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DAZ has published some more previews of V4. Looks like the usual Supermodell, lowfat-one.

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Perfect for Platinum members, but not for we the pooh people :crying:

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are their any pictures that do not require payment to see?

I'd post some of the pics that are going on over there, but I'm not sure if doing so wouldn't violate their TOS, and maybe the TOS here as well...

Suffice it to say that I will say, she reminds me, at least in several of the shots so far, a lot of the Korean pop singer BoA. She looks like an Aiko that is even more realistic than the Aiko - Realistic dial (and BoA is almost a spitting image for Aiko, although she is a real woman of age 20).

She did have an unusually large pubic region, as if 'hiding a package in her shorts' like a transvestite, but Dan Farr came out and said that batch of renders was a bad batch - and then proceeded to give us a better batch that didn't seem to have that same problem

She has the same 'armpit folding cut' that all Poser figures seem to have.

She looks really good unmorphed this time though - not tall an Nordic, more normal height like Aiko.

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Please do not post any images of her here, until you get an okay from DAZ staff.  Not saying anyone did.  Just saying don't.  ;)

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Depends what the TOS states, publishing them elsewhere would be wrong I'm sure, but does it say anything about private emails?

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We can't do anything, or advise you of anything, regarding your personal email.  Just what's on this site ;)

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The platinum club forums are restricted to platinum club members, and images from that forum cannot be reposted elsewhere without Daz's permission.. I already asked them about that ages ago on a different subject.

It's the whole "membership has it's priveledges" thing.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

In a lil'bunch of days all the galleries will be full of NV4IATWAS. I can wait :lol:

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Thought it was also posted in the commons area? 
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Nope.. there are a whole bunch of preview pics posted in the Plat club area including some pics of some PA products that are going to be released along with her.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

Quote - The platinum club forums are restricted to platinum club members, and images from that forum cannot be reposted elsewhere without Daz's permission.. I already asked them about that ages ago on a different subject.

It's the whole "membership has it's priveledges" thing.

Thanks for clarifying the situation Garee, it won't be long before we can all see the pictures anyway :D

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no worries Jen :D 

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It's the whole "membership has it's priveledges" thing.

shame I'll never be a member...

I insist: be patience. DAZ3D won't sell V4 only to Platinum members (obviously she won't be free). In some days, The Commons will receive loads and loads of V4 previews

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Me neither :lol:

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I felt that way for a long time. I'm strongly against subscribing to websites. The concept just irks me.

But I have to admit that they give a lot of huge discounts to Platinum Club members, and repeatedly of content I want. I have only been a member for a few months, but I have vastly increased my library of Poser content since, and I haven't spent that much money.

I got a monthly, because even though it costs more the staged impact feels lesser. If Content paradise had monthly passports I might have gotten that as well - but even though their total price is cheaper, having to pay it all at once locks me out. I still won't subscribe to most websites...

But at this point I view joining the Platinum Club the same way I view joining Costco. It is stuff I know I am going to buy, and it cuts 30-90% off the price of that stuff, and I know I would spend more than 7.95 per month... so it was just cost effective.

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good reasons.. but I decided I would not be a member the day the pc released a  bullfighting range... anyone that supports that does not need my money.

JenX, speaking of posting V4 images (personally, I liked the stick figure in the other thread), what restrictions does Renderosity have on posting home-brewed animations -- the cartoon kind, not the motions kind -- using DAZ characters like V3 (e.g., Star Trek Aurora)? No nudity and offensive language, of course.

So long as they fall within the TOS (the link is on your right), Animations are fine (actually, I love seeing animations people make ;).  So I fully encourage them!) 

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Quote - good reasons.. but I decided I would not be a member the day the pc released a  bullfighting range... anyone that supports that does not need my money.

Moral stance?

I can understand that. Though they only have one Matador figure far as I know. One could always use it for political themed images against bullfighting. I've taken a number of the Nazi uniforms popular on some poser sites to do a political piece against racialism. Though I do feel uncomfortable on some Japanese Poser sites as they often seem to have a romantic notion of the Nazi military (unlike Germans, who deplore that history).

But, the prevalence of bullfighting imagery on Daz is very small, unless you include the Flamenco dresses in that category. Even then it is still only a few items. Searching for 'Matador' on Daz returns 9 hits, 5 of which are a bull itself and Flamenco dresses.

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moral stance? yup could be called that..  seeing the results of animal cruelty every weekend helping to transport rescued animals to foster homes.. kinda makes you look at stuff like the matador suit and feel sick thinking that outfit was created to make someone look good as they torture and slaughter an animal..

(I'm no raving animal rights fanatic.. I just help to get animals to ppl that will care and look after them. my own 2 hounds are from such rescues as are my cats)

based on jules' report, it sounds like more of the same. I reckon we gotta wait until they start posting images in the gallery here before we can see if it's any improvement in regard to joint-bending. I reckon they'll sell the usual morphs to make it look less like a 2-metre tall supermodel, so no worries there.

There are lots of offensive products here too, I just don't buy them. I also do animal rescue but that didn't stop me from getting the platinum sub. I personally think bullfighting sucks. Anyone here remember the story of Ferdinand the bull? That's about as far as bullfighting goes for me...lol
Of course there are wierd tastes every where, look at the idiots who run with the bull every year. I support it, gives the bulls a chance to get back....just kidding.  |8^P
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I agree with your moral stance, btw - I find the 'sport' to be cruel at best...

I'm just saying you shouldn't presume Daz is advocating it or even approving of it. If no-one else had put up Nazi uniforms for Poser Figures, I'd be trying to - because without something with which to depict villains I wouldn't be able to get across the art I had desired when I used them.
I say take the Matador outfit, take the bull, and put them in a Poser arena and learn blood effects so you expose it for what it is.

