyG wrote:> Quote -On upload, a transitionally-resized image will be created to supplement the image uploaded by the artist. This will be a high-quality image resized by our software, not by your browser.

   Stacey, I do have a follow-up question on this point. Is it a safe assumption on my part that whatever the script or algorithm or command (sorry, don't know the right term) you'll be using to direct your software to create the extra "resized" image, it'll first check the width of the artist's original uploaded image and if that is 700px or less, your software will do nothing? We wouldn't want extra .jpg compression added unnecessarily.

Obviously, one absolute control the artist can retain under this new gallery plan is simply to make their uploaded images smaller (less wide) themselves. That would ensure that viewers would ALWAYS see only the artist's original work. For example, several images in my gallery have a portrait orientation and are about 750px wide, so my choosing to use 700px myself wouldn't be a big change. But if Rendo's software is just going to alter it anyway, I'd lose that control plus I'd be wasting my time trying to make the original image 700px wide in the first place.

thanks for your help...

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Images will only be resized if uploaded larger than the max display size for that section. Otherwise they'll simply be copied. N

-Nicholas

Quote - I can't either, the new layout is a bit baffling to me. The "edit my options" link when I am in the gallery doesn't have options to display pictures, where do I go to change it?

yeah, I'm baffled by this too -- first it took me a long while to figure out that the "my options" link off of "any gallery page" goes to an options page which is different from the "my options" page that one gets to from the link on any forum page, but it didn't have anything about this "always view full-sized" option in either place... so my guess is that this is currently the plan but that it has not been implemented yet? in light of the confusion of where to find these options, is there any chance that a link to the gallery options can be put on the forum options page, and similarly a link to the forum options put on the gallery options page? both the forum options and the gallery options pages have links to edit one's avatar and profile. having options is nice. having them spread out across multiple locations is confusing.

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My dear fellow coders, dont forget to include code into the edit option into the galleries to avoid having an outdated intermediate version,

I understand that DAtabase applications can't be all the intuitive as the user would love, so a simple copy is more easy in resources than coding into the system a runtime size check and is a bad choice to have partial empty SQL files so the simple copy for small images is the best deal.

i just ask if the options aren't yet available into our galleries or this will be implemented in a near future?

Cheers

Ramón

If it looks as mere real life, then it don't worth the effort.

We're working on them, but it will be a few more days. N

-Nicholas

Thanks for this lovely feature.  I am thrilled to have it.  I hate scrolling to see images.  I just pray that it does not slow things down any more than they already are.

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Quote - I just pray that it does not slow things down any more than they already are.

How is this slow? They've been running really fast for the past few days. N

-Nicholas

Can't anyone tell me where to change this prefrence? I have been looking for ages and am about ready  to scream :-)

It doesn't exist yet.  They're working on it.

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Quote - > Quote - I just pray that it does not slow things down any more than they already are.

How is this slow? They've been running really fast for the past few days. N

Since the first day of the changeover my browser (Mozilla) has been crashing at Renderosity.  Many times I have to Ctrl Alt Delete to shut it down and start all over again.  Today seems to be running exceptionally fine, but there are times I spend an hour online to reply to one or two posts.  This does not happen at other sites like abovetopsecret.com which is also a large site, but loads much quicker for me and does not crash my Mozilla.

I realize that part of my system slowness is the fact that I am using AOHell.  They are a bunch of arrogant bastards when it comes to customer service.  I am trying to find a DSL or Cable  internet provider in my area of East Mesa, Arizona,  but it seems that nobody wants to service my area unless I pay a hundred bucks a month for bundled services. 

I am sorry if I have hurt your feelings.   I realize that I am an extreme minority now and everybody else is cruising the internet happiness highway while I am broke down along the side of the road watching the buzzards circling overhead while I ponder eating pieces of my own rotting flesh.

I keep hoping that some system guru will see my posts and respond with some magical internet setting that will catapult my internet experience into the 21st century.  I have upgraded everything on my machine to the tune of 300 bucks in the last month or so.  Now I am about to install the latest Creative Modem Blaster because my current modem does not have signed XP Pro drivers.

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Quote - It doesn't exist yet.  They're working on it.

