e-frontier has posted a notice pre-announcing Poser 7 on their website. Im happy to say also that Meshbox Design as well as several other supporting vendors here and on Content Paradise have provided some interesting content that will go into the box.

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Yeah nice ... i just have P6 for 7 months now .... so next is Vue 6 i have 5 ..bryce 6 i have 5.5 ...carrara 6 i have 5 ... and hex 3 . i have ... YEAH i want HEX 3 ... i have HEX 2.1,666 :-{

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my plan is for the early adopters to keep us informed on any difficulties. SR 2 or 3 may be a good bet.

Agree with MIss Nancy...I'm not a good candidate for testing bugs in first releases, it tends t make me very grumpy. Although, it is very very tempting, my credit card is singing softly in my ear "ssssoooo what uuuuuussseee mmmeeee" LOL!! :woot: Simon and sydney are hot looking.

Well, I'll wait and see. Poser 6 was light years ahead of poser 5, but there are still some fundamental problems with Poser, like how the figures are rigged. I sincerely hope that those are finally fixed in the new edition, but I'm not holding my breath.

I don't understand why they are stringing out the features. They are doing some "7 reasons to buy..." but are only showing one reason at a time. They say "we can't everything reveal now". Why? But you want me to pre-order?

I would be interested in dual core support and x64 (like Lightwave 9.)

Quote - I don't understand why they are stringing out the features. They are doing some "7 reasons to buy..." but are only showing one reason at a time. They say "we can't everything reveal now". Why? But you want me to pre-order?

Its called advertising. the reasons are revealed over time and will all be revealed before it is released. There is no advantage to pre-ordering now over pre-ordering when all the reasons are revealed.

it all about the hype.

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Okayfine.... I'll be happy to check it out (pre-order all snug and secure) and report back....assuming I'm not in serious picture making mode.... >:) And this is a standard advertising methodology. If they are still in beta (quite likely), they will probably not mention something until they confirm that it is stable across varied platforms. So mention what they can, then add to it as they are satisfied of useability. Admittedly, I'd like to see all the features listed, but the new kids look good facially, at least. And from the little bit they did say, there may be hope that we -finally- have that rewrite of the core app.

If it's not dual core I'll be holding on to my money.

They talk a lot to not really anything. SImon and Sydney? LOL They are...not very realistic looking. Not as realisitic as Jessi, even. Not good.

I'm NOT big into buying hype. Maya didn't hype, Vue didn't hype,Hexagon Didn't hype. They said upfront what it did and how. They laid it on the line without any tricks, or prevarication.

I will wait and watch and read the reviews VERY carefully to see what they actually have new that will knock MY socks off.

So far --I have seen no such reason to pre-order an app without specific details of WHAT it can DO!!

Buying blind is not for me.

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"...tricks, or prevarication."

Hmm. I can't find the tricks and prevarication ;) ...and "Hexagon Didn't hype"?? The Hex 2.1 I have is a buggy piece of crap. Poser is the best bang for the buck among 3d poly apps I know of. Let's not forget: 129 bucks. What else out there is better at that price point? Preorder coming up. I know I'd buy it eventually. Might as well buy it now.

The tricks I refer to is the hype of 7 reasons to buy and they don't give'em to the buyer right away, and that IS a prevarication. IE: " to avoid committing oneself in what one says ".

You do have a good point with the hexagon. It is buggy and not very good. They at least told you what it did and the support of hardware. Of course the makers of Hex left out what was wrong.

THAT is why I'll wait and watch to see what Poser 7 can actually do. ^__^ V,,

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DAMN YOU AND YOUR TIMING! It had to be when I'm buying a Co-Op!!

...ahh. Find yourself a creative mortgage originator, shaft73, and just have him fold in the cost of P7 to the purchase price of your co-op, show it as a landscaping cost or something, and have em cut e-frontier a check for P7 at closing. What the heck. If anybody makes a fuss just make em a quick render of a Japanese elm or something ;)

don't know don't care. I've already ordered.