And then submit that to one of the Daz monthly gallery contests.

back to V4:

They haven't given us much in the way of bending poses yet.

There is one with her 'tipping' a cowboy-like hat (and if you think bull fighters are a moral issue, ask this here Native American about cowboys) that shows elbows don't seem much different than before - but they don't look bad either.

The largest knee bend is at maybe 10-20 degree angle... not enough to judge.

She does have knee caps, and strong collar bones. Her form is a little more curvy - but as not as curvy as Aiko. Maybe in between Aiko and Vicky 3.

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Quote - I insist: be patience. DAZ3D won't sell V4 only to Platinum members (obviously she won't be free). In some days, The Commons will receive loads and loads of V4 previews

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Me neither :lol:

Well I'd wish they'd hurry up before I run out of disposable income again....LOL!!!

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Her armpits are exactly the same as V3's it seems.

I've asked for kneeling poses - from the side. Elbows bent - from the side. Etc.
And I want to see her without hair. On one of the pics her neck looks diabolically long, but I can't tell if someone is just rubbish at making her look good or if it's the hair obscuring stuff, or if it's a problem overall
Another thing I want are DECENT LOOKING TEETH!

Gawd... those fake pearlies are dreadful. Every time I make V3 (or any mil figures for that matter) smile, they blind everyone in the neighborhood!

Silke

Silke: Did you check the renders on page 58 of the thread in the Platinum Club. Very different, and the armpits are a lot better in those, in my opinion.

There's a note near that point from Dan Farr himself not liking the posts on page 1 of the thread.

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Personally, I think it's absurd that Daz is only making these images available to Platinum Club members.

The rest of us (non-members), who spend money with DAZ, are somehow less worthy?

Daz I'm sure will share the previews before V4 is released, but their paying members DO deserve additional "value" for their membership. I find it hard to believe you cannot see that.

If you really want the advantages of the Plat club, then join, but don't complain when there's a perk they get that you cannot take advantage of becuse you chose not to join.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

I loved it when I was a PC member. I've just been too lazy to rejoin  and there hasn't been a whole lot of items that has stuck me fancy.

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maybe it'll be like Bryce; $6 for V4..;)

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Quote - Personally, I think it's absurd that Daz is only making these images available to Platinum Club members.

The rest of us (non-members), who spend money with DAZ, are somehow less worthy?

according to Gareee, yes we are.

sorry M'lord. I shall go and tend your stables...

Hey, there are a lot of things I don't subscribe to, and I don't complain when I don't get those perks.

You want em, Ya buy em. 

Ya don't want to buy em, suck it up is all I'm saying.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

sorry.. to busy shoveling this here horse apples for you M'lord as befits me lower station in life...

Quote - Hey, there are a lot of things I don't subscribe to, and I don't complain when I don't get those perks.

You want em, Ya buy em. 

Ya don't want to buy em, suck it up is all I'm saying.

Exactly! Unbelievable mentality about this. I have more than made up for the cost of my membership with the deals PC members get. I look at it as supporting the site and my hobby.

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ok lets be clear. this is what annoys me.

you've paid for your sub. good for you!

you've decided to talk about it in a public forum. ok fine.

don't get high and mighty and look down on ppl that are not members. you are the ones discussing it in public you see... if you don't want comments that annoy you like 'we can't see it'

***Discuss it in those very same forums you've paid to see and we lesser mortals won't get in your way.

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Honestly, I only popped in the thread over there to see that it did indeed exist.

I'm NOT being "high n mighty" lording it over underlings, because it's not a mattyer of someone being better then someone else.. it's a matter of someone choosing the access to the benefits or not.  That doesn't make them better or worst, it just gives them the additional benefits.

All I'm saying is if you CHOOSE to NOT have the PC club benefits, you have no one to blame but yourself. 

The ONLY reason I originally posted in the thread at all, is that people wanted to know if they could repost the images here, and I informed them they cannot.

You've seen me post many times, Khai, and ya KNOW I'm not a jerk, and am one of the "good guys", so how about cutting me some slack for trying to help people out?

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

so

"so how about cutting me some slack for trying to help people out?"

in the same post as " All I'm saying is if you CHOOSE to NOT have the PC club benefits, you have no one to blame but yourself. "

is helping?

I explained earlier why I don't goto the PC. but, thas my fault. thanks.

right now, with your attitude yes, you are a jerk.
sorry.

Ok, let's not turn this into an argument.  That includes unnecessarily condescending and backhanded comments. 

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Sorry Jen, you are a lot of posts to late for that.
say about the first post when not being a PC member was a bad thing according to some ppl.

Khai, you're not blameless, so let's not start that. 

Again, knock off the arguing.  Both of you. 

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ok. not a prob. I admit the blame for this arguement.

I shall go back to the stables and get my shovel..

sigh  THAT is the kind of backhanded, condescending attitude I'm talking about.  You don't have to like the PC.  Or join.  But, you seem to, everywhere you can, bash it whenever it comes up.  I wonder how often you bash CP's Passport? 

Please, if you don't want to have to read about the PC, you don't have to come into the thread after it's clear that it does, in fact, involve the PC.  It's a Poser related topic, so it's ok to be in the Poser forum for members to converse about.  We'd extend the same courtesy of members of CP's Passport. 

So, can we at least lay down the pitchforks and torches, if it's impossible to bury the hatchet?

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erm. I've not bashed PC at all. ever. I've questioned it's Content and explained why I won't subscirbe based on that content. remove it and I would probably join in time.
please get the facts correct.

I've bashed the Atitude surrounding it tho I admit. the case of 'if your not in it why not' that is rammed down our throats all the time.