Oh. LOL. Good. I thought I was going crazy. Turns out I just can't read :-)

OMG, you people just never listen -

Oh wait, somebody already used that line (it was a joke, wasn't it?).

That's a pretty comprehensive solution, it has to be said. The "artist preference" aspect tends to indicate more than just listening - there's actual creative thinking going on. At first it all seemed rather over-complicated. After all, the easiest solution (the one I was expecting) would be a straight "resized or full" option for the viewer. But giving the artist the choice of how her/his work appears on the presentation page, and the viewer the option of seeing the work on that page as the artist intended - well that's just leading edge gallery design - with art pulling.

You should never say never, but I doubt there's another online gallery offering that.

Once again, the wonderful, shambolic interaction between Renderosity and its membership has brought forth a hybrid flower that's prettier than anyone was expecting. It's easy to sneer and take the piss out of Rendo (hell, I do - I like an easy life); but there's still something about the place that makes it the place.

 

You crack me up PJF:)

Quote - No prob...now if I could just remember exactly what those lines were, I'd do it now.

Where's PJF when you need him? LOL

 
Oh, you want your money back now, eh? Don't want my steeenking code no more... ;-)

OK, if you have altered your CSS for displaying the full monty...

In the CSS where it says:
.gallery_display_image_cell
delete this: 
**width: auto;
**

where it says:
**.gallery_display_notes_cell
**delete this:
**width: 100%;
**and this (if present)
text-align: center;

where it says:
**.gallery_display_details_cell
**delete this:
**width: 20%;

**Only delete those bits - not one symbol more.

 

This will make your CSS as per the default as regards image resizing, whilst retaining any other changes you may have made.

To be ultra safe, you can simply go back to the Rendo default and then (re)add in any colour changes.

And thus was the rebellion put asunder.

williamsn wrote:

Quote - Images will only be resized if uploaded larger than the max display size for that section. Otherwise they'll simply be copied. N

Oh, okay, good...thanks!

Check out my full gallery at Cliff-Dweller Artworks

well, I will say one thing, you guys have turned me around a great deal.  I was quite upset... not at the change itself, rather the way it was implemented.  I already voiced my concern over areas of the site and I can safely say that I am impressed with the paitence you have shown to get the site to where it is now.  I am still waiting to see 100%, but as a site builder/designer, I know too well that may take a while.

I may not have agreed with the way things were working out, but I kept my mouth shut (this is actually my 4th post since this started) with the hopes that you would heed the comments/crits. of your customers... and you have.  I may not have spent as much money here or posted as many works, but I have done some of both and at least one comment is allowed.  I appreciate the time you have taken to reply to us... even the not so freindly ones.  I've been here since 2000 and haven't really had much experience with what goes on here until last year, so this is my first time with this type of change over.

I was mostly unhappy (like most people) about the gallery size, but I also knew that if this site truly cared for it's people, then something would change.  Am I happy that people will still want to veiw my work compressed?  Not entirely, but I do appreciate that I can turn that option off so that I may veiw other's works the way they intended.  I'm not lashing out at anyone who wishes to view the compressed images, that's thier own preferance, maybe two years ago I would have gone for it, but I run dual monitors at 1600x1200 and they are a real strain to see until I click zoom.

Anywho, enough of my banter and nagging.  Stacy, keep goin', I know how it feels to be the one with all fingers pointed at.  I have had a few site designs that people have said were just awful and ended up rebuilding them.  But they are my customers and I have to listen to thier needs.  As for the other guys, keep coding away, you got a lot more on your plate than I will ever have and I would not want to be in your shoes.  Thanks for putting up with all the bull$#!+.

Ok, i've vented long enough, cya later... we'll be watchin'...

IM just Gonna say this HERE...after my own repley to this Thread there have 15 more REPLEY's made by other people... i got NO ebots about them repleying to this topic!!!

SO ebots are not working good, missing 15 repleys is a lot.,or  its me and im not realy a member anymore or something like that..

I dont get an answer again... ill just stop asking things

somebody put that door back again where is was talking to from the start...................................................................................................................................................................

 

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Chris

 

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Well, I'm satisfied with this decision.

