Are you really planning to charge members 24.95 to change there usernames?

Don’t get me wrong, I think this is a fantastic feature but, why would you have members pay for a name change when all they have to do is create another username for free?

Most people have at least two or more email addresses, so putting together another member profile is easy, “and free.”

 

Doing this name change thing…is it really that labor intensive that you need to charge about 25.00 dollars’ to do it? There must be a program that could do the same job, and I’m sure that you have programmers right here within the community that would be glade to help design one for you.

 

I enjoy the new and improved “Renderosity” web site, I think it’s great and I know that there are still some members that just don’t like what your staff has done to this site…but as far as I’m concerned, you guys have two thumbs up from me…It’s just this paying for a new username thing has got me wondering. (Your not doing this just to boost your member numbers, are you?)

Here’s a thought, why not have a survey about this new feature…couldn’t hurt.

eeeek! 25 bucks? I reckon I shall hafta call the queen and tell her to hold off on my promotion to "lady nancy" for the foreseeable future :lol:

@ Miss Nancy....tooo precious....LOL

 

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I see a sound
and try to write it down
Sometimes they come out very soft
Tinkling light sound
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I highly doubt that the price is a manpower thing.  It's likely that the price is to dissuade people not to do this willy nilly to hide their identity after saying/doing bad things.

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Quote - Are you really planning to charge members 24.95 to change there usernames?

Don’t get me wrong, I think this is a fantastic feature but, why would you have members pay for a name change when all they have to do is create another username for free?

Most people have at least two or more email addresses, so putting together another member profile is easy, “and free.”

The problem that some people find with that is that they don't have access to their purchase history.  Sure you can create a new user name, but your purchase history isn't transferred to the new user name. So if you want access to it you currently have to login to an old user name. Some may not have a problem doing that, but most every post that I've seen where someone has expressed a desire to change their user name, once they find out that they can't transfer their purchase history, don't bother creating a new name.

Now if RO changes the name for you, then your purchase history goes with you. That seems to be what most people  have been wanting.

Personally I like my user name so I won't be utilizing the service.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

I can pay 24.95, but for change my wife!

Stupidity also evolves!

I understand why people would want to change their username rather than create a new one, but the question is why renderosity would charge for this service. If too many members ask for username changes, write a  form to do it faster so a person doesn't have to access the db manually.  IMO, if the system is so ill designed that it takes too long to change a username, the members shouldn't have to pay for that, the owners should eat the cost of the fix.  If they haven't been making profit from renderosity then someone in the marketplace admin has been lying about the state of the marketplace.  Part of that profit should be reinvested in fixing the business... better and faster than has been done.  Stacey and co, you guys generally do a good job (imo) and I think positively of you, hate to say this but this looks nothing more than money grubbing.  :/   And making it a feature story... omg. Please reconsider this move.  :(

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Quote - I can pay 24.95, but for change my wife!

Wish that were the case... it certainly cost me a lot more than that.

Captain Jack

Oh my!  I agree with April...  :blink:

Lucie
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AprilYSH, "well said, thank you."

That’s the only thing I don't understand about this new feature. What's the reason to charge 24.95 to change a member’s username?

** "IMO, shouldn't that feature be free to members anyway?"**

 

can someone direct me to this post?  I must have missed the announcement of this "feature"...I sure would like to read the logic behind it...

 

Thanks

Brandy

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/news.php?viewStory=13352

Here you go...

Lucie
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thank you

Brandy

Members of the Renderosity staff:

We’re not attacking you or Renderosity; we just want to understand why.

Wow I just assumed this funtion was available, it is so basic - very amazed to hear we have to pay for it.

On ebay they can do it for free - it may take a while, so why not here?

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Quote - "we just want to understand why." IMHO there's three possible reasons for this "offer": - insanity - drugs - a greedy mind :blink: A.

Someone said,
"I highly doubt that the price is a manpower thing.  It's likely that the price is to dissuade people not to do this willy nilly to hide their identity after saying/doing bad things."

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I don't know about that. far as I can tell, most of the stuff offered here for a cost is because they're hoping to cash in on it.
Something caused it - it doesn't seem like someone just pulled this idea out of their arse....
I figure alot of people sign up here with...whatever as a name. before long, alot of them see the MP and the amount of crud...I mean stuff which passes as...I mean becomes available for sale in the MP.
So, they say, 'hey, I have Poser and photoshop! I can do that!"
...but then they realize their username is "dungbeetle23", and think that maybe that's not the greatest for business...
...so they send an IM to an admin asking if their nick can be changed. Yeah, you can get a new account for free, but what they want is for everything currently attached to their old nick to follow along..gallery, join date, and so on.
So, this happens a few times (maybe many times) and suddenly a light bulb goes off in someone's head:
We can make money off this!!!
And there was much rejoicing...a Front page article, and, voila, there you are.

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Not like this is significant or anything, but when Russ was webmaster here, back in '02 (somewhere around there) he did it for me for free...on request, and it took him all of 5 minutes, if that.

So, this happens a few times (maybe many times) and suddenly a light bulb goes off in someone's head:   We can make money off this!!!

yes but...  25$ ???  :blink:  That's an awful lot of $ just to change a username...  Is it that complicated to change a username to justify this amount?

Lucie
finfond.net
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It's Capitalism; there is no need for justifying anything.
Ok, although I think prices with the .95 added to them sound so....Ronco .... or something for the Sunday paper ads and the supermarket shelves, they can charge what they want.
I'm assuming this is not being offered as a "feature" The cost is not just to cover expenses. This is a scheme to cash in on a need - to "capitalize", if it does ya. This is pure American capitalism in all its glory. ;)

Are there any "Renderosity Moderators" out there watching this discussion?

Please, chime into this thread if you know something that we don't.

 

Heh.
I'm kinda doubting there will be much "chiming in" by the moderators; there isn't likely anything any of them know that isn't explained about this, 'cause it's really a very simple thing:

1. You want username changed.
2. They offer to do that for $24.95
3. cha-ching!
4. There ya go - enjoy your new personailty, and thank you for shopping at RosityMart.

Of course I do have to wonder how many moderators there are here who think this is absurd and...embarassing, even... I know you'd love to say so, too...but....  ;)

Quote - So, this happens a few times (maybe many times) and suddenly a light bulb goes off in someone's head:   We can make money off this!!!

yes but...  25$ ???  :blink:  That's an awful lot of $ just to change a username...  Is it that complicated to change a username to justify this amount?

It's the wave of the future.

Many sites and online games are charging fees for "virtual" things like name changes, character transfers, in game items, character enhancements etc.

So long as people are willing to shell out the bucks, companies are going to keep coming up with ways to make that cash grab.  Renderosity is a for profit site and  it's purpose is to generate money. If they can generate revenue from user name changes, then they will do it.

The only reason that they have a gallery and forums is to attract people to the site in the hopes that those people will buy from their store.  If there wasn't a store here, I doubt this site would still be in existence.

People have been asking for a way to change their user name and be able to retain access to their gallery and purchase history with the new name. Renderosity is giving that option now. And they are doing it in such a way that people won't be inclined to abuse it by changing their user name everyday.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

And they are doing it in such a way that people won't be inclined to abuse it by changing their user name everyday.

I'd say!  ROFL

Lucie
finfond.net
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Please don’t view me as a heretic,

and banish me from the community…

"I like it here at Renderosity"  ** :** )

Just so I'm not to be taken wrong, I personally think this is great.
I'm not planning on doing it, but it's things such as this that keep it...shall we say...'interesting'...around here. :)

Quote - Just so I'm not to be taken wrong, I personally think this is great.
I'm not planning on doing it, but it's things such as this that keep it...shall we say...'interesting'...around here. :)

I'll say!  Right now I use a combination of key word, forum, date, and user name to search forums for threads. If people start changing their user names.... eeeek!  I'll never be able to find anything, LOL

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Maybe for an extra $9.95 you can elect to have member searches point to your new nick, even when your old one is entered. ;)

25$ ? I don't even pay that much for a new passport or identitycard here in Belgium.

Where is the time, maybe some of you remember when "service" offered by "a company" was for free and because the service was good people spread the word and more customers came.

If R'osity is afraid to get bombarded by name changes why not put : you have the right of one free namechange if you want another namechange in the future you have to pay for it" That sounds much more reasonable then wham charging for the first time. It's most unlikely that dunglebeetle will pick a similar name.

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Amaranth3D

The only thing I have to say on this is when I wanted to change my user name at another Poser site all I had to do was email one of the admins and it was done in about 10 minutes and at no charge.

When I first signed up for 'Rosity I was living in Missouri - hence the name.  I'm not there any longer and would like to change my nick but I refuse to pay $25 for something that can be done in the database quickly.

Hugz from Phoenix, USA

Victoria

Remember, sometimes the dragon wins. Correction: MOST times.

I think its stupid myself, no body in their right mind would buy their name to be changed. You used to be able to ask mods to change your name for free if you where having problems with other members etc...

Seems a waste of rendos time, as like others have stated you can easily make a duplicate rendo account. I have two myself, one for poser works and one for photography/2D. I like to keep the work seporate ya see.

I think because of all the merchants leaving rendo, and members, i think this is just another scheme for rendo to make money because of the loss of profit from their own stupidity.

When will rendo staff/mods...whoever this joint is run by, listen to its members!??  Has one person said anything postive about this new product in this thread? No.... only that its a good idea, that has been horribly overpriced!!

Now lets put this into perspective, msn groups, you can change your username with a click of a button in your profile settings.... for free may i add! The same on many other messages boards... now why can't rendo do the same? Its not complicated..... wait.....sorry, Money issues yet again....ahhh money makes the world go around and all that!!

I too would like to know why this has come into being, i for one wont be changing my username any time soon, as i am known around the web as LillianaSapphire/Mushypea.

Please don't flame me for stating my opinion, as I've seen happen to so many people on these forums, and people being banned for stating their opinion and proving mods wrong. I shant name names....

Thank you for letting me have my say, and i'm sure lots of other people are thinking the exact same thing!

Anna

 

this is the most ridiculas thing i have heard, charging to change a name, its outragious!
no way in hell would i pay to change my name, when i was Rubbermelon, i left that behind and opened a new account, not like i actualy bought anything on that one, and purchase history doesnt disapear it stays helps if you remember passwords ETC.
but $24.95 to change a few letters, PFFTTTTT wake up people, smell the coffee,  its called ripping people off!

i used to like this place but after the CHANGE its gone down the pan, and it aint comingo ut !

In the words of DarkStarRising:
"Sadness within sadness,
Darkness within darkness,
a shadow of a form lays upon the floor,
looking at herself
looking at her own shadows of loneliness"

Hmmm... I dunno how they came up with their valuation for the the process, but I can estimate what I might do if I were the tech support for a customer of mine that had a similar situation.

My guess is that the user name is probably used as a key in a lot of the database tables, so there are a number of data rows that will have to be changed, the new user name will have to be checked for uniqueness, the change will have to be synced with the timing of the process that allows new users to sign up, and probably will have to be synced with the backup routine. All of this can be automated of course, but for a user with hundreds of images, a similar amount of purchases, and a large number of forum posts, there's a lot of data to sync up for that one name change; the name change may run for a while and either a very smart program will have to schedule it or it will have to be manually scheduled by someone.

An important design criteria would be that the change occurs so as not to incur massive table locks, thus slowing the system down when it runs (Lord, please save us from slowdowns during updates, amen). I probably would spend a lot of hours coding and testing the new procedures, because of course, I wouldn't want to crash the system or prevent a user from being able to log back in later.

Let's say I spend 20 hours writing, debugging, and testing the new feature. I bill out at $120 per hour, which is 2,400 bucks. That figure would probably be higher if using an independent consultant, lower per hour cost but maybe more hours with an in-house team (because of other development priorities). So, roughly, it costs say a couple of thousand dollars to implement the new feature, and maybe a little to administer and keep an eye on it every so often. I have absolutely no idea how much adding such a feature actually cost them here, but that's an example what might be involved.

Since, as mentioned, R'osity is a business, and there is some cost involved in adding new features, part of the sales price of the feature is almost certainly to defray that development cost. I can also see the logic in pricing a feature to discourage frivolous use of it. Again, I have no idea if that's what they're doing, but I can imagine a business choosing to use that as an impetus for setting a pricing structure.

Captain Jack

 

"Thanks jevans69"
I just wish it was a Renderosity administrator that said all of that.

my experience with other php sites like this is that the admins absolutely hate doing a username change, as it entails all kinds of monkeying with the forum database, the gallery database, the market database, the freebies database, etc. ad infinitum. so it's an opportunity for somebody to write an app that automates this, rather than forcing the admins to do it manually. if they are gonna ask nic to write such an app, they gotta pay him. my estimate would be 40 hours at $40 per hour.

Shrug. I posted a "member opinion" to the front page feature but it wasn't accepted. I guess by "opinion" what they mean is "uncritical adoration".

If the RR database is so poorly designed that it takes a Herculean effort to change the username then it's certainly a novelty to expect the customers to foot the bill for it. If it's well-designed and the change is easy to do then it's just opportunistic money grabbing. Either way, what's left of RR's reputation takes another dent.

Relational databases are easy to change.  I used to program in dBase IV and to update all the databases meant only changing one field in the primary, which is where all the member information should be stored.

Please, people!  DON'T pay for this.  It's just too simple to change.