I asked when I came in if it was possible to see V4 outside of the PC forums. that is why I came into this thread,.

you also seem to think I have a passport. I do. it's freshly Canadian. Ef one? no. not got one, never have and yes I questioned it's incepttion.

now please get the facts straight.

uh, never said you had a passport.  Simply explained that we extend the same courtesy of speaking about "inside only" stuff here as we do for PC members.  (So long as they don't break any policies, etc.)

Anyway, I'm not going to argue with you tonight.  Yes, as soon as DAZ releases the images to the public, they'll be available for you to see.  I can't promise anything more than that because I don't work for DAZ.  You may want to ask over there, but I can't see that getting you anywhere.  I've said it elsewhere, I'll say it here, when it comes to software and product releases, patience is indeed a virtue.  People are antsy for P7.  People are antsy for V4.  Meanwhile (heh) I'd just settle for a cough suppressant that does what it's supposed to ;)

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please read your PM's so we can resolve an issue.

I think this thread only ended up here because the Original Poster didn't realize the link they were posting didn't work for the general public. They were trying to be helpful, and goofed. My guess at least.

I at least came in somewhat realizing that, wishing I could post an image and suspecting (later confirmed) that I could not. Given that, I tried to help out and recover things by 'textually' explaining what I was seeing in the V4 snapshots...

After all, when V1 came out it was pretty much announced and primarily promoted at Renderosity. The community here has a lot of interest, and a good number of us have been barraged with a lot of hype, over which we're excited enough that its spilling over - as in this thread...

We don't need to let it go south on that. :)

People outside the PC are also aware the figure will show up at some point, and now they also know some images are open to some people... so curiousity is going to grow.

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I'll take "Marketing Hype" for $100, Alex...

Just to throw a little more hype into the pool... A comment was dropped not that long ago over there that her face looks like it could have been designed by Thorne - that's the style some are seeing, and I -sort of- agree with it.

If you have access to the Platinum Club newsletter there was a shot of her eyes in that. I think that can be found without access to the Club...

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After having been looking forward to V4 for sometime now I was disappointed with the first few images, however the newer ones have given me renewed hope. What I am really looking for is the abiility to enhance her facial features even more than we could with V3. The new morphing tools with Poser 7 could also help with this I hope.

I think that the reason people are getting peeved about all the hype and imagery of V4 being in the PC is that, certainly from my persepctive, the value to be gained from the PC is primarily and almost entirely the savings on content that it gives you.

That should be what you are paying for, not an 'exclusive' rundown of a release that, lets face it, the vast majority of the Poser/DS community will be very interested in, not just the PC members.

I agree that the PC is an 'exclusive club' and the people willing and able to pay for it are rightly entitled to the benefits it offers. I also think that those that do not belong to the PC don't really have much of a right to complain about what they are missing out on.

What I don't agree with however is that a mainstream product that will enjoy widespread support that is about to be released, like V4, should fall into that category. This is what makes people feel that their money and patronage isn't worth quite as much as that from the PC members.

Just my 2c.

 

... or perhaps V4 is ugly like Judy and they prefer not to show her to avoid heart attacks :lol:

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Quote - Meanwhile (heh) I'd just settle for a cough suppressant that does what it's supposed to ;)

 

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• One shot of corn whiskey (Jack Daniels being her preferred choice, for coughs and other ailments).

Directions: Mix well, drink fast. She also used to say that the more you take, the better you'll feel.  

I only ever tried it once, and it did seem to cure my cough, after a brief moment or two of significantly increased hacking (I've always felt that JD was for sipping, not throwing back, but it takes all kinds...)

All I can say is we saw this very same exchanges about Passport members and the release of the G2 males. Everyone was so up tight about it and look what ended up happening... the G2 males turned out to be not such a big deal after all.

I'm not saying this will happen with V4 I think she will be a very good and improved character. Daz has managed to put a little more into each Victoria they release but Daz will release her when they are ready and there is not much we can do about that.

I too feel that it didn't cross the mind of the original thread poster that the link couldn't be seen by all. Excitement does that and I feel they  just wanted to share that excitement with the rest of us which to me is not a bad thing. At least we were being thought of and I don't think it was meant as an "Elitist PC member" type rip on the rest of us.

PC club members are our best intel and I am happy to hear from them because if they are getting previews of new Daz items that means they are not long or very close for release for the rest of us. But, that's just my line of thinking

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Quote - All I can say is we saw this very same exchanges about Passport members and the release of the G2 males. Everyone was so up tight about it and look what ended up happening... the G2 males turned out to be not such a big deal after all.

I'm not saying this will happen with V4 I think she will be a very good and improved character. Daz has managed to put a little more into each Victoria they release but Daz will release her when they are ready and there is not much we can do about that.

I too feel that it didn't cross the mind of the original thread poster that the link couldn't be seen by all. Excitement does that and I feel they  just wanted to share that excitement with the rest of us which to me is not a bad thing. At least we were being thought of and I don't think it was meant as an "Elitist PC member" type rip on the rest of us.

PC club members are our best intel and I am happy to hear from them because if they are getting previews of new Daz items that means they are not long or very close for release for the rest of us. But, that's just my line of thinking

I haven't read this entire thread, but even if the original poster knew that only PC members could see the referenced images, I would not object even though I am not a PC member.  Rather, I appreciate learning that I COULD see a V4 preview if I wanted to pay for the privilege.  That lets me make an informed decision about the utility of joining PC.  As an economist, I believe that markets work better the more information we have about our market choices; so I will never resent anyone who gives me market information... unless it's by phone during dinner. (grin)

But I will also say, as an economist, that as a general matter---

1.  human societies have always had --and will always have-- markets where goods and services are only available to those who choose to pay for them, whether it's fancy cars or horses or access to online resources

2.  in a digital economy, I expect information --and access to information-- will move more and more into the realm of markets where you will have to pay to play

3.  despite (1) and (2), there will always be consumers who resent the prices set for some goods and services and even, in some cases, that certain commodities are distributed through markets at all (food, water, health care... and now V4 previews)

peace....