Now I can upload an image and see it (and any others I happen to have time to look at) at full size, while a friend of mine who prefers being able to see the whole image without scrolling (and uses a smaller screen resolution) can look at those same images and not have aliasing problems or needless scrollling.

Thank you for doing what many people didn't think you would, listening and considering the artist's position on the issue.

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If you're joking that's just cruel, but if you're being sarcastic, that's even worse.

Bar, we have tested this heavily and all the ebots are going out. I would say then that you have a problem in your email settings or something. I'm not trying to disregard what you are saying its just I and several others tested after changes today and all ebots went out.  Sorry:(

I get tons of ebots  ...thats why i think is so strange i dont get the repley ebots after 2 or 3 repleys.

and i always read the repley's.

I just got 2 ebots... but after that it usualy stops...

I gave the new image options a BIG thumbs UP ... the only question i had was ..if i still needed the second click to see the full version or is it diredtly a full version from the thumb when i make my pref's that way...  i still dont know.....  

Chris 

 

IF YOU WANT TO CONTACT BAR-CODE SENT A  PM to 26FAHRENHEIT  "same person"

Chris

 

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It will be the full version from the thumb if you set your preferences that way.

Now you know that the reply ebots work in the way that if someone replies you will get one reply ebot UNTIL you come back in here and that resets it? So like say If I was the first one to reply since you were in this thread last, then you would get one ebot saying I had replied, then if say three more people replied in this thread but you haven't been back to it yet, you won't get ebots for those replies, then once you do come in this thread again, it resets so you will get the next reply then starts all over. Does that help maybe explain why you might think you are missing some?

 

Stac

euh Ok  i get what you say .. i think its a bit dumb.. but do i rembember correctly when i say your gonna fix this to a way i get all repleys to the thread.. i can remeber something like that..

Because getting 2,3 repley's and then it stops is wierd .. not getting more ebots looks to me like nobody is repleying anymore and then i have to go to the site and check ALL the threads i've repleyed to for messages..thats the wrong way round is it not :}

But any way thnx for the answer to my image size Q.

And i do think when that when the sizing is fix the gallerys looks OK to me...

Chris

 

IF YOU WANT TO CONTACT BAR-CODE SENT A  PM to 26FAHRENHEIT  "same person"

Chris

 

My Free Stuff

Hmmm... artists can upload at their own preference and viewers can view at their own preference, sounds reasonable to me. I usually upload at 1024 x 768 ( average moniter resolution, these days), which shouldn't annoy to many people. Good job, Renderosity folk! (Roar of applause in backround.)

Bar,

I said they were going to fix the ebots at the THREAD level, the ebots at the reply level have been working the way we intended, it was at the thread level that there was a problem that has now been resolved so that you get an ebot for every new THREAD, not post:) hope this helps.

Thanks for this solution. I will be very happy with these options and their defaults, as long as the quality is ok! :) And it's great, that these changes will be retroactive!

Le cinéma substitue à notre regard un monde qui s'accorde à nos désirs. - André Bazin

I just wonder what will happen if I leave the auto code in there.  I presume it's going to display the images automatically based on their size, which are going to be displayed at their true size anyway, in which case the auto won't have an effect and need not be removed?

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Only one way to find out, Phil - and I'm gonna.

 

 And just a little reward for williamsn:

Progress? in 750cc bike design

 

That's what I was planning on doing (and if it went horribly wrong, sending an urgent IM begging PJF to HELP!!) (grin)

Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!

Hey, I might add a few more random lines in there and see what funky things I end up with.

/me has memories of his childhood science kit.    Surely I can't burn down another building?

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Phillip Drawbridge
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Just as I would have mis-givings about being in the same building as young Phil and his amazing junior scientist kit, do I want to be on the same site as adult Phil on a rampage with a loaded CSS?!

Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!

But hey, I just managed to get random signatures without the world ending.   You can trust me. 

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Phillip Drawbridge
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Take cover!

Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!

I just have one question: who the hell replaced PJF with a pod person, and how can we get the old one back? Is there a ransom demand thread I missed? (o0) Ok, that's two questions. Bite me. ;)

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"

• Monkeysmell

"Bite me. ;)"
Ok Ironbear! but a question first-
Given your tagline and past associations with the Legume, which one of us would need the disinfectant?
(grin)

Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!