Hugz from Phoenix, USA

Victoria

Remember, sometimes the dragon wins. Correction: MOST times.

yup, i critted too, but eh, they dont like it!  well if this place is more about money the community, teh buh bye, im outta here, thanx for the 6 years of greatness! NOT

In the words of DarkStarRising:
"Sadness within sadness,
Darkness within darkness,
a shadow of a form lays upon the floor,
looking at herself
looking at her own shadows of loneliness"

We understand that $24.95 to change your username at Renderosity may seem like a lot. However, there were several factors taken into account before setting this as a service and determining what it would cost.

The first consideration was the fact that we have almost half a million users on our site and it is a manual process to change user names. Because the process is not automated, there is administrative time that will be involved in processing each request.

The price was set to cover our costs and serve as a mild deterrent so that people will not abuse the service. Yes, people can create a new account for nothing. However, the new account will not have any of their gallery images, Free Stuff, Tutorials, blogs, SiteMails, LinkShare, purchase history, etc. This service will carry that valuable data with it. 

Because we are a community built on relationships that are connected with a username, we do think it is important that members take care when choosing a name or changing their names.

Lillian Hawkins
Marketing Manager
By serving each other, we are free.

Burn the heretic at the stake in the centre of the marketplace  

Just kidding!!  Hadn't seen this, bloody lot of money innit!!!

Anyway, nobody would know who you were if you changed your name now!!!

I can think of loads of stuff on my wishlist that I'd rather spend my $25 on thanx!!!

Injustice will be avenged.
Cofiwch Dryweryn.

why isnt the process automated after the complete overhaul rendo has just gone through. sounds like someones trying to claw back some of what the overhaul cost.. i can't see many people using it though. what people may do is to rejoin and load everything else up again under the new name. lets say they do it four or five times.....they still have the original name to keep track of purchases etc.

billy

Sheesh!  How about $10..00 if you MUST charge??

 Not $25.00 for Goddess sake! :(

Quote - "The first consideration was the fact that we have almost half a million users on our site and it is a manual process to change user names. Because the process is not automated, there is administrative time that will be involved in processing each request." dangit! now that's some bad piece of impudence! too penny-pinching to bring this antique site to nowadays standard, and - even worse - now the kids are supposed to pay for that stingyness? spits out

How many of this almost half million users are just people who have created several accounts because they couldn't change their username?  ;)

Lucie
finfond.net
finfond.net (store)

LillianH;

I knew someone would be listening. Thank you for typing’ in and braving the waters.

** (This is some kinda noise we created...)    “Now what?”**

"How many of this almost half million users are just people who have created several accounts because they couldn't change their username?  ;)"

 Just HOW MANY of these 'almost half million' users are actually active??

Sheesh! No "quote" feature!!

Thefixer;

put those matches away, this is a peaceful demonstration.

**“We can all go over to Big Ed’s Barbeque when this is finished” **

my suggestion is to pay nic to add a module to automate the process. it's a selling point for bondware if username change is automated, as opposed to all the other php forum/gallery/marketplace software, in which username change is manual.

I'm in agreement here; Renderosity has no right whatsoever to attempt profitability as a privately held entity!  How DARE them!  I mean really!  I've seen it all now!  Just who do they think they are!  They're nothing but...but...well...they're MEANIES that's what they are!  Sheesh!  I'm leaving Renderosity!  And I mean it this time!  Good-Bye!

I really must complain.

Renderosity, it is NOVEMBER. by holding the annual footshooting BBQ at this time instead of the customary September, you've thrown all our Calendar settings out the window.

I too think that the price is a little high (I can just about buy a hardcover RPG book for that price), and the fact that there isn't an automated process to take care of the change seems a little... antiquated to me.

Although I do agree some limit has to be put in place to keep people from abusing it, I've seen it on another forum which allowed users to change their names, one person caused the admins to lock usernames so none of the normal members could change them.

Quote - I really must complain.

Renderosity, it is NOVEMBER. by holding the annual footshooting BBQ at this time instead of the customary September, you've thrown all our Calendar settings out the window.

But haven't they been shooting themselves continuously for a couple of months already? :tt2:

________________________________________________________________

If you're joking that's just cruel, but if you're being sarcastic, that's even worse.

"Renderosity, it is NOVEMBER. by holding the annual footshooting BBQ at this time instead of the customary September, you've thrown all our Calendar settings out the window."

You've forgoten that there are two feet, In September is shooted one and in November the other one.
What I don't know is which foot will be shooted in November, the righties or the lefties?

Stupidity also evolves!

As a proficient PHP/MySQL programmer, I have to say that this is pretty outrageous.  Renderosity already has an "Edit Profile" page, and it would take all of fifteen minutes to enhance that page to allow username changes.  Checking for duplicate usernames is also trivial.  Now, if the username is used as a key in other database tables as jevans69 suggests, then the programmers should be reprimanded.  Also, if the username is stored in more than one place (gallery,store, freestuff, etc.), then this site is pretty poorly designed to begin with.

If you're so concerned about people abusing this service, then just allow a maximum number of username changes.

There's no excuse for charging $24.95 for a service that just about every other website in the entire internet does for free.

"If you're so concerned about people abusing this service, then just allow a maximum number of username changes.

There's no excuse for charging $24.95 for a service that just about every other website in the entire internet does for free."

Here here!!

Where in the heck is the "Quotes" feature???  THIS is something that is needed more!

It's under each post in the thread, right under the signature...

Lucie
finfond.net
finfond.net (store)

Quote - It's under each post in the thread, right under the signature...

DUH..thanks, Lucie!  Getting old is the pits!!

I was curious as to total membership, so I checked - it bottoms out at userid 472948. it appears the database also stores usernames that are no longer in use, which may be a feature to consider pruning, as it must bog things down a bit for the database software to hafta search thru tens of thousands of defunct usernames every time somebody wants to join here. I think they pruned alotta usernames when jack took over, then again, when he sold it to tim.

I think after the smoke clears you might find my name has been pruned from this site as well...

"Nice knowing you Miss Nancy"

Quote - We understand that $24.95 to change your username at Renderosity may seem like a lot. However, there were several factors taken into account before setting this as a service and determining what it would cost.

The first consideration was the fact that we have almost half a million users on our site and it is a manual process to change user names. Because the process is not automated, there is administrative time that will be involved in processing each request.

The price was set to cover our costs and serve as a mild deterrent so that people will not abuse the service. Yes, people can create a new account for nothing. However, the new account will not have any of their gallery images, Free Stuff, Tutorials, blogs, SiteMails, LinkShare, purchase history, etc. This service will carry that valuable data with it. 

Because we are a community built on relationships that are connected with a username, we do think it is important that members take care when choosing a name or changing their names.

Because we are a community built on relationships that are connected with a username, we do think it is important that members take care when choosing a name or changing their names.

 

Wait a minute, I asked and asked again to change my user nic, and was told repeatedly that it couldn't be done. That I'd still lose my gallery if I changed my user nic. Now you tell me that it was infact possible too change my username, but that If I want too I have too pay 25.00 bucks to do so?

 

Get real.

 

Another peed off customer.

 

"I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge." Albert Einstein

Free the freebies!

Quote - ...Now, if the username is used as a key in other database tables as jevans69 suggests, then the programmers should be reprimanded.  Also, if the username is stored in more than one place (gallery,store, freestuff, etc.), then this site is pretty poorly designed to begin with.

I'd certainly agree that it wouldn't be a good idea for building a business application from scratch. I make a habit of using GUID's for primary keys in all my tables. It's a little slower to do JOIN's but it's awfully nice having a unique key for every single row in every single table.

However, if memory serves, R'osity didn't start out as a business, it was more like somebody's hobby in the 90's. I can pretty easily imagine someone starting out a little web site and not seeing far enough into the future to visualize the size the database would grow to and what it's needs might be as a business tool on down the road.

The current programmers almost certainly inherited the current situation (and haven't we all be there at one time or another) and may be making do as best they can.

Quote - I was curious as to total membership, so I checked - it bottoms out at userid 472948. it appears the database also stores usernames that are no longer in use, which may be a feature to consider pruning, as it must bog things down a bit for the database software to hafta search thru tens of thousands of defunct usernames every time somebody wants to join here. I think they pruned alotta usernames when jack took over, then again, when he sold it to tim.

Ahh but then they couldn't claim "almost half a million users" when trying to sell this crap to other businesses and when coming up with excuses for why they can't do stuff for free that virtually every other place can and will do ;)

 

 Stacey and co, you guys generally do a good job (imo) and I think positively of you, hate to say this but  this looks nothing more than money grubbing.  :/   And making it a feature story... omg. Please reconsider this move.  :(

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Very well said April...

 

Vir sapit qui pauca loquitur.

It seems like the choice is either create a new account (for free) or pay $24.95 to change your name. If you create a new account and ask for your images to be transferred, you'll lose your image-view history and such. Is this worth $24.95? If so, I can forsee many people taking this option... and Renderosity then starts charging for this "item-transfer" service.

I agree with the above posters: although name-changing may be a pain for the admins, this is a part of running a community website. There will always be people who want to change their username. This is not a "cost" that should be passed along to the commnunity members.

On the surface, charging $24.95 may certainly compensate for the time it takes to change a user name, but just look at how many people are complaining. On the other hand, if a few people pay for this service, it may be worth all the complaints. ;)

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Quote - The current programmers almost certainly inherited the current situation (and haven't we all be there at one time or another) and may be making do as best they can.

As the entire site has recently been converted to php, if the databases are still maintained manually, from a programming point of view, that's just NOT RIGHT!

A php script could be built as a function that the main program calls to change a user name and limit the number of free changes a user is allowed.  I'm just learning how to program in php so that I can convert both of my websites so it's a bit beyond me but I'm sure someone out here could do it and I KNOW the programmers at Bondware could so, IMHO, this is just a way to gouge more $$ from the users instead of offering something that is readily available at other sites for free.

Hugz from Phoenix, USA

Victoria

Remember, sometimes the dragon wins. Correction: MOST times.

Quote - As the entire site has recently been converted to php, if the databases are still maintained manually, from a programming point of view, that's just NOT RIGHT!

Umm... PHP is a scripting extension for web pages, and really isn't related to the structure of the MySQL database software that they use here. Converting everything to PHP does not mean that they made any changes to the database structure. They may have, I don't know, but the two aren't necessarily inerconnected in any direct way.

The design of the database may, in fact, be very old and it's possible that it was never designed with the idea in mind that it would someday have to support millions and millions of data records. I've been a software developer for 25 years or so, and I can tell you that there really is no "right" or "wrong" about programming. There's stuff that works well for it's intended purpose, and stuff that doesn't. Needs change over time, and sometimes the old design doesn't remain a good fit, but it's hard (reads "expensive") to change.

To give R'osity the benefit of the doubt, they may be in a position where the database itself could use a good overhaul, and that may be a harder proposition to change than it has been to convert to a PHP based scripting environment.

I think most of us agree that this is a pretty lame idea so the solution is just don't change your name or fork over the cash.  I for one have better use for my money and the name rockets has served me well for 6 years so I'll just keep it.

My idea of rebooting is kicking somebody in the butt twice!

It's starting to creep in isn't it? First of all we have to pay to upload more than one image per day... very good reasoned argument given for the move. Now it's having to pay for this 'new service', again, a viable reason is given to explain it. Next we will have to pay for some other minor service and then another. Eventualy, a package will be offered giving all these services for a small set fee. This becomes a membership fee and, as we becomes used to it, the fee starts to go up each year.

Now ask yourself this. Am i just being cynical... or prophetic?

First of all we have to pay to upload more than one image per day... very good reasoned argument given for the move. Now it's having to pay for this 'new service', again, a viable reason is given to explain it.

Actually, uploading only one image a day and having to pay if you want to upload dozens more to me makes a bit of sense because those images take space and bandwidth, it's not just a one time thing, it takes space and bandwidth everyday from the moment they are uploaded until the member decides to delete them.   Most galleries online have a limit for the number of images you can upload each day for the same reason.  This decision was a viable reason imho... 

Lucie
finfond.net
finfond.net (store)

Um... i did say the image limit thing had a reasoned argument. That wan't the point i was making. It's the creeping introduction of charges that should be of concern.

So LillianH, what do you think Renderosity will do now, after all this uproar?
Do you think that they might reconsider, maybe waving the 24.95 fee, or reducing it to something more palatable, or perhaps just canning the whole name change idea?
 
Or is it “full steam ahead!”

Quote - It's the creeping introduction of charges that should be of concern.

I don't quite get that... Renderosity pays their staff, they pay for servers, they pay for bandwidth, they have a lot of costs and overhead. Why shouldn't they charge for some or all of their services?

 

Oh I got your point, I just don't think this thing with the gallery was a  "creeping introduction of charges"...  I was just saying that I consider the argument for the gallery very reasonable unlike the reason we're given for charging to change a username.  From what I can see in this thread and the opinions posted on the frontpage, members are far from "getting used to it", I don't see them starting to charge for everything here unless theye want to loose a huge portion of their members, there are too many other websites where there are no fees for the same services to keep people coming here if they were to start charging for everything. 

Lucie
finfond.net
finfond.net (store)

Quote - I don't quite get that... Renderosity pays their staff, they pay for servers, they pay for bandwidth, they have a lot of costs and overhead. Why shouldn't they charge for some or all of their services?

 

No reason at all why they should't. But to introduce such a high charge for a 'service' that has doubtful costings smacks of the type of greed in busines that leaves a nasty taste. Let's not forget that our images (ok, not mine but talented artists who show what can be done with the products) go a long way in adverising the wares of the marketplace. Hell, renderosity even encourage us to advertise who made what in every image. The pictures in the galleries help generate a fair amount of revenue for the site and i just think that renderosity tend to forget that when they do things like this.