I'm really stunned. First of all, I don't want specially to see a V4 preview. In days, all the Poserworld will be full of V4 renders and then I will evaluate her, not with two or three (or ten) renders. Pics of V4? Okay. No pics? Okay too. So end of the story for me

But now... folks, are you looking at yourselves? I lived here the arrival of The Girl, of Poser6's Jessi and James, of the G2 Generation... each new character that as soon as possible people shared their previews to the rest of the community. 'Hey, a new pic! This is the url! WAHOO!!!' It was like a game....

...but now this looks like an assasin market where you talk about memberships against non-members, of privileges of information, about 'I'm a member nah-nah-nah so I can and you can't nah-nah-nah', holding in your hands the TOS like a warhammer to smash your opposite... hysterical comments about releases... Poser7 is a battle, V4 is a war... WTF is happening here? You're stressed me. Please, take a big breath and relax !!!!

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I'm not sure I'm reading the same thread I posted on earlier? where in Gareee's post did he say PC members are better than the rest of us?

The way I see it PC members pay for a service that happens to include advance previews of the newest toys Daz are about to unleash on the Poser world, that doesn't make us non members less worthy, it just means we have less spare cash to chuck at our favourite obsession.

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Quote - but now this looks like an assasin market where you talk about memberships against non-members, of privileges of information, about 'I'm a member nah-nah-nah so I can and you can't nah-nah-nah', holding in your hands the TOS like a warhammer to smash your opposite...

 
I don't view it like that at all.  I havn't seen anyone who have the PC membership posted here only to gloat against those who doesn't have access.  
Remember, this whole thing started because the original poster provided a link to a members only forum.  Now, who knows what was the intent of that poster to provide the link that can't be accessed by everyone.  Do you really think it was done to tease those who doesn't have the access?  If that was really the intent, then you should take the issue with that person.  Because, as far as I'm concerned, rest of the other PC members only posted about why the images cannot be posted because of TOS.  It wasn't them who posted the unaccessible link and telling you to join the membership.  
I don't have the membership myself either, but I don't have issues with people posting links to members only forum.  If I can't access it then I just move on and ignore the thread.  But I could certainly understand how you could view it as teasing.

There is a hairstyle out - for V4 only. And an additional product with fittings for other characters - except V3. That makes me wonder if my V3 has outlived her date of expiry.

Oh... That hair gives you facial previews of v4:

www.daz3d.com/shop.php;item=4670

Looks like her default face.

See also:

www.daz3d.com/shop.php;item=4728

And if you don't think that woman looks real, I'll have to start spamming Renderosity with the same BoA photos I tossed at Daz the other day...

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Quote - There is a hairstyle out - for V4 only. And an additional product with fittings for other characters - except V3. That makes me wonder if my V3 has outlived her date of expiry.

 

Well, the signs that she was coming to the end of her reign were confirmed when she became a freebie at DAZ....

...but to not support fittings for her when there is such a vast array of characters out there based on her????? 

Well, to me that seems to be missing a big trick. :0/

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Quote - ... I'll have to start spamming Renderosity with the same BoA photos I tossed at Daz the other day...

 

BoA is HOT!!!   Please don't hold back on my account!  :tt1:

Here's your BoA fix. :)

In this pic she reminds me of Aiko, only she's real.

Her face is also very similar to the expression morph pack pic for V4.

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This pic of V4 is now open to the public, as it is a product image for the new hair:

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Here's another one.

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In this one, note the large 'trapazoids'? (Is that what they are, or is it just called collarbones).

In one PC image this appeared massive. It is nice to know that while prominent, they are not as big as the early image PC members got.

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Oh and just for kicks, BoA again, age 20 btw, born in november of 1986 (man... I was already in high school by then), this time she -really- looks like the V4 expression pack, and also 'toony'.

When we got married, my wife had a facial structure similar to that, though even more 'toony' - with rounder cheeks (that she hates but I think are cute :p).

Someone else was saying she looked like 'Milla somebody or other - an American or Russian actress I'm not familiar with. 'Janowitz' or 'Janovitch' or something...

V4 seems to be in between the two when I think about it. I wish I could post the really detailed V4 renders. They show a lot more.

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Nice to see they got away from the Chicklet-teeth look.  That's about the only observation I have at this point, as the images released do not show the figure in anything but a very relaxed, stress-less pose; I am more interested to see how the joints will work in extreme bends e.g. the shoulders and knees and hips.  Nostril glow looks like it is still kind of an issue.  The collar bones do seem kinda big, hopefully there is a morph to bring those down a little bit when you want to (although I like big collar bones actually).

I have a DAZ Platinum Club membership, I never thought of it as something to brag about though, that's like bragging about being subscribed to the LA Times or something.

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Quote - Someone else was saying she looked like 'Milla somebody or other - an American or Russian actress I'm not familiar with. 'Janowitz' or 'Janovitch' or something...

 

Milla Jovovich:
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?ViewProduct=51787

Oops, I mean:
http://www.famousbabes.com/milla/mjpics1.htm

(although NT-Anna is a super beautiful V3 character)

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Quote - Nostril glow looks like it is still kind of an issue. 

You can deal with nostril glow very easily by using object-based ambient occlusion; i.e., add AO to the nostrils body part in the Materials editor.  For nostrils, I usually set the MaxDist value to 4 and leave the RayBias setting at its default.

Maybe straying a little further OT but following the 'glowing nostrils' reference.......

I am sure this has been noted by other folk too.....

The prevalence, admittedly less so of late of the flourescent lit mouth.

