Forum: Bryce


Subject: cgsphere

cricket2 opened this issue on Dec 08, 2006 · 43 posts


cricket2 posted Fri, 08 December 2006 at 8:17 PM

has anyone created a template for cgsphere using bryce?


AgentSmith posted Fri, 08 December 2006 at 9:10 PM

Eventually will. I found that site last week, the images kill me, lol. Awesome stuff.
I just haven't had time lately for nearly anything 3D.  ;o(
(family + freinds + holidays)

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croowe posted Sat, 09 December 2006 at 1:55 AM

cgsphere ?????


fpfrdn3 posted Sat, 09 December 2006 at 4:21 AM

Yep, I read that one in the Carrara forum, but I didn't know if Bryce could import the scene file with the right camera setup(can't Bryce do .obj files?) Theres some awesome lighting and spheres there, and I set the view to 30 or so on that site, ...didn't see any Bryce at all(but I also didn't go through them all either, there is ALOT). Wish Bryce had a site like that for S.O.W. , lol.   😄


electroglyph posted Sat, 09 December 2006 at 9:06 AM

???http://www.cgsphere.com/
From what I read all you need is the sphere, background, and grid texture. The lighting is part of what you set up. You should be able to import dozens of the provided formats.

Brycers are different. Maybe we could have a teh cube competition?


Svarg posted Sat, 09 December 2006 at 9:33 AM

There's a site? Anybody have an address?

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TheBryster posted Sat, 09 December 2006 at 10:16 AM Forum Moderator

Bryce CAN import .OBJ so in theory the Wavefront.obj zip should work for you. I'll be checking it out in B6 later today.
This site is awesome and the scope of imagination ver impressive. Hats off to these guys!
Thanks to cricket for the thread though!

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pakled posted Sat, 09 December 2006 at 3:18 PM

ah, to have the textures..;)

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AgentSmith posted Sat, 09 December 2006 at 6:21 PM

Yeah, I downloaded the .obj version.

All they are basically asking is you set up the basics of the scene to look like their template in the composition, fov, camera position, etc

After that, its all imagination.

http://www.cgsphere.com

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TheBryster posted Sun, 10 December 2006 at 2:09 PM Forum Moderator

It's a f****ing nighmare! 
The Bryce workspace doesn't allow you to view an 800 x 800 view in its entirety because the B6 doesn't have a vanishing toolbar.  So you have to reduce your screen to maybe 700x700 I think you have to render out at 800 x 800.
I've set things up according to their template but every time I compare mine with theirs I see something wrong.
If I get it right does anyone want me to post it here???????????????

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rickymaveety posted Sun, 10 December 2006 at 3:17 PM

I loved the one called "Water Retention" .... laughed my ass off.

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TheBryster posted Sun, 10 December 2006 at 6:26 PM Forum Moderator

OK! I think I've got a handle on this, although it might need a bit of tweeking. The thing is that they do allow you a little bit of leeway, but there is one big rule! DO NOT adjust the size of the Grid Plane or the Size of the Sphere.
  1. Download  the Wavefront.obj Template.

  2. Unzip to a new folder.

2a) Open Bryce and set your page size to 800 x 800

  1. Import the sphere_template_wavefront.obj

  2. Select DIRECTOR's VIEW

  3. Rotate the .obj and adjust the sun to suit your needs.  This is just a quick repoz so that you can see what you are doing.

  4. Select the TEMPLATE PLANE (that's the ski-slope bit) and select the attribes icon.

  5. Input the data on from the first of the grids I've screen-capped here and OK.
        Remember - you shouldn't need to adjust the SIZEs - just the Position Attributes.

  6. Double-click on the TRACKBALL and when the DIRECTOR grid appears, enter the data from the second of the grids I've screen-capped here.

  7. Render at any rez you like.

This should give you a pretty good start when you compare your render to the SPHERE_TEMPLATE.JPG they've included in the zip file you downloaded.
You can hide the sphere until you finish setting things up.

Now go to work on your scene, but remember - DON'T ADJUST THE DIRECTORS VIEW AT ALL EVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.
I've done it this way so that you can use the CAMERA to work on your scene.

If I've got any of this wrong or you can do it better - knock yourself out!
You must carefully read the rules/instructions they include in the zip.

Goodluck!

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cricket2 posted Sun, 10 December 2006 at 6:36 PM

Hi Bryster,
                 Thank you for taking the time out to help me . I will try it out.Seeems like all the others have a template but Bryce.
cricket2


AgentSmith posted Sun, 10 December 2006 at 7:01 PM

Why do you have the objects and camera at a 45 degree angle?
Why is the camera's X axis at -1.72 degrees?

Everything is supposed to be dead on...

How does it look with those settings?

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AgentSmith posted Sun, 10 December 2006 at 7:07 PM

Well, I downloaded the Carrara version and took a look at that, the render out of that nails the template picture perfectly.

You would think this would be straight forward in Bryce. Line up the camera with the sphere at zero degrees, put the FOV at the equal of a 50mm lens (which is 39.5978, or as Bryce rounds it up to 39.60)

But, no. The grid lines never match up.

Sigh...curse Bryce and its non-real-world measurements, lol.

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TheBryster posted Sun, 10 December 2006 at 7:14 PM Forum Moderator

*But, no. The grid lines never match up.

Sigh...curse Bryce and its non-real-world measurements, lol.

*My sentiments exactly. It looks just fine for me, but then I'm on Mars....!

