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STOP PALESTINIAN CHILD ABUSE!!!! ISLAMIC HATRED OF JEWS

Thanks. I put em' all in a 2ndSkin made for James and from what I see on Kelvin's Neck, they're not gonna be wearing the same 2ndSkin suits either. I just ran them all through FaceOff's Real Skin Shader for the same image. Not too bad.

Jame's New Detachable Penis doesn't conform properly out of the box and has to be scaled down to draw it up to his hip properly. It does have more built in morphs however which is a big plus and it's much more poseable being a separate figure now.

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Maybe **Mizrael**, but I hate elitism in any form. It has NO place in a society where 'all men are created equal.' Franklin had much the same objection to the 'Society of the Cincinnati.' David P. Hoadley

David, You're taking this too personal and too seriously. If you've just got a chip on your shoulder about elitism, could you please start your own rant thread about it rather than taking over this one please?

Why, when I'm having so much fun here?
DPH

STOP PALESTINIAN CHILD ABUSE!!!! ISLAMIC HATRED OF JEWS

Mizrael - is the new James figure out for Passport members? Just wondering if your info about his new detachable danglies is first hand?

If he's out for Passport members and not the general public I'm going to be annoyed. I've been waiting months for them to fix his fingernails (amongst other problems, but this is the one bugging me most.)

And do you know if original James texture maps fit him? (If not, I'm going to cry... Been working for so long on a texture pack...)

"you are terrifying
and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan Shire

I tried, lord knows I've tried to warn folks but does anyone listen.... NOoooooooooooooooooooooo! "G2 figures are coming so don't invest any more into the older figures" Folks told me to shut up (basically) that the older figures were fine. No they weren't, they had so many issues it was not even funny. The money that was spent to support them was a waste as far as I was concerned but HEY sometimes that's just the way it is.... I guess. Fantasy Art, Mikidoll and so many other character packs for Miki, Jessi and James are no longer of any use... currently. Perhaps these artists are busy creating those updates but perhaps they are not going too. I don't know ....... The textures that James could wear do NOT work with the new James at all!! So I guess go ahead and have a good cry hon. They claimed that the figures could wear each others textures but that's not even true. The body, yes, the face NO! I tried using Koji and Kelvin's texture maps on James with no luck. I tried to load up James Massive Morph and texture and nothing happens. I tried loading up Jepe's textures that he did for James, that loads but boy WHAT a mess that was to behold! So.... no, it's all about starting from scratch. There was mentioned in a thread a while back when all of this was being discussed that some merchants were going to do free updates to their packs to fit the new G2 figures (textures, clothes, shoes, hair and textures packs for all that) but some merchants stated they would only give a discount. I don't blame them, really but as far as I'm concerned there is NOTHING much that works with the figures as of this moment in time. Oh, and YEA, this is a preview for the Passport members. I'm sure they knew we would not keep this to ourselves so it's their own fault for this! We wanted them NOW, NOW, NOW and we got them. James is the only figure I bothered to load up and he IS much improved in many ways but his pants shred when they are posed with him in what is considered extreme poses. Poses that boys on skate boards would do the pants don't want to do that, they just shred up. I didn't check the fingers too much but I did notice the toes were a bit strange. The arm in an extreme bend does strange things too and please spare yourself the trouble of seeing how well he morphs..... the combo morphs are not pretty. His back looked a bit like waves attacked his shoulders and upper back. I do allot with heroes and gods and goddesses so keeping him in his lean form is not what I want or need from him so he's gotta have a bigger than life kinda form but currently, unless they have lots more planned, it's not going to work for me! Oh well, I can't complain too much, they were free!! Richard ;-)~

---Wolff On The Prowl---

STOP PALESTINIAN CHILD ABUSE!!!! ISLAMIC HATRED OF JEWS

"If he's out for Passport members and not the general public I'm going to be annoyed."

As fo myself, enough said. The rest of you can enjoy your exclusivty.
David P. Hoadley

David it's nothing about exclusivity. It's a thing you pay to be a member of.

Please spare me that rant. It's a benefit for MEMBERS and anyone is WELCOME to be a member. It's not like anyone is singled out. As long as you pay, you're in. Just like a restaurant. If you pay, you can eat. So that's elitist too for not allowing everybody to plunder the buffet?

Now I wonder why I haven't got any notice from CP about the new characters :huh:

David be glad we have the exclusivity! That means YOU don't have to be an unpaid betatester for EF and CP like those of us who are "Paying" for such a privilege! Yeah I've loaded all three figures now and all three have different issues. Weee! I got the figures on Saturday so I get to spend the rest of my weekend finding fault where there shouldn't be so many!

Detachable Penii that don't load properly on James because someone saved them into the library improperly with morphs turned on so they don't fit his default figure (I had to run the ZeroMorph.py file to get them conformed properly before resaving them to the library). Koji's look half invisible in Preview mode as if they had reversed normals but they don't. Kelvin's are misnamed and there's a spare incompletely textured KelvinG23.cr2.txt figure in Kelvin's folder.

Yeah, we're elite! What fun doing BetaTesting! Oh Joy, Oh Rapture. None of the older textures work. We knew that was coming. However, inspite of RAM's remark about them being a waste of money, now, that's not true. You can still used the original textures, morphs and addons on the original figures. None of the originals suddenly stopped working for me so all their add-ons are fine... for them.

TG there hasn't been any special Email announcement. You'd only know about the release if you were hanging round their forums with baited breath like the rest of us. Hehe...Glad I went to see a movie today instead! My Super Ex-Girlfriend was hilarious!

Please spare me that rant.
Why? Name me one good reason.

It's a benefit for MEMBERS and anyone is WELCOME to be a member.
If you can afford their fees, that is.

It's not like anyone is singled out. As long as you pay, you're in.
Exactly. And if you can't afford it, or the currency laws of your country won't allow it, you're out!

Just like a restaurant.
Wrong! Exclsive Gentleman's Club is more like it.

So that's elitist too for not allowing everybody to plunder the buffet?
Unlike a buffet, freebies aren't of a finite quantity that can be downloaded ONLY so many times. Frankly, I fond the coupling of the term 'Membeship' and 'Freebie' in the same sentance to be fraught with naught but the most hypocritical of Oxymorons!

David P. Hoadley

STOP PALESTINIAN CHILD ABUSE!!!! ISLAMIC HATRED OF JEWS

I'm kind of siding with David here. I don't mind the new figures and Koji and Miki being previewed to passport peeps, but Jessie and James came with Poser 6 and I just think they should be released to all.

I am really pissed off about the textures. I started this pack months ago before I even heard about G2 coming out so I guess it's my own fault for dragging my feet. But still...

:b_crying:

OK, I feel better now. I'll just cross my fingers that the mapping is better than the original figures, because part of the reason it took me so long was because of James' insane mapping, especially around the family jewels.

"you are terrifying
and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan Shire

**Mizrael** - I downloaded mine about 6 hours after they were released. So it may have been fixed inbetween but Genetals conformed to James ok for me (to both versions of James.

So CP are still releasing stuff full of errors you'd think they'd get it right for these.

Richard - I 'm not surprised the textures don't fit. When the original annoncement back in April promised improved UV and bending, I expected nothing from the original figures to work.

Are all the included poses really designed for the new figures they were included before (weren't they around in poser 5) and I never got perfect results with the original James either.

Whats the difference with the advanced and basic figures - which one were you using for your tests. (The only difference I've noticed is they don't pose the same - see screen capture I used the same supplied pose on each figure)

TG well put. I feel David is not coming across to me in a good light. I had initial doubts about affording the Passport, but when I paid for it it was less than $30 and has paid for it self easily now. I presume David does not download the excellent weekly freebies at CP if he feels that way about them - His loss if so.

PS. I got notice of the release by subscribing to the announcements forum at CP

Quote - I'm kind of siding with David here. I don't mind the new figures and Koji and Miki being previewed to passport peeps, but Jessie and James came with Poser 6 and I just think they should be released to all.

G2James (and GJessi) will be free to all Poser6 owners

G2 Koji will be free to all who bought the original

Kelvin is free to all Passport members the rest will have to pay.

This is just a preview before the official release - question is when that will be - any Ideas any one?

It'll take a little while to get used to the site redesign, but that doesn't look bad. I expect I shall pick up the updated James and Jessi, and Miki if available Terai Yuki. too. But I wonder what all this will mean for Wardrobe Wizard support?

Quote - Please spare me that rant.
Why? Name me one good reason.

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rants are generally a waste of breath. What do you think will change from this?

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It's a benefit for MEMBERS and anyone is WELCOME to be a member.
If you can afford their fees, that is.

Well as in every other aspect of life: If you can't afford it, too bad. I'd like a Porche. But I can't afford that. Should I rant at every Porche owner then?

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It's not like anyone is singled out. As long as you pay, you're in.
Exactly. And if you can't afford it, or the currency laws of your country won't allow it, you're out!

Ah. We agree!

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Just like a restaurant.
Wrong! Exclsive Gentleman's Club is more like it.

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Nope a restaurant allright. If you've got the money, you're allowed in. No discrimination.

As for currency. Well that's another matter but AFAIK you can even pay by money order and they're international last time I looked.

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So that's elitist too for not allowing everybody to plunder the buffet?
Unlike a buffet, freebies aren't of a finite quantity that can be downloaded ONLY so many times. Frankly, I fond the coupling of the term 'Membeship' and 'Freebie' in the same sentance to be fraught with naught but the most hypocritical of Oxymorons!

Er.. what has freebies to do with this? There are LOADS of Poser sites that offer stuff for a limited period only. Are they elitist too?

And for the record: THIS SITE is a membership only site as well. You can only download the FREEBIES here if you're a member. So Rosity is elitist as well because it requires you to sign up?