Often I have seen renders with characters posed with open mouths that have teeth and tongue garishly illuminated like they have strip lighting in there...

What is all that about then?

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Quote - Oh and just for kicks, BoA again, age 20 btw, born in november of 1986 (man... I was already in high school by then)

November 1986 I was Married, my oldest son was 7 months old & I was a month away from being made redundant for the first time. Scary how time just seems to slip away from you eh?

Back to Poser & V4, so that's what V4 is going to look like? I no like! sorry!

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Quote - > Quote - There is a hairstyle out - for V4 only. And an additional product with fittings for other characters - except V3. That makes me wonder if my V3 has outlived her date of expiry.

 

Well, the signs that she was coming to the end of her reign were confirmed when she became a freebie at DAZ....

...but to not support fittings for her when there is such a vast array of characters out there based on her????? 

Well, to me that seems to be missing a big trick. :0/

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Maybe V4 will be free (or nearly free) too? It seems a good marketing strategy to give a basic item for small money to make people spend loads of money on additional items. The hair (the one that only fits V4) already shows that one can dump all V3 stuff when upgrading to V4 because it will not fit the new figure. If upgrading at all....

Quote - Maybe straying a little further OT but following the 'glowing nostrils' reference.......

I am sure this has been noted by other folk too.....

The prevalence, admittedly less so of late of the flourescent lit mouth.

Often I have seen renders with characters posed with open mouths that have teeth and tongue garishly illuminated like they have strip lighting in there...

What is all that about then?

Klutz :0? 

Well, hopefully this isn't overly OT since object-based AO could be useful for addressing concerns folks might have with V4's appearance.  That strategy works with glowy mouths too.

I hope that is not the case...A lot of folk have a lot of time and money invested in V3 stuff! :0/

At the very least, there has to be a market for something to convert V3 stuff for use with V4!

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Quote - > Quote - Maybe straying a little further OT but following the 'glowing nostrils' reference.......

I am sure this has been noted by other folk too.....

The prevalence, admittedly less so of late of the flourescent lit mouth.

Often I have seen renders with characters posed with open mouths that have teeth and tongue garishly illuminated like they have strip lighting in there...

What is all that about then?

Klutz :0? 

Well, hopefully this isn't overly OT since object-based AO could be useful for addressing concerns folks might have with V4's appearance.  That strategy works with glowy mouths too.

 

Thanks for that response....I thought there had to be a realistic solution! :0)

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Quote - I'm not sure I'm reading the same thread I posted on earlier? where in Gareee's post did he say PC members are better than the rest of us?

The way I see it PC members pay for a service that happens to include advance previews of the newest toys Daz are about to unleash on the Poser world, that doesn't make us non members less worthy, it just means we have less spare cash to chuck at our favourite obsession.

 

I never did. Some people like to bash Daz and thr Pc club at every oppertunity, and I was stupid enough to try to help someone out in a thread that was a good "target".

No big. I've been called much worst (heck today even!) and my actions in the community speak for me.

Oh! Wanna know WHERE I was called worse today?

The wife REALLY wanted a Nintendo Wii for Christmas, and  I heard Wal-Mart was getting one last shipment for the holiday season, so I spent 9  hours waiting in a line with others to score her one. Some people of course just showed up at the end, and were furious that they were already sold out, and of course, called us all names.

Course after that waity, and talking to everyone else in line, you just kinda laugh at them. (And one of the college kids offere to sell him theirs for $800. and then another chimed in to "undercut" him for $600.

I've never been in one of those insane video game launch lines, but it was acxtually pretty fun. Some people bought camping chairs while we were there at the store, some slept in sleeping bags, some bought a puzzle and worked on it for hours, and 2 gusy even bought a model kit, and bult it while we we in line.. and they gave it to a kid when they were leaving, since they just built it to kill time.

It was actually a pretty cool social gathering.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

Quote - I hope that is not the case...A lot of folk have a lot of time and money invested in V3 stuff! :0/

At the very least, there has to be a market for something to convert V3 stuff for use with V4!

Klutz :0/

I don't think I've ever had V3 prop or dynamic hair which I could'nt shape to fit V2 by adjusting the hair's base part tran, rotate, and/or scale parameters.  Sometimes you have to go into the PP2 file to "unhide" one or more of the relevant parameter dials though.  In the one or two cases where I couldn't quite get a skull cap to fit exactly right using dial settings, magnets worked for the fine-tuning.  I'm guessing many hair products will either have fit morphs built in, the fit morphs for some other character will work (or be close enough to fit V4), or some kind soul will publish some dial settings they've developed.  So I don't plan to pitch any of my V3 or V2 stuff yet!

Yeah some people like to pick holes in everything don't they? So did you get the Wii then? I'll be getting one eventually, but not till next year when the big rush to be first to own one is over & the decent games have started coming out.

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Thanks for the info confirming that we don't need to dump half the contents of our hard drives , Tguyus  LOL

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Quote - I hope that is not the case...A lot of folk have a lot of time and money invested in V3 stuff! :0/

At the very least, there has to be a market for something to convert V3 stuff for use with V4!

Klutz :0/

You can probably count on Steve at 3dUniverse to come out with a plugin for UTC to move all the textures over from V3 & the other older figures. Might even be ready to go as we type.

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That is encouraging, LTD.

I reckon you are probably right there.

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Quote - Thanks for the info confirming that we don't need to dump half the contents of our hard drives , Tguyus  LOL

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Ouch.  I wasn't trying to be patronizing.  Sorry if I overemphasized something obvious.  cheers...

Not at all ....... I wasn't being sarcastic.....:0)

This is a tricky medium at best! ;0)

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I wonder if Daz actually enlisted PhilC to do a wardrobe wizard plugin for V4? I'd think Philc would sell a TON of them (and more Wardrobe Wizards) to convert V3 clothing to work on V4...)