Quote - It's starting to creep in isn't it? First of all we have to pay to upload more than one image per day... very good reasoned argument given for the move. Now it's having to pay for this 'new service', again, a viable reason is given to explain it. Next we will have to pay for some other minor service and then another. Eventualy, a package will be offered giving all these services for a small set fee. This becomes a membership fee and, as we becomes used to it, the fee starts to go up each year.

Now ask yourself this. Am i just being cynical... or prophetic?

 

While I am hesitant to call you a prophet per se' you sure have nailed that one.

"I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge." Albert Einstein

Free the freebies!

Quote - No reason at all why they should't. But to introduce such a high charge for a 'service' that has doubtful costings smacks of the type of greed in busines that leaves a nasty taste. Let's not forget that our images (ok, not mine but talented artists who show what can be done with the products) go a long way in adverising the wares of the marketplace. Hell, renderosity even encourage us to advertise who made what in every image. The pictures in the galleries help generate a fair amount of revenue for the site and i just think that renderosity tend to forget that when they do things like this.

Of course, the cost of a product isn't the only factor in it's pricing, as has already been stated about this particular service. For example, I've got an Indianapolis Colts sweatshirt that I paid about sixty dollars for. That's a good three times what it would cost without the logo on it, and probably about ten times what it cost to make and ship to the store. Plus, at no recompense for me, I'm a walking advertisement for the team every time I wear the thing! I spent the money, though, because the value of the product, to me, was a fair trade for the money.

In this case, I don't think greed is the issue. I think if greed were involved the price would have been lower, so as to attract more people. It's already been said that the price is, partially, inflated to restrict it's frivolous use. To me it makes more sense to think that this is A) a service that a handful of people will value enough to use and B) a service that is more trouble and expense than it's worth to the company, which has C) been priced accordingly. 

I worked for a company once that offered tech support after hours until 11 o'clock at night. This was an established practice before it became an issue that several of the techs got to the point of threatening to quit, because of the almost daily interruptions in their lives. Customers on support contracts didn't have to pay any extra to call after hours, and we were in a jam before we knew it. We instituted a fee of forty dollars per call, which was fairly steep for the time. We did get a lot of complaints about it, but the number of calls that we got died down to real emergencies that truly couldn't wait, and we started paying bonuses to the techs who took the calls. There wasn't any greed involved, we pretty much just got to the point where we broke even on the extra paper work and hassle, but it was the best overall solution to the situation.

 

Q-"I don't quite get that... Renderosity pays their staff, they pay for servers, they pay for bandwidth, they have a lot of costs and overhead. Why shouldn't they charge for some or all of their services?" :thumbupboth::thumbupboth::thumbupboth: thank god, at least one kind soul in this pack of selfish users! understanding that other people have problems too you are the only one ready and willing to give and to help...this will pay your ticket through heavens gate where you will be rewarded for your goodness! from the bottom of my heart: thank you, thank you a thousand times! A.

and they take 50% of all sales made in the marketplace here. (don't forget that.)

jevans69:

Again thanks, your post has quenched my thirst for an answer that makes sense.

 

“You’ve halted my typing arm from causing anymore harm.”    

jevans, i pretty much agree with every point you make regarding the case for the charges to change user names. And in my first post i did concede that renderosity had viable reasons for the charge. My concern is that this is the thin end of the 'charging for services', wedge and that before we know it we will be paying nominal and not so nominal fees for pretty much everything on the site. And, if it is done slowly, we probably wont even notice enough to be bothered.

Shrugs

Ok, maybe i'm way wide of the mark on this, i hope i am, but IF renderosity does go this way you can bet your runtime it won't be too long before other sites join in and another good thing is sacrificed on the temple of the almighty insert favorite currency here

Quote - jevans69: Again thanks, your post has quenched my thirst for an answer that makes sense. “You’ve halted my typing arm from causing anymore harm.”    

You're quite welcome, I aim to please. :)

Quote - Ok, maybe i'm way wide of the mark on this, i hope i am, but IF renderosity does go this way you can bet your runtime it won't be too long before other sites join in and another good thing is sacrificed on the temple of the almighty insert favorite currency here

Well, at least we've always got the option of starting our own web site where we don't charge for anything. It is awfully expense just to run one of these as a hobby, though.

There was a time and a place where if you had land, and a man walking down the road picked an apple from your tree, that was his right. He couldn't take a whole bushel, but if he wanted to feed himself and he had no money, then it was okay for him to do that, even though you paid for the land and the seed and the fertilizer and the planters and the pickers. Somewhere along the line, someone got the idea to put up a fence and sell the apples.

There may come a day when there aren't any places on the web that will let you do the things you want to do at no charge, but I kinda doubt it. It's really too big a beast to fence in. There'll always be somebody who gets a few bucks for some server space and a bright idea to huddle up a community.

Probably the most important thing to remember is, though, no matter what gets done here, be it posting an image or executing a transaction in the market or moderating a forum, somebody, somewhere, is paying for it, somehow. The money's gotta come from somewhere. It might come from the generous pockets of somebody who owns the site, it might come from commerce transacted there, it might come from donations or taxes or gifts or selling of services. It has taken money to make the Internet (and the rest of the world, of course) go 'round since it started, and I think it probably will continue to do so for many, many lifetimes to come.

 

 

:b_overwhelmed:

We want to thank everyone for the invaluable feedback. It's what makes this community so dynamic.
 
We reviewed all the responses and suggestions regarding the Username Change service and carefully considered the situation.

 

The original price was not set to make money from this service, but to be a deterrent to excessive name change requests and to cover our administrative time.

 

Since there appears to be more interest in this service than originally anticipated, and we want to make this service available to those that truly need it, we have decided to change the price to $10.00 to only cover on our estimated cost.
 
It's through the support of the community that we are able to continue to offer all the free service and resources that we do.
 
Thanks for your valued time and attention to this new feature.

Lillian Hawkins
Marketing Manager
By serving each other, we are free.

Quote - Since there appears to be more interest in this service than originally anticipated, and we want to make this service available to those that truly need it, we have decided to change the price to $10.00 to only cover on our estimated cost. I

Well, at least THAT is better!

$10 is much better, but as one that can barely afford her poser habit, I still won't be using the feature. I'm sure they'll get more compensation for this feature with that price.

LillianH, thank you and all the admins so much for listening to us regarding this.  At $10.00 I'll definitely use the feature because, as I said, I've long since outgrown the Belle1947 appellation.

Kudos to Renderosity and staff for taking our opinions into consideration on this.

Hugz from Phoenix, USA

Victoria

Remember, sometimes the dragon wins. Correction: MOST times.

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Quote - It's the creeping introduction of charges that should be of concern.

I don't quite get that... Renderosity pays their staff, they pay for servers, they pay for bandwidth, they have a lot of costs and overhead. Why shouldn't they charge for some or all of their services?

Sorry, but I can't resist:

Let me first say that Renderosity has every right to charge for whatever services they like. If they want to charge $24.95 as a "deterrant", that's completely up to them.

But, make no mistake: we shouldn't think these extra services are a way for them to pay the bills.

First, I doubt enough people will use this service to give the site a steady stream of income.

Second, the site keeps 50% of the product sales sold in the marketplace. I've seen people post estimates that the site takes in anywhere from $10,000 to $30,000 a month. (I don't remember the exact message thread, but see various postings in the "Community Forums".)
There are also allegations that Renderosity is staffed by volunteers so Bondware doesn't have to pay employees. I think this is an unproven allegation, but it would be an interesting fact since it would significantly reduce their cost.

On the other hand, these calculations and allegations are usually made by people who have become upset that their account was banned or removed. So take their postings with a grain of salt. ;)

VanishingPoint... Advanced 3D Modeling Solutions

There are also allegations that Renderosity is staffed by volunteers so Bondware doesn't have to pay employees.

Oh my!  Some of them would have to be masochist to work here for free!  lol

Lucie
finfond.net
finfond.net (store)

Thank you LillianH, for hanging in there, "other staff members might have packed there bags and headed for the hills, but you stood your ground... I'm quite impressed"

Renderosity's decision seems to be one that is fair to all. I'm satisfied with the response.

And I must apologize for starting all of this; if I knew my one question would start such a flaming fire I would have never posted it...

"Duh...yes I would"  “this whole thing was fun to watch; I never seen such commotion about a company implemented idea; this was great!   :)

But, really, I am sorry about all of this. "Do you think the staff here at Renderosity would be willing to let me stay on as a member or are you guys planning on having a bond fire in the middle of the MarketPlace to burn a ** heretic?**

** PS: ** This whole thing was very exciting, but now I have just one more question to ask;****

** How do I stop all these email responces from jaming up my mail server? “I mean this is ridiculus”    **

"There are also allegations that Renderosity is staffed by volunteers so Bondware doesn't have to pay employees. "

 

Just wanted to address this, its not a fact at all:)  We have an office staff (admin) and we are full time paid employees. Lordy my son and I would starve if I went into the office everyday for free, LOL

 

Wanted to clear that up.

Oh good!  At least you're getting something for what you have to deal with!  ;)

"Duh...yes I would"  “this whole thing was fun to watch; I never seen such commotion about a company implemented idea; this was great!   :)

Chippsyann you crack me up!  lol  But that was nothing...  Only 3 pages so far...  ;) 

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Lucie
finfond.net
finfond.net (store)

Lucie, wait till you see what's next... (oops, did I say that out load)

"Sorry Rendo"

Just curious ...

For those of us with multiple clone accounts, will this allow us to combine marketplace purchases from three accounts into one?

Quote -
"There are also allegations that Renderosity is staffed by volunteers so Bondware doesn't have to pay employees. "
Just wanted to address this, its not a fact at all:)  We have an office staff (admin) and we are full time paid employees. Lordy my son and I would starve if I went into the office everyday for free, LOL
Wanted to clear that up.

That's what I thought. I'm glad no-one's starving by going into work everyday. lol :-)

Where do people come up with ideas like this? ;)

VanishingPoint... Advanced 3D Modeling Solutions

You know JHoagland I really don't know. Its kind of amusing sometimes but somebody is very misinformed:)

 

Deecey,  I will have to check but I don't think we can "merge" different usernames together like that.  I'll ask tomorrow and let you know for sure, k?

 

 

 

great Stacey - could you also let me know?
thx a mil!!

i seem to remember lots and lots and lots of people shouting out 

"you can't make rendo change their minds about something by bringing it to the forums"

or words to that effect. it seems those who said it were wrong, god i feel so smug right now.

while i can't say i agree with a charge for changing a user name i will say well done for listening and acting on the concerns of the members over it. i've been in and out of business most of my life and one thing i learnt was this. you can often make more profit on a thing if you sell by volume. i'd say many more will avail of the 10 dollar charge than the 25 dollar charge....someone has a good business head on them in the admin lol.

again. ..WELL DONE rendo and members

billy

ps. heres a thought......i take it you won't be taking on extra staff, if so that means no extra overheads so when you say the 10 dollars is to cover estimated costs i get confused...(easily done i know) not complaining, it is a business after all.  but if what i say is the case and you aren't actually forking out 10 bucks to make a name change why not use a portion of the charge to start up the charity scheme thats being discussed in the cahrity thread....even 1 dollar of it would nake a difference. like i say...it's just a thought. if i'm wrong and you do take on extra staff for the job or pay overtime for existing staff to do it please accept my apologies

Sure Artemis:)

 

 

Billy, I'll keep your suggestion in mind while we discuss the donation thing.  Thanks:)

Now you guys all know why I don't do anything here but use the marketplace (and I've been a member since 2002)...and I've been hearing things in the last six months or so that are making me think twice about that association. If this place is so messed up, code-wise, that you have to resort to this foolishness, you need my services as a programmer. I've been a db admin for six years and worked with php websites for about 4 years. I work freelance and will happily present my requirements in terms of time and pay after I have gotten a look at the structural documentation for what you have now. Oh, and btw. Some of you might have seen me around other places. My user name is usually... Neferset

Hi Chippsyann,

No worries. It was a honest and obviously thought provoking question.

(Good thing I keep my flame-retardant suit handy for such festive occasions! ;-)

Lillian Hawkins
Marketing Manager
By serving each other, we are free.

OK, just want to get something straight here, at least the way that I understand it.

It has been stated by staff members here about all the FREE stuff available at Renderosity.

These FREE services (galleries, forums, blogs, etc...) are at LEAST partially designed to draw people to the site and advertise products. WE are doing work for THEM and the vendors. Maybe the staff members at Renderosity need to be reminded of that.

Also, as far as the over 13,000 free items... Renderosity does not host them. Renderosity provides LINKS to free items, not the items themselves and a vast majority of those free items are produced by the community members, NOT RENDEROSITY. We as a community are providing most of the free items that Renderosity is taking the credit for.

I find that extremely insulting and very misrepresentative of the situation. Taking credit for other peoples work, shame on you!

If I am wrong in my understanding of this... please correct me, but provide FACTS.

 

Be a little fair about the freestuff. Its true that rosity doesnt host them , but it does cost them in data storage and bandwidth  to host the index and search feature, and they do host the thumbnail and description text .

Quote - Be a little fair about the freestuff. Its true that rosity doesnt host them , but it does cost them in data storage and bandwidth  to host the index and search feature, and they do host the thumbnail and description text .