And I like how you avoided mentioning DAZ and PoserWorld. The uber-elitist sites I guess.
David P. Hoadley

"I hate elitism in any form. It has NO place in a society where 'all men are created equal."

lol. some people are so funny.

wake up dreamer

Like RamWolf, I tried to warn you about the new figures. Nothing of the old would work with the new. Not our fault you believed the, "you know what kissers." that harassed us for saying such things and telling the truth about how bad the rigging was of the old.

Now that I have DL these new versions, I can see why all the promo shots were done with dark lights. Put a normal light on them and the actual mesh shows even with smoothing turned on. Take a good look at the arms and legs.

So here we are beta testing again. Hope some of this gets fixed instead of being told to wait over another year for G3 versions. I'm a bit disapointed. We were told they were going to be the new standard of figure creation. What happened.

Quote - Please spare me that rant.
Why? Name me one good reason.

It's a benefit for MEMBERS and anyone is WELCOME to be a member.
If you can afford their fees, that is.

It's not like anyone is singled out. As long as you pay, you're in.
Exactly. And if you can't afford it, or the currency laws of your country won't allow it, you're out!

It is not content paradises fault if your country won't allow you to trade. From your arguements I take it that you would believe that merchants who sell in the renderosity market place are also elitist for selling their products there. You can't use [insert here your latest favorite product] unless you can purchase it. With out those sales would these forums be what it is today?

Are you really saying the artists should not be paid for their work. Surly your not condoning warez?

Quote - Like RamWolf, I tried to warn you about the new figures. Nothing of the old would work with the new. Not our fault you believed the, "you know what kissers." that harassed us for saying such things and telling the truth about how bad the rigging was of the old.

I'm probably missing some nuances here... trouble on the CP forums?
At any rate - I haven't done any work on the pack since you and Ram talked about it in here the other week. Unfortunately, I'd already put in 8+ week's work on it. So thanks to you guys for at least saving me a fortnight's work :-(

"you are terrifying
and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan Shire

Previewing the figures is a privilege of membership; why that is a problem is beyond me, and I'm as "anti-elitist" as any sane person on the planet. Calling not giving to the poor things others pay for is a bizarre definition of elitism. Given the peculiar definition of "charity" tossed on the table elsewhere, I guess it's a vocabulary thing. Why CP should give away things they have an investment in, utterly escapes me. What sort of economic system is that, where "barter" consists of giving you things, regardless of need?

Anyway. i hope the CP "preview" is a beta. I'm reaching the end of my patience with e-F, CL, CP, and Poser. This is neither rocket science nor magic nor a family hobby. I'm tired of paying for pretty junk, and being given slightly fixed junk doesn't cut it. It doesn't have to be like this, as Carrara showed before Eovia sold out to the Happy Valley. (Look for a "We're rilly trying, and that's a personal promise" upgrade one day, so buggy it will be a beta when your children retire.)

M

I do like the new website, looks cool. Could care less about the G2 figures, I'm not investing into any figures anymore, got too much already.

I'm fine with CP showing it to Passport members only, but I do get annoyed a bit with the way the CP staff keeps on posting news and pictures on the general forums that link to the Passport only section. They should really stop that, I really don't need to know what's going on in the Passport forums.

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Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
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Karen, was just a general statement.

I don't understand why it is a problem for paying members to get a few perks. After all, we did pay for it.

Yes, I understand that Beryl, and I certainly don't begrudge you getting the new figures first, or the updates to the commercial figures.

What I do find wrong is that an update to fix problems in the Poser 6 figures - which we ALL paid for when we bought the program - is being delayed to those of us who haven't paid extra. I wouldn't expect to have to wait to have access to SR3, and I was told by CP that some problems I'd raised with James would be addressed by this "update". Perhaps that gave me the wrong impression - as it seems to be now being put forward as "new" figures rather than updates to fix functionality. If that's the case, then I suppose I can't complain.

I'm only really grouchy because of the work I've put in on this character, anyway. I guess I'll just stop bitching, zip it up and await the new release to the general public... and start work on something else.

"you are terrifying
and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan Shire

Can anyone tell me if these new figures are indeed unimesh as promoted earlier on?

How do you get into CP? I can't find anything clickable in the flash on the front page.

I am bummed out that the textuires for the original James don't work for the new one.

And I do not really see much difference between the versions. I really like the Thomas texture I have. It is one of the mnost realistic and expressive characters I have seen.

Can anyone explain why we have a "basic" and another version of each???

Quote - How do you get into CP? I can't find anything clickable in the flash on the front page.

It automatically changed for me try this link

Quote - Can anyone explain why we have a "basic" and another version of each???

The advanced is divided into extra body parts compared to the basic version. There's a waist and buttocks at least. I only noticed because they both behave differently when applying the same pose

Quote - Can anyone tell me if these new figures are indeed unimesh as promoted earlier on?

They are not Daz unimesh figures ad I don't think anyone from EF/CP has called them such. They do sahare the same mesh (for the body at least not sure about the head)

Quote - I do like the new website, looks cool. Could care less about the G2 figures, I'm not investing into any figures anymore, got too much already.

I'm fine with CP showing it to Passport members only, but I do get annoyed a bit with the way the CP staff keeps on posting news and pictures on the general forums that link to the Passport only section. They should really stop that, I really don't need to know what's going on in the Passport forums.

For what it's worth I'm NOT a CP Staff member, I'm a Passport Member and had totally missed the fact that what I was linking to was in the Passport Member Only portion of the forums.

As far as I know, the "Full Release" will be on Monday still or they lied about the G2 males being released in July. This weekend pre-release of incomplete and unfinished "Preview" figures was just to appease a lot of us bitchy Passport Members. We got what we paid for too!

Karen - For what it's worth, SOME of us are still buying new things for the original James and wouldn't mind a peek at your textures in a render! As for them not giving a sneak peek of James to EVERYONE, well then it wouldn't be a Preview now would it?

"They are not Daz unimesh figures ad I don't think anyone from EF/CP has called them such. They do sahare the same mesh (for the body at least not sure about the head)"

Let me rephrase,, Are they welded(unimesh) as promoted in an earlier thread?

They aren't Unimesh. The very fact that the head textures are different on all three figures and not interchangeable as we were led to believe they would be is a clincher.

You flash your membership badge to the liveried servant at the door, and then you give the secret codeword and handshake to the marshal that comes to greet you.
DPH

STOP PALESTINIAN CHILD ABUSE!!!! ISLAMIC HATRED OF JEWS

Quote - You flash your membership badge to the liveried servant at the door, and then you give the secret codeword and handshake to the marshal that comes to greet you.
DPH

ok you've made your point . now your're starting on Trolling.
enough already.

Thanks Mizrael

What'd I do now?

Hey!

You're Superman!!! Whatta we know? LOL

LOL! That's Super James G1! I only WISH I could fly outta here! Hrmmm... I wonder if that 2nd Skin texture will fit the new James G2 2ndskin... runs away to find out....

What?! Me?! A Troll?! Perish the thought, I don't even speak Swedish.

on a more serious note, expressiong opinions of less than overwhelming entusiasm or endorsement over a particular threads subject matter does not mean I'm a troll. Maybe a curmudgeon, but not a troll.
David P. Hoadley
Another untroll like trait of mine, is that I have not posted anonymously.

STOP PALESTINIAN CHILD ABUSE!!!! ISLAMIC HATRED OF JEWS

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This is what I was working on...

I'll see how things go, maybe make a J1 and J2 version available. It'll depend on the new mapping, largely.

"you are terrifying
and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan Shire

Nice looking change to the CP web site at least from a not loged in perspective. They are rewraping their self presentation nicely in time for siggraph. It looks like a lot of work went into it. It sure is going to be interesting to see what they've done with the G2s.

My brain is just a toy box filled with weird things

Quote - What?! Me?! A Troll?! Perish the thought, I don't even speak Swedish.

on a more serious note, expressiong opinions of less than overwhelming entusiasm or endorsement over a particular threads subject matter does not mean I'm a troll. Maybe a curmudgeon, but not a troll.
David P. Hoadley
Another untroll like trait of mine, is that I have not posted anonymously.

except you made your point in your first post. you then carried on belabouring said point over and over and over.
plus, I don't see you complaining about other places that use the same commerical model. examples : Gold Clubs, Costco, the Daz Plat Club, Gentlemen's Clubs, Religions, Polictical Parties, Country Clubs and the Freemasons. only the one.

I do hope you understand why I consider your behaviour to be verging on trolling.
but we won't be speaking again. (so please don't bother wasting the power to reply.)

Daz Plat Club isn't entirely the same. The people in the members only section party naked and roll around in popcorn.
:b_tonguewink:

My brain is just a toy box filled with weird things

karen1573,

Ian is coming along nicely. His mouth/ lip/ beard area really seems "hyper" real. Will he be a super hi res texture? It's also nice to see "eyesocket" and "lacs" blend into the face with a simpler map (than M3).

> Quote - This is what I was working on... > > I'll see how things go, maybe make a J1 and J2 version available. It'll depend on the new mapping, largely.

The new mapping isn't that far off from the old mapping. except at the hands, feet and seams. If you're skilled enough to do what you've done so far, you shouldn't have any trouble with the new mapping in my guestimations.

I'm going to have to do some work on the VF output for James however to make it workable with the new G2 guys. His boots don't line up with their feet when applying the old VF poser for James to the new figures. I'll have to create new VF poses for the G2 guys to wear the boots. Here's a shot of Kelvin wearing a pair of VF Bellbottoms and a tank top made for James G1.

My take on this is that the CP Passport members get to beta-test - I don't think that I'd like to pay for this priveledge... ;P That is, unless the idea is to actually 'beta-test' - the users get to provide feedback and bug reports which are considered and fixed before actual release. Is that the case?

Otherwise, have fun! :)
Robert

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Thank you richardson, that's high praise from a master of realism like yourself :-)
He is not hugely hi-res - his head is only 3009x2000 - but I put a lot of work into the bump map, and I've been fiddling with shader sets to match the lights.

