How do you feel about the fact that Poser 6 paid users have to pay the same price to upgrade to Poser 7 as those that got Poser 4 or 5 free or paid for an earlier version of Poser but didn't fork out any money to upgrade until Poser 7? I feel it is shameful of a company to treat its paying customers this way and it would be shameful of me to not say anything.

Our funds help support the cost of the bandwidth to support the free downloads for Poser 5 no doubt and now they are equals to those that coughed up our hard earned money when it comes to upgrades. I'm really angry about this treatment. And while I'm on a rant, their advertising of Poser 7 with content as the only information is hardly making me want to pay the upgrade price either. It doesn't make me excited to have information dribbled out like this, it just ticks me off.

That's my opinion, I'd like to read yours. If you are ok with the policy, I'd like to read that too and why you feel that way. I'd like to feel better about this but just can't see any reason why this is fair. If you are as unhappy with the company as I am, try not to get the thread locked while you type your feelings.

I'm not particularly unhappy with the policy because A) I don't expect anything in life to be fair, and B) on the grand scale of things in life that are not fair, this is way, way down at the bottom. Just ask anybody that hasn't eaten for two days while sleeping in a cardboard box.

It'd be nice if they had a more even handed way of making sure that everyone who uses their product pays about the same amount of money for it. But they don't, and that's the way it is, and I'm not gonna get stressed about it.

Besides, Poser is like the Barbie doll. The money ain't in the toy, it's in the clothes, and the cars, and the Malibu beach house that I'm sure she conned Ken out of.

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Yeah, I'm not too concerned with the policy for pretty much the same reasons as jevans69, but what does matter is that I get a good product for the money I part with.

I would have thought by this stage that Poser might be utilising current hardware better, and have a decent rigging system for figures that bend and pose really well. After all, it is supposed to be 'The Premier 3d Figure Design and Animation Solution' .

A fair pricing policy isn't going to make up for a poorly developed product.

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Quote - ... I would have thought by this stage that Poser might be utilising current hardware better, and have a decent rigging system for figures that bend and pose really well. After all, it is supposed to be 'The Premier 3d Figure Design and Animation Solution' . ...

Unfortunately, a lot of those types of problems won't likely get significant improvement unless they do a re-write from scratch. The code base is very old, as software goes, and it's very hard to fix (I talked more about that in this thread). What they need to do is to re-write the internals, and almost certainly would need to change the data format (the CR2 file) to improve the way rigging works. Can you imagine the screaming from the community if one day we woke up and e-Frontier said, "Hey, Poser has a great new rigging system that's easy to use and really functional! Your old content is now useless!"

Ain't that a pretty thought, hmm?

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Quote - she conned Ken out of Malibu beach house. bitch

Yeah, but she was really hot, and Ken was having self-esteem issues, and, well... you know how it goes sometimes.

Just so you don't feel like a lone voice in the wilderness, I'll chip in and say that I was a bit surprised that loyal customers weren't offered a slightly better deal. Yes, as a P6 user, I was a bit miffed that I'm treated just like a P4 user, and I would have expected that they would have had a slightly more refined pricing structure. It's the first time I've ever upgraded a piece of software and been given the same deal as someone several versions 'behind.'

It's certainly not in the same league as having to live in a cardboard box (not that anyone ever said it was), but it's a minor annoyance.

I've pre-ordered anyway, but if P7 turns out to be a bit of a dog, it will feel a bit like adding injury to insult.

I'm patiently(?) waiting to see.

Another thing about rewriting the rigging, if they do make a new better rigging system, it is likely that the old one will be incompatible with it, so you will have to throw away all the poser items you have bought so far and start again or use an older version of poser.

If they make the new rigging compatible with the old one then it probably wont be improved as much as it could be.

What worries me a bit is, that E-frontier's first reason for getting Poser 7 is a lot of content. If I want to have content, I buy a content pack. Two new characters means a lot of new add on until they are really useable.

What would be more interesting is a new bones/rigging system, an improved file format (textfiles are no longer state of art) and a well defined export interface for content and scenes. Improvment in the hair and cloth room would also be great. I also would love to see a plug-in interface, so 3rd party extensions are possible not only via Phyton scripts.

My tool chain includes Carrara, Cinema 4D and Vue and I hope that E-frontier supports the other companies to build import filters soon. I'm quite satisfied with Poser 6 at the moment, so Poser 7 has to provide useable new features, otherwise I delay the upgrade...

Quote - What would be more interesting is a new bones/rigging system, an improved file format (textfiles are no longer state of art) and a well defined export interface for content and scenes. Improvment in the hair and cloth room would also be great. I also would love to see a plug-in interface, so 3rd party extensions are possible not only via Phyton scripts.

I like the fact that they use text files okay; computers today are fast enough that the extra size over a binary format isn't the same issue it once was. Now, the CR2 data format... sigh what a convoluted mess.

A plug-in interface would be superb, especially for outside renderers. I'd love to be able to plug Poser directly into POV-Ray or Yafray, for example. It'd be nice to have a fast exporter for creating a series of OBJ's for exporting elements as animated object frames, too.

'Course, you can't have everything. Where would you put it?

Captain Jack

a bit miffed here too... but hoping to see improvements on memory handling issues!

I agree with Diana, it is a slap in the face for Poser 6 owners, especially since you could pick up Poser 4 for a few bucks - has it been given out for a free by any of the big 3D magazines? That would really suck.

As for the 'grand scale' argument, that can be applied to every single thing that ever goes wrong in life since I don't live in Sierra Leone or Saudi Arabia. House burned down? Robbed at gunpoint? Wrongly sentenced to a long prison term? One or more limbs amputated? You're still better off than most people in the third world but that doesn't mean you can't complain about it. In fact it's my responsibility as a soft Westerner to complain about things that don't really matter!

Quote - As for the 'grand scale' argument, that can be applied to every single thing that ever goes wrong in life since I don't live in Sierra Leone or Saudi Arabia. House burned down? Robbed at gunpoint? Wrongly sentenced to a long prison term? One or more limbs amputated? You're still better off than most people in the third world but that doesn't mean you can't complain about it. In fact it's my responsibility as a soft Westerner to complain about things that don't really matter!