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LOL, Poser 6 light years ahead. LOL, that is the best joke I heard all day. :-)

You know what they say about a fool and his money? Nope, not me, not enough intel. Whether it's a $1.29 or $1129 it's not worth the hassel of finding what bugs are in it that is what QCs job is for.
I'll just wait and watch the carnage.

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Just please, please, please, please give me a way to increment dial values using the keyboard. This idiotic game of trying to drag them back and forth with your mouse, or having to type in a value (guesswork) is just pathetic in 2006.

This is the core excercise in Poser - setting up figures and props. Why should it be so damn difficult? In version 6?

I have a trillion other applications for creative work, and ONLY Poser uses this pathetic interface that "looks cool!" but is so un-functional. The best interfaces are those that are transparent, i.e, you don't think about them because you are able to focus on making something, not fighting the stupid interface that is s'posed to help you make something.

Oh, and a better undo feature.

Other than that, I really love Poser.

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Shame they aren't offering - a "we won't charge your card until it ships" - this time - not too sure about having $AUD 173 tied up for Gawd Knows How Long.......

Edited to add -

'specially when you don't know what DAZ is going to throw at us over the next couple of weeks .. may need to have that money on hand for Victoria 4 and / or Bryce 6....

Edited again to add:-

at the risk of sounding like a whining Aussie - it would have been nice if they sweetened the deal a bit as well for those who were early adopters of Poser 6

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I think I paid half what they are asking for Poser 7 when I pre-ordered Poser 6. They had a 6 reasons to buy Poser 6 back then. I try not to buy odd numbered versions of Poser.

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Quote - Shame they aren't offering - a "we won't charge your card until it ships" - this time - not too sure about having $AUD 173 tied up for Gawd Knows How Long.......

Check the FAQs...

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> Quote - They talk a lot to not really anything. SImon and Sydney? LOL They are...not very realistic looking. Not as realisitic as Jessi, even. Not good.

They look possiibly Italian to me. Since when is anything not Anglo not realistic?

I don't find them any less realistic than any of the other current figures, none of which are all -that- real anyway.

I bought Poser 5 one week before Poser 6 was announced.

I avoided Poser 6 precisely because I knew it would not last long, and I had just spent all that money.

So I'll be on the Poser 7 bandwagon, but I expect to skip Poser 8.

I skipped Vue 4 on similar grounds back in the day, but I expect to jump in on Vue 6 even though I got Vue 5 not that long ago when it first came out only because I hope to get some of the features of Infinate when they filter down to Pro...

Sales and upgrades are nice, but when they start outpacing the buying power of the user base they risk collapsing the industry - like what happened to comic books around 92 or 93 or so... Different kind of market, but the concept holds.

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Quote - > Quote - Shame they aren't offering - a "we won't charge your card until it ships" - this time - not too sure about having $AUD 173 tied up for Gawd Knows How Long.......

Check the FAQs...

That FAQ says:

Quote - Credit/Debit Card: If you paid by credit/denit card, our store system performed a preauthorization on your credit card when you placed your order. While this doesn't post a charge to your account, it does reserve the funds from your available balance right away. Your credit card company considers this to be a "pending authorization". The actual charge will officially post to your account after your order ships for physical versions, and when your download information is sent for download versions.

Paypal: If you paid by Paypal, the funds were immediately transferred to e frontier when you sent payment from your Paypal account.

"reserve the funds" is just a euphamism for 'we took your money, you've paid and lost that money, but we're not giving it to the other guy yet because we want to invest it in some energy stocks or that trip to Vegas with the hot secretary down the hall...'

When I lived in South Korea this was how people paid rent - they got their money 'held' by the landlord for X amount of time, at the end of the time the landlord paid them back 100% of the money. The point? The landlord made a killing off the interest...