Yes, I will give them that... but that is not the way that it was represented earlier in the thread.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the services Renderosity provides... but it is not a one way street. Renderosity gets benefit from those freebie postings and other services in traffic flow to the site. Getting people to the site is very important to sales. If people don't come  to the site, they can't buy anything.

 

 

just checked the username count again - it's up to 473084. apparently a new username is added to the database every 10 minutes, on average. tends to discount the notion that folks are leaving here in droves over the latest snafu :lol:

Quote - Getting people to the site is very important to sales. If people don't come to the site, they can't buy anything.

Or change their user names. Neferset

i think it's called a symbiotic relationship. we the members provide free stuff links and rendo hosts them (the links) and the thumbnails. it also hosts the forums and populates em with mods and admin.  that members give freebies is their personal choice. renod gives an avenue for them to be seen if they wish to do so here. normally i'd get my crossbow out and go hunting but i think what we got was a generalisation. i think everyone knows who makes 99 percent of the freebies. i honestly don't think anyone was trying to get credit or mislead. kinda hard to do when every freebis has to be vetted and carries the makers name. redo hosts the forums and we populate them. hopefully those that populate the forums now and again make a purchase. rendo takes it cut as does the merchant.  all in all i'd say they do a half decent job. for the most part everyone benifits.

like i say, i doubt anyone was really claiming they made all the free stuff. we all put our foot in our mouths now and again with figures of speech....jmho...well spotted though lol

 

billy

Quote - just checked the username count again - it's up to 473084. apparently a new username is added to the database every 10 minutes, on average. tends to discount the notion that folks are leaving here in droves over the latest snafu :lol:

Not worth laughing. I've been around here a while. I think I had an account I lost the password to from way back. Not just these four years. About as long as you if I can believe the dates on some of the old freebies I have. I felt it was important enough tonight for me to come here and triple my Renderosity posts. That says something, doesn't it? One, that some one chatty as I am at other sites has such a low post count here and another that I'd have to say something now. It isn't just this. I really don't like some of the changes for the store that I've heard about. Makes me want to vote elsewhere with my dollars. Y'all have at. I don't think it's fun anymore. Nef

thanks stacey.

miss nancy i have to own up...it's me...i have 473,000 accounts...i don't who the other 84 are...sorry make that 473,001 lmao. i know karens ex had 43 accounts hehe...jk karen

billy

Quote - just checked the username count again - it's up to 473084. apparently a new username is added to the database every 10 minutes, on average. tends to discount the notion that folks are leaving here in droves over the latest snafu :lol:

Please note, I am only commenting on the logic of the above statement, not making comments on whether people should or should not maintain their accounts here.

Your logic actually has a few flaws.

1. The count is the total number of accounts, including accounts that haven't been used for a while and accounts that people have just now decided to stop using. There is no way that WE can tell what that previous and future count of inactive accounts will be.

2. Even if people were "leaving in droves" you can't tell from the total number of accounts because the people that are leaving are not deleting their accounts.

3. This latest "snafu" (as you name it) is more than likely not known to these new people  because they are most likely not reading this thread first before creating their account.

Just thought I would point that out.

Quote -  

Deecey,  I will have to check but I don't think we can "merge" different usernames together like that.  I'll ask tomorrow and let you know for sure, k?

 

 

Hey, how about a "User Name Change PRO" version, for, say $39.99?

"Manage your multiple clone accounts today with User Name Pro!"

 

Just a suggestion....

Billy, i dont think its down the somebody at rendo having a good buisness head, its just the fact that a large proportion of regular members and merchants kicked up a fuss and wont put up with riduclous costs. They realised there maybe a problem, and that more members and merchants may leave and pull stores, which alot have been doing, and it has been shown throughout the galleries. Hence why rendo has to now shut up and listen to its members and merchants for once. Which may i add, these people are the soul basis of this site, without them rendo wouldn't be a business!

Regarinding a new member joining every 10 mins, sorry but every time i log in the site only shows at most 2000 members actively posting, or browsing, so even though rendo has alot of members, it doesn't mean that all those members are active contributers does it?

Its like any business, and yes this place is a business, i'd no longer call it a community as such. Rendo needs to start looking after dedicated members who have been here from the start.. its like any business partnership, if somebody has been there, and dedicated for 10yrs or more, you dont tell them to Naff off to welcome in new fresh meat do you? You listen to members and contributers who have been there from the year dot and who have helped make the community what it is. Rendo needs to save that before more dedicated members leave and think "enough is enough"

I have nothing against people personally here, most of the mods, especially LillianH and Angel1 have always been very helpful to me,and i'd like to thank LillianH for giving me and mike the opportunity to promote our magazine here!

I know i went alot off topic but man, this had to be said and was long over due!

Cheers

Anna

Bravo Renderosity for listening to members.

Whilst $10 is still a lot compared to other forums where name changes are free - it's still a LOT better than $24.95.

Thanks for the change guys.

Will be changing my username during the next couple weeks.

I know I dont post much, only when I have a problem or a question but its a valuable community of people. Yeah its a business too, but I find its the members (and admin) that are so helpful wich makes it feel like a community to me.

Sorry - im rambling.

Quote - Billy, i dont think its down the somebody at rendo having a good buisness head, its just the fact that a large proportion of regular members and merchants kicked up a fuss and wont put up with riduclous costs. They realised there maybe a problem, and that more members and merchants may leave and pull stores,

I know i went alot off topic but man, this had to be said and was long over due!

Cheers

Anna

if the above is true anna then it shows that someone does hav a good business head

as for it not having a community.  i'd say it does. people leave sites like this all the time. specially merchants who think they've found greener pastures.  i dare say some have left other sites and come here for some of the same reasons merchants leave here. i think when a site gets this big the dynamics change. i look in the forums and i see a community thats alive

as for the membership. i agree many probably don't even know their still members here.  you say every time you log on about 2000 members are logged. are they the same 2000 as the previous time you logged on. if 2000 is the given average for any given time they must get an awful lot more than 2000 visiting during the course of a day. jmo

billy

As I posted welsewhere on this, it's ridiculous.  They want to charge more to institute a name change than they do to have their orders burned to CD and shipped to them (Which is also a higher cost than elsewhere). (when it was 25.00)

Most other sites do this for free but Renderosity is all about cashing in on whatever the can.  It just says alot about their lack of consideration for their members and potential customers when they charge for what others do as a courtesy.

I still think charging for it - even 10.00 is ridiculous.  Hell at DAZ you can change your public handle for free and merchants can change their store name for free, heck you can even use 2 different names for each.  Most other sites will change it for you and many communities allow you to change your own.

Glad I never did buy bondware if it's so limited.

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I had a legal name change a few years ago that cost me $11.00.  Actual physical paperwork had to pass thru numerous paid employees's hands, from the clerk to the judge.  Then I had to take that paperwork to the Social Security office, the DMV and my bank - more paid employees to handle the paperwork and then to update their electronic records.

That name change was worth it.  And that's all I've got to say on the subject.

Deecey and Artemis,

 

Yep it was as I thought yesterday, we can't merge multiple accounts into one. Sorry:(

I admit once or twice I thought about changing my user name, years ago. But no way would I pay ANYTHING to do something so mundane and elementary. Seriously, Rendy has lost the plot.

$24.95 or $10...it's all pretty irrelevant if somebody else has already got the name you want.

Since the site makeover, i haven't been able to access my profile, gallery or homepage without errormessages caused by the apostrophe in my username( which worked perfectly well before the makeover). I have asked if it was possible to change username because of this, but haven't received any answer before seeing this "payed for usernamechangeservice". I'm not sure i find it reasonably to pay to make a free service work again.

t'Hor

t'hor,

I am emailing you regarding the problem you are having. Hold tight:)

Holy smokes!!!   I have emailed several times to try and change my user name.  But there's no WAY I'll pay $10 for the pleasure of doing so (good thing I didn't see it while it was $25 or I'd have had a heart attack!).   I agree, this should ABSOLUTELY be free.
-Alisa

Cheers,
Alisa

RETIRED HiveWire 3D QAV Director

25$!? Did I become blind? At http://www.renderosity.com/news.php?viewStory=13352 it says; "...the Username Change Service. Starting next Monday, for only $10.00,...". Or did I miss something?

They were going to charge 24.95 but it's been changed now to 10$

Lucie
finfond.net
finfond.net (store)

Quote - Lucie, wait till you see what's next... (oops, did I say that out load)

"Sorry Rendo"

 

Yessss wait, wait untill we the Sith! Have taken over.

 

Muahahahaha

"I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge." Albert Einstein

Free the freebies!

Guess I was to lazy, didn't read all the posts  :o/

darth_poserus...

"Stop that" Get back in your cage!

I thought I might rename myself Bababadalgharaghtakamminarronnkonnbronntonnerronntuonnthunntrovarrhounawnskawntoohoohoordenenthurnuk.

~M :P

Quote - I thought I might rename myself Bababadalgharaghtakamminarronnkonnbronntonnerronntuonnthunntrovarrhounawnskawntoohoohoordenenthurnuk.

~M :P

Hey, now HERE'S a thought - they can charge by the letter - I think you're up to $100 with that one  :lol: 

Cheers,
Alisa

RETIRED HiveWire 3D QAV Director

Are there any Slartibartfasts? LOL

StaceyG:  That's actually odd about multiple account not able to be merged... because I've actually had this done before, some years ago.  Had my whole gallery switched to a different account that I had.

If this option is not possible, that's unfortunate.  I'm sure by now that many people created alternate accounts because they could not switch their usernames.  Now, seeing as there is a charge to SWITCH usernames, AND you cannot merge existing accounts, AND it's quite possible the new username you want IS one of your other accounts.... what's the point, really, for anyone to pay the $$ to switch the name?

Sure, you might have the odd member who has never switched his/her name or created an alternate account, but really, if renderosity wanted this to be profitable... you might want to include the merging option. (as I said, I KNOW it can be done, I had it done before)

You might have had a customer here, for example.  I will be the first to admit that over the years I've changed my name a few times, and I'd be willing to pay for this as a result of that fickleness (hehe).

Mind you, as someone said above (can't remember who)... this option is entirely FREE at Daz... you can switch it once, you can switch it back... and all of your purchases and other activities are logged right along with it....

Ahahahahahaha who's bright idea was this to charge money to change usernames. Wow people will do anything for money these days.  Little pathetic. :glare: This should be free. But hey if you want to do this for free just make another account :laugh:. Seriously

Charging to change a Username?? :lol:

I agree with stonemason and Marforno 100%. Daz doesn't charge to change usernames. why should Renderosity?

it's ludicrous to charge for a name change.

Must....Keep...Quiet.

 

Must...Refrain...From ...Commenting.

 

Tom

“The fact that no one understands you…Doesn’t make you an artist.”

Quote - Charging to change a Username?? :lol:

I agree with stonemason and Marforno 100%. Daz doesn't charge to change usernames. why should Renderosity?

it's ludicrous to charge for a name change.

it may be ludicrous to pay for a name change but i can't see how it's ludicrous to charge for it.

daz isn't rendo and vice versa. by your logic all gas stations should charge the same price irrespective of userbase, volume of sales, and locale. lets not forget rendo is first and foremost a business. if they can make money from name changes then they'll do it. i would'nt be suprised if once it's been implemented for a while daz and a few others dont follow suite jmo

billy

billy423uk:

Quote- i would'nt be suprised if once it's been implemented for a while daz and a few others dont follow suite

"That’s a scary thought"

i would'nt be suprised if once it's been implemented for a while daz and a few others dont follow suite jmo

Except that on DAZ's site, they don't have to get involved in the name change. You can do it yourself, and it changes all messages, order history, etc. It takes all of a minute to make it happen.

The only way I would even consider paying for a service like this is if it allowed me to merge purchases from multiple accounts into one.  Oh well, if I want to change my name again I'll just open up ANOTHER account. LOL

LET THIS THREAD DIE!

All this talk of multiple accounts and half a million members makes me wonder just how many of these accounts have been accessed in the last, say, month.... six months... year... etc. Now that would give a better idea of the 'active' membership. Would Admin care to publish the figures?

Why?

Quote - Why?

Be good, or I'll get Tom in here!  LOL

 

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/news.php?viewStory=13103

We have 200,000 actively participating members.

It's published on our Advertising page:
http://www.renderosity.com/news.php?viewStory=13103

Lillian Hawkins
Marketing Manager
By serving each other, we are free.

Quote - All this talk of multiple accounts and half a million members makes me wonder just how many of these accounts have been accessed in the last, say, month.... six months... year... etc. Now that would give a better idea of the 'active' membership. Would Admin care to publish the figures?

You know, you raise a very good point here.  Now I know where you're going with this, and I agree, but I'll look at it from the standpoint of site performance.  I can't help but wonder if 200,000 inactive accounts were deleted overall site performance would improve.  Although it would keep people from commenting and rating their own work or perhaps having conversations with themselves on-line, and because of that, some may fall into a deep state of depression.

Just wondering.

As far as alias changing, I find the whole thing ridiculous.  It's amazing how romantic -*and foolishly cool *-people try to get with their screen names: BloodStone, FoxyGurl69, KrystalMoon, GluSniffer521, MystyRhaine, CrimsonGonads...TerraDreamer, etc.  I mean really, does it matter in the grand scheme of things what the hell it is you call yourself?  The difference between the screen names CrimsonGonads and KrystalMoon is zilch; it's a freaking screen name, nothing else.  Who the hell is going to put either on a business card?  And changing your alias won't make you a better artist or less of an asshole if you've been one recently!  That precisely why I've never changed mine :)

It would appear some people spend as much time massaging their aliases as they do their private parts.