Sorry, I didn't quite explain myself well enough. I jut meant that's why I'm not upset, not that that should be used as a reason not to complain or that what e-Frontier is doing should be considered fair. There's no question that the policy isn't fair; it's like when you're little brother got an extra scoop of ice cream and you didn't. Or that some people are prettier than others. Or that Bill Gates, well... exists, really.

Please, complain away, shout it from the rooftops. I'm all for it, being quite the rounded-out Westerner myself.

Captain Jack

Still thinking about whether I want to upgrade. I like Poser, but last time, there were better deals if you waited. Not to mention that horrible memory bug the original version of P6 had.

I can't wait - I'm a compulsive upgrader. If there is a better offer for Poser 6 users in the future I can always cancell my pre-order. Not gonna worry about it.

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Quote - I like the fact that they use text files okay; computers today are fast enough that the extra size over a binary format isn't the same issue it once was. Now, the CR2 data format... sigh what a convoluted mess.

I agree on that. The CR2 data format is a mess. If they want to stay with a text file, they should support a kind of structured XML style. This would definitely increase the 'parse-ability' of the file. Since Poser 5 these textfiles became so big that it's really hard to work with them in a conventional editor. Also the absolute path information in saved files is a problem sometimes.

So I would prefer a binary format with a kind of improved CR2 editor or a structured XML-style text file. Another option would be to part the files and include them with statements. External morphs were a good idea for the beginning, but unfortunately not well communicated in the beginning. The material information could also be external.

I do not see why introducing a new method of figure rigging would set the old content obsolete. It all boils down to positioning facets in 3-D space and applying a texture to it, and it really does not matter where the facets came from, so Poser can easily have the two rigging methods run parallel. Of course old-style conformers will not work with new style figures, but that is about it.

As for my wish-list, there is multi-layering of textures, more clear object hierarcy, and most of all a better library management system. I use P3dO Pro now to kick Poser around and once you have Poser and the script and P3dO running it works like a breeze.

And of course they really should do something about this 'missing file' thing, locking your PC up without asking you, forever it seems. Have a look at DazStudio, boys. Works a lot better there.

Did you buy Poser 6 so you could one day get a deal on Poser 7, or did you buy it to use it?

I think a low price across the board is a good idea. It helps to get more people in, which is what is most important.

The money isn't made on the application these days, its made on the clip art people buy after they have the application.

Poser now has to compete with Daz Studio, which is free. It may be more limited, but it is free. It is hard to compete with free. The difference in value between what Daz Studio and Poser 5 can do is only $20 at the moment. Poser 7 is now claiming it is $109 better than Poser 5. That's a tough sell, given what you can do with Poser 5 is not that bad. Even Poser 5 is a tough sell given what you can do with Daz Studio. It hinges on the cloth room for the most part - which is a great value, but only if you understand its potential, and a lot of users don't.

Those Poser 4 users and Poser 5 users did not get to enjoy using Poser 6 the way you did. That is what you paid for when you bought Poser 6.

Did you find no value in owning Poser 6 in the time you had it? Would you have been just as happy with Poser 4?

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I wouldn't have been just as happy with Poser 4, but I think I would have been with Poser 5. I haven't really used Poser 6's features much.

And for awhile, I was much less happy with Poser 6. That memory bug was brutal. Crashes, I can take. A bug that wipes out your file is whole 'nother story.

I reckon it's not really surprising that the early adopters would pre-order before knowing all the details. the pull of poser became very compulsive as the 3rd-party vendors became so important to the market. the economics of scale may also dictate that e-frontier won't give an extra discount to P6 users, but those already have the advantage of a shorter learning curve, and time is money. it's well-known dogma here that some are more equal than others, hence P6 users will have the smallest shock when they start using P7.

I look at it this way,kudos to the people that got poser 4 and 5 for free and i missed a dam good sale :) Happens to me all the time lol

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You can do all that and more from Python. I have written support for 3Delight and a basic Yafray plugin (feel free to work on it, it's GPL licensed) and other people have created things like PoserPhysics, Wardrobe Wizard or GlowWorm.

I'm also a little disappointed that having bought P5 and P6 I'm asked to pay the same as someone who got P5 for free. But that's life.

For me though, EF are now competing for my cash with Maxon (I just upgraded to R10 of C4D) and Vue (I want to upgrade to V6I as soon as it's released). Also, with interPoser Pro to load Poser content into C4D, I just don't see the need for Poser itself any more, unless there are real, radical improvements and not just a bundle of content I don't want or need.

So I won't be rushing to upgrade.

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I'm not going to rush to upgrade. I have an uncomfortable feeling that a "fixed" version of Poser would really need to have 64-bit, multiple-core, support, or it's just going to be left behind. Anyway, I'll let somebody else find out what works. P7 could easily be in new-computer territory, and I want to be sure that it is worth that cost. The software itself, upgrade or full price, isn't the expensive problem.

No big deal. Easy come easy go.

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Just so you don't feel your thread has been hijacked - I have stated in other threads that I am very unhappy about the upgrade pricing and feel some concession should be offered to P6 users...

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Lets analyze this:

Poser 4 is old. It has been reworked as Poser Artist for those who want to check it out.

Poser 5 is given away free for a limited time and is now for sale for $20.00

You like what you got for cheap? Then upgrade to the LATEST version coming down the pike.

The volume of $20.00 sales may help a little(?). There are those who wanted two licenses (or more) and they are playing it legal.

You dont want THOSE NEW folks to go away! You old timers hopefully will stick around. Already there are those who are like "Heck yeah! New Verision. I'm there!" and that's good.

I for one would love to pre-order but cannot at this time.

And if you search the forum here for the Poser x wishlists, I'm not sure if the question was REALLY Y answered if ones would be willing to forgo old content for a better/newer rigging system.

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I am not upset abotu the pricing stucture either, I never bought Poser 6 to get a better deal on Poser 7. 129 is a great price for Poser, regarless of which version I am using.

We can't know what improvments have been made either, so I will stay away from commenting on that as well...but Simon's eyes look weird.

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I'm a little disappointed, but I'll live, and if P7 is significantly better than P6, I'll upgrade for the price EF is asking.

Hell, it's no different than those people who bought V3 or M3 from DAZ shortly after release, only to find out later that the figure's have been made free. I don't hear anyone griping that people who paid for V3 should get more of a discount on V4 than people who got her at 0 cost.

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If you're joking that's just cruel, but if you're being sarcastic, that's even worse.