It was still your money, but as long as its in somebody else's pocket it might as well be gone.

e-fronteir doesn't benefit from this scam, but the credit card companies sure do.

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Quote -
"reserve the funds" is just a euphamism for 'we took your money, you've paid and lost that money, but we're not giving it to the other guy yet because we want to invest it in some energy stocks or that trip to Vegas with the hot secretary down the hall...'

When I lived in South Korea this was how people paid rent - they got their money 'held' by the landlord for X amount of time, at the end of the time the landlord paid them back 100% of the money. The point? The landlord made a killing off the interest...

It was still your money, but as long as its in somebody else's pocket it might as well be gone.

e-fronteir doesn't benefit from this scam, but the credit card companies sure do.

Well said arcady - you have put it perspective nicely...............

And I wasn't going to stress on it too much before - but I will take the plunge and say that I am really dissapointed in this offer after thinking about it - it means that all those who grabbed Poser 5 for free can now get the same upgrade deal as those of us who forked out to early adopt Poser 6.

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Ok, but what exactly does P7 do? I'm using P5 right now and if 7 doesn't have something worth the upgrade, like a full-body motion designer or something like that, then no way. I'm not one of those buyers who always needs to have the newest version of something. It's all about practicality.

I'll get Poser 7 if all my other apps that import Poser 6 decide to start importing Poser 7 figures, too. I don't use Poser for rendering.

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Quote - > Quote -

"reserve the funds" is just a euphamism for 'we took your money, you've paid and lost that money, but we're not giving it to the other guy yet because we want to invest it in some energy stocks or that trip to Vegas with the hot secretary down the hall...'

It was still your money, but as long as its in somebody else's pocket it might as well be gone.

e-fronteir doesn't benefit from this scam, but the credit card companies sure do.

Actually no thats not how it works. If you use a check card it sorta does because your bank (sometimes) doesn't let you spend that money. But if you use a credit card you don't have to pay the money till the bill shows up after poser ships. An "authorization" never shows up on your bill till it's been charged. We/the banks just check that you actually have the money/credit at the time and it gives us a unique transaction number (since we like most don't store your CC #) to charge when the product does ship.

Hope that clears up that question

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One thing that I don't think will be improved is Poser rigging.

We were told over at the CP forums that Sydney and Simon are basically G2 figures, which means (I think) their rigging must be the same as the recently released G2 males if they are to be able to use the same clothing etc. I can't see that they would include figures that didn't use new rigging if it was to be a major new feature of the app - I could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong!

If there's one thing that Poser really needs then it's improved rigging IMO.

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i can't see the point of new characters, as they haven't fixed the ones they already had in poser6, also a bit annoyed at the poser5 freebie downloaders getting the same deal as those who bought poser6 early on!!!

rather spend my money on vue6 which actually sounds like it will make vue and poser users lifes much better!!! the pose adjusting in vue sounds really usefull to me, to not have to go back to poser to adjust your pose a bit here and there, and better shader support, all sounds like a step forward, but i think getting poser7 will be a buggy experience, wait a year for them to sort it out a bit, then get the hype for poser8!!!

instead of releasing new versions, they need to just concentrate on making what they already have, work propally, i think. i'd be happier paying for "fixes/patches" than buying new "doesn't work propally yet, if ever" versions.

If those are pictures of Sydney and Simon in their base state, then e-frontier have learnt nothing. A good figure should be bland in the base state, and be able to have many different characters dialed into it. If you start with, say, high cheekbones and narrow eyes, it's hard to get rid of those.

They made that mistake with Jessi and this new character doesn't look much better.

I'm a die hard Poser lover and user, but fir now Poser 7 doesn't even interest me.

I really don't need more content, especially not another set of unsuported EF figures. Besides Simon looks way to much like James and Sydney seems to be a new improved version of HER.

EF got do much more to convince me this time. I noticed they have some meshbox designs.... adding all of there models would convince me, not just one or two.....