As far as charging people for the service, go for it, Rendo!  Charge them up the wazzu!  You're a business; you're supposed to make money off the backs of these people!

And while you're at it, delete inactive accounts to help de-bloat your user database.

 

"OK, just want to get something straight here, at least the way that I understand it.

It has been stated by staff members here about all the FREE stuff available at Renderosity.

These FREE services (galleries, forums, blogs, etc...) are at LEAST partially designed to draw people to the site and advertise products. WE are doing work for THEM and the vendors. Maybe the staff members at Renderosity need to be reminded of that.

Also, as far as the over 13,000 free items... Renderosity does not host them. Renderosity provides LINKS to free items, not the items themselves and a vast majority of those free items are produced by the community members, NOT RENDEROSITY. We as a community are providing most of the free items that Renderosity is taking the credit for.

I find that extremely insulting and very misrepresentative of the situation. Taking credit for other peoples work, shame on you!

If I am wrong in my understanding of this... please correct me, but provide FACTS."

 

First of all...Show me how Renderosity is "Taking Credit" for other peoples work.

 

Okay..here goes. **You want Facts? **

I recall the last time I mentioned that this site was "Free" and I recall how someone  site mailed me to "educate" me on how the store supports the site, so therefore, it is not "Free". I explained to this person that I'd never spent one red cent at this, or any other Graphics online store,and to me,... that's "Free"

 

This person went on to accuse me of "Freeloading" because I'd never bought anything from the Marketplace. Then went on to say it was no different than hanging out at Sears, but not buying anything. He then blathered about being resentful that he was "Paying My Way" around here.

 

I recall telling him (Okay...it was a him) that the analogy was grasping at straws and interacting and "Contributing" to and online community, was nothing like loitering at a brick and mortar establishment.

 

I went on to tell him that I had dedicated 6 years to keeping sites like this running, So I have "Given" in that way, just not monetarily.
I spent about 2 years of my life on staff here at Renderosity, and 5 years at the other site "Paying My Way".

I said " *Maybe I'll tell you some time just how many members and staff members (Volunteers)I was able to get NFR copies of software from developers to make sure they got at least something for their efforts. Or maybe how much time I spent organizing contests and other promotions so the membership could win great prizes.
Or how much time was spent putting out fires and trying to keep everyone happy. Or maybe how much time was spent coordinating the Magazine..Or staying up late building the newsletter to make sure it got out in time. Or perhaps the thousands of dollars spent in air fair and hotels going to the SIGGRAPH conventions to market with the developers to sell banner and newsletter space to help keep the site revenue up. Not to mention countless hours testing store products and writing software reviews.Striking deals that got the site promoted in the Software manuals and direct links in the help menus.

How about I show you the hundreds of dollars in monthly phone bills talking with the developers,selling banner adds,coordinating promotions and contests.
**You may feel superior looking down you nose at me and calling me a free loader,but I assure you,I've spent more money than you keeping the communities going as Marketing Administrator and keeping this a "FREE RESOURCE" for all who choose to use it.

Believe me,I've paid my way, just in different ways than you.
These site's were "Resources", before they ever was a store.
The store is only a part of the site,one that helps generate revenue for the site.

Oh..and you can Thank "Me" anytime for my contributions.*

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Okay...I say all that to say this:

First of all... I "Chose" to offer up my services and give back to the community.I didn't complain until someone had the nerve to call me a freeloader.

I suppose humility would have been a better approach on my part, but hey....I'm human,and subject to the shortcomings that come with that.

 

 But just because someone is on staff, does not give non-staff members the right to abuse them (Sometimes Daily) After all..They are Human too.

 

We ALL contribute to this site in many different ways.. Members and staff alike. Maybe not to the same degree,but we all contribute in our own way. Some go above and beyond, while no one even notices what they are accomplishing behind the scenes.

 

I'd wager that 50% the people who complain about how the site is run,couldn't run a lemonade stand, let alone run a place this size and probably wouldn't last a week on staff running a community like this one. 40% might be able to run a lemonade stand,(Right into the Ground) the remaining 10% could probably pull it off with some measure of success.

I'm not always completely sure of what the motivation is. Perhaps its as simple as just wanting to follow the latest bitch-fest, and feel like being part of the crowd, without even fully examining the situation. I do know this though. most folks will jump at the chance to Slam the staff,and/or Renderosity's policies.

 

Fire

Aim

Ready

 

Maybe other complainers "Could" run a lemonade stand,( Or perhaps Kool Aid)... Fine... step up to the plate, organize a staff, and start your own online community. See what all goes into it.

Oh... What's that? You "Choose" not too?...well then...ask for your Renderosity membership fee to be returned and just leave, or simply accept the site for what it is at present, and say nothing while they work out the kinks. Better yet... Offer a suggestion in a helpful way. You catch more flies with honey than you do vinegar.

 

It's easy to slam the staff and when people are doing that, they are doing nothing special. It's just an easy thing to do so don't be surprised if there are no medals given to those who do.Perhaps we should think about the gazillion other behind the scene things that they are juggling, while they are putting out your particular fire.

 

The reason this site exists is not "Just" because of the store. There is lots of other marketing arrangements going on too.Y'no?...sometimes you have to keep those who "Sponsor" the site happy too,...and try to strike a balance between keeping sponsors happy, as well as the membership. 

 

Anyway...just try to realize that there is more to running a community of this magnitude than meets the eye. Try to Remember that it's a juggling act and has variables that reach farther and wider than most will ever know.

 

Peace

 

Oh...and I'll have a lemonade please.

 

So "The Facts Are...."...These FREE services (galleries, forums, blogs, etc...) CAME FIRST.

 

Renderosity had to come up with a way to pay for YOU to have this resource available to you. There are several other means of drawing people to the site. Not just your precious "Art". Perhaps Renderosity should feel insulted that you have the ego and nerve to assume that it is only the members "Art" services (galleries, forums, blogs, etc...) is the only thing that draws revenue to the site.I'm sure the person who busts ass everyday to get sponsorship from developers might find that comment very insulting.

 

So... you find it insulting?

 

Why are you even still here? If I felt "Extremely Insulted", and "Misrepresented", I'd take my "Art" along with my "username", and start my own site,and pay all of the costs involved that comes with that. (Far more than 10 bux BTW), and deal with all the headaches that are associated with running a site not unlike this one.

But then again...that's just what I'd do. Others may choose to stay for whatever reason keeps them here complaining.

 

If you do decide to leave...be sure to ask for your membership fee to be returned.

 

If it was your intent to become an artist, why then didn't you invest some time into what could likely be the most important part of your artistic career? "Your Identity(Username)

 

These other sites giving free name changes likely do not have anything close to the member-base that Renderosity does.

If this service was offered for free,I'd wager that the staff would be bogged down with indecisive "Artists" wanting name changes. And would probably need to hire a dedicated staff to keep up with it. 

 

Tom

“The fact that no one understands you…Doesn’t make you an artist.”

Oops..sorry TerraDreamer...I cross posted with you.

Too late...I couldn't hold off any longer.

 

To be honest...I've held off on posting lately. I'll likely get banned if I don't (hold off)

But to tell you the truth, I'm beginning to not even care anymore.

I'd never liked the "Us against Them" attitude that goes on so much around here , but my apathy of getting banned is not because of they way the staff runs the place, but rather the way the membership abuses them,and whines about every little thing.

It's something one cant tolerate for long before they simply don't care anymore, lose interest, and find another place to hang out.

 

Tom

“The fact that no one understands you…Doesn’t make you an artist.”

hawkfyr just threw the logic at you people. This is going to be intresting....

Quote - Too late...I couldn't hold off any longer.

Bravo, dude, bravo.

Sure you don't want something a little stronger than lemonade, though...? :tt2:

 

"I  can't help but wonder if 200,000 inactive accounts were deleted overall site performance would improve."

 

At another site I  worked for, if a member didn't log in for a certain amount of time,(A Year I think ) The account was deleted to save space, bandwidth, etc..

 

BUT...those numbers look good when your tying to get a sponsor to commit to a 6 month banner contact.

 

 

A screen name is really an "Identity", (Branding if you will). Some throw it around without a care in the world, while others think long and hard about it as it represents there business. (My username is not only on my Business card, it is on my license plate". It's not unlike a logo, and I understand the importance of it for someone serious about there business, but some could not care any less about it...It's Those who do not care, is why I would assume Renderosity charges for it.

 

If I didn't care about my Identity, what's to stop me from wanting to change it all the time?

 

Tom

Heh Heh...He said "Long and Hard"..Heh Heh

“The fact that no one understands you…Doesn’t make you an artist.”

"Sure you don't want something a little stronger than lemonade, though...?"

 

I may need something stronger now that I've thrown my hat in this particular ring,..lol

 

Tom

“The fact that no one understands you…Doesn’t make you an artist.”

 First of all, thank you Tom for all your efforts and contributions to the community. And I really mean that. In the early days it was through members like you that the site was able to grow into the run-away success it is today. But I just have to respond to one or two points you made.

** **

Okay...I say all that to say this:

First of all... I "Chose" to offer up my services and give back to the community. I didn't complain until someone had the nerve to call me a freeloader.

I suppose humility would have been a better approach on my part, but hey....I'm human, and subject to the shortcomings that come with that.

 

* But just because someone is on staff, does not give non-staff members the right to abuse them (Sometimes Daily) After all... They are Human too.*

 

I work in customer services, I deal with angry customers sometimes every day but it’s not ME the customers are angry at, it’s the company. Similarly, it’s not the admins or the moderators who are under fire here, again it’s the company. The admins and moderators are the interface between the membership and the entity called Renderosity they are the face and the voice of the company and in my ‘professional’ opinion they do a hell of a good job

 

I'd wager that 50% the people who complain about how the site is run, couldn’t run a lemonade stand, let alone run a place this size and probably wouldn't last a week on staff running a community like this one. 40% might be able to run a lemonade stand,(Right into the Ground) the remaining 10% could probably pull it off with some measure of success.

 

Sorry, what relevance is that? Renderosity is supposed to be a professionally run business. People are invited to become members of a community run by that business and that fact, if nothing else, gives the membership a right to at least voice their opinions on how that community is run. Whether any member of that community has the ability to run any kind of profit making organisation is totally irrelevant. How many shareholders of a multi-national company are qualified to run that organisation? Not many, but every last one of them has a right to voice their opinion of how the company is run.

 

*The reason this site exists is not "Just" because of the store. There is lots of other marketing arrangements going on too.Y'no?... sometimes you have to keep those who "Sponsor" the site happy too,...and try to strike a balance between keeping sponsors happy, as well as the membership. *

…

 

Renderosity had to come up with a way to pay for YOU to have this resource available to you. There are several other means of drawing people to the site. Not just your precious "Art". Perhaps Renderosity should feel insulted that you have the ego and nerve to assume that it is only the members "Art" services (galleries, forums, blogs, etc...) is the only thing that draws revenue to the site. I’m sure the person who busts ass everyday to get sponsorship from developers might find that comment very insulting.

** **

Actually, it is ALL about the store. If the store suddenly folded the rest of the site would collapse. Everything else on the site exists because of the store and exists to support the store, galleries, tutorials, freestuff and forums. All there simply to bring in customers. No store, no customers. No customers, no sponsorship or any of the other ‘marketing arrangements’. And, most importantly, no store, no profit for the site owners and so no reason to keep the site open

 

 

I could do with a change of name; I chose "jasmine" after the cat, but didn't think about the yards of rude emails I would get round the web because it's a female name.
So I really should change to my own name, or one based on it, to reinforce the fact that I am actually male (and not cross-dressing ...).
I think $5 would have been enough, though.

I don't see this controversy (or any of the previous controversies) as a bad thing. it proves the members care enuff about this site to voice their opinions, and that the admins are mature enuff to take criticism. the site is still adding members at a rate of 100 or more per day. I dunno how many are dead accounts, but nic can weed them out if they tell him to do it. in a month, this will be a dead issue, and the members will move on to the latest controversy, just as they have done since 98, when willow created this site.

> Quote - *I may need something stronger now that I've thrown my hat in this particular ring,..lol*

Well, then, here ya go: your "lemonade". nudge wink

And always remember: it's five o'clock somewhere.

Captain Jack

 

Thank you for the kind words Lemur01, Some of us go way back,and we know the efforts put forth by those pioneers (Like You) who helped blaze the unfamiliar trials  that has let us to the  territory we find ourselves now.

 

 "Similarly, it’s not the admins or the moderators who are under fire here"

 

Fair enough...to some..Renderosity is some huge faceless corporation that is only out to pry open your wallet.I don't have the time now to research certain threads, (Many of which have been deleted anyway)... But you do know what I mean when I say "But just because someone is on staff, does not give non-staff members the right to abuse them (Sometimes Daily) After all... They are Human too."

*It has come to a personal level at times, almost to the point of harassment. Insisting answers from staff members,Legal threats, accusations of lying,etc. when some of these things, are plain just nobody's business.... My point was, not only will you never make everyone happy,...there are those who go out of thier way to be a dissatisfied member.. But As mentioned...Fair enough.

 

 

Sorry, what relevance is that? Renderosity is supposed to be a professionally run business.