In reality the discount for the upgrade is only $20. Anyone can join CP and buy Poser 5 and the upgrade to poser 7 for 19.99+129.99 (149.98).

The people who should really feel cheated would be those new to poser who order the full version for $100 extra.

Quote - You can do all that and more from Python. I have written support for 3Delight and a basic Yafray plugin (feel free to work on it, it's GPL licensed) and other people have created things like PoserPhysics, Wardrobe Wizard or GlowWorm.

stewer you're right and especially Wardrobe Wizard is an excellent collection of Python scripts. But have a look, how smooth xfrog is integrated in Cinema 4D and watch the plugins for Carrara. Much better integration and higher flexibility!

I just think it is kind of silly to not disclose all the new and wonderful features that it may or may not have instead of trying to entice upgrades based solely on extra content. Content you can get later...what does the program do?...Has the interface been enhanced?...etc...

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Hell, it's no different than those people who bought V3 or M3 from DAZ shortly after release, only to find out later that the figure's have been made free.

DAZ made that right, by giving vouchers to people who had paid for the figures.

The people who should really feel cheated would be those new to poser who order the full version for $100 extra.

That would be me, when I first bought Poser. Poser 5 came out a week later, and the price of Poser 4 dropped $120. Boy, was I irate.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......
I'm all for getting everything as cheap as possible.
I should get Poser 7 for real cheap considering I have paid for upgrades since Poser 1.
I did skip 3 however, and opted to buy 4...so 1,2,4,5,6 .... Will I buy 7? Probably ... and hopefully for $129 or less. The upgrades have always been around $99... so with the cost of inflation and all that, $129 is more than reasonable....but I do agree that those with P6 should get a better discount than P4 , 5 users. It should be graduated....like 99, 119, 139, etc.

Now that I've posted that, didn't the exact same thing happen when P6 was released.? I remember posting this graduated pricing structure then as well :)
There was a better deal a bit later in the game, however, but if my memory is correct, it did not include that SE winterqueen deal, or the free copy of Shade 7 LE.

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It's nice to see a discussion like this here. I thank all that replied. I am aware it isn't the end of the world but it feels bad and I'm not so hot to upgrade anymore.

Actually, I bought Poser 6 specifically for the upgrade to 7. I put it way up on the top shelf, still in the shrink-wrap. Every now and then I'd look at it and mutter "someday they'll release v.7 - that's where you come in, buddy".

If all they're offering are some surface changes and a new pipeline for their content I will definitely pass. How many thigh-high rubber boots with matching bustiers can one V3 wear?

Quote - How do you feel about the fact that Poser 6 paid users have to pay the same price to upgrade to Poser 7 as those that got Poser 4 or 5 free or paid for an earlier version of Poser but didn't fork out any money to upgrade until Poser 7? I feel it is shameful of a company to treat its paying customers this way and it would be shameful of me to not say anything.

Depends how you view it. Should a p6 user be pissed off that another user found p4 and p5 enough to satisfy their needs? I went from 2 to 4 to 6 now should I be ashamed that I never bought 3 and 5? or pro pack? Should I feel bad that I never used 2 and 4 execept maybe for 2-3 days total in the time they were out for varying reasons since I found them lacking? Should I be pissed off at Daz after buying Bryce 5.5, which remains unopened still, back in january that they offered it for free or for around $10 recently? Shoud I be thankful I only bought that pos hexagon 2 for the 1.99 intro cost instead of full price? That answer is a resounding yes.

Last I checked both companies were in business to generate a profit to stay in business via software sales. Software upgrades are the greatest scams ever created since somehow people get it in their heads that once a new version is released their old one needs to be replaced no matter how well it works for them. I suppose I miss something in a eula along the way stating everyone from a point on now that you bought a version of software from said company must continue to buy every update and new version.

The only disrespect they could show their user base is to not have a upgrade option at a reduced price while jacking up the new versions price. Noone is holding a gun to your head to buy it I guess is what I'm saying.

I agree with modus0, if Poser 7 is worth it, I will purchase it. Has anyone noticed the system requirements, is it me are did they increase significantly for a PC?

Sharen

I'm in the same boat as Dave-so.

I too have used Poser since Version 1, upgraded each time - including P5, which I was actually happy with and which was working fine for me. Well ok, some glitches, but nothing as bad as most people seem to have gotten.

It would be nice if there were a distinction made between P4/P5 owners and P6 owners in terms of pricing, even if it were the $20 P5 apparently sells at.

I doubt it will happen, but would be nice if it were.

And this time I opted for the download / burn to CD option because P6 took over 2 weeks after release to get here in a box...

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Quote - I agree with modus0, if Poser 7 is worth it, I will purchase it. Has anyone noticed the system requirements, is it me are did they increase significantly for a PC?

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I'm right up with SAMS3D - In terms of the System Requirements.

The program itself looks like it would be well suited for high-end computers (considering that it needs 512/768 or higher of RAM usage and a 'DVD-ROM') - and with all the talk of another MS Windows platform 'Vista' needing the same requirements (again 1GigRAM and a DVD-ROM) ... kinda makes you wonder. :ohmy:

From what I saw when they made the announcement, I wasn't impressed at first. It seemed quite early in the game for them to start up another 3d program yet we're still in the Poser 6 mode. It's been thread after thread about talks of P7 and now it's here -- wow, oh wow! ['scuse the sarcasm]

But then again, I too am not happy about them shrugging off Poser 6 users for a discount. I, a Poser 6 user myself when it first shipped last year, and been a user of Poser 4 since '03. Unfair to say the least, but that's life!

It's two sides from all of this -- On one hand I'm shocked and in awe -- since we're using version 6, now up comes 7 and we still have to pay for the upgrade; and on the other, It seems like it will be so much in this next application that I'm not amazed at all (hence the System Requirements), unless they have all the things that all the posters here are looking for (e.g.: better rigging) -- Don't you just love their 'secret' surprises?

All and all, I will wait until I see some improvements that will make me want to get it, despite the cost... I'll hold off next time.

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we'll either be impressed or dismayed i doubt they'll be any middle ground lol.

as far as p6 users , maybe they should get treated a bit better price wise but i say good on you to all those who got a free poser with the chance of an upgrade. it's nice to see people get something this way. i suspect p5 was given free for this very reason. more will pay for an upgrade than the full price. if a lot wouldn't buy p5 , they prob wouldn't buy p7.but now they have it for free they may pay to upgrade to p7

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i suspect p5 was given free for this very reason. more will pay for an upgrade than the full price. if a lot wouldn't buy p5 , they prob wouldn't buy p7.but now they have it for free they may pay to upgrade to p7

Very good point Billy, that hadn't occurred to me, but I think you're right.