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Food for thought.....
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Well, you don't need to pre-order it. You can wait to Poser7 regular version, not Special Edition. To read all the tests. To be sure. And to spend a lot of bucks more. And ... I'm a little bit bored readind once and twice and etc 'where o where can I find the Winter Queen? I need her like the air to breath!!!!!'

Seriously. I know I'll finally buy Poser7. I'm a Poser-addict. So... why to wait ? Let's catch the deal

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All I want to know is, can it handle Mike wearing a Sanctum Arts GRIM Outfit, AND Two Vickys wearing Skorpio Rising uniforms in the same render WITH Scenery?

I really do hope this will be an real a step in the right direction, I havent updated since p pro. However, having said that, does anyone else think that the quality of the renders of the new fiqures were actually a step backwards? It's been about 7 or 8 years since poser 4 was released and dispite all the "improvements" made to the rendering engine, its still possible to spot a poser render from a mile a way, unlike practically every other renderer out on the market.

I want it, and I'll pre-order it.

It says they have a new wolf figure.... interesting. Hope some of the other animals are updated too.

e-frontier (and previous-owner CuriousLabs) can do you-know-what with their characters' alliterative names. Personally, I'm waiting for the Fred and Ethel version...

wow..I'm pre-thrilled..;) sorry, just needed sayin'..;)

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Wow, another set of default figures, I'm decidedly not impressed.

As for pre-ordering, I'm not impressed with what they've listed for their "Secret Agent" SE bundle either, hell, I'd be surprised if someone couldn't already find pre-existing models to cover that.

I think I'll hold off until about a month after release, see what people are saying before I decide to commit.

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If you're joking that's just cruel, but if you're being sarcastic, that's even worse.

i am sorry, but until I know how this thing

handles memory, I am not going to jump

like a pavlovian dog. I did this for p6 (at $99)

last time to find out there were only minor

changes in from p5 to p6 and I still

cant figure out half the rooms. Besides

p6 works fairly well except that it runs out

of memory when rendering and I tranfer

the pic to vue or bryce to finish.

Quote - i can't see the point of new characters,

every new version of poser comes with new figures. this shouldnt be a supprise

Quote - instead of releasing new versions, they need to just concentrate on making what they already have, work propally, i think. i'd be happier paying for "fixes/patches" than buying new "doesn't work propally yet, if ever" versions.

fixes and patches don't pay bills. you have to keep making the next new versions while fixing and patching.

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Ok guys, remember this is reason number one, not necessarily the most compelling or interesting reason, but an interesting one, none the less. Someone said the renderer was the reason you can spot a poser render a mile away. I disagree. It's the characters. So 2 new characters is a good thing. I think e-f deserves a little bit of time on this one. A tech support guy once told me dual-core support is one of their most requested features. I am encouraged to believe that this(along with memory improvements, they seem to go hand in hand) will be included. I have nothign to confirm this, but as multi cores are all the rage, they would be remiss to leave out somethign that can improve our render speeds so much. So lets give it a bit of time. There are sure a lot of haters in here, yet they render on...

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When you like i did Downloaded the P5 for free ..and you still have a Coupon .. or from something else ..Use it on the pre order ... :} i did and it works 10% i got just for having downloaded a free P5 :}

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The Pre Order gives you a 6 months CPassport ... that give's you the right to download all the new G2 males for free etc etc that on its self is a good deal :}

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so if iis for dual core, i need to go

out and get another computer?

dont think so.

Quote - so if iis for dual core, i need to go

out and get another computer?

dont think so.

they are not asking it to be only for duel core. but to use both processors on a duel core as well as working properly on a single core.

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Quote - I'll get Poser 7 if all my other apps that import Poser 6 decide to start importing Poser 7 figures, too. I don't use Poser for rendering.

I dont see any indication that the file format changed.