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

Quote - Not at all ....... I wasn't being sarcastic.....:0)

This is a tricky medium at best! ;0)

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Ok, thanks for that.  Anticipating P7 HAS motivated me to clean up my runtime folders.  I think I actually have dumped about half of my files now that I'm nearing the end of a three week purge of stuff I doubt I'll ever use again.  Just trying to get V4's room ready... (grin)

I would imagine PhilC is going to have that in hand pretty sharpish, with or without Daz's help!

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Quote - > Quote - Not at all ....... I wasn't being sarcastic.....:0)

This is a tricky medium at best! ;0)

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Ok, thanks for that.  Anticipating P7 HAS motivated me to clean up my runtime folders.  I think I actually have dumped about half of my files now that I'm nearing the end of a three week purge of stuff I doubt I'll ever use again.  Just trying to get V4's room ready... (grin)

 

I think I am beyond that stage!

I reckon it is an extra hard drive for me minimum.....

Probably a new computer to handle Poser7 well too :0/

To follow your analogy...I'll be building her an extension.......or maybe even a new place! LOL

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Quote - To follow your analogy...I'll be building her an extension.......or maybe even a new place! LOL
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To further torture the analogy, I'm going to invite her to live with me; but she's going to have to sign a pre-nup.  "Your Honor, I'm suing for divorce because I just couldn't bend her to my will, at least without major body part distortion."

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Looks like the default V4 is very cute.

But of course: I rarely use the default version of any figure.  No doubt, she'll morph into pretty much anything that you want for her to be.

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Seems odd that they would make thier most popular figure to look more like a less popular one.  But again I guess (and hope) she can change to whatever we want.

I have noticed on the Daz site they do not have much as far as realistic textures and lighting.  They still have that cartoony look on most items.  Just my opinion.   We will have to see what people can do with new textures etc for this figure.  But so far these renders don't come close to some of the more realistic pictures I have seen with V3.  (I'm just refering to the very few renders that are shown with the hair.)

Aiko is more popular than Vicky these days, so anything that makes her more like that is driving up popularity.

That said, a new round of images just went live - the PA artists product promos, three pages of images.

It looks as if default Vicky might not be what we have been seeing so far - she looks a little more like older vicky this time around in the face, but with better bending.

Also, there is one nude, and from it it appears she still has no built in anatomical accuracy, despite the extremely accurate level of detail in the male figures.

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There is one with her 'tipping' a cowboy-like hat (and if you think bull fighters are a moral issue, ask this here Native American about cowboys) that shows elbows don't seem much different than before - but they don't look bad either.

Oh yes, please tell us all about cowboys and the moral issues involved.

It would be off topic, but there is a bit involving a genocide from 1492 onwards in the Americas, and the 19th century portion of that, the second most brutal part of the genocide[*], wrapped up in 'westward expansion' - with the 20th century media glorification of which focusing on a 'cowboys v. indians' motif.

Suffice it to say that the Cowboy image has become synonymous with genocide for many Native People in the same way German soldiers from WWII have for Jews. Actualy Cowboys may not be the guilty party (settlers and the US Cavalry are the actual perpetrators), but the image of them has been tied up with the western occupation, even if they are really just cattle herdsmen.

[*] The most brutal part is between Columbus' second and third voyage - when Spanish slaughtered almost every living soul on Hispainola - often in horrendous ways, as recorded by the church itself. Something that began the very slow move by Spain and the Pope to eventually, a few centuries later, forbid European militaries from the New World when all other efforts at stopping excess finally failed - and thus began the creation of the 'Mission' system to colonize through the church instead. But it is also why native people are still mostly alive South of the Rio Grande and North of the Great Lakes - different means of conquest.

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There were massacres on both sides.  The atrocities were nowhere near as one-sided as some would have us to believe.

BTW - why were a handful of conquistadors able to so easily conquer the Aztecs?  Simple -- they were eagerly helped by an army of approx. 30,000 local natives who utterly despised and hated the cruel Aztec empire -- and were only too glad to assist in its overthrow & utter destruction.

But of course, these types of facts are rarely pointed out in the current politically correct era.

No, the conquistadors were definitely not nice people.  But neither were the people that they conquered.  Anyone who studies the Aztecs in any depth (as well as other empires and groups) will quickly discover that those groups weren't the peace-loving nature worshippers which certain stars-in-their-eyes Western historians of a couple of generations ago envisioned them as being.

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Cavalry and steel also kind of helped the Spanish a bit, as did gunpowder.

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Quote - Oh... That hair gives you facial previews of v4:

www.daz3d.com/shop.php;item=4670

Looks like her default face.

See also:

www.daz3d.com/shop.php;item=4728

And if you don't think that woman looks real, I'll have to start spamming Renderosity with the same BoA photos I tossed at Daz the other day...

Sorry, but that last one -promo for "Marvelous Realism for Jaguar Hair" is not V4, it's Aiko.
Take a look at this other product of Firebirdz, here:
http://www.runtimedna.com/mod/bcs/index.php?ViewProduct=2109
and you will see it is the same character used in those promo pics.  Stands to reason, since he's done the other product that includes the fit for Aiko.

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Funny. We was talking about V4 or about History? :lol:

I'm spanish from Spain, the ugly country which did genocides, brutalities and actually each saturday arfernoon kills six bulls in several cities along all the country. First of all, I hate bullfighting. For me and a lot of people here is a national shame. But also is a HUGE business which moves lots of money each year (ranching, shepherds, animals transport, bullrings tickets, transmission rights by TV, tourism...). So we the people screaming for a votation to eliminate this bloody spectacle are sure that votation never will be done. They (The State,  the Ranchers, the Bullfighters... ) will never allow it. So our last choice is that someday, now that Europe weighs in national decisions, Spain would receives an Europe command saying: 'End this shit or I will give you a monstrous fine'. And that's very unprobable, difficult, far far away...