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Possible on P5 --> P7, but it still begs the question why the upgrade price from P4/P5 is the same as the upgrade price from P6.

Just my opinion. I think P6 owners ought to get some pricing slack over P4/P5 owners, since P6 is the current version.

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cos think the p6 users will go along with it even if they complain. they've shown their willingness to fork out the cash for p6 so the assumption will be they'll do the same for p7 upgrade. from what ive seen in these threads they're right

billy

Right, I am am happy that someone started this thread because since I read about the 'anticipated release of P7', I am fuming.

I also think that we we P6 users should get a better deal, especially since if you order P6 now you get 7 for free(!!) and you can of course purchase the upgrade if you got P5 for free, for the same price than us...I think the loosers in this game are those who bought P6 last year. I feel these were 250 bucks down the drain...

And then..that is not all, we are left with a bloaty P6 version in which one can't render complexe scenes without chopping texture size and other little tricks, without expecting yet another SR to maybe fix this since all that is dropped with the release of a new version.

Another insult in P6 was of course the fact that we had to BUY the morphs for their content at RDNA as they didn't provide them in the first place. Now P7 comes with an 'amazing casino', well frankly, I couldn't care less because all new content requires us to buy the stuff that goes along with it and I'll delete it anyway...

Frankly, I feel insulted and hope that E-Frontier reads all feedback about the 'anticipated release' because so far, only the minority is really anticipating whilst the rest is waiting to see..

Lev

and let me add, I think that P5 being released for free and now for 20 bucks is their response to DAZ Studio and so is the release of P7 since P6 is bloaty and probably wasn't worth the effort in regards of fixing all these issues, so the meeting ended in 'Let's release a new version'...

From the Pre-order FAQ:

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I recently bought Poser 6. Do I get a free upgrade to Poser 7?

If you purchased Poser 6 (full version or upgrade) on or after October 11, 2006, you will get a FREE electronic download copy of Poser 7 Special Edition when it becomes available.

I recently downloaded Poser 5. Do I get a free upgrade to Poser 7?

No. You first must upgrade to Poser 6 ($129.99) after October 11, 2006 to receive a FREE upgrade to Poser 7.

It still looks like the free copy owners of P5 get the upgrade for the same price - but at least they aren't getting a free upgrade to P7.

Silke

if you buy p6 now you get a free copy of p7 and not an upgrade, if you have p5 you have to pay for an upgrade and not a free copy. if you bought p6 prior to the 11th you have to pay the same as p5 upgraders and you only get an upgrade which is different than a free copy. the people who got p5 free not only get that free. they get a p7 upgrade free. remeber they pay for the p6 upgrade.....if they do they get p7 upgrade free. p6 users only get one upgrade p5 users get two hence one is free.

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Quote - Actually, I bought Poser 6 specifically for the upgrade to 7. I put it way up on the top shelf, still in the shrink-wrap. Every now and then I'd look at it and mutter "someday they'll release v.7 - that's where you come in, buddy".

If all they're offering are some surface changes and a new pipeline for their content I will definitely pass. How many thigh-high rubber boots with matching bustiers can one V3 wear?

well if all you did with p6 was top shelf it, had you waited you could have bought p6 now and got a free copy of p7 though that would have meant you'ld had to have had 20/20 hindsight lol

billy

You have to have a DVD-ROM in order to run P7? Great, that's just great, I don't have a DVD-ROM drive in my present box or going in the new one. I don't watch DVD's on my computer so I never saw a need for one. Now we have to have an extra piece of hardware, which won't be used much, in order to use the disk that comes with P7?

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they should have an ordering option for CD or DVD packaging.
EF forces their whim on the customer...another act of great customer service. The download option is too large as well. They should at least break it down into several files...such as add on content, figures, program, etc

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I have had a DVD Burner on my computer since they were value priced enough to afford one, it si a good investment and not just for watching movies ( which I will not do on my computer) but for sheer size of storage...right now I can get my whole runtime on 2 of them instead of 12 CD's.

But I feel that this will also stop some from buying it...

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I believe that DVD is a good investment however, I've already ordered my new system and a DVD combo drive was not in the original budget hence will not have one installed. I wasn't going to have a floppy installed either but since a lot of raid drivers and SATA drivers still come on floppys I had one installed. I haven't had need for a floppy in a long time.

But hey what do these corps care anyway. They don't give a flyin' f**k if you have the funds to update your gear anyway. They are like alot of others who think everyone just has cash buried in the back yard in coffee cans.

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here's a thought...buy the DVD drive now instead of P7. DVD burners are now under $40, so its not a big investment.
Buy P7 when they have the first sale a week after release for $79.99 ..

You will miss out on the spy stuff and the 6 months free passport, but all will be well.

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yeah I do not have a floppy :)

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I hope they have improved the hair room handeling of hair on other mesh than heads. I have written them about this a couple of times.
Some kind of "skullcaps" for whole animals for example. But I guess that isn't doable. :sad:

Couldn`t a thing like a bodysuit be made for an animal to use as an animal "skullcap"?

Anyone recall the parable of the workers in the vineyard?

...reaches for another arrow...

I believe the word to describe how you are feelinbg is known as,,,Hypocisy?

I think Ill-Sentiment toward E-Frontier's "Gener'osity", should be leaving you a little more respect for those of whom kept the fire alive when you were'nt anywhere from a Hard Place, and what that really means to someone that has experienced Poser since purchasing stock from Metacreations, to afford a copy of Poser 3, while in college!

And however that is what you are thinking you're worth by asking for any discount on a any newer version of Poser, form any previous version, from the get go!

I think it is not fair for the P6 owners or even to P4-P5 owners who paid the real price for their version but it doesn't stop me from sleeping.

In any case, I am very satisfied with Poser 6 and I will not buy Poser 7 unless there is something in it that makes it REALLY worth the expense. I probably will wait for Poser 10 if I'm still alive by that time. I have a software that is a version 7 and that I had for 6-7 years. That software is now at version 17-18 or something like that but I never upgraded after version 7 because I am very satisfied with this one. I feel the same way about Poser.