 

So...I'm not allowed to have an opinion on this? I don't work for Renderosity and in my opinion, most folks don't have a clue as to what it takes to run a Place like this. You can tell by  the way they have to be explained the same simple answers over and over again...Yet they are typically the one who say..."If I ran this Place...I'd do this". Or..."If this place was mine...I'd do that .All I'm saying is...in "MY" experience...they would fail.

 

People are invited to become members of a community run by that business and that fact, if nothing else, gives the membership a right to at least voice their opinions on how that community is run.

 

Invited?...lol...No they were "Marketed here" by someone who busted ass to expose them to the site.

 

** Voicing opinions is one thing...Bitching and whining is another.I'm sorry, but you make it sound as if everyone stands in line politely and calmly "Voice Thier Opinion"...C'mon...It's Bitching and whining pain and simple. (Not by all...but you know the ones I'm talking about).**

 

Whether any member of that community has the ability to run any kind of profit making organisation is totally irrelevant.

 

Who cares?... Why am I not entitled to my opinion?..In fact.....I said "Id Wager......" which implies that it is my opinion... not stating a fact.

 

 How many shareholders of a multi-national company are qualified to run that organisation? Not many, but every last one of them has a right to voice their opinion of how the company is run.

 

There you go with the "Voice thier opinion" again...

Shareholders have a financial investment into a company...Most bithers and whiners here put up no financial investment here....in fact...it's a FREE site. No one is holding a gun to anyone's head saying "Buy this cute little bunny model ...or else."

 

 

Actually, it is ALL about the store. If the store suddenly folded the rest of the site would collapse. Everything else on the site exists because of the store and exists to support the store, galleries, tutorials, freestuff and forums. All there simply to bring in customers. No store, no customers. No customers, no sponsorship or any of the other ‘marketing arrangements’. And, most importantly, no store, no profit for the site owners and so no reason to keep the site open

 

 

We'll never agree on this...Sponsors were involved in these sites before there ever was a store...sure.. the store is  "Part" of the revenue of the site..but not all....just as I mentioned here:.

 

"The reason this site exists is not "Just" because of the store. There is lots of other marketing arrangements going on too.Y'no?...sometimes you have to keep those who "Sponsor" the site happy too,...and try to strike a balance between keeping sponsors happy, as well as the membership."

 

So your saying its "ALL" the store?....See what would happen to the site if all other marketing stopped..and all we had was the store..

 

I'd wager that they could close the store tomorrow and offer some other service, and the site would still exist.

 

It's more about "Numbers", than it is about "Products"

 

Personally...I'd sell this place, let someone else deal with the aggravation, and invest in something that involves less bitchers and whiners.

 

But that's just me.

 

8 )

 

Peace.

 

Tom

 

 

“The fact that no one understands you…Doesn’t make you an artist.”

while i haven't been bitchin in this thread you do bring up a good point tom. everyone is allowed an opinion whether  it's to bitch at rendo or to bitch at the bitchers bitching at rendo. many including myself would constitute your post as bitching and whining at members who disagree with rendo's act of charging for a name change. for me it's always a good thing to have two sets of bitchers so don't think i'm bitching at you lmao. as for all the well done and the bravo brigade or the boo boo brigade...i class them as fledgling bitchers who can think of nothing better to say than a professional bitcher. though i have heard some bitch rather elegantly in other threads. mainly they run with whoever seems to have the best bitcher on their respective side. whilst i usually bitch on th more ethical side of a topic, i can find nothing to bitch about here cos as a business rendo hasn't done anything wrong. people either pay for a name change or they don't. (okay...i may have had an odd bitch at a bitcher like you did...but please don't tell anyone lol) i changed my attitude to admin after someone did me a good deed. they stopped being them, the unkown or the faceless ones. my problem now becomes one of how if i have a need can i bitch at rendo without bitching at some good people. as such i've toned down a lot.  it's okay saying people aren't bitching at the mods and admin their bitching at rendo the business. well wwhen you bitch at the business remember some of the people who you say have nothing to do with it are the first line  of defense or attack depending on where you stand hehe. if it something that really needs a good bitching about then i'll accept collatteral bitching and try not to cause to much trouble. i think nancy is right that some good came from this bout of bitching. some will save 15 dollars. well worth bitching over. some will continue to bitch about the ten dollars and some who's tongue can't be held will bitch about the bitchers...i forgot...some will put certain bitchers on pedistals and say ...for he is a worthy bitcher...jmhbo

billy

My only bitch towards you Billy is ...you gotta break up that last post into paragraphs...lmao

 

If you recall...I won an award for complaining a few months ago.

 

COM (Complainer of the Month) I believe we called it,and I can bitch just like the rest,,,,

I just happened to be on the other side at one time,and realize what kind of work goes into running a large graphics site...so I tend to bitch at the bitchers who bitch at the staff.

 

I did try to hold my tongue....I really did, and I try to at least put thought into my bitching. But it was the "Shame on You Renderosity, for taking credit..." post that released the bitch in me...I could remain "Bitch-less" no more.

 

Now look at the mess I'm in.

Oh well..Life can be a bitch sometimes y'no/

 

8 )

 

Thanks Billy, I quite enjoyed your bitching.

 

Tom

“The fact that no one understands you…Doesn’t make you an artist.”

i see you're a paragraph bitcher hey lmao.

apart from the 3 sides to every story third being truth quote thats old hat...there really does need to be people that defend or at least argue the mods and some staffs pov. often they can't do so themselves..which can make it an arse kickingfest if the mob turns ugly lol. one good thing a post like yours does is make those for and against sit up and take note of what's been said. okay they may get their guns out afterwards hehe but i  think it tends to make people take stock of their words a bit more.

as i sign off i'm laughing to myself....you may have enjoyed my bitching but i aint nobodys bitch hehe. well my wifes maybe but i don't do everything she says.  i can't remember you getting the esteemed order of the C.O.M. a rare occassion that must have been lmao. in fact i can't remember seeing you complain unless it's cos you tongue somehow got free of the teeth.

if my dad were alive today he'd be turning in his grave..........and saying let me out you bastards

billy

"If you recall...I won an award for complaining a few months ago.

 

COM (Complainer of the Month) I believe we called it,and I can bitch just like the rest,,,,"

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Yeah - I was gonna say - man, you've changed. And here I had you pegged for COY. Oh well.

That aside, frankly I'm amazed this thread has gotten so much. I just thought it [the idea] was hilarious, personally, thinking, OK, well...if that's what they wanna do...
Know what I mean?

I'm just waiting to see what becomes of this. I mean, will there be something attached to one's new username, like "formerly known as blah-blah-blah"?
And, how much new controversy will come from it? Will there be public demands as to why someone did it?

Heh... no longer will it mean anything here to accuse someone of being a clone....

Quote - I can't remember you getting the esteemed order of the C.O.M. a rare occassion that must have been lmao.

It's true -> Waaaahh....

Oh Bless your heart nruddock...you found it for me.

 

Gawd...I was so proud of being the self proclaimed "Complainer Of The Month"

 

Just re-reading the that thread brings a tear to my eye.

 

Hey!...you made me cry damnit...I'm going to bitch to an admin about that.

 

8 )

Tom

“The fact that no one understands you…Doesn’t make you an artist.”

**Hey...I have one thing (*maybe 2) to say. First, I love you Hawkfyr .....hehehehehe....
OK, now that I got that off my chest. If you do the math, of 1 pic a day average size 900X1200,
and multiply that by 200,000 or 200,000,000 or what ever ungodly amount of peeps are here....multiply that by the amount of bandwith required just for the free Art....add that cost...
$10 bucks is a bargain if you want to be "KittenFlysInCircles" instead of "BangYouAreToast"!
Maybe Ren does makes a profit....HOW DARE THEY! Doesn't every vendor here want one too?!
The hidden costs of this site must be enormous, but even better...a business that makes a profit? Clint, you should be strung up for that concept!
Imagine the logistics if even half the members wanted to all change their names and purchase history? Even if they had volunteers they would run as fast as they could out the door!
I am the first one to want something for free....but not if it is truly unreasonable. Karma thing, you know. So for all the hollering, it seems that it is an easy solution, if you want to be someone else, pony up the dinero! If it isn't a neccessity, don't bang the gong so loudly about it. Cause in business, you do get to ask for recompensation for a service. It's not the end of the world. It's just business. That's all I had to say.
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Quote - hawkfyr just threw the logic at you people. This is going to be intresting....

First of all, being called "you people"...don't go there. Ok? Second of all...Logic? A lack of understanding about anything posted by the person he quoted (who is sitting next to me and is not me, for anyone who might have weird ideas--I understand there were some weird ideas after the other night) and a total misunderstanding of what the person he quoted was referring too. That I get from his post, but logic? For one thing, he proved no point whatsoever and only added to the noise. When noise is considered logic, something is dreadfully wrong. That and changing the font colors and adding the bold in there was bad netiquette. Actually, unless you're screaming, using them in your own posts like I see him doing is bad netiquette. Makes it hard to read for one. I tend to get an instant headache. Like, say, now. Maybe I can help you understand what was going on in the post hawfyr quoted? There was a statement made in the previous pages that the freebies were being offered by Renderosity. That is what he objected to. Most appear to just be links to the files on the posters' own websites, with Renderosity hosting just an image. Even the bandwidth used to distribute them is being provided by the generous users who choose to offer them. What Renderosity does to support those freebies is almost negligible by comparison, yet they claimed credit for them in this very thread. Does that seem right to you? Now, the other thing that was referred to: Other places make name changes free because all you really should have to do is make one field change in a database. In other places, that user name field is editable by the users after signup. Just like addresses and email addresses are and other information that is subject to change. It's a simple bit of code to put that field in the profile settings. The size of the user base is irrelevant. All it comes down to is the way the database is structured. If it is not structured in a way that will allow this...if it is not normalized and cleanly coded, I mean...then it is a bad database and in need of serious overhaul. I honestly shouldn't have looked back here. I told myself I wouldn't. And some little imp said, "go look." That's my big mistake. I didn't know how childish things were going to get. rolls eyes Neferset

Quote - " First of all, being called "you people"...don't go there. Ok?"

Ok I know what you are thinking and I wasn't being a racists and it gets kind of tired when people point that out just to think its a racists remark so please don't start. 

To me that is logic because I never knew about some of the stuff he said about renderosity.

Anyway to get back on topic the bottom line is this is a bad idea. In my opinion.

Quote - First of all, being called "you people"...don't go there.

What card are you trying for?  Tin?

LMAO!  Sorry, I couldn't resist.

@Tom: Oh geeze!  I forgot about your license plates!  But point well taken, and I'm not suggesting you're massaging your private parts  ;) 

Quote - > Quote - First of all, being called "you people"...don't go there.

What card are you trying for?  Tin?

LMAO!  Sorry, I couldn't resist.

@Tom: Oh geeze!  I forgot about your license plates!  But point well taken ;) 

???????????????? Card? Are we still speaking English? I recognize the words, but the way they are put together in the above sentance is incomprehensible to this native speaker. But I can tell you think you are making fun of me. Don't. I make fun of me much better than you ever could. Told you things were getting childish 'round these parts. Or were they always? I'm a bit out of touch. Nef

...............Wait what?! terradreamer what are you talking about?

Quote - Quote - " First of all, being called "you people"...don't go there. Ok?"

Ok I know what you are thinking and I wasn't being a racists and it gets kind of tired when people point that out just to think its a racists remark so please don't start. 

To me that is logic because I never knew about some of the stuff he said about renderosity.

Anyway to get back on topic the bottom line is this is a bad idea. In my opinion.

No one said anything about racism. It was the furthest thing from my mind. Are you assuming you know something about me that you really don't? (Don't add any tone to that. I'm honestly confused and curious.) It's just an insulting remark that was made, as far as I'm concerned. Logic, by most definitions, is usually an argument or series or statements that speaks to the question at hand. There were facts thrown in that were irrevelevant to the discussion and a lot of emotion that I noticed, but nothing that showed even a basic understanding of what was being quoted. Neferset

Quote - ??????????????? Card? Are we still speaking English? I recognize the words, but the way they are put together in the above sentance is incomprehensible to this native speaker.

Scroll up to nruddock's post and click the Waaaahh link.

Quote - ...............Wait what?! terradreamer what are you talking about?

I was quoting and replying to anathandra.

Ok then anathandra what did you mean by  "you people" then in your post. Please enlighten me.

Wow there must be a huge delay I ment

Quote -

What card are you trying for?  Tin?

LMAO!  Sorry, I couldn't resist.

@Tom: Oh geeze!  I forgot about your license plates!  But point well taken, and I'm not suggesting you're massaging your private parts  ;)

But you explained it already. So nevermind.

Nah, that takes too much energy. I mean, I would, but I don't consider what must be a poor attempt at childish humor worth the effort. If you are in some broad way implying that I'm whining, you didn't read a darned thing I wrote. I try to understand what it is that I'm reading when I read it. Oddly, I don't make wild inferences (the racism comment. Where the heck did that come from? I was only objecting to having arguments of myself and loved ones belittled) or scream about something only barely related to what is being quoted. In light of all that, it's useless to try to hold any kind of conversation. Like I said, it was my mistake for peeking in here again. I'm missing the movie I've been trying to watch. I paid money to watch the movie and it's been reasonably polite to me and my loved ones. Whereas, your abuse appears to be free, unwanted, and unwarranted. Neferset

Quote - Ok then anathandra what did you mean by  "you people" then in your post. Please enlighten me.