About Columbus, genocides, blahblahblah... Our World is this. And... better we don't review each countries' past. 'Who is without sin cast the first stone' :crying:

And (damn) recovering the thead: V4 has a cute default smile and face; and yes, she looks like Milla Jovovich  :tt1:

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As far as history goes no nation is squeaky clean. It calls to mind this African proverb:
"Until lions have their own historians, tales of the hunt will always glorify the hunter."

Humans like to think themselves as being intelligent. So if we are so intelligent why are
we always finding new ways to kill, cheat and carry out such high levels of brutality on each other as well as damage the very ecosystem we need to survive in? How can you call that intelligent?
Each year I get older it boggles my mind even more.

Anyway, to get back to the thread I think V4 looks pretty cool just wish Daz didn't make their renders look so cartoon-ish. I think V4 will be a hit! Now if we can just get our hands on her >

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*Humans like to think themselves as being intelligent. So if we are so intelligent why are
we always finding new ways to kill, cheat and carry out such high levels of brutality on each other as well as damage the very ecosystem we need to survive in? How can you call that intelligent?

*Thinking only humans do this is a special kind of naive.  As one biologist noted, if ants had nuclear weapons their wars would sterilize the Earth in a few hours.

Getting back to the conquistadors, not only were the Aztecs brought down in part by some of their own victims, the conquest of the Incas was made easier because the Spanish happened upon them just as they were finishing a brutal civil war.

Ants are not humans and while they are very efficient and organized they do not reason nor do  they have the intelligence we claim to have. And I'm too damn old and seen too damn much to be "naive" LOL!

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More disturbing than bullfighting and Casette being spanish... 

The new V4 hair will not have Alan Alda fit poses!!

ACHT!!

That's bullcr@p!!

Hey! Who threw that red cloth at me!? Casette!?  :P

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One of the many errors in today's politically correct thinking has to do with the idea than an oppressed group of people -- once they are freed from under the yoke of their oppressors -- the 'ex-oppressed' will suddenly begin to work miracles of tolerance & understanding.

The long, sordid pages of human history -- again and again -- reveal the absolute folly of such thinking.

The locals who joyously helped the conquistadors to overthrow the Aztecs soon discovered that they had merely traded one cruel taskmaster for another.  But at least the Spainards didn't torture them and then sacrifice them on stone altars..........

Human beings are not nice people.  And this applies across the board.  Study the history of ANY nation.  Basic human nature will tell each and every time.

I saw a statistic a while back which stated that there have been approx. 20 years of 'true peace' scattered out over the last 2000 years or so -- and that the 20 years were not contiguous.  I don't know where they came up with that figure -- because personally I seriously doubt that there have been that many........

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Quote - There were massacres on both sides.  The atrocities were nowhere near as one-sided as some would have us to believe.

If there were two legitimate sides I would agree, but there weren't. There was only one population with a right to be in the area - and they lost, to the point that only 200,000 were left alive in all of the USA in 1900.

And bringing the Aztecs into that is different.
Yes, I noted it as the second largest genocide in history, after the conquest of Hispanolia, but neither of those is in Toltec lands. I am well aware of the fact that Cortez' "conquest" of the Aztecs was actually a Toltec uprising in which he only played a part as an icon of fear which he later used to establish control after the Toltecs were likewise weakened by disease beyond the point of resistance.

• Something that became key a few centuries later, in the late 1800s, when US Calvary, knowing their history, intentionally gave pox-ridden blankets to Natives on reservations in order to finish them off.

For those who say don't rub each other's past into the present... this is the present for many people. There are women my age alive today who were forcibly sterilized by the government to keep Indian births down. There are men and women both my age who were taken from their parents and given to white families to be raised in 'civilized conditions'.

I was born in 1971.

Only a few years before my birth my parent's marriage was illegal in much of the US, due to anti-mysogenation laws.

But... you wanted to know why I find cowboy hats objectionable. You got it.

If you don't like it, too f-ing bad. Deal. Deal with the fact that a lot of people view the western expansion as a wholly unjustified atrocity, and it brings up harsh memories for many. Turkey has its denial of the Armenian Genocide, Japan Denies the Rape of Nanking, and the US denies the west.

This isn't political correctness - this is being the decendant of a person who walked the trail of tears.

It may be intellectual for you, for me, it is my bloodline that was spilled, and the story is in the faces of all the cousins that were never born.

And don't try to sidetrack that by claiming the old 'noble-savage' line - Where did I say native people were 'paragons of tolerance etc'? Nowhere. I'm not talking about white usurpation of our politics to justify their liberalism or their conservatism. I'm talking about my blood.

Like I said, it was off-topic. You should not have asked me - just accept that I don't care much cowboy hats. I accepted that the other poster didn't care for Matadors, although I agreed with him in that case - I could accept it as his view nevertheless and just move on to art.

But if you ask me wahy, I will answer, and if you don't like the answer, too bad.

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Actualy Cowboys may not be the guilty party (settlers and the US Cavalry are the actual perpetrators), but the image of them has been tied up with the western occupation, even if they are really just cattle herdsmen.

Hey, why let facts get in the way, just attribute it to cowboys in general and move on.

Any more collective guilt you'd like to discuss?

If there were two legitimate sides I would agree, but there weren't. There was only one population with a right to be in the area - and they lost, to the point that only 200,000 were left alive in all of the USA in 1900.

Who's the arbiter of "legitimate"?  You?  Sociologists?

There are theories that modern humans took Europe from the Neanderthals.  Do you burn a little incense for those Geico fellas at night?