And if e-Frontier ever comes up with a "new" Poser that would not use my old content... then I'm stuck for life on Poser 6!!!

France, Proud Owner of

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Well from what I have read so far about P7...The new thing about it is a bunch of New models....I haven't seen anything about any improvements on the program it self. If that's the case then there's no reason for me to buy P7.....I rather get Vue 6 instead then.....

So what makes P7 better then p6???

Well, I got Poser 3 and 5 for next to nothing (5 was free, but 3 cost me the price of a magazine. Pity I never saw one with 4 on it..the money I coulda saved...:| )

While it's the business of art, it's still a business. Beleive me, pricing strategy was looked at, and Poser set a policy to maximize their profits.You can't always please everyone, just as many as is feasible. While it's not 'fair ' (this is real life, folks, who said anything about fair?..;), I can sympathize; Bryce 5 was free about the same time. Stings, but now, like Stacy Jones, I got 2..;)

Jevans69 has had a good point in one of these threads about writing software. For those of us that go back to the introduction of Poser 5 (what a screaming match that was prior to release; the forum ran red with blood and gore for people wanting it right now, not a second later, and then when it came out, the same people were screaming because it was buggy..;) Release in haste, repent at lesiure..;) I'd rather wait longer to have something that works, than get it right now and have to wait for SP releases..having used new OS's from Dos 2.1 to XP Pro, you're going to see obsolescence..trust me..

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Wow, I can't believe all the complaining about the pricing inrelation to the Poser 4 giveaways. Yes it's a super deal for those. I think the complain that I hear is. They got it for nothing and I didn't. I worry what I can control, not what I can't. I hear that a lot these days.

Hey it is your right to complain. But barring any accident that can change A Persons life. Life will go on! I would hate to think that I would let something like this destroy my being happy with what I am able to do with Poser 6. I had bought every poser since version 4.

I am happy every day with the things I can produce with Poser. Try painting your scenes, or Making animations with cells. As long as the price remains in a price that I can afford, I will find a way to buy it. .

I have to have a DVD-Rom drive now?

That's probably only because the file size of Poser 7, burned to a disc, will take up more than the 700 MB that as standard CD has.

Considering that P7 requires a minimum of 1 GB, I imagine the total amount that they'd need to put on a disc to hold all the content, as well as the installation programs, and the other stuff necessary would amount to somewhere between 800-900 MB, meaning they have to put in on a DVD instead of a CD.

Of course, if you choose the download option, you don't need a DVD drive, but that's up to the individual person and their Internet connection.

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If you're joking that's just cruel, but if you're being sarcastic, that's even worse.

I am looking forward to P7.

As for what it will and won't do: I'll reserve judgement on any such matters until I've actually used the program for awhile. Until then, it's just speculation. But if I have to speculate -- then I'd lean towards positive speculation.

Assuming the worst before the thing has even begun might be human nature: but I'd rather experience it first. Then I'll judge.

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Oh yeah......the price? IMO: it's a deal no matter which angle you view it from. And hey -- if cheaper pricing for diehard P4 users finally brings them over to current times -- then that's all to the good.

Something To Do At 3:00AM

Quote - Oh yeah......the price? IMO: it's a deal no matter which angle you view it from. .

Is it? All we know at the moment is about the knew content. We know they'll list 6 more reasons but until they tell us what they are how do we know they are worth the $129?

Quote - From the Pre-order FAQ:

BEWARE THE SMALLPRINT!

I recently bought Poser 6. Do I get a free upgrade to Poser 7?

If you purchased Poser 6 (full version or upgrade) on or after October 11, 2006, you will get a FREE electronic download copy of Poser 7 Special Edition when it becomes available.

I recently downloaded Poser 5. Do I get a free upgrade to Poser 7?

No. You first must upgrade to Poser 6 ($129.99) after October 11, 2006 to receive a FREE upgrade to Poser 7.

It still looks like the free copy owners of P5 get the upgrade for the same price - but at least they aren't getting a free upgrade to P7.

Uhm yes. But on oct. 13th, Krazik said in the Poser 7 forum at CP:

post Oct 13 2006, 06:45 AM Post #8

If you guys purchased P6 within 30 days of today (10/12/06). Contact e-frontier support and you get a free upgrade to P7

so...

Quote - > Quote - Oh yeah......the price? IMO: it's a deal no matter which angle you view it from. .

Is it? All we know at the moment is about the knew content. We know they'll list 6 more reasons but until they tell us what they are how do we know they are worth the $129?

That's purely an individual decision. For some people -- you couldn't give it away to them for free. Poser -- in any form -- doesn't appeal to them; so for those individuals P7 would have no value whatsoever. While for others: they'd be willing to pay out $1000 or more for the same functionality.

Once again: I choose to be optimistic about such matters. And if in the end, P7 doesn't live up to my expectations -- which I doubt will happen -- but you never know until you know -- it won't ruin my day.

It's just an attitude thing. A choice that I make......like everyone else does.

To answer your question: yes -- it's a fantastic deal.

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I'm just frustrated because I paid full price for P6 last year. its my first venture into the Poser world. I had to pay full price to get the base code so I could upgrade later. And now this? I'd like a better deal on the upgrade, thank you very much, if you're going to give people who only paid 20 dollars for the base code the upgrade price.

Thats all I have to say.

Quote - I'm just frustrated because I paid full price for P6 last year. its my first venture into the Poser world. I had to pay full price to get the base code so I could upgrade later. And now this? I'd like a better deal on the upgrade, thank you very much, if you're going to give people who only paid 20 dollars for the base code the upgrade price.

Thats all I have to say.

That's a perfectly legitimate opinion. Perhaps e-f is listening.

I believe that e-f is wanting to get people to move on. Their current approach will probably help to achieve that goal. Or at least that would be my expectation.

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Ken should have demanded a palimony agreement first!

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" ~George Orwell

Quote - since P6 is bloaty and probably wasn't worth the effort in regards of fixing all these issues, so the meeting ended in 'Let's release a new version'...

Have you even used p6?

I'm not upset at the pricing. Seems to me they are trying to folks off of P4...so they can stop supporting it. Makes sense to me.

P6 by far is my favorite version of the program. I'm waiting for the new features to be released before I decide to upgrade. I like the content...but it's not enough anymore.

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Quote - That's a perfectly legitimate opinion. Perhaps e-f is listening.