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I'm going to wait to see the other 6 of the 7 reasons to get P7. For starters, I'm suspect that they've not mentioned either duo-core or 64-bit support. Forget bells & whistles, I want to see some hard-core improvements (a firely upgrade? better cloth room? material room?) I still have Miki and TY2 laying around, so new figures aren't enough a draw...

64 bit ,dual core .... have you seen the minimal specs for Vista ...... so everybody is gonna save $130 by not getting a P7 upgrade ... but you gonna smack a LOT of cash for getting a PC with minimal Vista Specs ... and then when you have a DVD drive running in compatible mode for 32 Bit .. because there is no 64 bit driver for it ..you whole 64 bit system fall's back to 32 bit to continue running..... so 99% of the time your running 32 instead of the 64 bit you payed LOADS of money for.

Dont stare blind for 64 bit or dual core ... be sure your system runs good and stable no matter what Bit amount or core processor....

Dual core 64 Bit Vista is gonna Cost you a lot more then you hoped for...

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Quote - I'm going to wait to see the other 6 of the 7 reasons to get P7. For starters, I'm suspect that they've not mentioned either duo-core or 64-bit support. Forget bells & whistles, I want to see some hard-core improvements (a firely upgrade? better cloth room? material room?) I still have Miki and TY2 laying around, so new figures aren't enough a draw...

Hey now...they haven't released the feature list yet.

Sigh...here we go. At least I know now that I won't be buying bryce...gotta buy poser7. I like early adopting.

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Quote - Actually no thats not how it works. If you use a check card it sorta does because your bank (sometimes) doesn't let you spend that money. But if you use a credit card you don't have to pay the money till the bill shows up after poser ships. An "authorization" never shows up on your bill till it's been charged. We/the banks just check that you actually have the money/credit at the time and it gives us a unique transaction number (since we like most don't store your CC #) to charge when the product does ship.

You may not have to pay that on your bill, but it still comes off the top of your available balance. So you effectively lose that bit of fluidity.

Still results in the same corporate scam on the part of the credit card companies.

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I wasn't dissing P7, just that I wasn't going to jump on the bandwagon until I saw something that made it more than a glorified P6 SR4. I like the latest version of things too. Hell, I have WordPerfect X3 installed on my system, though that may be just my way of thumbing my nose at Office (we hates it! ;-)

Thing about Poser 7--NO ONE knows enough to order it, except on blind faith. And more--the thing with faith,.....if someone like EF abuses that faith.......I for one, just do NOT have any faith with 'em anymore. I'm not alone in it. I know of at least six or seven others that got raw deals.

P7 might REALLY be the best thing since sliced bread.....BUT I would urge patience until someones made some sandwichs with it and every can see if anyone chokes on 'em, or chows'em down. ^__^ A lil caution never hurt anyone.

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Sems to be an upgrade of content not real features.
Not a real update!

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The more I look at him, the more Simon reminds me of an actor from a Prilosec commercial who also played a psychotic controlling father on an Episode of Law and Order: SVU...

But maybe mixed with another actor from a show on the Sci Fi channel or a sitcom or something that I can't quite place...

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They haven't announced the features or changes yet gang but they will. This first announcement was to let you know it's coming and to give you an idea of the content included! Also, if you visit their store, you can get an idea of the specs required to run it.

Quote - you whole 64 bit system fall's back to 32 bit to continue running.....

Did you make up all that nonsense you wrote yourself? People might actually believe that...

Well i dont need to make it up ... And if you be so kind please show me a URL where there is a 64 bit driver.. for DVD player... this driver fall back is in windows from win 95 ..till today..

And if you believe it or not ... just be carefull when switching to vista ..

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Quote - > Quote - Actually no thats not how it works. If you use a check card it sorta does because your bank (sometimes) doesn't let you spend that money. But if you use a credit card you don't have to pay the money till the bill shows up after poser ships. An "authorization" never shows up on your bill till it's been charged. We/the banks just check that you actually have the money/credit at the time and it gives us a unique transaction number (since we like most don't store your CC #) to charge when the product does ship.