Thank you Mizrael, except the hands and feet are always the fiddliest bits. Oh well, I'll just put it all on the back burner for now until I can get my hands on the new J2 and assess the situation.

"you are terrifying
and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan Shire

Quote - However, inspite of RAM's remark about them being a waste of money, now, that's not true. You can still used the original textures, morphs and addons on the original figures. None of the originals suddenly stopped working for me so all their add-ons are fine... for them.

Uh, please don't misquote me. That's not what I said at all! :closedeyes: What I said was that none of the offerings from the old figures works on the new G2 figures. Since the old figures have so many flaws I wasn't using them for much, if not at all and that I considered it a waste of MY money to have invested so much. I went on to say that HOPEFULLY the merchants will come through with updates, free or reduced in price. I wasn't trying to tell folks to NOT buy but was warning them that when the new figures hit that support for the older ones will drop off and the newer ones will over take so why bother buying up a bunch of stuff for the old figures when you will eventually prefer the newer ones for what they have to offer. In so many words...... Richard :tongue2:

---Wolff On The Prowl---

Quote - This is what I was working on...

I'll see how things go, maybe make a J1 and J2 version available. It'll depend on the new mapping, largely.

Karen, I would do your best to get that transfered to the G2 James because you would have a sale from me, that's for sure. What a cutey!! WOOF! Richard ;-)~

---Wolff On The Prowl---

Quote - Daz Plat Club isn't entirely the same. The people in the members only section party naked and roll around in popcorn.
:b_tonguewink:

Uh... Eeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwww!! :scared: I don't think I would want to see most of my forum mates running around naked ANYWHERE!! :scared:

---Wolff On The Prowl---

euh...whats the fuzz about ... nobody uses poser original figures anyway...

when hew come out its all ohhh and ahhhh and the they go back to v3 m3 Apollo etc etc....

it was just before the new poser figures came with p6 or was it p5 ... ohhh ahhhh ..okay where did i put V3 ...

I dont mind passport members having the first look....

for now i say to the new Poser figure Nein danke, no thanks, lo toda raba, nee dankje....

Chris

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Quote - > Quote - However, inspite of RAM's remark about them being a waste of money, now, that's not true. You can still used the original textures, morphs and addons on the original figures. None of the originals suddenly stopped working for me so all their add-ons are fine... for them.

Uh, please don't misquote me. That's not what I said at all! :closedeyes:

I do believe I got the I got impression because your exact words were:

Quote - The money that was spent to support them was a waste as far as I was concerned but HEY sometimes that's just the way it is....

Some of us DO use those original figures and calling them a waste of money comes across as just that, a discouragement to others not to use them. Some of us have even been buying addon's and support right up to this recent G2 release for that very reason. We can and do get to make use of the money we've spent. In anycase, it wasn't a "Misquote", a missunderstanding of your exact meaning maybe, but it wasn't a misqoute.

OK, your right, I'm wrong and all's well...... That's me being a martyr, fun huh!! :biggrin: Hey and if y'all want to use figures that are messed up one way or another, that's fine by me! Truly, I would love to make use of Miki, I really like her but her forearms are just a mess and that's a TOTAL turn off for me as I do allot of expressive poses! The new G2 James has NO ELBOWS when he's made to "flex" his biceps. Take a look at that will you? This is better?? :huh:

---Wolff On The Prowl---

Quote - And do you know if original James texture maps fit him? (If not, I'm going to cry... Been working for so long on a texture pack...)

Karen, don't worry - just because new figures come out doesn't mean the old ones stop working. And for the time being, there will be more users of the original James (= every P6 owner) than of James G2 (only the P6 owners who download the udpated figure).

So it looks like I'll be sticking with V3 and M3 then!!!!!

Injustice will be avenged.
Cofiwch Dryweryn.

Quote - OK, your right, I'm wrong and all's well...... That's me being a martyr, fun huh!! :biggrin: Hey and if y'all want to use figures that are messed up one way or another, that's fine by me!

Truly, I would love to make use of Miki, I really like her but her forearms are just a mess and that's a TOTAL turn off for me as I do allot of expressive poses! The new G2 James has NO ELBOWS when he's made to "flex" his biceps. Take a look at that will you? This is better?? :huh:

Nope! I'm not right, I'm just confused and I like G1 James A LOT! Hehehe..no martyr's need apply. You're absolutely right about G2 Jame's Elbows. Yuck! That's not a fix! Miki's upper arms I've gotten around by only using her in a big baggy Kimono that hide's this disfigurement. Hehehe.... in anycase, I wasn't saying you were wrong, only that I misunderstood your meaning which just makes me dumb so there! :tt2:

Hey now, no titillating teasing with your tongue! It's been awhile you know! Ah what the hell... right back at you..... :tt2:

---Wolff On The Prowl---

My mistake Karen, I assumed that you were a member. But it is not uncommon to show/preview new figures to members. That's what they really are, new, not old fixed. If they were the old fixed, then I would say yes, you should have access to them. It's only a couple of days sooner and look on the bright side, less traffic when you do get to download.

I also agree that you might want to finish that texture. It would be a shame to waiste that much work.

VF, I'm thinking would be updated for the new figures. I was sure that I read that they were planning to add figures as they go. When, not if, might be the better question

Well I'm hoping they just get the Puppetmaster Bi-Ped support for the new figures first so I can use it to pose my G2 figures in the VF zero pose and all will be well in that regards. Otherwise I'll end up doingi t by hand and Ugh! I don't wanna! Hehehe...

Richard, if we keep this flirting up Karen's gonna send us to the backroom where we'll really get into some mischief! :blink: :woot:

:biggrin: :blushing:

---Wolff On The Prowl---

PuppetMaster, Damn, I almost forgot about that. With PhilC, we would have an update in the next few days. Who know when it's going to be now.

I've had such bad luck lately in purchasing apps. They keep getting bought out shortly after I buy .

Hehe... NOW someone see's why I was bitching about the secrecy behind who owned Puppetmaster! I wish Kamaliche would have sold it to Phil! We'd KNOW when to expect updates!

Oh, I think she will come through just fine. When she's knee deep in something she stays in it untill it's done. Of course now that she's got all this gaming stuff to do.... who knows! :ohmy

---Wolff On The Prowl---

karen1573, I wouldn't give up on your textures just yet. We don't yet know how different the new UV maps will be. I suspect the head and neck area is where there have been changes. bB

PuppetMaster has the tools to add your own new figures. But I haven't tried it yet myself. bB

Quote - karen1573, I wouldn't give up on your textures just yet. We don't yet know how different the new UV maps will be. I suspect the head and neck area is where there have been changes. bB

Changes looked significant. Areas that were on seperate textures have been combined onto one

Hi Karen,

I agree with RAMWolff - OMG! What a great looking character for James you have there! I would buy him also. Just wanted you to know. . . .

At least there is an update for the EF characters that is being released. How long have we been waiting for M4/V4?

there was some text under all those squares...
It doesn't pop up for me anymore, after I went in the first time.

Quote - How do you get into CP? I can't find anything clickable in the flash on the front page.

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Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together.
All things connect......Chief Seattle, 1854

Well, I think the new site design is a disaster, and I expect it to hurt my sales there. A perfect example of style over substance.

Quote - But I wonder what all this will mean for Wardrobe Wizard support?

Look here:
http://www.philc.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=603
They will be supported!

And about your Ian, Karen: richardson is right, the beard looks very real and attractive, as more as this is a WIP!

I'm not always right, but my mistakes are more interesting!

And I am not strange, I am Limited Edition!

Are you ready for Antonia? Get her textures here:

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Quote - Daz Plat Club isn't entirely the same. The people in the members only section party naked and roll around in popcorn.
:b_tonguewink:

Hey - isn't it a violation of Daz policy to disclose what goes on in the members only forum?

:laugh:

And besides, now everyone's gonna want to join.

Cheers,
Alisa (running back to make more popcorn...)

Cheers,
Alisa

RETIRED HiveWire 3D QAV Director

Quote - Well, I think the new site design is a disaster, and I expect it to hurt my sales there. A perfect example of style over substance.

It's very slick, and pretty. I like it. :D But.... It needs some tweaks, imho. Text and thumbnails are too small. And the navigation is confusing. I would change the order of the navigation bar on the left to be more like the old one, then below that have the wishlist and cart. Just my 2 cents. bB

The new design: I vote mess. I went in this weekend. Not only is it cluttered, they seem to have discarded the complete list of partner vendors (thanks for the gratitude) and the Shopping Cart is actually worse than it used to be -- which took some doing. I swear, there must be some special customer relations program, perhaps at Provo Tech and Charm School, where folks who run Poser marketplaces learn to shoot off their toes.

It took me three hours to complete a $30 purchase! And on the first round, I had a full cart with no Checkout button. Fixed that by the simple expedient of starting over, only to discover that I could only use one of my four "valuable coupons." Renewing my Passport will be a hard sell. Next time I want something that's offered for more money at PoserPros, I'll figure in my time.

And if e-F releases the G2 guys in July as mucked up as they seem to be (no elbows???), just to make a date, that's pathetic. I will be picking them up today to make my own judgment, but an elbow is an awful thing to lose. Screwing up the male figures doesn't matter much to me, since I still use Don for most things, but it bodes ill for the femmes. I've been a defender of Jessi and Miki for some time, but mainly because I believed they were going to repair the problems... without introducing worse ones.

M

i don't like the look of cp now,as it looks like they have just planted those thumbnails,and are expecting them to grow,after a bit of nurturing.

are the new figures out yet then as it is the 31st now? if so where do you go?

I guess it's also seppuku (Hara-kari) time for my p6james Samurai!!

I just went to CP and suffered the same shock as others. Jeez. What a train-wreck. It was flashy and garish and served little to no purpose in doing so. They desperately need to focus on 3D content (fixing elbows and such) and not on flashy BS.

