Here is a side by side shot of the 2 girls, V3 left, V4 right.

Here is a wireframe shot.

Gawd.... she is even taller than V3... and her legs look kinda l-o-n-g....

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She's only taller if you don't scale her body down. If you do scale her body down you'll notice that actually she's quite a bit shorter than V3.

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is my eyes messing with me, she (v4) has no nipples, lol she is a droid...

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Quote - She's only taller if you don't scale her body down. If you do scale her body down you'll notice that actually she's quite a bit shorter than V3.

 

True... and have you ever noticed... if you scale all your figures to a yscale setting of 0%... they all end up the same size...

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She doesn't take V3 poses very well either. This pose took ok and you can see the bends are better.

Thanks for that comparison.  Boy, V4 looks so much more feminine in shape though.  V3 really does look like a football player next to her!! 

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mmm... her feet look... humungous... or is that just your camera angle..?

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Nope, she has big feet!

She looks a little like Jessi.  And yes, she does have flipper feet!

Does bend better, though.

She's got no decent clothing  yet.  The days when DAZ released new figures with a basic clothing pack are apparently gone.  All of V4's clothing so far looks like lingerie.  :unsure:

Here's another view for comparison.

So you have to buy the morph pack if you want her to have nipples?

**Shadow_Fyre, can you tell how many polygons she has ?

Is she heavier or lighter than V3 ?
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I don't have anything but the base right now and the only thing you can do is make different facial expressions, some of which are pretty cool. She also has very different material zones and body parts selections and I don't see a buttocks selection.

The wireframe pic is not the best but you can tell she looks like she has more polygones.

12/8/06

V4 texture files are free to download. They are not at all like V3 and company. This is a very different critter.

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Probably edited for spelling, grammer, punctuation, or typos.

Joe, according to the promos posted by DAZ, she's higher-res than V3, but comes with a low-res version.

Here's my first Vicky 4 using the HelenaV4 texture I bought to go with her instead of the higher priced Standard and Default HiRez DAZ maps. I just randomised her built in expressions and she doesn't look too happy to be nekkid in public. :lol: If she came with free textures, I just haven't found them yet.

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Does she have a proper genital area, I probably doubt it seeing as though she doesn't have proper tits!!!

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Head shots.

This is what Skondris wrote at Daz: "Victoria has received an incredible make-over. Created from a completely redesigned Unimesh, Victoria 4.0 delivers natural, true-to-life contours and proportions. Improved joints, enhanced anatomical accuracy, and increased texture map resolution are just part of the package. " She does have more polygons there and looks like there could be a proper crease with the morph package, which I don't have yet.

Crotch shot.

Thanks for the comparisons Shadow_Fyre. From what I've seen she does seem to be an improvement over V3. I can't wait to play with her face using the brush-like morphing tools in Poser 7.  I think overall we should be able to create a more realistic figure. I'm also glad she has better legs in the base figure.

Your welcome stormchaser. Here is one of some of her new expression dials. I too can't wait to try the new P7 morphing tool too, on all the body parts!

V4 is actually lower poly than V3, without loosing any detail, 66,024 Polys.

That's a good thing to know because looking at the wireframe it looks like she has more.

"V4 is actually lower poly than V3, without loosing any detail, 66,024 Polys"

If true, that would be very good news.
Don´t get me wrong, I´m not doubting you, but in that wire V4´s thighs are definitely higher rez than V3´s ???

Did DAZ remove polys from her head to achieve the overall lower polycount ?

omg even taller!  >:(  Expression example looks pretty good but those eyes still look wrong to me.

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It may look like she is heavier in polys but V3's face was a subD splice. Mega polys there. V4 with its new mesh could easily absorb all those extra polys into the body and come in lighter.

She looks like a winner to me. Default is just the "book cover". The mesh is a huge jump forward. 

What's up with the fingernails? Separate mesh?

Quote - "V4 is actually lower poly than V3, without loosing any detail, 66,024 Polys"

If true, that would be very good news.
Don´t get me wrong, I´m not doubting you, but in that wire V4´s thighs are definitely higher rez than V3´s ???

Did DAZ remove polys from her head to achieve the overall lower polycount ?

Yep its true, and I have no idea of the actuall statistics of where the polycount is higher and where its lower, I just know that they went to a huge amount of effort to sculpt V4 in the most efficiant manner possible, while still allowing a full range of morphs.

Here's one more done quickly.  She is very cool and has great potential.

How are the body part groupings? Do the seams lines cut across the breasts?
:m_confused2:

My brain is just a toy box filled with weird things

Just for comparison, what is V3's polycount?

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It's aproved! Now I need morph packs and a lot of textures, so I must sell a lot of  props!!!!

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"Just for comparison, what is V3's polycount?"

Here are V3's UVmapper stats

Well this is something I hadn't heard about, from the readme file for the morphs:

What are Morphforms?