You may not have to pay that on your bill, but it still comes off the top of your available balance. So you effectively lose that bit of fluidity.

Still results in the same corporate scam on the part of the credit card companies.

It would be a scam if the credit card companies gets use of those funds in the meantime; however, they don't. It is a method of protection to the merchants.

10/14/06

Folks:

If you chose to upgrade/preorder at Content Paradise BE CAREFUL and don't use the scroll wheel on your mouse while ordeing. It changes data on the order sheets without warning. I just inadvertantly ordered a Mac version of Poser 6. My expereince with Content Paradise to this point is that they don't answer EMails or solve problems. I have always had to contact the vendors when a problem arises. I hope they will get their act together this time, but I am not hopeful. So, BE CAREFUL.

LMK

Probably edited for spelling, grammer, punctuation, or typos.

Quote - 10/14/06

Folks:

... My expereince with Content Paradise to this point is that they don't answer EMails or solve problems. I have always had to contact the vendors when a problem arises. I hope they will get their act together this time, but I am not hopeful. So, BE CAREFUL.

LMK

I have received very good help from support at CP.
If you PM krazik, who know all the details about the CP site, he will solve the issue very quickly. I'm sure.

Quote - 10/14/06

Folks:

If you chose to upgrade/preorder at Content Paradise BE CAREFUL and don't use the scroll wheel on your mouse while ordeing. It changes data on the order sheets without warning. I just inadvertantly ordered a Mac version of Poser 6. My expereince with Content Paradise to this point is that they don't answer EMails or solve problems. I have always had to contact the vendors when a problem arises. I hope they will get their act together this time, but I am not hopeful. So, BE CAREFUL.

LMK

Yes, that can happen at many sites if your (computer) focus is on a selection box and you really want to scroll the whole window. I've gotten used to clicking somewhere in the window that's not a link or entry/selection and then scrolling.

And before clicking "Submit", go back and recheck everything.

Good sites have a "here is what you entered, do you want to make any changes?"

Tiny:

"PM (private message) Krazik."

I am willing to try, but I don't know how.

Thanks.

Probably edited for spelling, grammer, punctuation, or typos.

Sorry, I forgot the link.
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10/15/06

Tiny:

It really was my mistake to click okay, after I had accidentally changed my order to the wrong version with the scroll wheel on my mouse. I should have noticed when I downloaded the file that something was wrong. But, I really have had trouble getting CP to repond to problems in the past.

Ratscloset from CP corrected my mistake, very graciously. This is a big improvement in service for my part, and a confirmation of the great service you have received in the past. All turned out well, Happy Birthday to me! Today I am 55.

Thanks for the help!

LMK

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Simon and sydney look just as butt ugly as jessie in my opinion.....

Whats so different about 7 that pro pack can't do?

I used p6 and hated it, so went back to pro pack...yes i maybe in the darkages.... but oh well

I was thinking the same thing Lilliana about the differences (besides the packaging :lol: )

When I saw Poser 7 was going to come out ("soon"...hahaha), I wanted to do a side-by-side comparison of the three versions (5,6,7).

While it looks spiffy, like all new versions that come out, I'm sure there will be some bugs that crop-up.

I have Poser 5, and I'm happy with it. I think I will just sit and wait to see what everyone, who orders Poser 7 thinks of it.

I pre-ordered Poser 6. For everything I'm worried about it doing, I might as well have stuck with 5. I'm waiting to order 7 until they say something other that "it's got cool content"... Like, can it do anything that 6 can't? Or is this just another content upgrade?

Well I've preordered Poser 7. And where are all the bugs you keep referring to? Oh wait.. those were in Poser 5... soon-to-be 2 versions away. And while you're all rejoicing over that almost 7 year old program (which is positively ANCIENT in software ages) that is Pro Pack, tell me it was flawless out of the box? Helloo? It, too, had 3 SR's

Oh and while we're paising ProPack, where's the atmosphere settings? The raytracing? The dynamic cloth? The point lights? The material Room?