At least on the up side....they did a worse job of upgrading their site then Rendo did. :lol: If that is an upside. :blink: :laugh:

I cannot save the world. Only my little piece of it. If we all act together, we can save the world.--Nelson Mandela
An inconsistent hobgoblin is the fool of little minds
Taking "Just do it" to a whole new level!

Boy this is a little depressing. It appears the fix needs a fix. I just hope they can at least arrive at that beta-phase they call a complete product. So much for quality assurance.

Quote - The new design: I vote mess. I went in this weekend. Not only is it cluttered, they seem to have discarded the complete list of partner vendors (thanks for the gratitude) and the Shopping Cart is actually worse than it used to be -- which took some doing. I swear, there must be some special customer relations program, perhaps at Provo Tech and Charm School, where folks who run Poser marketplaces learn to shoot off their toes.

Well put! ;-)

They have gotten the thumbs so small now (35 x 35 pixels) that they serve about as much purpose as a box marked "Thumb" would. Once you actully get to the product the main images are also smaller (though you can pop up the former size) and the page is awfully cluttered and wasteful of space.

I emailed them yesterday to let them know how unhappy I am with the layout. My stuff has been selling very nicely at Content Paradise, but I expect sales to take a big hit with the new layout. So unnessary, too, the old layout was very nice, though I would have like to see bigger (not smaller, which is what we got) main images. We sell to people who are graphicly oriented, I want to show why my stuff is worth buying.

Plus it seems really slow in loading pages.

It is a very pretty site, layout, don't get me wrong, but I'm there to sell Poser products, not get design awards.

New CP site design: not at all to my liking. And naturally it's a far cry from being anything that could be remotely called as "standard HTML" (World Wide Web Consortium's HTML validator spat out a whopping 397 validation errors in the HTML code for the front page only). As Jim Burton said ... style over substance.

Jeez... I hadn't seen the new front page yet. That took over 30 seconds to load, and I'm on 1mb broadband. Not good.

Thanks for all the feedback and encouragement, guys. I'm going to wait until James 2 is available and then I will work on completing the package and probably sell it as a pack with both versions. The timing is just bad for me because I'm moving out in about 3 weeks and I don't know how long it will take me to get reconnected, and I don't want to launch a product and then disappear. :-

"you are terrifying
and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan Shire

Some questions about Jessi.. as I am NOT part of this exclusive club.

If you already OWN GJessi, do you get a credit?

What if you don't like how thin GJessi is but want someone with hands not quite as big as regular Jessi? Does the upgraded GJessi have more morphs?

And I agree that the figures that are being updated that came with P6 should be available to everyone, yet at the same time thank those who pay to play with stuff that is broken so I don't have to.

The complete list of vendors can be found in the advanced search section.

I am having many problems on the back-end there just trying to get some products up...not to mention that I discovered that a lot of my products don't show up in a keyword search of the title...and other don't show up in catagories...and my new ones aren't showing up at all unless I link to the them from my 'homepage'....and the site keeps going down in the middle of setting up products....very very frustrating indeed.

New sites of that size are always going to have problems no matter how much they test it first...remember how you guys all were kicking and screaming when the new forums went up here ?? ;p

Anyway, I know that a lot of the e Frontier/Content Paradise staff is out at Siggraph....so I am not holding my breath on hearing back from them for a bit....

--Rebekah--

There are three thumbnail sizes: 35x35, 60x60, and 80x80 depending on which viewing selection you choose. I personally like the new layout - kinda reminds me of XP which I'm very familar with and visually it's clean & appealling. I'm on dsl... I really don't see any differnce in loading time. I'm guessing it's the matters of getting use to the new layout/changes. They are going probably ironing out the wrinkles ASAP. ![](http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/art/emoticons/wink.gif)

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Well, that's a bang of an idea. Hmmm, let's completely redesign our website and put it online. Then, we'll scamper off to Siggraph content in knowing that if we've made a bullocks out of it, we won't be there to fix it! Yay!

Great logical reasoning in progress there... ;D

Robert

C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but when you do, you blow your whole leg off.

-- Bjarne Stroustrup

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The web guy is still there working, but I bet he wishes that he wasn't !

--Rebekah--

shrug

I was hoping that e-frontier was going to be coming out with something truly "revolutionary", figure-wise -- as early statements claimed.

Personally, I'm fine with the DAZ figures. I've got a lot invested in them already. Before I consider investing resources elsewhere: it will need to be demonstrated to me that there is a solid reason for me to do so. Not just an -- at best -- six-of-one, half-dozen-of-the-other type of situation. Or perhaps an even worse choice.......

Favoring and lauding other figures simply because "DAZ didn't make them" has never sounded like a good reason to switch over to me. But on the other hand -- I'm absolutely fine with buying other figures if they are actually worth it overall -- regardless of who makes them.

I can't say that a new James holds any great interest for me over the existing M3/David figures. But a new female figure is always worth a look.

Rebekah, probably cowering in a corner as we speak! ;)

I see that you've been able to get your "Cirque du Macabre" listed.

The "Modify Profile" Submit button doesn't work - FireFox 1.5.0.5 (Javascript enabled)

"View Big Thumbnails" sucks. That's all it does. (?) The product information is not shown, just a large block of thumbnails. Man, I'm on a 2048x1536 screen resolution. Fill in the info, please! ;P

Needs work.

Robert

C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but when you do, you blow your whole leg off.

-- Bjarne Stroustrup

Contact Me | Kuroyume's DevelopmentZone

If they came out with a tri-fold figure (ie: High-rez,normal,and lo-rez) that could wear the same clothes, and had loads of morphs, and could pose like a real human being without their elbows causing mutations (:lol: Couldn't resist that one!) then I'd be very interested. I like James. He has a sort of Tom Cruise mixed with Bruce Willis look going on. Jessi looks like an alien android, but that is another matter.

If they offered something unique and USEFUL (universal texture compatability, new realistic bone movements, even poser physic ERM's or such) I would pay and be happy about it.

They need to concentrate on the business of business and working on what the people that buy their product want, or need.

I looked LONG and hard at joining the DAZ Platinum Club, or the CP Passport club. Economics won out. I looked at both merchandises availabilities and qualities.

I went with DAZ.. I spent $35 USD for a month of Platinum, and spent $200 usd in their Platinum Club items to get $1257 worth of goods. Passport just didn't rate it. I'm not a big fan of DAZ's ...ahem....Microsoft-wannabeeisms. My choice was purely my bottom-line and what the two companies offered me.

CP REALLY needs to do something drastic to recapture their slipping market share. DAZ gave away their best figures free. Damn. That was frikking brilliant.

CP needs some real brilliance, right now.

I cannot save the world. Only my little piece of it. If we all act together, we can save the world.--Nelson Mandela
An inconsistent hobgoblin is the fool of little minds
Taking "Just do it" to a whole new level!

Ahhh....but I have uploaded 5 Cirque du Macabre items....and the Gorilla didn't show up at all either....it is wierdly inconsistent for me. At least those showed up :)

--Rebekah--

Joel, well said! :) Jessi doesn't look like an alien android - she is an alien android!

Rebekah, ah, I see. Hopefully the others will seep through the cracks into their proper place on the products page.

Robert

C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but when you do, you blow your whole leg off.

-- Bjarne Stroustrup

Contact Me | Kuroyume's DevelopmentZone

Quote - I'm not a big fan of DAZ's ...ahem....Microsoft-wannabeeisms. My choice was purely my bottom-line and what the two companies offered me.

Which is also in large measure the reason why Microsoft is what it is. Or why Wal-Mart is what it is...........lower prices can go a long way.

"DAZ didn't make it" is no more of a reason to buy something than "Microsoft didn't make it" is. I've got to be shown real value in the actual alternative product itself. Not just be told that the "big bad guys" won't be the ones who get to benefit from the sale. A negative reason is rarely a good reason -- it's just an emotional one.

I agree with the assessment of James & Jessi. I actually kind of like the default James figure. But Jessi is just odd-looking.

WalMart and Microsoft are "what it is" because they lie, cheat, and steal, would throw their own children into the furnace for the bottom line, and consider their customers suckers to be fleeced. There is a difference at DAZ.... They smile nicer.

That said, I have to say the PC makes a lot more sense economically -- if you are into popular fads, high school creativity, and litero-kitsch like their pseudo SciFi. Personally, I don't need five more rilly rad futuristical outfits where you can almost see her youknows or rip-offs of whatever movie is hot when I hit the Send key. I have been carrying nearly $100 in credit at DAZ since they "absorbed" Carrara; I can't find anything I want badly enough to spend the coupons. John Davidson authentic Gypsy costumes? Super freaking flipped out cartoon characters just like the ones at RDNA but don't say anything and not as good? No thanks. It's like having a lifetime supply of free Big Macs.

I find it sad, amusing, and predictable that PoserPros morphed into DAZ's evil twin once they bought it, doing Aubrey Beardsley to Dan Farr's square-jawed Kipling. The two faces of the Victorian coin; it's the same coin.

At least, when I'm at CP, I don't feel like I've wondered into a Battlestar Galactica nostalgia party attended by fourteen-year-olds who just discovered sex and hope nobody notices. I'm not beating anybody's drum any more, but I give them credit for that.

M

Yes, that's all true -- I personally feel fleeced everytime that I shop at Wal-Mart -- and spend less than I would most anywhere else for the same items. It's all highly upsetting. And just so-o-o-o-o-o unfair.

As far as the DAZ themes go -- DAZ is like most of the Poser-related 'department stores' -- they've got a wide variety of items & fashions for sale there. Personally, I simply buy whatever they offer that happens to appeal to me -- personally: and I ignore the rest of it. I find that whatever the immature, shallow hoi-polloi (read: those whose tastes don't happen to match mine) are buying isn't a matter that concerns me a lot.