I believe that e-f is wanting to get people to move on. Their current approach will probably help to achieve that goal. Or at least that would be my expectation.

It wouldn't bother me so much if it wasn't for the cult of passport they created. I hate. Positively Hate. How they made the Poser Tech support forums for passport members only. Its just... ridiculous. Yes, Daz has its Platinum Club, but you know, at leasts Daz's tech support is open to everyone and not in a members only forum. Hmpf.

E-frontier does things in a manner that divides and isolates the community, and I don't like that kind of schism being created by a corporation.

Quote - It wouldn't bother me so much if it wasn't for the cult of passport they created. I hate. Positively Hate. How they made the Poser Tech support forums for passport members only.

Those forums are Content Paradise support forums, if you want tech support from E-Frontier, you have to use the contact form at the EF web site.

Don't feel bad.... I've paid full price for Poser 4, then paid upgrade for Poser 5 (when it was still expensive to upgrade) and then paid for the Poser 6 upgrade. Still I'm paying just as much as those who did get Poser5 for free and only paid for the Poser 6 update.

Loyal customers don't mean anything anymore these days, it's all about getting new customers.

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Quote - Wow, I can't believe all the complaining about the pricing inrelation to the Poser 4 giveaways. Yes it's a super deal for those. I think the complain that I hear is. They got it for nothing and I didn't. I worry what I can control, not what I can't. I hear that a lot these days.

Hey it is your right to complain. But barring any accident that can change A Persons life. Life will go on! I would hate to think that I would let something like this destroy my being happy with what I am able to do with Poser 6. I had bought every poser since version 4.

I am happy every day with the things I can produce with Poser. Try painting your scenes, or Making animations with cells. As long as the price remains in a price that I can afford, I will find a way to buy it. .

First, people aren't saying they won't buy it, or that the price is outrageous.

Second, the complaint is NOT that people got Poser 5 for free (it was not Poser 4). It was an older version of the program, and I think the free giveaway was nice - I'm happy for those who got it. The complaint is that those who DID get Poser 5 for free are NOW gettting Poser 7 for the same price as people who PAID for Poser 6, and/or 5, and/or 4. If eFrontier was offering a slightly better discount for those who already had Poser 6 - or some additional free content, or a coupon for $$$ of at Content Paradise, I don't think you'd be hearing so much annoyance. Certainly wouldn't be hearing it from me. I just feel, like many others, that it shows a certain disrespect to long time customers when they give the same "upgrade" price to people who never paid a penny for a program as for those of us who've been buying it for years. - Alisa

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The only way to solve this is for all loyal customers not buy the upgrade.....(the room then when silent) (chirp,chirp)..................:)

I can't say I won't buy the upgrade, or that I will. HOnestly? I want better reasons than content and a Passport. I have no reason for a passport really. : )

at the end of the day it's a business. they're out to make money, as much as they can. to think actually think about loyal customers in the context some mention is silly. the only time they'll consider the loyal paying customer is if they think they won't part with their loyal cash. they charge what they think the market will pay. to think they owe anyone anything is a tad naive. they didn't force you to buy p6 or anything else. at the end of the day they and most other businesses don't give a rats arse about loyal customers. in fact it's probably one of the reasons they gave away p5....to create more loyal custors that they won't have to give a crap about. we're all just a matter of economics to them. not ure about anyone else bit i can accept that.

billy

Quote - For those of us that go back to the introduction of Poser 5 (what a screaming match that was prior to release; the forum ran red with blood and gore for people wanting it right now, not a second later, and then when it came out, the same people were screaming because it was buggy..;) Release in haste, repent at lesiure..;) I'd rather wait longer to have something that works, than get it right now and have to wait for SP releases..having used new OS's from Dos 2.1 to XP Pro, you're going to see obsolescence..trust me..

All I want to know is what are the new advances in P7. Poo poo the content BS I want to know what makes this program tick. I don't see what the blazes is so wrong with that. Content can be had any place but most of us, if not all, want to know what the improvement over P6 this new release will have.

I agree to wait a little longer for something that works is logical saves a lot of headaches. I remember the rumblings for the release of P5. It was like listening to a bunch of spoiled children, " I want, I want, I want it now! Give it to us now!!!" and like spoiled children they were not happy once they got what they wanted. I think the price is okay by me however my money doesn't part from me easily I don't care if it's a damn $129 bucks or not ( Thank my Scottish mother for my thriftiness) I want more intel before I make a jump and if there are no real big changes from P6 then they will not get my 129 quid, bucks, yen, denero, denars, Euros, bones, bread or skins....LOL!!

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I've never heard this much whining and boo-hooing over a software title before.

sure, the decent thing to do would be to offer a little more of a discount to those who paid full price for p5 and p6. but as it is, everyone is still getting a discount, unless you've never owned a valid copy of poser before. be glad they're giving that, as they don't have to, and few titles I've ever seen do. Those that do are exactly that - an upgrade. You don't get to keep the previous version of the program on your pc - the upgrade updates all your current files.

example.
i played ultima online for over 5 years and saw several expansions/upgrades to the game in that time. (At least 5 that I can remember). I paid $30 for my first copy, (on sale) and less than six months later another expansion was released. There was no discount for current customers. If I wanted the expansion when it was released I was going to pay $40, like everybody else. All the expansions included the entire game, not just the expansion. Which meant that for new players, they got the previous version of the game along with the new expansion. Should EA Games have refunded their long-time player base the $30 to $40 they paid back when the previous game was new? Not to mention the monthly $10 it cost every month just to play the game.

NO. Why would they?

And every expansion after that ran the same way. New players got the advantage of not having to have paid $40 every time a new version came out, while long-time vet players had to fork out the cash if they wanted to keep playing.

Same for WoW. They're about to release the first expansion to warcraft. It's 40 bucks. It includes the same game that's currently being played, along with the expansion. I've played it for two years (off and on). Should I get a discount on the new expansion?

NO.

Stop whining. And be glad that you don't have to pay the full $250, unless you want the program in hard copy and orginal packaging.

And what is with ALL the criticising of a program that NOBODY has seen the first features of? Where is the logic in that??