Oh but no, Pro Pack is enough.

Yeah it's enough if you're rendering is another program anyway. Or never use raytraced reflections anywhere and like plastic look on your characters.

Some of us has moved a bit beyond that.

I used, and LOVED Pro Pack. But that's years ago.

I also remember what a GREAT thing Windows 3.11 was compared to 3.0... Wow. the THINGS you could do...

I'm not buying Poser 7 for the content. IMO Sydney (funny btw I always thought it was a boy's name) is even uglier than Jessi, and while Simon looks OK, he also looks like he has the same almost-impossible-to-morph eyelids that plagues James. But I'm counting on some nifty new features. I may be naïve, but new content has never made anything a new program yet, so why should it be the case here?

I like Poser a lot but I sure don't feel like shelling out $129 for a few new figures. I've got plenty from Daz. The things I would like to see and that would make me open my wallet is dual core processing and a faster Fire Fly (more than 20% faster) that doesn't run out of memory especially with more complicated scenes. Oh! and for the future, compatibility with MS Vista. E-frontier, take it from experience: I'm in sales and you don't get'em by keeping secrets.

the trick to getting dual-core and 64-bit support is having a larger percentage of the computing populace actually owning them. Most companies are going to write software for what the majority of their customer base, and it costs money to program new routines and such (or modules and objects, I haven't done any programming since the 90's..;). If your market is 2-5% of the installed base, then you have to ask yourself if you're going to recoup your expenses writing for such a niche market.

In time, they'll become more of a standard among people, and then it will be (financially) worth their while to write for that. I've only a limited knowledge of 64-bit stuff (a couple of server courses, nothing serious), but I know that 32-bit stuff is still supported.

One problem the industry is running into, is that computing power and capabilities have advanced so fast, that many people (i.e., non-gamers..;) are content with what they have. You need a 'killer app' that won't run in the 32-bit world to get them to change. Isn't it ironic..;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)

Well, if it's not available in a 64bit version and with dual core support, I'm probably not going to buy it. Content alone is no good reason.

What I'm hoping for:

64bit and 32 bit versions
Multithreading/multicore support
Full Python support of EVERYTHING. Including full wxPython. Actually, I hope ef will go the Microsoft way: decouple user interface from functionality and expose all functionality as an API.
New rigging
Backwards compatibility
A setup room that WORKS. Including higher precision numeric entry boxes, independent center and endpoint entries for all bones, smarter defaults for falloff zones. And of course everything that's needed to set up a figure using the new rigging methods.
Pre-stretched dynamic cloth
"Rope" support in combination with dynamic cloth
Animatable cloth dynamics
Multiple choreographed groups
Better ERC control through the keywords "thisFigure" and "conformingTarget", that will put an end to crosstalk once and for all
Dockable palettes
More responsive UI
Render farms
Render to disk
Improved reflections/refractions (a "turn reflective at angle xxx" entry would be very nice!)
Render large scenes (multicharacter with clothes, dynamic hair and complex environment)
"Drop to surface" tool

Nothing new here. These features ahve been requested since Poser 5. Poser 6 was a disappointment when it comes to rigging, setup room and dynamic cloth. Dynamic hair was somewhat improved, but still it's not possible to render a scene with multiple dynamic hair groups without crashing.

So unless P7 fulfills a significant amount of the wishes listed above, I'm not going to buy it.

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I just looked at the Circuit City advertisement in the Sunday newspaper. They advertise six notebooks: three are 64 bit dual core and the other three are dual core. They also advertise five desktops of which four are x64 dual core.

I suspect the companies that want to keep or gain with their customer base will have to provide 64 bit/dual core applications. Bryce is going to dual core, Carrara already has it, and Lightwave has 32 and 64 bit versions.