CP's got some great stuff on tap, too. If I like it enough, then I'll buy there as readily as I will anywhere else. But I'll ignore 'toon figures no matter where they are sold.

I only download toon figures if they're free as I really don't do any toonish renders, but Emoti-Guy from DAZ I just couldn't pass up!

It is now August 1st practically everywhere...

Passport definitely needs a rethink. It's grossly overpriced for the limited benefits.

so let me see if i got all this, you were ALL excited about new figures for passport members, THEN the new figures have no elbows and kind of suck, ARE you all surprised?? Koji was James with an Asian face, came with no morphs, no nothing. And what do you get for joining and being a passport member? Seems to me, many of you need to hang onto your money, instead of throwing it at any and all POSER PEOPLE creators.
James is a pretty cool figure, why don't they work on what they already have, Oh NO let's make a new James and a black james. GIVE ME A BREAK!!! and because it's free, you really can't complain
Keep your money in your pocket , when sales start falling, I guarantee you, you will see exciting awesome figures popping up, money talks.
Lastly CP SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAD AND/OR BEEN A MEMBERSHIP SITE, it was supposed to be for anyone that purchased poser, another reason, i don't bother with them, just another scam for a dollar.

'At least there is an update for the EF characters that is being released. How long have we been waiting for M4/V4?'

Has it ever occurred to you that M4/V4 might actually work properly when they come out? Getting stuff in a hurry isn't much use if it needs to be fixed later.

mac

Quote - With out those sales would these forums be what it is today?

OK, so let me get this right. You pay for a Program (Poser). You pay good money for a program that has the slowest render engine on the market. Then you decide to go to the forums at CP and see what other Poser users are discussing. You find you have to PAY more to acces the Poser forum. Wasn't buying Poser enough. Evidently not. That sure seems like a scam to me and people are falling for it. I think I'm level headed enough and in touch with reality enough to see what is a scam and what isn't. I don't know of anywhere else you have to pay to access the Poser forums.

Quote - I don't know of anywhere else you have to pay to access the Poser forums.

Well, you get access to an exclusive PC forum with your membership, and ditto elsewhere. But your point is well-taken. Many of us protested at CP that it was inappropriate to put the Poser forum itself inside the paid area, and we were politely ignored. One admin argued that other programs (3DSMax, I think) had paid tech support forums. None of us was impolite enough to say, "Well, Poser is no 3DSMax!"

The benefits of CP's Passport are discounts and freebies, not just access to the forums, which are pretty lame except as a place to chat and read ads. Rumor has it that threads embarrassing to the marketing department have disappeared occasionally. It's no different from any other place -- read DAZ PC -- that exists primarily to market its own brand and offers discounts for membership. Judged by that standard, the return on the dollar is slimmer than PC, if you actually have a use for the silly stuff DAZ specializes in.

The only membership I've NEVER regretted is PoserWorld, and I expect it will be the only membership I have, come re-up time at CP.

Quote - so let me see if i got all this, you were ALL excited about new figures for passport members,...

Heh well not ALL ... I for one didn't even know about these new "cool" updates. Probably becasue I'm perfectly happy with m2/m3 v2/v3 d/s3. I must say I have found the CP Passport enthusiasm a bit strange. PoserWorld and Plat Club works for me, but I've never found Passport to be appealing to me personally.

I've no great desire for M4/V4, the current figures work well enough for me.

And what IS the point of exclusive forums for members? The Poser forum here takes up enough of my time as it is. Why should I want another one? That I have to pay to access?

You aren't missing too much anyway... If the CP forums were open to the public then everyone could enjoy choice quotes like this from Krazik (the programmer / web guy)... Straight from the CP Passport forums: "78% of cp visitors are on broadband, and only 9% on dialup." Hmmm...9% certainly sounds small, but it could be as many as 9,000 or more customers assuming their customer base is at least 100,000. Eh...who needs 'em, right? :blink: "We do track sales and user visits. Both are way up w/ the new site. Seems -most- do like the new site." Even though the G2 figures were released at the same as the new site design. Nice ego boost there. :lol: "Every user would give a different answer even the 4 of you griping in here couldn't agree on what cp should look like." This is what happened when asked why customers (or at least Passport members) weren't allowed any input into the new site design before it went live. :huh: "Asking for a fix and in the same breath calling us aholes for doing it to begin with is a gripe or just calling us names because you don't agree is."** Pleasant isn't he especially since I couldn't find evidence to back up his alleged verbal abuse. Regardless, I still gave him some praise anyway because he was probably tired, had good intention(s) and all the fixes will come soon enough. Krazik has since been quick to implement suggestions and address concerns. I'm especially happy that the "intro" page was completely removed. It's very nice to see what was accomplished in less than a day!

Don't know where this Free stuff keeps coming from. The figures are replacements for the broken ones, that I would have prefered to have had fixed in the first place. the one figure was part of the paying membership, the rest are for anyone who bought P6 and or the Miki/Koji figures. Nothing has really been givin free. These are also just preview versions, not the full versions. So with a little luck the full versions will be better than what we have seen so far.

I don't like the fact that G2 figures have all the muscle tone as default, with no proper morphs, they are very limited for any normal use.

The site format is poorly thought out, but that seems to be the "in" thing this year.

I will have to see what improvements CP makes before I renew. So far I can sum up the whole new look and figures in one phrase.

SNAFU!

Quote - Don't know where this Free stuff keeps coming from. Nothing has really been given free.

AFAIK... G2 James is "free" to all P6 owners but Passport members get them before everyone else. G2 Koji is "free" to all Koji owners but but Passport members get them before everyone else. Kelvin the newest G2 male figure (never before released and not part of P6) will be "free" to Passport members and sold to everyone else. So that would be my best guess. :biggrin:

They are not free, we paid for them. They are supose to be the fix for the old figure. Kelvin is not free. He is part of the paid membership. So nothing has really been given for free. Passport members get the beta versions first before the full release. "Paid" Membership.

The way I see it, EF / CP could have certainly decided to just charge everyone for all the updates regardless of any imagined or real entitlements since we don't have the final say. So the fact that we're getting these without paying extra (such as instead having to buy Poser 7) to get these updates is why I'd consider them it to be free. It might be sad, but there are plenty of other software companies that wouldn't be as "nice". Additionally, since joining the passport program the price paid for passport membership has since been recovered (as far as I'm concerned) and anything beyond that I am going I'm going to consider to be "free", a "gift" and/or "extra value" IMHO. YMMV. I may be their only customer that doesn't say "You owe me!" :lol:

Most companies don't charge you for fixing broken merchandise and you can't get more broken than what the G1 figures are. Don't forget Koji owners bought because they were told there would be face room usage. So what you are saying is that they are not owed that even though they paid for it?

I would still rather have fixed G1 figures than the new ones. Yes, I do think they owe us that much.

Quote - So what you are saying is that they are not owed that even though they paid for it?

I would still rather have fixed G1 figures than the new ones. Yes, I do think they owe us that much.

No, I'm saying that I feel that I've received more than I paid for (potentially one of the few) and so I'm hoping for more but not feeling owed it.

I see what your saying.

It would be a boring world if everyone thought the same. ( tied to get a smilie but the page won't load.)

I'd say that the "diversity" of thought makes a world of difference, wouldn't you ? :lol:

Quote - The way I see it, EF / CP could have certainly decided to just charge everyone for all the updates regardless of any imagined or real entitlements since we don't have the final say. So the fact that we're getting these without paying extra (such as instead having to buy Poser 7) to get these updates is why I'd consider them it to be free. It might be sad, but there are plenty of other software companies that wouldn't be as "nice".

All of "evil" DAZ's updates have been free. And that's not even counting the free
figures they are now giving away such as Victoria 3.0, which even has the updates
included in the newest FREE download.

shrug

In my personal stylebook: e-frontier provides the software, and DAZ provides around 90% of the basic models that I use far more often than any others. BTW - the reverse isn't true...........

My own idealized scenario would consist of Poser 7 being released with the DAZ figures -- M4/V4, YT's, & Milkids -- as the default program-loaded figures.

I know, I know......I have a truly warped sense of humor. But it'd be really, really nice, wouldn't it.........?

:b_grin:

Quote - > Quote - So what you are saying is that they are not owed that even though they paid for it?

I would still rather have fixed G1 figures than the new ones. Yes, I do think they owe us that much.

No, I'm saying that I feel that I've received more than I paid for (potentially one of the few) and so I'm hoping for more but not feeling owed it.

That may be true regarding Kelvin and his "Freeness" in terms of Passport but it just isn't true about James and Koji. What get's me is that these G2 "Fixes" are more broken than the originals! (Can you say no elbows when bent and wavy back shoulder muscles?)

"My own idealized scenario would consist of Poser 7 being released with the DAZ figures -- M4/V4, YT's, & Milkids -- as the default program-loaded figures."

Right on.

That has got to be the absolute WORST idea I've ever heard! Then we'd have half the available figures we have now! If there had only ever been DAZ figures that would mean we wouldn't have even had kids for the first few years and no baby til the MilBaby came around or the Cubed kids, oh wait! They were based on the P4 baby. We wouldn't have them at all!

Nobody said anything about, "only ever been Daz figures." Just give some quality figures in default Poser7.

From what I see going on now with ef figures that's not going to be the case. Even you stated that the new figure are more broken than the originals. Unfortunately, that is most likely what you will get in P7.

Don't get me wrong on figure diversity, I'm all for it. The more the better, I collect them all, well most of them. You would think ef would get someone that knows what they are doing or even pay Daz to fix them or even learn from the last failed attempt. OK, so the last 3 options are unrealistic.

I haven't used Jessie on one render so far but I have used James. I use James a lot with V3. I don't agree with some of daz's themes I think they are just a tad childish at times but I must admit I have always been a daz person as far as characters are concerned.