"Uli Klumpp, Director of Product Development at e frontier and long-time Poser Product Manager said, “Compared to all previous versions, this release is the most significant one to date. Poser 7 will have a powerful combination of new content, new features and improvements that modernizes and invigorates its foundation. We have also added many features that our long time customers have requested. The bottom line is that both the Poser professional and the casual enthusiast will have more robust and more powerful 3D figure design and animation software. Poser 7 will make their creative workflow more enjoyable.”

Listing the bonus content first doesn't mean it's the best feature, or the #1 feature of p7. All it means is that it's the first new feature they've listed. And since the content specified in that feature is limited to pre-order sales only, it makes sense that they would list it first. Had they waited to announce it in week 7 of the promo, you'd all be complaining that it's unfair because it's LE content and there wasn't enough time to pre-order it.

Because it doesn't matter what a company does, SOMEBODY is ALWAYS going to find SOMETHING to complain about.

My suggestion is, if you really feel like you've been shafted by poser, you always have D|S to use instead ;)

~E.D.

Every now and then you have to whine how else will these company's know what there customers like or dislike....lol

But if you want a real deal do not upgrade now wait until P8 comes out and you might get P7 for free or half price...LOL...

At the risk of getting flamed, I think a lot of people are missing the point here. E-Frontier is a business and they have the right to set whatever pricing structure they want. There is no law stating that they HAVE to even offer an upgrade price. If they decide to give previous software away and then allow people to upgrade from it then that is their perrogative (in fact it is down-right generous to new customers). I'm sure new users to Poser are very thankful to E-Frontier that they have been allowed to do this. Why should we be annoyed at their generosity. Like someone said before in this thread its like the parable of the vineyard. People are annoyed at the fact that someone else is getting a better deal than them. Well, consider this, if you had waited for Poser 5 to become free you'd have never had the chance play with it all this time so you have had a couple of years head-start with the software for your money over those poor people who had to wait.

For the record, my impatience to play with the new software has made me buy the Poser upgrades each time simply because nothing else gave me the ability to pose and generate portrait images for that price. However, this time I am going to wait as I feel Cararra 5.1 gives be far better renders than Poser. With Poser 5 and Carrara 5.1 you have everything you need to create fantastic renders, and use all the superior content for Vicky and Michael at DAZ and renderosity (lets face it the figures supplied with Poser itself are a bit of a joke - if realism is what you are after then forget them!) Even if P7 was free, I'd have to see something very special in it to waste any more disk space and the pictures of the new content is not even mildly rocking my boat!

Good luck to all the new Poser users out there and congratulations on picking up a bargain!

I myself still use P4 Pro Pack, i tried p6 and really really didn't like it..... Personally,i dont see any use in the extra features as they dont match my style of work (see gallery to get what i mean), i dont go for realism, and i'm working on painting clothe and hair, so i see little point in having the hair/clothe room... so i just use pro pack...

Unless p7 has something spectacularly different, like figures that pose without deformations, or volumetric lighting (which will only save me the trouble of painting out joints...etc...) i dont think i'd be buying it.... I think i'll wait until its been out a couple of months...been through the traditional upgrade situation...like "quick...a problem we need a new patch.....and again...and again..." lol... if you get me.....

I'd like to see the results rendered myself before i buy, and to be honest...have you seen the two new characters Simon and Sydney?? THEY'RE HIDIOUS!! If not more ugly that Jessi!!! I think i'll stick with V3 and Stephanie thanks...hehe

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For whatever reason, e-f is announcing the P7 content first. In my book: content runs a distant second in importance to the program's new features. I'll be looking forward to seeing the features.

But I'm certainly not going to be judging those new features sight-unseen. In fact, I'm not even going to waste my time by bitterly implying that those new features won't be up to par. Because frankly: I don't know yet. And guess what.......neither do you.

In the 3D world, $129 is chicken feed.

I fully expect that I'll enjoy using P7. In fact, I fully expect that I'll be thrilled with it.

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XENOPHONZ tell the truth your part owner of Poser 7.... LOL ... I love P4 pro and I didn't upgrade until P6 ... But P7 has to impress me before I upgrade to that version...I agree with many of you guys New Models does not = Bucks out of my pocket...lol...Waiting to see what's new features it has if any...

Even if the new content was without any value to me......which is an assumption that I won't make ahead of time.......but even if it was: the new features would still be the main thing running away.

The DAZ figures are just as good as they've ever been. Perhaps better with V4. So the content aspect is already well covered. It's the P7 features......far and away.

My presumption for P7 will fall on the positive side until it's proven otherwise. I won't start from the standpoint of assuming the negative.

Nope, I don't own ef. Waiting here, too. But anticipating the best.

Something To Do At 3:00AM

I feel cheated , the Poser 5 that cost me $179 three years ago is now being sold for $20. That means if I downloaded a free copy of P5 I cant sell it at a massive profit on ebay, what bastards.

:)

seriously, there is often a tiered upgrade price for prior versions but would anybody be happy with a difference of say $10 bucks ?

I have P5 , I didnt bother with P6 because my work is not the best it can be with P5, so why pay another $120 bucks or so for it to be mediocre but with trickier lighting effects.

I now have Carrara 5, so I need to see if P7 gives me something other than content that might make it worth purchasing, rather than just render in Carrara.

I find it much more interesting to note that for the same upgrade price, I can get Poser 6 at once , the Poser 7 upgrade when released, the extra P7 casino content pack, a $10 coupon for CP and 6 months CP membership.

If I had any money to spend :( it would be a very very good deal. :)

The PC that cost me around $2500 a mere 3 years ago is now worth perhaps $300 -- if that much.

Computers (and the software that runs on them) are not items which can retain their initial value. PC's and software do not improve with age.

Something To Do At 3:00AM

The saddest, biggest ripoff I've ever seen is shopping in Circuit City/Best Buy/Office Max (insert any retail store) for Computers and Computer Parts. An utter ripoff and most of it is mediocre or garbage.

I will always buy my PC and it's parts online, such as Shopping at TigerDirect.com. I do hate waiting but frankly it's worth the wait.

Sorry to derail but it's a travesty in my book.

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Quote - The PC that cost me around $2500 a mere 3 years ago is now worth perhaps $300 -- if that much.

Computers (and the software that runs on them) are not items which can retain their initial value. PC's and software do not improve with age.

about 4 yrs ago i paid 2300 pounds for my toshiba sat 5200-902 i saw it on sale about 6 months ago for around 2000 pounds sterling. the bad thing about is that when the dvd multi drive went kaput i couldn't just put any drive in cos it has a unique shape...i had to spend about 250 pounds to get a replacement. saying that, it's been a great machine for me. not sure what it goes for now

billy

Quote - i saw it on sale about 6 months ago for around 2000 pounds sterling.