You would need rabies shots afterwards. ;)

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"

• Monkeysmell

(grin)

Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!

Quote - ...who the hell replaced PJF with a pod person, and how can we get the old one back?

It seems a reasonable bet that the number of times I've been thrown out of here is more than the number of years you were a Renderosity moderator. I think I'm still ahead in the old street-cred game ;-). Your protestations are like Andrew Sullivan desperately trying to compensate for his earlier pro-war position (that grievous insult is in place of the old fashioned tirade of verbal abuse we could exchange in the good old days).

The gallery solution is cool, is it not? Regardless of the corporate posturing by Rendo.

Oh, and I'd like a younger one back please.

 

"It seems a reasonable bet that the number of times I've been thrown out of here is more than the number of years you were a Renderosity moderator. I think I'm still ahead in the old street-cred game ;-)" - PJF

If street cred's based on how often we've been booted, old chap, you're WAY ahead. I've never been banned from anywhere that I can recall. ;]p~ Heh. I remember when you got thrown out for complimenting a moderator. ;) Now you're... being.... helpful. Fess up. Where's the real PJF, and what have you done with him? > "The gallery solution is cool, is it not? Regardless of the corporate posturing by Rendo." - PJF

I haven't looked at it, so I'll take your word on the "cool". Aside from being amused watching the Corporate Posturing, I really don't have much interest in Rendo's galleries or their forums any longer. I'm just finding the member's reactions and the staff's responses passingly amusing. ;] [Not just Rendo: I seem to have very little interest in much of the various sites these days: rendo, Daz Forums, Poserpros, 3DC... where-ever. shrug] Hrmm... "PJF. Helpful." waitaminnit... you're setting Tim up for something, huh? Never mind - I'll get out of your way and wait for the eventual explosion - from a safe distance.

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"

• Monkeysmell

I've shouted about this issue also and IMHO you've reached a sound, sensible compromise that "should" keep everyone happy!

Now "THAT" would be a first!!!!             

Injustice will be avenged.
Cofiwch Dryweryn.

I really like the new format you have chosen..It's great and the site is faster now,.

Thank you

Michael

You On the internet AGAIN, Enough Screwing around get Back to WORK......ugh..
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Just wanted to add my thanks as well for the upcoming gallery options. I don't usually post much larger than 800x1000 but even that little shrinkage was making my images look jagged. I think this solution should work for just about everyone.

And also a thank you to Nicholas for the flickering thumbnail page fix as it has worked perfectly.

FlyByNight

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Any reason for this?    Yes, I am subscribed.  &  Yes, this is an ongoing issue for me across a subscritions on all threads.

Thanks in advance for checking on this.

Viking Lady

I posted this elsewhere, you may want to have a look!

Since the change over my E-bots have been finding their way into my spam folder, I have no "re-educated" my spam filter to let them through again!

Check it out, it may be that!

Injustice will be avenged.
Cofiwch Dryweryn.

PJF,

Thanks for posting the code again. Keep the money. No refund required. grin

Janet

As far as I can tell, the new gallery features work fine with my altered CSS. The resized images display properly (resized); the full-sized images display properly (full). Plus the artist notes are still in the middle instead of off to the side. Yay. I'll leave it in there and report any problems.

 

The new code doesn't exactly seem to work properly.

I've attached a screenshot of what I've been seeing with multiple images, unlike with PJF's script changes, the rest of the page doesn't resize to fit the larger image.

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If you're joking that's just cruel, but if you're being sarcastic, that's even worse.

Yep.... I'm getting what modus0 is getting.

Using Firefox and took out the CSS code PJF gave for resizing just before the change to the gallery.

Heh, I'm not getting that with the altered CSS. I feel kind of smug. Ironbear should be proud of me. :-D

It's Firefox causing it, I believe. I opened IE and it didn't do that.

Unicornst, I'll be fixing this soon. N

-Nicholas

Ah, it is related to Firefox, and it does happen in Firefox with my altered CSS.