In all honesty I was seriouly considering purchasing Miki until I read more about her and some of her issues and I really don't want to purchase a figure just to get a new and improved version if in fact it will be new and improved. I have never been one to jump on the band wagon when something new come out. I used poser 4 for a long time passing by P5 when it came out and here in the past 2 months I broke down and upgraded to P6 because of the fear that items for P4 would no longer be supported. I admit I wish I had stayed with P4 as a matter of fact I find myself using the P4 renderer much more. The firefly renderer is great for one major image but not when you do a set of scenes. I put together story boards and some of them contain over 100 images and I can't wait 7-10 hours for one image to be completed.

There is no quailty in a project when it is rushed dispite what the corporate world would have you believe. I see all this talk about wanting poser 7 that there are some that can't wait for poser 7. I can wait and I'd rather wait or else the same thing is going to happen with P7 as did P5 and 6 a rush job that lacks in quality. So M4/V4 have yet to come to pass a good thing in ny book.

Too many companies today are in a rush to release products because their customer base is too much into instant gratification and these companies don’t want to lose potential profits. However, in rushing inferior products to market ends up in the corporation losing more money in the end with rework, retesting, repackaging and trying to regain customer trust. It is shoddy workmanship and poor management that finds many a company in the red or bought out by a competitor.

Wal-mart = another spike in the shashaujian or "assassin's mace" for China.

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I agree on the figure variety point -- the more the merrier. Competition benefits everybody. But I'd still like to see the DAZ "family" as the default figures. That would benefit everybody, too. Greatly.

As matters stand now, I rarely use any of the default P6 figures. Other than an occasional use for James: on those extremely rare occasions when I want an alternative male figure for some purpose. But seeing as how I use V3 around 80% of the time -- and M3 most of the time after that -- the default P6 group are what I refer to as "Blue Moon models". In other words, I tend to ignore them. I've found that all blue moon models have their partisans within the Poser community -- but they are still just blue moon models. Also-rans: without a whole lot of outside support. Although there is some.

James is a pretty good model, though. I'll grant that much. Too bad that the same can't be said for Jessi. And as for the rest of the default P6 group -- I think that I've used Kate maybe one time since I've had P6. And that was for trying something else out. The others I've never even loaded.

BTW -- if someone actually DID manage to come up with a truly 'revolutionary' new figure: then all bets would be off. But I've yet to see it happen.

@ Sealtm2 --Here,here!

Do it right the first time and it doesn't need repairs when just bought!

I'll wait for Poser 7. P4=Metacreations.........P5=Curious Labs...........P6=E-frontier

P7=......Walmart? :lol: <Couldn't pass that one by! Sorry

I cannot save the world. Only my little piece of it. If we all act together, we can save the world.--Nelson Mandela
An inconsistent hobgoblin is the fool of little minds
Taking "Just do it" to a whole new level!

If Wal-Mart did purchase Poser, then the program would suddenly cost half to a third of what it does now......and it's already a huge bargin, IMO. Just another Wal-Mart rip-off of the public.

Perhaps DAZ will buy e-frontier -- and solve all of our little hobbyist problems for us in so doing. DAZ seems to be in a buying mood these days.

((Note for the gullible and for the too-literal minded: I don't actually believe that such a thing will ever happen. It's a half-joke. Something that I'd like to see occur -- but I know that it's highly unlikely, at best.))

For one thing, going along with the hypothetics, if DAZ purchased e-frontier to acquire Poser, then they could make D|S work properly in every way as they would then have direct access to the source code. Irony, okay. ;D

beryld, what is extremely funny is that the people who wrote Poser can't seem to get the gist of how to create content for it, yet outside interests are far more advanced in this (DAZ, Anton, etc.). Why is it that they keep hiring people who don't understand the issues to create their content instead of the 'pros'? One almost must reach the conclusion that they are a little 'penny wise, pound foolish'.

Robert

C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but when you do, you blow your whole leg off.

-- Bjarne Stroustrup

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Quote - Nobody said anything about, "only ever been Daz figures." Just give some quality figures in default Poser7.

Um... I was just using that as an extreme example of what we'd end up with if our Poser Runtimes were all just DAZ figures. You do get that point I'm sure!

Yeah I'm griping about new figures that are supposed to be fixes for the old ones, I'll continue til someone at CP acknowleges that they goofed and fixes them. If this doesn't sort itself out soon, I won't be renewing my Passport membership when it runs out and I'll be down to my LifeTime PoserWorld subscription and be glad of it!

"Has it ever occurred to you that M4/V4 might actually work properly when they come out? Getting stuff in a hurry isn't much use if it needs to be fixed later."

Mac, I was just speaking in reference to the fact that the EF figures are coming out while M4/V4 have been talked about for at least the last two years. Of course, M4/V4 will work if/when they come out. There would still probably be updates, but no biggie since a lot of major figures have tweaks that are discovered after the public release.

The EF figures will "work" as well. It just remains to be seen whether they will have any real additional functionality or they will just be tweaked versions of the originals.

Ah, I may not be reading everything as meant today. Bad tooth, lots of codein. My apologies to all.

PoserWorld lifer myself. That was the best money spent for return.

kuroyume0161, got to agree with you there. You get right down to it, this is three versions of figures that are a mess. I don't think any other content creator can say that. "Got's to be a record."

You Too Beryl? Send me some Codeine! Bad tooth here too on top of a severe sinus issue that I'm due to get a head cat scan for on Monday. So everyone who think's I'm just being unreasonably bitchy about this can just cut me some slack.

Has anyone else downloaded the actual readme documentation for this preview release of these figures? Yeah it's a separate download that has to be added to your cart to get it. For some reason the readme wouldn't fit in their release zip file go figure!

Here's what it says about Faceroom Support:

**Face Room
** Face room modules will be released as an open beta and will be free add-ons. If you would like to beta test and have in depth knowledge of Poser, Python, texturing, or modeling, please send a request to CPdevinfo@e-frontier.com.

Seems it's only going to be released as an Open Beta to qualified people who request it! By Qualified, I point you to the "In Depth Knowlege" portion of that announcement.

Just from outside observation -- I don't have any 'inside' knowledge of the subject (and I could therefore be totally wrong about this) -- my speculation is that the long wait time on M4/V4 stems more from marketing reasons than it does from a delay in figure development. The initial reactions that I saw to the suggestion of a V4 model a year or so ago were along the lines of "'nuthin' doin, I'm too heavily invested in V3 to want another model that I have to buy things for" -- comments like that. No doubt, if a marketing simpleton like me can notice that, then DAZ is probably savvy enough to grasp the implications of it, too.

Sure -- the market needs a V4 -- eventually. And we'll get one, too. But the timing should be done right. A year ago probably would have been too soon for Poser Market attitudes to adjust to it. But I've got the feeling that the time is just about ripe for it now........

You can't remain stuck in the past. Otherwise, we'd still be using the P1 figures: such as they were. V3 has had a great run. IMO, it's about time for a new girl in town. A base model that is more....... essentially realistic. The default mode should be a supermodel for sales purposes (of course). But, IMO she doesn't need to be nearly 6 feet tall. Comparitively few women are that tall in real life -- although there are a few. IMO, the "ideal" female model would come with averages by default. Espeically the average height for women. Which, IIRC -- would put her somewhere around 5'-6" tall. Something like that. Also, IIRC: for men it's somewhere around 5'-9", 5--10"? I haven't taken the time to google it, so I'm not 100% sure.

Well, with this ef figure feasco(sp?). Daz has the ball in thier court, what better timing to intoduce a new figure that you know you can trust. The M4's could be finished and Daz could be waiting for the additional content to be finished and tested. That's just my guess work not fact.

I really don't care about the add-ons for M4's, just the figures and main morphs. I can model my own stuff for them. But I will have to wait like everyone and I'm in no hurry. I'm having to much fun watching ef figures shoot themselves in the foot, again.

"He blew up real good."

Quote - what is extremely funny is that the people who wrote Poser can't seem to get the gist of how to create content for it ...

I'm convinced that the people who wrote Poser have never seriously used it. Otherwise they would have been driven to fix some of the annoying issues just for their own benefit ...

Excellent, if not disillusioning, point, Phantast!

Robert

C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but when you do, you blow your whole leg off.

-- Bjarne Stroustrup

Contact Me | Kuroyume's DevelopmentZone

Quote - There are three thumbnail sizes: 35x35, 60x60, and 80x80 depending on which viewing selection you choose.

Can you tell me where to find that? It's not on the main page, not found by clicking 'mystuff'. Nowhere. And btw, where is everybody getting all the smileys they're posting? Are you guys attaching them, or is that a forum option I'm missing?

> Quote - > Quote - There are three thumbnail sizes: 35x35, 60x60, and 80x80 depending on which viewing selection you choose. > > > > Can you tell me where to find that? It's not on the main page, not found by clicking 'mystuff'. Nowhere. And btw, where is everybody getting all the smileys they're posting? Are you guys attaching them, or is that a forum option I'm missing?

See the attached screen capture for Smilies.

:b_confused:

Quote - Mac, I was just speaking in reference to the fact that the EF figures are coming out while M4/V4 have been talked about for at least the last two years

Yup, PapaBM. I guessed that. I was just voicing my own thoughts on hurriedly releasing figures (apparently) without ensuring that they do what they're supposed to do.

Re V4/M4 and DAZ Marketing - I have the feeling that any Mil 4 release will be based on real improvements in the figure structure, rather than squeezing every last cent out the previous versions. My reasoning is simple. If new figures aren't attractive enough to customers, they'll stick with the old ones. So, no matter what the marketing boys may think, the bottom line will still be 'Is this worth the money I'm going to spend on it?'

Mind you, I have no idea what's going on within DAZ. I'm just basing my guess on common sense. That, and the fact that, as DAZ get more and more of the market share, they can afford to screw up even less. So I reckon they'll take their time and get it right. Or at least, as right as any major figure release is ever likely to be. No matter how careful they are, there will always be some problem that crops up.

mac

Quote - > Quote - There are three thumbnail sizes: 35x35, 60x60, and 80x80 depending on which viewing selection you choose.