[ top ] The term "Morphforms" comes from joining the two existing terms that define it, Morphs and Transforms. Generally speaking, Morphs modify the shape of a figure's geometry, whereas Transforms allow you to manipulate that geometry by rotating, translating and/or scaling it. Morphforms are a combination of the two, in that they are Morph dials that drive multiple Transforms at a time, for the benefit and/or convenience of the user. Since the application recognizes these dials as morphs, any Poses which use Morphforms need to be saved with the "include morphs" option selected in order for the values to be recorded as part of the pose*.

*NOTE:
DAZ|Studio users do not have this limitation. Using the Custom option in the Save Pose Preset dialog, users can selectively record any parameters of their choosing to a Pose Preset.

DAZ|Studio users also have the added benefit of the "Morphforms to Transforms" script available on the DAZ website, which will "bake" the Morphform values down to the actual Transforms which comprise it. This script, when used in conjunction with the "Poser Format Exporter" script, also available on the DAZ website, enables DAZ|Studio users to generate Poser format poses that can be utilized by all users of Victoria 4.

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Quote - Crotch shot.

So... she's still FGM'd, but this time there might be polys in the right place for a morph maker to make something...

I have a few almost flame wars going on this topic by the way...

See here:
forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php

And here:
www.contentparadise.com/forums/contentparadise/index.php
Might be better to not repeat it here... unless a new thread starts solely to discuss the issue and how to address / fix it.

Sydney does not suffer from digital-FGM, according to Content Paradise staff. The thumbnails with the proof are too old to see though - they expired from the server already. But she comes out on the 11th when Poser 7 is available to pre-order download people (on a que- they start processing the que on the 11th, so it might take a few days for me to get as I ordered late).

Hopefully the polys in that crotch shot will be enough to repair Vicky 4.

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I can't find the morphs?  I bought them, downloaded, installed them, but where I would expect inj/rem poses for "All V4 morphs" I only see ordinary poses...

edit: um, duh, they appear to be built into the figure now when she's loaded (rather convenient actually, at least for me) and they are NICELY TREED now.

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"It may look like she is heavier in polys but V3's face was a subD splice. Mega polys there. V4 with its new mesh could easily absorb all those extra polys into the body and come in lighter."

I always had the feeling that V3RR's head rendered (almost) as nicely as standard V3, but her body lacked detail.

Looks like V4 actually is the best of both worlds: Even more body detail than V3, but her head is similar or even more efficient as V3RR.

Hmm, that's an afwul lot of vertices in her crotch to play with.

I guess Signore Arduino right now is very, very happy.

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Got V4 - definite winner. MUCH more realistic to pose than V3 (or even A3).

I finally feel like we've got a modern mesh to use/

Quote - Joe, according to the promos posted by DAZ, she's higher-res than V3, but comes with a low-res version.

 

No, actually, there's only one resolution.  But when DAZ|Studio 1.5 is released with support for sub-d meshes, you'll be able to pose a low-resolution figure, then render the higher-resolution mesh.

Quote - If she came with free textures, I just haven't found them yet.

 

The maps are in the RuntimeTexturesDAZCharactersMilwomanV4 folder.  If you plan to do close-up renders, you might want to buy at least the standard-res textures, because these are fairly low-res.

You'll find a MAT somewhere in one of the DAZ's Victoria 4 pose subfolders.  Or at least, it's there in Posers 5-6.  The P4 library can't show subfolders.

They weren't kidding when they list Poser 6 in the software requirements.  The MAT uses advanced P6 shaders.  The bump maps are even hooked up properly to the bump channel.  And the dials are already grouped neatly.

Quote - Did DAZ remove polys from her head to achieve the overall lower polycount ?

 

Her head (including upper jaw, lower jaw, and all tongue parts) is approximately 13000-14000 polys lower than V3's.

Quote - How are the body part groupings? Do the seams lines cut across the breasts?
:m_confused2:

The chest is all one piece now, like Posette.

Quote - Just for comparison, what is V3's polycount?

V3: 74510
V4: 66024

Errrmmmm.... who is V3 ?

V4 makes use of Poser 5/6 material settings and was designed to be used in Poser 6 (P5 will announce the error, ""This file has a newer version number than expected." when V4 is loaded). V4 uses alternate specular and alternate diffuse settings with math functions and edge blending.

V4 also uses dial grouping, but not in a very thorough fashion. Partial poses and injection morphs are in separate groupings.  Expression morphs aren't broken out the way EFrontier figures are where eye, nose, and mouth morphs are grouped in separate sections.

It's a start, at least.

I'm pleased that DAZ is finally embracing Poser 6, albeit on the eve of Poser 7 ....

Hmm, so far I am pretty pleased, the grouping of morphs all by itself is a really nice change, and morphforms look pretty useful, although I wish they had included finger length.  I guess I will begin converting my meager collection of work over to V4.  

... uh, the tongue has 6 joints O_O 
that has a bit of potential for abuse!

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Quote - > Quote - How are the body part groupings? Do the seams lines cut across the breasts?

:m_confused2:

The chest is all one piece now, like Posette.

Ick...

The one thing the Daz figures had going for them was how the breasts would move with the shoulder - now we're back to 1999?

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Shouldergirdle is still far from correct. I'd love to see some arms up, forward and backward shots. Apart from that: she's ugly.