Did you mean to say six months later?

Yep. I'm thinking that it's about time to 'invest' in a new one. But the thought of the quick decline in value which follows........no matter what type of PC you buy.......is just something that we have to accept if we want to be in the game.

Something To Do At 3:00AM

In my humble opinion it's all about money. If E-Frontier only limited the upgrade to Poser 6 owners, then they wouldn't make as much profit. Everyone know's how that goes. Money makes the world turn. Bottom line is, it's a shame that companies don't really worry about what the consumer wants unless it makes them more money. I for one pre-ordered it, but that's me I'm a Poser junky.

nope i meant about 6 months ago. saying that i just checked out the toshiba site and it looks like they don't do that model any more lol. sooooooooo i checked out ebay and and whilst they have spares i only saw one 902 with a lower spec up at 700 euros...i;ll keep my eyes out now for a spare dvd combo cos this ones bound to go again. when i got it it was classed as technologically safe. that held true for the best part of 3 yrs which is good when you see some of the other pc's getting outdated after 6 mnths. i've no doubt tosh do an equiviellent machine but now whn i get a pc i just get it built how i want it. as for lap tops, i'll never spend that kind of money on one again. i'd sooner just get a clunker and put the xtra towards my next desktop lol.

i do remember gettin one laptop and when i went back to the store to get some discs and stuff two weeks later it was selling for half it's price. i wasn't a happy bunny lmao

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I count myself as lucky, I finally decided to upgrade to Poser 6 on Oct 3. Low and behold 10 days later i see this add for BUY Poser 6 upgrade and get upgraded to Poser 7 for free. I contacted e-fronteir and since i was still in the 30-day window they allowed me to cancel my order and re-order the new package. So I get P6 now and P7 when its released

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I'm not too upset mainly because I hope they keep this pricing scheme when I skip the P7 upgrade and go straight to P8.

I bought my last mass produced machine years ago. It was an HP and I hated the fact I could not do any upgrades hardware wise unless it was stuff bought from HP. My present machine was built from parts at newegg and the new machine I'm getting is being built by a small outfit in NY with an excellent resellersratings.com rating of 10. I like being able to replace parts myself without going threw the hell Dell, HP and some of the others PC makers put you through. Not only that buying parts through Newegg can be a lot cheaper than buying them through the big PC houses and you get a better quality part.

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I personally assumed that new content was being revealed first because it is of lower importance than the rest of the new stuff. I expect each new revelation to be more impressive than the previous, or at least I'm hoping so. I'd rather have new features that let the current figures pose better (as well as less set-up to the dynamics) than new figures to start over with.

So, they're going to tell us one new thing per week until release? I didn't catch that they were scheduling it that way.

Quote - So, they're going to tell us one new thing per week until release? I didn't catch that they were scheduling it that way.

It said "in the coming weeks" , rather than "one a week". I still have my emails from the P6 release, and they did it over about 4 weeks (having a few "reasons" per email). And, for that release, the content was the last thing revealed..

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Maybe people had complained that content was the last reason to upgrade to Poser6, so this time they made it first to disappoint a different third of their users? (With a remaining third left waiting to be disappointed when new content is one of the middle reasons to upgrade to Poser8, of course.)

Doesn't bother me at all! ;) Newtek does the same thing with Lightwave. I've upgraded to LW through each upgrade and the same with Poser since version One. It's good to know that if I actually DO end up skipping an upgrade I won't have to pay a penalty when I go to upgrade to the next version.

Someone already mentioned here, but most here don't buy the upgrade in hopes of getting the next upgrade for less - they buy it because it (hopefully) has improved workflow and will make life easier for them. You have been able to use the software all this time while those using older versions have not had the new updates.

Quite a few software vendors actually DO charge more if you are upgrading from an older version - it was one of the BIG reasons I decided NOT to upgrade to World Construction Set. Why should I pay more when I never got to use the improvements in the version above mine? Well, this is just my opinion, but 3D Nature lost a sale because it charges more for older upgrades.

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i know others wont agree with me but i'd love to see the grouping functions made better. a "hide selected group" button would make a vast difference to it. specially for doing between toe and finger joints and the eyeballs

billy

Quote - Quite a few software vendors actually DO charge more if you are upgrading from an older version - it was one of the BIG reasons I decided NOT to upgrade to World Construction Set. Why should I pay more when I never got to use the improvements in the version above mine? Well, this is just my opinion, but 3D Nature lost a sale because it charges more for older upgrades.

Well, presumably those improvements will carry over to all future versions, right? For example, Poser 6 retains the firefly renderer from version 5. So if you were upgrading to 6 from 4, why should you only pay for the features that were added to version 6 and not the ones added to version 5 that you never paid for? I don't think the Poser 7 upgrade is unreasonably priced, but I expected at least a $30 difference between upgrading from 6 and upgrading from 5.

I still think blender has the best upgrade pricing. ;)

Quote - presumably those improvements will carry over to all future versions, right? For example, Poser 6 retains the firefly renderer from version 5. So if you were upgrading to 6 from 4, why should you only pay for the features that were added to version 6 and not the ones added to version 5 that you never paid for? I don't think the Poser 7 upgrade is unreasonably priced, but I expected at least a $30 difference between upgrading from 6 and upgrading from 5. I still think blender has the best upgrade pricing. ;)

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Like I said... " I never got to use the improvements in the version above mine."

If I decided to skip a version (for whatever reason) why should I pay for something I didn't get to use? I can see what you're saying about the technologies being carried over, but I would be paying for that next upgrade anyway. You got what you paid for and were able to use it while I was "stuck" using the older version. Imagine if your computer hardware had the same "upgrade policy?" In order for you to use that quad core Xeon you have to either have used all upgrades since day one (spending many thousands of $$) and pay $3.550.00 for this new PC.... OR pay $75,212.58 if you are now upgrading from a Pentium 100 with 16mb (yes, MB) of RAM. The fact is... if you didn't upgrade every system throughout you didn't get the benfits of the better/faster systems. But if you want to upgrade now, you can - AND.... you don't have to pay for all of the previous upgrades!

Just a little perspective....

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