Now I feel like a complete prat :-D. (see - it's still the real me, Ironbear)

 

(That reminds me, I must uninstall Firefox and start again with it. I made some 'speed-up' alterations to it suggested on a thread here somewhere and it's never worked properly since. That's why I've reverted to IE)

Aww, Nic.....Thank you!!!

I wasn't bothered a great deal by it because it does show the image behind it. And I could switch to IE, but my computer hates it for some reason. The few minutes it took me to check it in IE, my browser froze on me. LOL So it's really nice to know that it's getting fixed for Firefox. I love my Firefox! grin

Thank you again!!! 

Janet

I am I am. very proud. And I still think you're a pod person. Just a pod person that's a complete prat. ;]p~

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"

• Monkeysmell

Abuse! Ban him, somebody!

pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod
pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod
pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod
pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod
pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod-pod

 

Sorry PJF you are on your own here.

Just a situation update - It is still doing it in FF regardless of removing those parts of PJFs CSS code.

PODS UNITE!

Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!

I popped back to the stock CSS in FF and this is what I got.

Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!

and in IE6,

Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!

Not absolutely sure but I think the fix is on your end.

Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!

Further update- I have noticed that some images of the same image width, display with proper left justification, some display with a large offsett. Same CSS, any thoughts why?

Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!

Sounds like some good options..and should please (almost) everyone...and my other issues have been resolved too,so thank you very much...

Funny....I use Firefox and Im not seeing that....maybe its because Im not viewing in the same window..I have mine set to open a new window.

~Jani

Renderosity Community Admin
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I am openning into a new tab, will try the new window flag and see if it makes a diff.

Nope, no difference on the test image. New window opens fine.
BTW, my screen size is 1600x1200.

Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!

I just looked at about 12 diffrerent images in bryce/cinema/vue galleries - it varies whether the image is full left or offset. The ones with offset seem to hyave the off set frame centered on the page as though it was going to be a 700px wide resample image displayed.

Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!

Well thats just weird....I wonder if it has anything to do with the artists preferences or something?....I'll point someone to this thread ;)

Edit: Just curious..does this happen to your own images as well?

~Jani

Renderosity Community Admin
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Fixed. N

-Nicholas

Hands Nic his favorite take-out and drinks.

Looks like you are pulling another all-nighter.

V

Nope just got home from visiting Mom. I'm off to bed as soon as I feed the cats. G'night! N

-Nicholas

Woohoo Nic!  Sharp as a tack..must be dat new toy {so...how many bugs ya picked outta your teeth? ~hehe~}

~Jani

Renderosity Community Admin
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Looks good so far - Thanks!

Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!

Just meant to post my big "THANK YOU!" for the options provided!

I was following this issue and believed "options" would be the best solution, as many have asked for in the threads. So I'm really happy You did listen and completely kept up to our hopes and trust!

Excellent work!!!!!

Regards,

Stefano

Actually, the one anoying thing in the past was people uploading these 500kB images that could  easily have been compressed to about 100MB, without sacrificing pixel size and pixel quality.  There is no reason why a typical 600 x 800 pixel image should be more than 120kB, and still look good and sharp.

"An Example is worth Ten Thousand Words"

Quote - Actually, the one anoying thing in the past was people uploading these 500kB images that could  easily have been compressed to about 100MB, without sacrificing pixel size and pixel quality.  There is no reason why a typical 600 x 800 pixel image should be more than 120kB, and still look good and sharp.

It's a broadband thing. There's a tendency not to bother to be aware of dial-up delays anymore. An update to Parkinson's Law for the IT age could be, "Filesize expands to fill the bandwidth available for its download" (Bloater's Law?)

So although it's faster, it just as slow in the long run ;o)

**"Bloater's Law"...**I love it...will credit you when I steal it, heh heh heh....but you are quite right...I have a small computer and even with DSL it sometimes get's very cranky with huge images. 

 

Once in a while I look around,
I see a sound
and try to write it down
Sometimes they come out very soft
Tinkling light sound
The Sun comes up again

 

 

 

 

 

I'd like to know why, when we go to the galleries, there is a What's New page and then to get to a page for page numbering, you have to click Recent Uploads that is EXACTLY the same as What's New. Seems a little redundant to me. Why not just have the Recent Uploads page?