Quote - Improved reflections/refractions (a "turn reflective at angle xxx" entry would be very nice!)

You can do this already since P5. We can discuss details in a separate thread if you're interested.

Quote - [...] still it's not possible to render a scene with multiple dynamic hair groups without crashing.

Oh? I must be doing something wrong then since I don't have that problem...

Or am I misunderstanding you? Any "normal" dynamic hair consists of several groups. So are you saying that you can't use those without crashing?

Methinks he speaks of several figures with hair, not the dynamic hair groups on ONE figure. If I put three characters, naked, save for dynamic hair for each, my machine would burst into flames, if it didn't crash first. LOL :lol:

Sort of another reason why poser has the NVIATWAS syndrome going on. Program limits the functionality of renders. One figure, one wardrobe, one set, one light set, or BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH was old then. It's older now.

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Joelglaine, you're correct about the several figures with dynamic hair.

With transmapped hair, I can have up to seven or eight figures in a single render. With dynamic hair, the amount is reduced to two, of which only one can have dynamic hair. This is not good.

stewer, I'm highly interested in how to do that reflection angle business in P5/P6. It would definitely help in making more realistic water. Something for the Poser Technical forum?

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It might depend on the hair. I recently bought a nifty little tool here in the MP called Dynamic Hair Repair. I had bought a specific hair, and it just wouldn't load. I tried STOMP to fix the obj, but to no avail, the hair wouldn't load. Or rather it would but it took more than one hour to do so (seriously)

After I'd run it through HairRepair, it loads faster than transmapped hair and renders equally fast. I don't know exactely WHAT HairRepair does, but it works. And it takes seconds to fix a hairdo.

And in this case, it's not a problem with POSER but with the specific hair.

I've also noticed that the texture size is much more likely to be the culprit when rendering more than one figure. Lower the texture size and you can render more characters.

My computer, while fairly new, isn't a super computer, for one thing it has "only" 1 gig of ram, and while it has a 64 bit processor, the windows version I'm running doesn't take that into account anyway - yet I still rendered this picture in approximately the same time as it took me to type this post. And I do type with all 10 fingers ;)

Two V3's (Reduced Resolution, but that doesn't matter when they're this far from the camera, and besides, Poser 6's smooth Polygons makes it virtually impossible to tell the difference anyway, two textures, both medium resolution, two sets of clothes and two dynamic hairdos.

And my computer neither smoked nor crashed...

Polygon count is usually not the problem. I've rendered 8 V3s with transmapped hair in one go. Took some time, but it worked.

Texture resolution certainly is a problem. At midrange and long range I always use reduced resolution textures (1024x1024 or 512x512), and I often use V2/M2 for midrange, Posette and Dork for long range figures.

Whenever I try dynamic hair, doesn't matter what model, the number of characters that can be rendered drops dramatically.

By the way, Dynamic Hair Repair only strips out the hairCacheFile entries in a dynamic hair file AFAIK. Which is also easy to accomplish using the free CR2Builder by kim99. The main advantage of Dynamic Hair Repair is its batch mode - it can fix your complete dynamic hair library in one go.

I'm not surprised that STOMP didn't work. STOMP works on facets, and dynamic hair doesn't have facets.

My machines are both quite powerful, one Athlon64 3500+ with 4 GB RAM, and one Athlon64x2 4400 with 4 GB RAM. So the crashes are not due to underpowered machines.

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My Computer isn't that old and it says AMD Athlon 64X2 Dual Core processor??? Is that what you all are talking about?

Poser 9 SR3 and 8 sr3
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Processor Type: AMD Phenom II 830 Quad-Core
2.80GHz, 4000MHz System Bus, 2MB L2 Cache + 6MB Shared L3 Cache
Hard Drive Size: 1TB
Processor - Clock Speed: 2.8 GHz
Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Graphics Type: ATI Radeon HD 4200
•ATI Radeon HD 4200 integrated graphics
System Ram: 8GB

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