That you were referring to the people hawkfyr was quoting as being beneath consideration. That's what "you people" means to me. If I was mistaken, well, it was my mistake. But that's how it sounded. Since I care a good deal about the person hawkfyr was quoting...You must get the picture. Neferset

Quote - Nah, that takes too much energy. I mean, I would, but I don't consider what must be a poor attempt at childish humor worth the effort.

Well gee, lady, all you had to say was, "Hey, everyone, my sense of humor tank has been running on empty for the last eight years!"

OK, run off and enjoy your loved ones.  But I really do feel you're more than worthy of a Tin card, and that's a very high compliment to be paid :)

I'm missing "Caligula." Neferset

Hah well I'm done.

Quote - > Quote - Nah, that takes too much energy. I mean, I would, but I don't consider what must be a poor attempt at childish humor worth the effort.

Well gee, lady, all you had to say was, "Hey, everyone, my sense of humor tank has been running on empty for the last eight years!"

OK, run off and enjoy your loved ones.  But I really do feel you're more than worthy of a Tin card, and that's a very high compliment to be paid :)

Most people who know me would disagree with you. I have a lot more fun where I prefer to post than I've had here tonight and make a lot more jokes. I'm rather known for it. I have over 6000 inane posts to prove it. Funny thing is, the one time that my fun over there came into the forums over here, people accused me and mine of everything under the sun, so don't go throwing that kind of thing at me. Look at the thread where my first post here was. You'll find out who I am. 'Night all! Neferset

Quote - I'm missing "Caligula." Neferset

A fine movie to watch with a loved one, especially the part with the dogs getting that very special treat!  Oh, and that HUGE ring man!

Rated version. turning off sound on email so I stop hearing these things show up Neferset

Quote - Look at the thread where my first post here was. You'll find out who I am.

Nah, that takes too much energy. I mean, I would, but I don't consider what must be a poor attempt at childish humor worth the effort.

 

 

Wow getting all uptight over what a person said on the internet. It's just the internet, it shouldn't even bother you about what people think of you over the internet.

Quote - Rated version. turning off sound on email so I stop hearing these things show up Neferset

I remember seeing the X-rated version of it over 20 years ago.  I found it to be a pretty good movie.

Quote - "I remember seeing the X-rated version of it over 20 years ago.  I found it to be a pretty good movie."

Hahahahaha werd!? Did you see the second one. It was soo much better.

No, never saw the second one.  Was there as much sex and gore?

More gore than sex. Actually no sex at all : Kind of like the SAW movies.

No, sweetie. It's because you guys are totally misunderstanding and not letting up. I'm not the uptight one. I'm just the one wasting her time. And to TerraDreamer, you're real original, aren't you? I forgot how snarky and nasty people got over here. Reminds me of why I haven't posted much in the last four years I've belonged. Were you guys bullies as children? No, don't answer. I'd probably get drawn into something I don't want to be drawn into. And, an aside...this movie is really bad, isn't it? Even the rated version. I expected that maybe it would be ok, considering the actors in it. laughs Oh well. Neferset

Quote - More gore than sex. Actually no sex at all : Kind of like the SAW movies.

Any plot? Or just a lot of "stuff" in a historical backdrop like this one? Nef

I thought you left? And no I wasn't a bully everyone loved me ^^

No plot at all just half naked women getting killed along with guys.
   Have you seen Hostle its more like that actually.

Was planning on it. I got another silly "thread has been replied to email." See, that's my trouble. Curiousity. laughs And, my loved one fell asleep and the movie isn't really all that. I was the quiet one who kept to herself as a kid and didn't get in the way. Made ok grades and got by without making waves. You know, the invisible type. Not even the bullies noticed me and the ones everyone loved were busy in the limelight. I didn't come out of it until I got to college. Nef

Yeah, I saw Hostle. It was one of those movies where I hid my face in my boyfriend's shoulder on and off. So the second one is like that? I'll probably pass. Anyway, I don't think the video shop has it. Nef

Quote - And to TerraDreamer, you're real original, aren't you? I forgot how snarky and nasty people got over here. Reminds me of why I haven't posted much in the last four years I've belonged. Were you guys bullies as children?

Speaking for myself, no, I was never a bully, but I must admit that I pulled my fair share of wings off houseflies.

Quote - And, an aside...this movie is really bad, isn't it? Even the rated version. I expected that maybe it would be ok, considering the actors in it. laughs Oh well. Neferset

I found the Bob Guccione production to be tolerable (at least more tolerable than his skin magazine), but it certainly wasn't Malcolm McDowell's finest effort, either.

Hostle was alright but it wasn't like Saw 1 2 or 3. Hostle was just a movie with violence and nudity which for me is alright ^^ but.... it got tired stupid and boring.

I saw Saw 1 and 2 the other night. I had been worried about those, but they weren't as bad as I'd heard. I prefer a bit more plot to it than Hostle had, usually. I think I was hoping for something more in the "I, Claudius" vein than this was (I mean Caligula--I'm being a little ADD tonight. Not a surprise. I was knocked out most of the day.). Lot of nudity/sex/some violence but not really anything happening. See, Caligula has been spoken of in whispers and giggles since I was a kid in school being forced to take Latin. I guess it was hyped up a little much. Nef

Quote - I guess it was hyped up a little much. Nef

Well, seeing as how your boyfriend has passed out half way though it, I guess that pretty much sums up how good it is - lol :)

Hahahaha yep that's what usually happens. I saw Saw 3 today it was preety fresh........Oh yea how did we get from username change feature to arguing to talking about nudity sex and violence? Psshh Oh well.

Well...It is 2:30 am by us. But the movie was pretty boring. Maybe when I was one of the giggling kids nekkid people would have kept my attention better??? Only reason I'm awake is that something happened to me this morning that turned me off like a switch. I got instantly dizzy/sick in the shower this morning and couldn't even stand up straight. I got back to bed and woke up at around 5pm. I feel a lot better now, except for a headache. I have no clue what happened. Nef

I don't know about you guys, but I'm going to crash.  Nice talking to you both :)

Steve

Hmmmmmm. Well it's good that you got better try taking some advil or somthing usually that helps. Right now its 3:30 where I live and I should be going to sleep now I have a long day for tomorrow so I guess I'll catch you later.

Quote - Hahahaha yep that's what usually happens. I saw Saw 3 today it was preety fresh........Oh yea how did we get from username change feature to arguing to talking about nudity sex and violence? Psshh Oh well.

That's cool. Oh, umm...there's probably more than one reason, but I'm actually the Muse of Thread Drift. I should have warned you. That's where the in-forum table dancing comes in handy. Cool. I'll probably wait for DVD. With tickets being so expensive lately, I go to theatres if the movie really requires the big screen and the sound system. I'm planning on Eragon when it comes out (big Dragons require big screens), but I've got no real plans to go to the theatre before then. Nef

'k! Next time we'll all have to meet under better circumstances. :D Nef

Werd.
Peace

i'm hoping to be up for a francium card soon...now thats something to bitch about.

i love it when someone goes Wow lol. ...Wow...a francium card...Woo Hoo and double Wows.

sad to say but i like to bitch for pleasure. it holds a kind of thrill factor no logical realignment on a point could ever give me.  sometimes a logical bitch carries no satisfaction. if like me you like living on the edge of bitching, it's best to take the side that fundementally flawed....yep thats right, i'm a fundementalist though i find some of the disappearing  tricks hard. i bitch on here and that way the sharpened firemans axe stays under the bed and my family can sleep a little easier (i think i'm using too much ether). and what's all this about teaching kids to read and write and learn about stuff. i remember explaining something to my two girls when they were 6 and 7 respectively and deep in their homework book from school. i was telling them all about how we have 12 planets in our solar system and that light travels as fast as a light switch....in unison they both looked at me lovingly and said... "fuck off dad, we're doing maths." so much for educating kids.

now about rendo................................

billy 

Quote -  

**I work in customer services, I deal with angry customers sometimes every day but it’s not ME the customers are angry at, it’s the company. Similarly, it’s not the admins or the moderators who are under fire here, again it’s the company.
**

 

 

You know, this has been grating at me for 2 days.
Folks here aren't mad at Admin, Mods, or Coords.  Folks are mad at the company.
Just who the hell do you think the "company" is?  Some evil overlords in the dungeons of Nashville, with 3-piece Armani suits, budding horns, and reddish/burnt skin with yellow eyes, plotting each and every move to maximize community pisstitude?
You want to know who the "Company" is?
This is the Company.  That's right.  The very people who are lambasted on an almost daily basis because everyone on Earth is too used to Burger King's "Have It Your Way" mentality. 
Yes, as a company, things are done that individuals might not agree on.  That happens with every company.  And, yes, there are those of us behind the scenes who do raise our voices when things are brought out that we don't agree with.
I currently forgot where I started with my point, as I'm currently being heavily medicated for abdominal pain, and the medicine makes my head foggy.
But, don't, for one second, think that by distancing yourself by saying "I'm not mad at you, I'm mad at the company" isn't insulting.  We ARE the company.

MS

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........oops.

oops what, Khai?  I meant every word.

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back away slowly

I wasn't talking to you...

runs away while still intact

 

You know, this has been grating at me for 2 days.
Folks here aren't mad at Admin, Mods, or Coords.  Folks are mad at the company.
Just who the hell do you think the "company" is?  Some evil overlords in the dungeons of Nashville, with 3-piece Armani suits, budding horns, and reddish/burnt skin with yellow eyes, plotting each and every move to maximize community pisstitude?
You want to know who the "Company" is?
This is the Company.  That's right.  The very people who are lambasted on an almost daily basis because everyone on Earth is too used to Burger King's "Have It Your Way" mentality. 
Yes, as a company, things are done that individuals might not agree on.  That happens with every company.  And, yes, there are those of us behind the scenes who do raise our voices when things are brought out that we don't agree with.
I currently forgot where I started with my point, as I'm currently being heavily medicated for abdominal pain, and the medicine makes my head foggy.
But, don't, for one second, think that by distancing yourself by saying "I'm not mad at you, I'm mad at the company" isn't insulting.  We ARE the company.

MS

nicely said. i know when i complain about the company i usually mean those who like yourself and other admin who i think have cocked up. no good saying anything else. excellent to see you speak your mind. i mean it sincerely when i say i think in the main you all do a good job.

sometimes it's too easy for us to turn a complaint into an attack, i know i've been guilty of it before now.  i think mods and admin (wrongly) have an inherent target on them. we tend to think our complaint gives us rights that don't really exist. we get carried away by our own verbosity. i dare say i'll do it again should the occassion arise but i will think two or three times before i make it personal again. none of you who work here deserve that. nice post morrigan

billy

I remember the time where users would congratulate other users who became mods in here. Well - at that time I was using another account (Didn't change account because I didn't like the username, but I forgot the password :o)

I'm going to chime in one last time since I think I was probably responsible for getting this thread going.

I did object to the $24.95 charge and voiced my objection to the charge but nothing was said against the company or the moderators.  When the decision was made to lower it to $10.00 I applauded the company and the admins for responding to our concerns.  I've not made a post in the thread since then.

I'm seriously disheartened to see what this thread has devolved in to.  It's become nothing more than a Renderosity bash rather than those of us with legitimate concerns voicing those concerns without bashing anyone. 

Please, let's either let this thread die or have one of the admins lock it since it's gotten way out of hand and definitely off the original topic.

Once again, I applaud the admins and company for hearing my original concerns and responding to them appropriately.

Hugz from Phoenix, USA

Victoria

Remember, sometimes the dragon wins. Correction: MOST times.

And, coming around the turn, the thread seems to be in good shape after re-fueling, but-- oh no! it veers sharply to the left, and it looks out of control... no, wait... okay there it goes, back in the lane. But then another sharp turn! And another! Uh oh, it's looking ugly out there... okay, here we come in to the stretch...wait-- what's that? A lemonade can? There's debris on the track! No, the thread swerves, and it's okay! Ooh, that was a bad one... looks like it's going to hit the wall... Wow, what a save! Back in the groove and heading for the line now... I've never seen the crowd this excited! They're on their feet now, screaming, chanting... looks like it's gonna be close... this one's coming down to the wire... it's gonna be a photo-finish...

Uhh... wait, what were we talking about?

 

Quote - I'm going to chime in one last time since I think I was probably responsible for getting this thread going.

I did object to the $24.95 charge and voiced my objection to the charge but nothing was said against the company or the moderators.  When the decision was made to lower it to $10.00 I applauded the company and the admins for responding to our concerns.  I've not made a post in the thread since then.

I'm seriously disheartened to see what this thread has devolved in to.  It's become nothing more than a Renderosity bash rather than those of us with legitimate concerns voicing those concerns without bashing anyone. 

Please, let's either let this thread die or have one of the admins lock it since it's gotten way out of hand and definitely off the original topic.

Once again, I applaud the admins and company for hearing my original concerns and responding to them appropriately.

 

i think you started a good thread belle and i still think it's a good thread. i'd say you did a relevant bitch about something that concerned everyone. cos of it you got 15 bucks knocked off the price, no mean feat. i can't see that you did anything wrong or that you attacked anyone personally.  because of you a lot of people are going to save some cash. well done

billy

Thanks, billy. 

Hugz from Phoenix, USA

Victoria

Remember, sometimes the dragon wins. Correction: MOST times.