Well this page was originally the page that had the "Todays most viewed, Todays most commented, etc on it and when there was so many thumbnails with lots of nudity, we hide those other sections and left just the Whats New. We are fixing this where you can click page two from that page and then keep going:)

Kinda says something about the gallery audience, methinks. ;-)

 

Quote - Well this page was originally the page that had the "Todays most viewed, Todays most commented, etc on it and when there was so many thumbnails with lots of nudity, we hide those other sections and left just the Whats New. We are fixing this where you can click page two from that page and then keep going:)

Stacey,

Not sure what your meaning by "fix" but instead of wasting all that time to "fix" something, just delete the What's New page and let the Recent Uploads page be the opening page for the gallery.

Typically I can get a good quality for a 1280x1024 image under 275 kb. never could figure why some small files were so big sized. I like that bloater's law!

Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!

Until BROADBAND is affordably available to everyone, noone should assume everyone has it.

As for NUDITY... those who think nudity is more dangerous than violence, death and gore should just be able to block all nude images from displaying in their browser with a simple button.

"An Example is worth Ten Thousand Words"

Quote - Until BROADBAND is affordably available to everyone, noone should assume everyone has it.

In many U.S. markets, dial-up is actually priced higher than DSL.  Perhaps you meant to say "readily" available.  According to Nielsen/NetRatings, nearly 75% of U.S. households now use some form of high-speed broadband, which is up from 57% just one year ago, likely due to introductory pricing.  The remaining holdouts are those who are so remote as to not have broadband (and Satellite Internet install and the monthly fee is rather high) and people on AOL dial-up who have never even heard of broadband, but don't really require it because all they do is e-mail their kids twice a month.  Not to say AOL users are idiots, I use them as the example as they do have the largest share of dial-up users.  Of course, there are those on the low end of the tier where all they can afford is butchered 56k Internet at $9.95 a month.  But honestly, I can't see these discount ISPs having much life left.

With 28% and dropping of users at only 56k, it is rather difficult to remember those at such speeds and this is why you see image sizes growing much larger.  One tends to become spoiled rather quickly.  A 512k image is nothing to a DSL, cable or FiOS user.

Regards,

Steve

 

I would be ashamed to post a 512kb jpg image even for my 1600x1200 originals. Sloppy. (personal opinion)

Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!

Quote - I would be ashamed to post a 512kb jpg image even for my 1600x1200 originals. Sloppy. (personal opinion)

I would agree, but at the same time, I would be concerend about how many users' cards and/or screens can support  1600x1200.

That's why I upload at 1280x1024.  (typically run from 150 to 270Kb) - btw I am on dial-up. No bandwidth limit, 24/7 and one flat fee local access from all of North America. Works a treat when I travel for work.

Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!

Has it been addressed in this some of these pages how when I choose to look at the gallery images at their original large size - the words written by the artist under the picture jump to the left in a very narrow column.

I have always had my links column for renderosity in general on the right hand side of the screen.  Does this have anything to do with how the words under the gallery images are appearing?

I am really pleased to find a way to view the pictures without having to click and resize and click to close.  This is a great relief.  Thank you very much! Now just to find a way to deal with how the words appear. 

I do have my script set to show larger font sizes in the forum and gallery area because otherwise I cannot read it.  That may be the other reason that the artist's words get scrunched up?

Oh and thank you also for having an option to turn off the silly balloon pop ups over the thumbnails.  :-)

Life Requires Assembly and we all know how THAT goes!

If you are willing and able to edit your gallery CSS then it is possible to have the artist's notes centred (almost) in relation to the image. Details are in the "Gallery alternative CSS Schemes" thread (currently sticky).

 

Stacey, William, other Rosity folks,

A belated thanks for your elegant compromise on the resizing/thumbnail issue. I think your solution is quite good. Thanks for taking our concerns into account.

Best,

LinkDink

Gallery

I know this is a bit late in the discussion but it seems to me that if someone comes to an art site, they should see the art the way the artist creating the art created it. Not resized or otherwise altered. 

 

Just my two cents......................

 

P.S. I still hate just about everything with the new changeovers, so forgive me if I sound cynical, jaded, or miffed.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" ~George Orwell