Can you tell me where to find that? It's not on the main page, not found by clicking 'mystuff'. Nowhere.

Above the item list there are a series of arcane-looking square buttons that give you different views of the list. The default has tiny icons and such tiny print that I had a big headache very quickly. The last option gives you the biggest icons but no text about the item, so that's not very useful. Which leaves the middle option.

I agree it's not intuitive that these options are there and that these buttons control them. It would be more normal to find one effective design and stick with that - or at the very least, use the most effective design as the default.

Quote - no matter what the marketing boys may think, the bottom line will still be 'Is this worth the money I'm going to spend on it?'

You're kidding, right? Is there a market of more gullible sheep on the planet than the typical Poser/DAZ addict? I would normally come up with some absurd example of a useless release that people would stampede to buy, but I can't think of anything that wouldn't get the "Well, Geez, that's not absurd; that's just what I needed!!!" response, so what's the use? Millennium Roadkill? Morphing Brick? Pink Leather Texture for the V3 Bikini? Dynamic Pizza? Fae Fire Hydrant?

If this market were actually dominated by people with the maturity to say, "What do I need that for?" rather than "Neato! Gimme! Just charge it!" we wouldn't be on the fifth or sixth clunky, bug-ridden version of Poser, and we wouldn't have 2 terabytes each of unopened downloads.

I'm not one of those who was waiting in line for the G2's, shifting from one foot to the other to avoid wetting myself. Of course they were released too soon and are a mess. What else is new?

As a rule, consumers get the markets they deserve, and consumers haven't the integrity to care where it came from, who got ripped off to guarantee them "the best price in town," what village in some unspellable country was polluted by the manufacturer, or what legitimate vendor was driven out of business by the "best price is all the matters" mentality. "Gimme!"

Quote - > Quote - I'm not one of those who was waiting in line for the G2's, shifting from one foot to the other to avoid wetting myself.

Hey now! I resemble that remark! Just look at the puddle on the floor! :b_blush:

Quote - If this market were actually dominated by people with the maturity to say, "What do I need that for?"

I fit more in this statement. Sure, I'm hooked on Poser but not that much that I just can't do without something if I probably won't use it and especially don't want someting that doesn't work right.

Poser is a 'hobbyist' application. Maturity need not apply to inexperience with high end applications. If someone with the experience and $1500 dollars to use Maya and Studio Max, More power to them.

Poser is an easy introduction into the world of CGI. It is easy to use and relatively cheap. That doesn't mean that people that use it, or buy poser figures are immature. As far as it goes, all American markets are ruled by people with more money than common sense.

That doesn't mean that Poser users thumb their noses at quality. When I get something, I want it to work as stated-- Not needing loads of fixes, and work-arounds!

DAZ is like one of those big art-supply stores with all sort of thingies of dubious nature, that may appeal to a very narrow market, as well as very focused mass-market gimmicks to draw in more customers. However if their figures were sub-standard---NO ONE would use them, except for their fans.

That being said--M3 and V3 have become the standard figures for a reason. They work as promised. You don't have to like it, I don't have to like it, but there it is. The P6 figures have more going wrong than right in comparison to them. THAT is the nature of what's being discussed!

The G2 figures are not in a vacuum. Like new car models, they HAVE to compete in the market-place against everyone else's models. The ones that do NOT break down more, usualy get more people to buy them.

Personally, I wanted the G2 figures to have kicked butt, just to give DAZ a run for the money. Competition is good for the market, and overall marketplace of 3D CG goodies.

I cannot save the world. Only my little piece of it. If we all act together, we can save the world.--Nelson Mandela
An inconsistent hobgoblin is the fool of little minds
Taking "Just do it" to a whole new level!

XENOPHONZ said:
Blue Moon models : I've found that all blue moon models have their partisans within the Poser community -- but they are still just blue moon models. Also-rans: without a whole lot of outside support. Although there is some.

All I gotta say....is

SIxus1, the Blue Moon models king!!!!!

Although, I don't know if that is something that one should be proud of.

On the actual topic of conversation...I have absolutely nothing useful to say, as usual. :)

--Rebekah--

I had the same problem had to use mozilla.

Quote - Is there a market of more gullible sheep on the planet than the typical Poser/DAZ addict?

Well, I can see your opinion of your fellow users isn't too high. I won't you're entirely wrong though. In any market under the sun, there's always the 'Gimme, gimme' crew, and to be sure, a large number of poser users buy stuff they never use much. But when we're talking about buying a major figure, plus all the clothes and accessories to fit him/her, I reckon most people will have a pretty close look before they start throwing money around.

As it happens, I make my living from selling products to these same 'gullible sheep' you mention, and I can tell you now that in 5 years of selling content, I've only ever had to make one minor fix to a product. (I have updated products to work with new versions of software, but that's my own choice). Why only one fix in 5 years? Because I take a pride in the stuff I make, and I test it to death myself before it even gets near the beta-testers. After that, it gets tested for a third time by DAZ, then it goes on sale.

And why bother? Because these same 'gullible sheep' only have to buy one product that sucks, and I'm history. I don't call that 'gullibility'. I call that 'common bloody sense'.

All you need to do is look at the poser forums to know that even if DAZ put out the perfect V4/M4 figures, without a single flaw or bug, there would still be people who'd find something to complain about. Gullible sheep have a nasty tendency to turn into ravening wolves when they see something they can sink their teeth into.

mac

Woof Woof! Grrrr....

I'm one of those so called, "gullible sheep," when it comes to figures. But, I will not buy another figure from ef after this Miki/Koji BS, until they prove they can be trusted. I will take the new figures when they get them finished (allegedly) and see where it goes from there. Though, I will upgrade to P7 when it comes out and will have whatever crap untested figures they decide to throw in as an after thought.

Maclean is right, one bad product can ruin you. Yes, even if Daz put out a perfect mil 4 figure, people will complain. Most of that would be frustration of not having all thier last version stuff work with the new version and even Daz tends to have a cross dresser version included to help with that, or the have so far.

I had a good laugh at the CP forums reading the complete drek(sp?) that they are feeding everyone. Looks like even their own quotes are not what they said and anyone that points out the flaws are jerks. The few brown N's are making it worse. Things will not get fixed with thier high praises. Ef will say, " they like it," so we don't need to do anything more. All though ef can feed those praisers Dog doo on a plate and they will eat it and tell us how good it is. Proof is in what happened with the last figures. Never fixed the joint problems and ripped everyone off with the face room support for Koji, which BTW, has been mentioned,Face room support for the figures might not being included in the full version upon release.

For what it's worth, I would love to see ef get thier figures right. What I'm seeing and what I have read and what I have tested........ (shrugs shoulders) not impressed.

Baaa-Woof Baaa-Woof!

Quote - > Quote - Is there a market of more gullible sheep on the planet than the typical Poser/DAZ addict?

Well, I can see your opinion of your fellow users isn't too high.

Nothing personal. I consider humankind the ultimate proof of Sturgeon's Law; it's an educated opinion. And turning on a vendor for "one mistake" doesn't strike me as any more mature that gobbling up every MFD that hits the shelf. As witness the ludicrous lynch party that greeted the demanded release of P5. Poser may never recover the cred lost in that incident, but frankly, neither will the hordes of twits I watched waving their torches and grunting threats.

It's true, I suppose, that a large part of the Poser user-base is hobbyists, though I'm not sure what makes a person a "hobbyist" as opposed to, say, a starving artist, an aspiring CGI technician, and an information engineer with a use for a simple visualization tool. And every hobby I've ever participated in has included the folks who actually are engaged in the hobby and the herds of faddists who are just there because that's where everybody is. Being a hobbyist doesn't require immaturity.

As a general thing that might be called a rule, the indifference of a company to ethics and the welfare of its customers is in a direct ratio to size. Been there, watched, left. As a codicil, many companies realize that telling customers what you really think of them, right to their faces, can threaten market share, so they hire budding used car salesmen and airline attendants manqué to handle the face-to-face hypocrisy. Little companies can't afford that kind of fluff, so the little ones that consist of rip-off artists and customer exploiters don't last long. I would much rather buy from a face than a corporation, because I get to see if I'm dealing with a jerk, thug, or sociopath immediately, rather than having to study on it. And very few of the jerks, thugs, and sociopaths last long as individual vendors.

M

For what it's worth, I haven't turned on anyone for one or even many mistakes. I've just pointed them out with much gusto as is my right as a paying customer. Nobody needs to agree with me, though it's nice to know I'm not alone. The reverse side of the coin is that nobody needs to be taking what I've said about CP/EF so personally that they resort to name calling and personal attacks on my person.

Whether or not I'm coming off sounding rosey, childish or stupid, the issues exist and I'm not the only one who's noticed or remarked on them. I admit I've been the most vocal about it and have come across to many as petulant. I own up to that.

I also own up to this. I do have serious health issues affecting my moods and general well being and since bitching about them produces no results whatsoever, I don't bitch about them! If I focus that bad feeling on something petty to you personally, just look at it as I'm blowing off steam where I feel it will do the most good and least amount of damage. At least when I bitch at Content Paradise, they listen. They may not fix things to my satisfaction, but they don't attack my character either.

"I've found that all blue moon models have their partisans within the Poser community -- but they are still just blue moon models. Also-rans: without a whole lot of outside support. Although there is some."

Personally, I'm a sucker for new figures and really like to give them a shot, particularly if I've seen the figure in development or have talked with the developer. Something that Sixus1, Anton, Neftis, and Seraphira have done particularly well is to post WIP's for viewer comment. I think sometimes having the consumer be part of the process alleviates the feeling of not having "extra" functionality as there is some opportunity to provide imput. Plus, I think it gives the developer an idea of what the user would like from a figure.