Quote - > Quote -  

**I work in customer services, I deal with angry customers sometimes every day but it’s not ME the customers are angry at, it’s the company. Similarly, it’s not the admins or the moderators who are under fire here, again it’s the company.
**

 

 

You know, this has been grating at me for 2 days.
Folks here aren't mad at Admin, Mods, or Coords.  Folks are mad at the company.
Just who the hell do you think the "company" is?  Some evil overlords in the dungeons of Nashville, with 3-piece Armani suits, budding horns, and reddish/burnt skin with yellow eyes, plotting each and every move to maximize community pisstitude?
You want to know who the "Company" is?
This is the Company.  That's right.  The very people who are lambasted on an almost daily basis because everyone on Earth is too used to Burger King's "Have It Your Way" mentality. 
Yes, as a company, things are done that individuals might not agree on.  That happens with every company.  And, yes, there are those of us behind the scenes who do raise our voices when things are brought out that we don't agree with.
I currently forgot where I started with my point, as I'm currently being heavily medicated for abdominal pain, and the medicine makes my head foggy.
But, don't, for one second, think that by distancing yourself by saying "I'm not mad at you, I'm mad at the company" isn't insulting.  We ARE the company.

MS

I can understand how you feel. but no you are not the company. You are the face of the company that we all see and like. But I don't believe that you are the policy makers or the owners or (correct me if I am wrong) the shareholders.  Those people are the Company they make the rules and set the policies to gain profits and income and then pass those down to other people to carry them out.  And as with any business it is the people carrying out the policy who have to put up with all the flack :(

Where's the beer at?

Bababadalgharaghtakamminarronnkonnbronntonnerronntuonnthunntrovarrhounawnskawntoohoohoordenenthurnuk.

Quote - "Where's the beer at?"

The "company" took it away from you. You need to pay $25.00 to get more.

I'm missing something here.  Is Rendo charging $25 or is it $10 for this new name changing feature.  When I went to the main page for this new feature, I read that it's for $10.  Am I missing something?
Adrian

No you aren't missing anything the original price was $24.95 but we have lowered it to $10 that is why the front page says $10.00 now it has been revised.

Sandy
An imagination can create wonderful things

SndCastie's Little Haven

Yea its ten bucks but I felt like saying 25

Quote - There are also allegations that Renderosity is staffed by volunteers so Bondware doesn't have to pay employees.

Sorry, your source is completely wrong.  They aren't volunteers, they are Davidson County inmates in a work release program.

Quote - You want to know who the company is?  This is the company.

Some of them look dangerous!  And some are HOT!

Hey, I'm just a dirty old man.

 

First of all **anathandra,** Where do you get off "TELLING" people "Don't Go There"?

Does "You People" hold some sort of sore spot with you?

 

Perhaps you would have preferred killa9127 said:     [hawkfyr just threw the logic at "You Bitchers" or "You Whiners".]

 

I, for one, have no problem being a "People"

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A lack of understanding about anything posted by the person he quoted (who is sitting next to me and is not me, for anyone who might have weird ideas--I understand there were some weird ideas after the other night) and a total misunderstanding of what the person he quoted was referring too

 

A lack of understanding?

On who's part? 

 

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There was a statement made in the previous pages that the freebies were being offered by Renderosity. That is what he objected to. Most appear to just be links to the files on the posters' own websites, with Renderosity hosting just an image. Even the bandwidth used to distribute them is being provided by the generous users who choose to offer them. What Renderosity does to support those freebies is almost negligible by comparison, yet they claimed credit for them in this very thread. Does that seem right to you?

 

 

What does Renderosity "Do"?...you mean other than providing a platform for the artist to gain exposure to his/her freebie?

 

Negligible compared to what?I still see no statement made by staff taking credit for other peoples free stuff.

 

I asked in my first post to be shown where Renderosity claimed credit, yet it's been mentioned by both of you,and neither can seem to show me.

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 changing the font colors and adding the bold in there was bad netiquette. Actually, unless you're screaming, using them in your own posts like I see him doing is bad netiquette. Makes it hard to read for one. I tend to get an instant headache. Like, say, now.

 

Uhh..I've been around long enough to know about what is and isn't considered bad netiquette. I've also been around here long enough to know that in a fast moving thread,it's helps to "Separate" quoted comments, from my own. (And I don't mean those italicized quotes that blend into the overall post, and also, doesn't say what member was quoted)

 

Font colors illustrated "specifically" what part of the quote that is particular to the question or comment that follows.

 

For example..**Bold text, reflects what "Another" person posted.(**So folks don't have to keep scrolling back to the original) 

The colored font points out a particularly stupid comment, or draws attention to that which is being addressed.

 

And just to educate you on netiquette, "ALL CAPS" is screaming,...not bold text.

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 For one thing, he proved no point whatsoever

 

I'm not surprised  to read this, some folks wouldn't get the point if it was jabbed into thier jugular vein.

 

But just for you, I'll try

 

srnichols said: "WE are doing work for THEM and the vendors. Maybe the staff members at Renderosity need to be reminded of that."

 

It comes down to this: The membership here are not the only ones "Doing the work". My Post tried to "illustrate (Not ""Prove a Point,as you seem to think was my intent) that, The Staff, does a tremendous amount of work to provide this FREE resource, and "Maybe the members need to be reminded of that"

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"Other places make name changes free because all you really should have to do is make one field change in a database. In other places, that user name field is editable by the users after signup. Just like addresses and email addresses are and other information that is subject to change. It's a simple bit of code to put that field in the profile settings. The size of the user base is irrelevant. All it comes down to is the way the database is structured. If it is not structured in a way that will allow this...if it is not normalized and cleanly coded, I mean...then it is a bad database and in need of serious overhaul"

 

So...are you saying you know exactly how Bondware is set up? Are we again blessed to have among us one who knows all about a proprietary software that exists nowhere else but here?

 

Bad Database

 

Being insulted and misrepresented.

 

Renderosity taking credit for everyone's stuff.

 

Tell me..what keeps you two here?

 

“The fact that no one understands you…Doesn’t make you an artist.”

Captain Jack Said:

"And, coming around the turn, the thread seems to be in good shape after re-fueling, but-- oh no! it veers sharply to the left, and it looks out of control... no, wait... okay there it goes, back in the lane. But then another sharp turn! And another! Uh oh, it's looking ugly out there... okay, here we come in to the stretch...wait-- what's that? A lemonade can? There's debris on the track! No, the thread swerves, and it's okay! Ooh, that was a bad one... looks like it's going to hit the wall... Wow, what a save! Back in the groove and heading for the line now... I've never seen the crowd this excited! They're on their feet now, screaming, chanting... looks like it's gonna be close... this one's coming down to the wire... it's gonna be a photo-finish..."

LMFAO...I nearly Spewed that "Hard" Lemonade you gave me earlier, all over my desk.

Phunnie Stuph Man.

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Tom

“The fact that no one understands you…Doesn’t make you an artist.”

Is it time for a dead horse picture yet, or should people (Oh No! I'm generalizing! :rolleyes:) aim for another 8 pages?

Me? I'm glad Renderosity is making available a feature to allow people who aren't satisfied with their name to change it, my only gripe was the 24.95 price tag.

But, since they've dropped the price to $10, I don't have a problem. Of course, I'll never take advantage of the feature, but at 10 dollars 'rosity should be experiencing less griping about price than $25 (but that'd kill people's [Gasp! Generalizing AGAIN!] reasons to gripe) while still limiting abuse to the feature.

Does Renderosity always do what any percentage of the membership wants? No.
Does Renderosity sometimes implement changes that make people go WTF? Yes, along with every other business in the world.
Does Renderosity sometime listen to the members and work to make them happy? Yes.
Does the staff at Renderosity want everyone to be happy? Of course, that's a goal I think every business has to some degree.
Do things happen that aren't planned that cause problems with the site? Of course, it's built on complicated code, there are bound to be problems, and fixing them has a potential to cause more.
Should we give Renderosity some slack, and not nitpick every little thing to death? Yeah, after all, they could decide to handle the entire site like Content Paradise handles their support forums.

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If you're joking that's just cruel, but if you're being sarcastic, that's even worse.

** LOL! I couldn't resist! Hey don't laugh at me (*it's freehand) OK,Just asking...are we NOT complaining about the cost now? Is this now a definitive rant about sepretism(*sp?) and oversexed Romans?** **HuggerZ! Ariana**

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Water, the ultimate weapon...
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Uhhhh right.......nice horse ^^

People called romani they go the house.

i missed responding with the rest  overwhelming responses to this offer in the origial thread, and must say I wouldn't pay a dime to change my username. Its been daveso since the beginning, and then how would anyone know who I am ?

hmmmmmm.....pay for a username change? Someone should learn how to program the php site. I ran one for awhi;le, its possible to change it yourself. Why would someone want to abuse this feature?

I think I'll change my name everyday so no one knows who I am...hey go for it...who cares?

Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together.
All things connect......Chief Seattle, 1854

You mean his One?

“The fact that no one understands you…Doesn’t make you an artist.”

thank god for adblock... that image was truely sick.

Personally, I feel ripped-off.
Not about the usernamechangethingy, but because, dammit, I paid good money just to be here in this thread...

Quote - You mean his One?

LMAO!

Quote - **
LOL! I couldn't resist! Hey don't laugh at me (it's freehand) OK,Just asking...are we NOT complaining about the cost now? Is this now a definitive rant about sepretism(sp?) and oversexed Romans?
HuggerZ!
Ariana

LOL!  I think we're talking about submissive, sex-crazed Roman horses now!  :)

Flickr.com has over 5 million users in it's system.  You have always been able to have a free 200 image account there and always there has been a free inbuilt option to change displayed user name any time you like. The changes are tracked and displayed on user profiles, thus a user cannot hide the fact that they have changed their username, but it is free. 

Username changes should be free here as well. Disappointing Renderosity.

Quote - Flickr.com has over 5 million users in it's system.  You have always been able to have a free 200 image account there and always there has been a free inbuilt option to change displayed user name any time you like. The changes are tracked and displayed on user profiles, thus a user cannot hide the fact that they have changed their username, but it is free. 

Username changes should be free here as well. Disappointing Renderosity.

What happens when you go over 200 images?  Spend money, or delete?

EDIT: Oh, I found out for myself.  For $24.95/year (where have I seen this number before?) you get 2 gigs of bandwidth each month and no Yahoo ads.

No thanks, I'll stick to free.  And is $10 really an issue for you?  Were you planning on changing your name here?  If not, why bash the site?  Just to join the mob or what?  If Flickr is so great, why are you posting here?

 

Well, said Anna... 
                  Now, I think I just about seen it all..  this is so funny...   What next.. HUM....     where is the real justification...
u can tell us...

and fucker.come has lots of people having sex and sperting everywhere with all their dangly bits hanging out...does that mean that rendo should do the same. sorry but compairing sites (even sites that show a similar media)is a flawed arguement. this is rendo and flcker is flicker. they're run differently and are probably as different as chalk and cheese. if every site was the same we'd probaly only have one 3d site on the net. jmo.

billy

Perhaps you would have preferred killa9127 said:     [hawkfyr just threw the logic at "You Bitchers" or "You Whiners".]

i would have tom, i love when women talk nasty to me lmao. all i can say about the coloured fonts...you have way to much time on your hands.  i can't even take time out to sort out my spelling and paragraphs. (the way you set it out does i admit make for easier reading

billy

"you have way to much time on your hands."

 

Not really...Keyboard shortcuts are the trick. (Ctrl+B, Ctrl+I, Ctrl+A, Ctrl+V, etc.)

 

I compose everything in Outlook anyway, use it's tools, (And spell-checker), then copy and paste it into the reply box here at Rosity after I refresh the page.

 

I refresh the page in case someone has replied during my reply composition and I have something to add (or subtract). Another reason is to make sure the page didn't "Time Out" on me during that time either.

 

Come to think of it,I'll have to bitch and whine about that "Time Out" thing one of these days. Billy and Terra...Would you'z Guyz remind me to bitch about that, lest I have a non-bitchy day and forget?

 

Thanks....I knew I could count on you.

 

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Tom

“The fact that no one understands you…Doesn’t make you an artist.”

i can't compete with that tom.

i'm terrible at remembering shortcut keys. when i try and go that way i always end up pressing six before i get the right one. you've already won 1 com award, let someone else have a go cos it ain't bitchin fair

billy

Well...I confess...I do it mostly for the spell checker.

“The fact that no one understands you…Doesn’t make you an artist.”

Thats rosity for you, bitchers bitching about bitchers bitching about bitchers bitching about something that usually gets lost in all the bitching in the thread.

Cerberus cat can't believe the bitching in this thread

imo, paying to change your usename is about the most ridiculous thing I've seen from a site in quite some time. Maybe a person should think about the name they sign up with, and then live with it....or, as on most sites, there is a free way to do it. Yikes. always money grubbing trying to eck out every damn shilling possible.

yeah..there's overhead, but that's rendos problem if they don't have feature rich software, or whomever programmed the crap to work this way. Make em waste their time until its fixed like most user friendly sites.

Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together.
All things connect......Chief Seattle, 1854

The original topic of this thread was about the username change price, we listened to all the suggestions made in this thread and made the decision to lower the price.  This has been discussed, ran a little off track, back to being discussed and so on.  I really feel there is no more productive discussion going on around the original topic so I'm asking that we move past this and please let this thread die out without taking anymore of a personal turn.

I don't want to lock it but its really not being productive at this time.

Thank you all for your input, but now we must close down this thread..

“I think 5000 + hits is more then enough for one post”

And since I am the originator of this thread I must ask:

 

“Please StaceyG, if you would do us the honor of locking this thread down”  

 

Okay folks, shows over…nothing else to see or do here. Please return to your homes, shows over.  

Locking thread per request of original poster

 

 

 

Thanks