If we start worrying over what people's feet first trod every meter of Earth's surface, it's going to take a long time to sort everything out.

BUT, if one does (I do not) one should start with Israel (freshest wounds and all that).

I'm European.  Should I be whining about the Mongols?  They left mountains of skulls (men, women, children) in their wake.  How about the Moors?  Ever wonder about how the Slavs gave their name to slavery?

- Something that became key a few centuries later, in the late 1800s, when US Calvary, knowing their history, intentionally gave pox-ridden blankets to Natives on reservations in order to finish them off.

Define "key."  How many instances of this are reliably documented and confirmed?

*For those who say don't rub each other's past into the present... this is the present for many people. There are women my age alive today who were forcibly sterilized by the government to keep Indian births down. There are men and women both my age who were taken from their parents and given to white families to be raised in 'civilized conditions'.

I was born in 1971.*

Amerinds butchered people and took women and children as slaves.

Only a few years before my birth my parent's marriage was illegal in much of the US, due to anti-mysogenation laws.*

Blue laws?  You're really worried about blue laws?

But... you wanted to know why I find cowboy hats objectionable. You got it.

As you say, because of some Hollywood nonsense.

If you don't like it, too f-ing bad. Deal. Deal with the fact that a lot of people view the western expansion as a wholly unjustified atrocity, and it brings up harsh memories for many. Turkey has its denial of the Armenian Genocide, Japan Denies the Rape of Nanking, and the US denies the west.

Hey, we can get all medieval if you want, but I don't think you do so I'm not going to give you both barrels.

This isn't political correctness - this is being the decendant of a person who walked the trail of tears.

Yes, it's PC.  I'm a descendant of a person who was murdered by the Mongols.  My ancestor was butchered by Attila.  We've all got our racial grievances.  Do we drag them into unrelated threads?  Well, no.

It may be intellectual for you, for me, it is my bloodline that was spilled, and the story is in the faces of all the cousins that were never born.

Are you a racist?

And don't try to sidetrack that by claiming the old 'noble-savage' line - Where did I say native people were 'paragons of tolerance etc'? Nowhere. I'm not talking about white usurpation of our politics to justify their liberalism or their conservatism.

I don't follow.

Like I said, it was off-topic. You should not have asked me - just accept that I don't care much cowboy hats.

Ah, I should've just let your insinuations sit there like a fart in the room, and pretend I hadn't smelled it?  I'll decide what I should and shouldn't do.

ahem  this isn't really the place to discuss this, guys.  Let's not turn an "excitement over new figure" thread into an arguement.  Please. 

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Just saying my piece Jen.  I'll respect your order/request, if it is respected generally.

I dunno, so far I'm pretty underwhelmed.  The face is remarkably like v3's to my eye.  I want to see if they improved the cheekbones, as that seems key to making a really versitile face.

Will need to see more poses to see the 'improved joints.'

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> Quote - - Something that became key a few centuries later, in the late 1800s, when US Calvary, knowing their history, intentionally gave pox-ridden blankets to Natives on reservations in order to finish them off.

The "smallpox blanket" story is simply an urban myth: with little-to-no evidence backing the claim up.  Other than political correctness, that is..........

Yes, we could get into a drawn-out debate on this one.  But as Jen has indicated, I'll let it drop.

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At first it read: "Hair fits only V4". So they've changed it now.  

There are some really big questions that move me these days:

• Shall I still buy some of the wonderful stuff for V3 that I collected in my wishlists in different stores?
• Can I afford a new figure - plus her morphs - plus a texture to make her look human - plus a dress to hide her nudity - plus a wig for her bald head - and of course some decent pairs of shoes for her?
• And an  upgrade to P7?
• And a new PC with loads of memory and harddrive space to make P7 work and to store all the runtime content?
• And all this so close to christmas?

No, of course no. I'll have to set all my hopes on the fortunes of lottery. Maybe the next jackpot will hit my purse.

Yeah, V4 and P7 coming out so close to such an expensive holiday seems pretty short sighted to me.  I mean, maybe some people will give these things as gifts, but as of yet, I still can't expain leaving a download link under the Christmas tree.

I too am underwhelmed with the default look of V4, but her expression morphs look fantastic.  That has always been a sore spot for me with the basic Daz characers.  No way to really use V3 or M3 for animation if you want great acting (well, unless you import them into another program like Maya and adjust the mesh yourself.)

Remember this, there will be a V3-V4 model, so you can easily still use all your old outfits, and there is the Wardrobe Wizard if you want to actually use the improved V4 mesh (that is assuming that it will be an easy thing for them to upgrade to support V4.  I understand V4 works a bit different than what se are used to.)

Looks to bend better but am really not seeing anything that can't be done with v3.  Of course the forums are covered in ooo's and ahhh's but there are already characters in RMP and Daz for V3 that look just like them. 
I don't think many will have a choice if they want new characters and clothes because once she is out, that is what Daz will push. This is the same thing that happened with V2, either learn to make your own or buy V4.  I bet Daz drops support for V3 almost immediately.

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You want em, Ya buy em. 

Ya don't want to buy em, suck it up is all I'm saying.

Your dismissive comments are selfish, and child-like There are more adult ways in order to discuss these differences of opinion..

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we always finding new ways to kill, cheat and carry out such high levels of brutality on each other as well as damage the very ecosystem we need to survive in? How can you call that intelligent?

*Thinking only humans do this is a special kind of naive.  As one biologist noted, if ants had nuclear weapons their wars would sterilize the Earth in a few hours

Humans are the most destructive animal around...And it take a special kind of naive not to admit it...
As far s your ant analogy..They don't, and we do...

"Humans are the most destructive animal around...And it take a special kind of naive not to admit it..."

Not true!  Sharks with laser beams are the most destructive.