V3, the most popular poser figure, is blue moon figure in my runtime. It just seems odd how quickly some figures are dismissed as being niche figures without really having a chance to compete in the market...

Frankly, and this isn't a dis towards DAZ, but I've only used V3 in maybe 3 renders tops! V2 even less. I don't dislike them, they just don't strike my fancy and frankly I prefer working on images with figures that you don't see everywhere else with a sword in a temple. Everyone has their own tastes and mine lean towards the Poser figures. I don't want or need a figure just because everyone and their dogs are producing stuff for them, frankly I'm enjoying learning to produce stuff on my own with figures less supported. If I happen to find issues with the figures I like, it's my perogative to say something about it if I'm using them. I fully intend to make use of the full release G2 figures when and or if they get themselves together. Doesn't mean I won't point out flaws when I find them.

I bought Poser 6. I bought Koji. After what I've seen here, I'm in no hurry at all to get the G2 version of Koji and James and Jessi. loll I just reinstalled Koji last week and James and Jessi are not even reinstalled yet!

While I think it is perfectly allright for them to let Passport owners get the first chance at the new generation, I do think it is not the right place here to brag about it. Don't they offer a forum where you can discuss these things among yourself?

Sorry but I just had to say this. ;o)

France, Proud Owner of

KCTC Freebies

Quote -

While I think it is perfectly allright for them to let Passport owners get the first chance at the new generation, I do think it is not the right place here to brag about it. Don't they offer a forum where you can discuss these things among yourself?

I don't think anyone in this thread is bragging about having the figures. I thought it started as a headsup for any Content Paradise Members who might not visit the site regularly. It was about a new redesign of the site, not just the G2 figures.

There is a lot of discussion going on in the content Paradise Forums both praise and critisism in the section especially for the new G2 figures (thats open to anyone). That is where I would ask questions about the figures and express my opinions.

As PapaBlueMarlin said other developers have posted W.I.P. in the past.Here CP/EF have posted actual figures for people who have shown support for them by making the commitment to buy the Passport. The figures will be eventually released for every one. The one question is will they change and is it worth developing/buying any products based on these figures.

It's not just Poser - you should see the screams of "When is Vue 6 coming out?" in the Vue forum. People queue up to buy a buggy new product before the bugs are fixed in the old one. No wonder standards in the software industry are so low.

Quote - Daz Plat Club isn't entirely the same. The people in the members only section party naked and roll around in popcorn.
:b_tonguewink:

Damn! How come I never got any invites?

Quote - You flash your membership badge to the liveried servant at the door, and then you give the secret codeword and handshake to the marshal that comes to greet you.
DPH

Yes, but you do have to drop your pants and show him the secret sign tattooed on your butt!

Quote - Well, I think the new site design is a disaster, and I expect it to hurt my sales there. A perfect example of style over substance.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that finds it very user unfriendly.

Quote - See the attached screen capture for Smilies.

Thanks, Mizrael. I finally found that an hour ago, lol. I'm not used to seeing some forum post options given as icons and others as text links. Totally missed that.

Much obliged, for your help, Phantast.

Favorite quotes:

"...if DAZ purchased e-frontier to acquire Poser, then they could make D|S work properly in every way as they would then have direct access to the source code."

and,

"I'm having to much fun watching ef figures shoot themselves in the foot, again.

"He blew up real good." "

LOL!

Quote - V3, the most popular poser figure, is blue moon figure in my runtime. It just seems odd how quickly some figures are dismissed as being niche figures without really having a chance to compete in the market...

A few years ago, a new restaurant opened for business in our town. Watching the building and the signs as the site was under construction led me to the conclusion that the eatery was going to be a place that I'd need to try out. I expected that the food there would prove to be a bit on the pricey side -- it gave all indications of being a place for a fancy Saturday night out.

Well......the restaurant kindly mailed out some menus to people in the local area just prior to their grand opening. The menu prominently featured such popular dishes as alligator meat, rattlesnake, ostrich steaks -- and so forth.

The shiny new restaurant closed its doors about three months later.

And why......? Couldn't the intrepid restaurateur simply have sent out a second menu mailing which offered people MORE alligator meat at greatly reduced prices? What if they had offered to give away a free lifetime supply of alligator meat? Wouldn't that have caused the customers to pound the restautant's doors down trying to be the first ones to get to a table?

Whenever these 'alternative figures vs. the DAZ figures' threads come up, one often hears the argument presented that the real problem stems from the lack of outside support for those same alternative figures. If only -- we are told -- the 3rd-party vendors would start churning out products to support those alternative figures -- then the alternative figures would REALLY take off and fly ! Let's see more of that alligator meat offered up to the buying public ! That'll bring in swarms of customers like flies to a spilled soft drink !

Sorry -- but it just don't work thataway. The market likes what it likes. And for some mysterious reason or other, that simple fact is quite upsetting to some.......but I'd speculate that the 'mysterious reason' is most likely because the vast majority of the market doesn't happen to like whatever it is that they like. After all -- some few rare people (and sometimes quite vocal) actually enjoy the taste of alligator meat -- for who knows what reason. But most of us don't like it...........in fact, we've never even tried it; nor have we so much as thought about trying it. Nor do we intend to start now. We'll keep right on ordering our plain beefsteak as we like it. Not as someone else's off-the-wall tastes dictate that the rest of us ought to like it. We won't even give the alligator a second look.

Lest anyone misunderstand what I am saying here: in my book, alternative figures are great! And I've got a fair number of them in my runtime. I wish that outside vendors would produce more of them........so that I can use them as a handy garnish in my scenes with V3.

So bring on more alternative figures. V3 can use some background models to enhance the scene. A good alligator figure would be nice..........

alligator and ostrich available at Daz along with V3.

Those bastards! Cornering that market too!

Sorry, couldn't help my self.

Alligator steak is great. I'd have eaten there :biggrin:

I like Miki and Steph Petite, too ;-)

"you are terrifying
and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan Shire

Alligator steak tastes like chicken but some people might say it tastes like catfish.

Yeah, maybe V3 can defend herself from the alligator with that sword that she's carrying around most of the time.

Now there's an idea......as popular of an accessory as a sword seems to be for V3: you'd think that every woman would want one. Stores in the local mall should start putting up racks of swords in the women's clothing department. Along with chainmail bikini briefs and helmets. Now there's a market for you.........although I'm not entirely convinced the the average petite woman would care to walk around lugging a 75lb. sword, and wearing a 25 lb. iron hat on her head. The iron hat might muss her hair. And a sword that size might cause her to break a nail. Do you realize how expensive those manicures can be? Not to mention what would happen if she were to drop the sword on her high-heel wearing foot......

Well....maybe it's not such a good marketing idea after all......

I like SP, too. And I'd say that Miki......is a potentially great figure. IMHO>

So, catfish tastes like chicken too?

None of you have gotten it right. Alligator tastes like Soylent Green. After all, they say that "you are what you eat".

what Seaweed?
(I read the book....)

You mean to tell me that somebody read the book? Now that's a first.

Make Room! Make Room! by Harry Harrison. they really butchered it into film and it's almost unrecognisable...

quite good but not his best work.. for that you want the Stainless Steel Rat books or the to the Stars! Trilogy...

Yeah, the film was crap. I'd rate it his best actually (although I do like SSR as well.) There's something kind of Chandler-esque to MR!MR!

"you are terrifying
and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan Shire

you heard the bad news? 'the Technicolour Time Machine' was optioned by Mel Gibson..... gaaaah please hand it over to someone that cares....

All of this reminds me -- a couple of months back ('round about May, I think) there was a spate of several fatal alligator attacks which happened in Florida. IIRC, one alligator grabbed a jogger.

At the time, an interesting detail tied the attacks together -- all of the alligators seemed to prefer attractive women in their early 20's.

And how could anybody not like Soylent Green? Wasn't that the movie where the security police wore silver spary-painted football helmets? What's not to like about that?

Never mind alligator - wildebeest! There is no meat so delicious as wildebeest, I assure you!

I am NOT kidding you ...

OK, OK.....I confess. I tried a Bison Burger a couple of weeks ago. It was very good. And supposedly it has less cholesterol than a grilled chicken breast. Or so the restaurant's menu claimed, anyway.

Hey, if I can have a great tasting burger guilt-free, then I'm all for it.......

we regularly have Elk here... (friend of ours raises them for meat) and at the farmers market, Buffalo. Elk etc are there for sale every saturday morning... and cheaper than beef in the supermarkets.. (and tastes a damn sight better).. infact we're doing most of our meat and veg shopping now at the farmer's market.... eating better for cheaper :)

“…there was a spate of several fatal alligator attacks which happened in Florida.”

That’s because we had a very dry spell for a while which drives the gators into populated waterways.

More so recently, now that Burmese Pythons have overpopulated in the Glades and become predators to alligators.

Here is a pix of a 13-foot Python that swallowed a same size gator….then exploded with indigestion.

GatorBits (gator tail, not gator meat), is delicious…. just don’t overeat.

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**“**all of the alligators seemed to prefer attractive women in their early 20's.”

Me too!

“Hey, if I can have a great tasting burger guilt-free, then I'm all for it.......”

Then you should try the new burger from McDonalds that’s made from the one part of the cow that contains no fat or cholesterol…the lips**.**

A burger made from nothing else but lips.

It’s called the McJagger.

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I saw that gator/python picture back when it was first floating around the web several months ago. At the time, I read speculation that the python was in turn killed by the gator which it had eaten -- that the gator had clawed open the snake's body from within before expiring itself. I've also heard that when gator and python meet: the gator usually wins. Just not always. But the snakes are a new wrinkle in the Everglades. The only predator that hunted the gators before the coming of the pythons was Man.

IIRC, the spate of gator attacks earlier this year puzzled the experts. I recall hearing reports that this wasn't typical gator behavior -- it was out of the ordinary. And it was also odd that all of the victims were good-looking young women.