Collar motion still affects the breasts.

Little_Dragon Thank you for the information. :biggrin:

My brain is just a toy box filled with weird things

thank you for taking the time to let us in on some of the new V4 info

> Quote - > Quote - But when DAZ|Studio 1.5 is released with support for sub-d meshes, you'll be able to pose a low-resolution figure, then render the higher-resolution mesh. > > > > Do you have concrete info on DAZ Studio 1.5 LD??   I'd be most interested in that.  You are welcome to PM me here or at the Forums if you wish!!  > > So far I love V4, can't say that about V3.  There are some that think her head is too large.  Well if you look at the read folks walking around your not going to find many women built like a line backer  with a pin head.  I don't care how pretty you make V3 her head is too small.  V4's head it much more proportionate to her body size.  I love the grouped morph dials and while I think some are missing or will be taken care of in a future pack I think that was a bit mis information there saying it's the full morph pack!   There are NO phonemes which I find strange.  The "look" dials are under the "Morphforms' section.  Very nice actually!!  > > Here is V4, with very little done to her face.  Wearing April's Amarseda hair.  Helena for V4 textures and face morph used.  Rendered in DAZ Studio using my skin shaders created with pwSurface by Poseworkds.  The eyes render very nicely, no post work here.  Eye reflections render similarly as they do in Poser now!   I will be using V4 quite a bit.  She's very pretty right out of the box.  > > She's a winner in my book and with time she will be loved and desired as one of the preferred meshes.  I saw a short animation using just her, no textures or hair and she looks amazing in movement!! > > Richard ;-)~

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Quote - Do you have concrete info on DAZ Studio 1.5 LD?? 

Only what's been officially announced.

http://www.daz3d.com/program/characters/index.php?trid=%20363237204

Scroll about halfway down the page, to the Unimesh Sub-D Cage feature.

Quote - There are NO phonemes which I find strange.

It [i]is[/i] somewhat odd, but it should be possible to construct accurate phonemes by combining the existing morphs.  DAZ has given us an unprecedented amount of control over V4's jaw, lips, and tongue.  And don't forget that much like Apollo's, these morphs work equally well at both positive and negative values.

Yeah I was quite surprised the face is articulated now, that's pretty cool.  I like that a lot.

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Thanks very much LD! 

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Problem:  Her head/feet/chest/shoulders/hands/palms/whathaveyou are  too big/small/broad/narrow or whatever
Solution to all of the above:

V4 has built in scaling morphs to address all of those issues to your personal tastes in body part proportions.  I was particularly delighted with the morph to scale her shoulders.

Edit:  Oh yeah:

Problem: She has no nipples/her nipples are not on by default
Solution:  There are LOTS of nipple morphs to help you create a variety of shapes, sizes, placement, and degree of erection/mine aren't either unless it's really cold when I get out of bed >^_~

But the big problem with her being so tall is that all the combined pose packs of her with micheals etc will come out with her being standard size. We should all have a vote and change her height and the pose making people could maybe use out preferred option. That's never going to happen is it. The couples poses will be made for default V4 - damn! Love esther

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Well dang, you might have to move a finger or toe here and there :tt2: 

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WEll the whole advantage of pose sets is that they really speed things up and that's why people buy them, and particularly couples poses would be hard to modify if you suddenly reduced your V4 to an SP3 height - it certainly wouldn't be a matter of minor tweaking. I just think it would have been very nice if they had made the default V4 just a little shorter than the boys. If people wanted her taller they could always adjust her upwards. Anyway the damage is done now, and I don't think there's anything we can do except do our own posing with couples etc. Love esther

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You haven't bought any of schlabber's stuff have you? Thousands of poses. Oh well. Love esther

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Yeah I have a couple of Schlabber packages, Expression e.g., I had issues with them already in P6/V3 apparently due to my liking of scaling fingers.  I was hoping P7 would allow you to select multiple joints at the same time a la DAZ|Studio, but apparently not.  I'm considering most of my previous stuff training cost basically and just developing my own pose libraries from scratch, too much of a nuisance to load someone else's pose and then tweak it away from their default and fix the inevitable glitches.  I've only recently "gotten it" that you can save partial poses quite easily from inside of Poser, I was thinking it was a big trick for some reason.

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I love his expression pack. I saved tons of them as morph targets and just wind them from 1 back to the desired results on my character that they are saved onto. I had already saved my character's face as morph target so all the expression dials were zero again before I start adding the schlabber expressions. I also found his sitting poses very useful. what is the way you save your partial poses in poser? Love esther

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V4 looks like a not very good mixture of V3, A3 and Gloria and she has morphs similar to The Girls with no name other than "Estelle" or "Francoise" or such, which is not very informative actually. Quite a washout in my eyes. :(

If you zero both figures, and then straighten out V4's feet to true flatfoot, they are almost exactly the same height.

V4 looks slightly smaller though, because her head is the proper size, compared to V3's undersize head.   Undersize heads tend to produce a more "heroic", taller look, which usally only works well for superheros.  ;-)