I'll post a screenshot whent B6 finishes rendering.

*which is 39.5978, or as Bryce rounds it up to 39.60)

No it doesn't - it just sez it does.

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dan whiteside posted Sun, 10 December 2006 at 7:16 PM

For what it's worth, it took Mojoworld user Woz something like 25 tries before it was accepted as a template for MJW.


AgentSmith posted Sun, 10 December 2006 at 7:32 PM

I've basically got it now.

And, of course the girlfriend's home and dinner is at hand.....I swear....once I don't need food, sleep, a girlfriend, to pay rent to the landlord....then I can Bryce in happiness.

I'll dial this in even better and show the results a little later here.  ;oD

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TheBryster posted Sun, 10 December 2006 at 7:49 PM Forum Moderator

Well this may not have worked as well as I'd hoped. Still 'others' may have better luck, better computers, more food, girlfriends who cook for them........

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AgentSmith posted Sun, 10 December 2006 at 7:59 PM

*"girlfriends who cook for them"
*-Yeah, right, lol. She cooks with my credit card.

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AgentSmith posted Sun, 10 December 2006 at 10:09 PM

*Really* close here. The FOV needs some 0.1 tweaking to get those grid lines 100% perfect. I'll put it up for download when I get finished with it tonight.

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danamo posted Sun, 10 December 2006 at 11:12 PM

Damn! That's extremely close! WTG Kirk.


AgentSmith posted Mon, 11 December 2006 at 1:25 AM

Grrrrrr.....I'm getting weird problems. The horizontal lines, line up (close enough). The vertical lines are what I'm trying to dial in...and sometimes those lines on one side of the sphere will all be lined up but not on the other side....and everything is dead straight. (objects, camera)

...I'll keep working on it. May have to crash soon though.

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TheBryster posted Mon, 11 December 2006 at 7:00 AM Forum Moderator

AS: Where did you get the mat for the sphere?

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pakled posted Mon, 11 December 2006 at 6:55 PM

if only they'd used a water plane..;)

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Zhann posted Tue, 12 December 2006 at 2:02 PM

Wow, they have quite an extensive gallery of spheres, this looks like something I might be able to do between jobs, cooking for the hubby, and paying the landlord....=P

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rickymaveety posted Sun, 17 December 2006 at 6:57 PM

AS ....

Did you ever finish??  I've got my CGSphere Bryce scene ready, except for having a workable template. 

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Death_at_Midnight posted Mon, 18 December 2006 at 1:17 AM

Has anyone perfected Bryce settings for this yet? I've been trying but can't quite get it.


rickymaveety posted Mon, 18 December 2006 at 9:12 AM

I've been trying until I'm fairly blue.  I set that damnable camera so it is absolutely at the center of the sphere, and then I back it up ever so carefully .... and close but not cigar.

I'm thinking of approaching this some other way altogether.

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Death_at_Midnight posted Mon, 18 December 2006 at 3:41 PM

I keep getting something close. Just now I thought I had it, but the grid is missing some lines (horizontal ones) where the sphere is. Been playing with various settings over and over. Hrmm...


rickymaveety posted Mon, 18 December 2006 at 3:44 PM

My horizontal lines tended not to render either ... right at the curve of the grid.  I have no idea why.

So, I gave up and used a work around.  Sigh.  But, at least there is now a Bryce render posted at CGSphere!!!!!

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Death_at_Midnight posted Mon, 18 December 2006 at 3:54 PM

This person in the cgsphere site has posted a render done in Bryce. Here it the link.. (let's see if I can do the HTML tags here.. first time I'm trying this...) 

Here's the URL:
http://www.cgsphere.com/gallery/details/?category=Show%20All&view=rating&artist=&main_app=&limit=6&fimit=318&submission_id=1408

Artist name: doc64. The render: "WOTW"


Death_at_Midnight posted Mon, 18 December 2006 at 4:07 PM

:-)  The "Oooooaaaaah Bird" I like! Congrats on posting something. I'm still trying to get them lines right. What was your work around if you don't mind me asking. I'll post here the result of my experimentations. Hopefully someone will perfect a template so we can all populate that site with some Bryce work!

Death_at_Midnight posted Mon, 18 December 2006 at 6:14 PM

Using just the supplied, un-modified Targa grid image, I found up-ing the anti-aliasing to super fine helps. Those missing grid lines started showing up.

Also, making improvements to the gridlines helps too. My mind is blank for terminology, right now, but if you mess around with the grid to give it a bump, that helps too.


Death_at_Midnight posted Tue, 19 December 2006 at 7:59 PM

This is amazingly annoying trying to get everything matched up right. Here's a screen capture of how's it going for me. I am overlapping their template image over the Bryce window (I made this little transparent window at 800x800 to compare as Bryce renders.) It might be a little hard to see, but the Bryce rendering are the faint lines. I haven't messed about with the sphere yet.

But it's like harder than pulling teeth. Has anyone had more success?


Death_at_Midnight posted Tue, 19 December 2006 at 8:03 PM


AGOR posted Wed, 20 December 2006 at 8:13 AM

**Death_at_Midnight....try to render with "Fine Art" antialiasing 🆒 **Im working too but still not so close as Mr.Smith

I wish I had the time...:)


AGOR posted Wed, 20 December 2006 at 8:51 AM

Attached Link: "cgsphere"..Br4

Try either;)Bryce 4 file..

Death_at_Midnight posted Wed, 20 December 2006 at 4:05 PM

Thanks AGOR!

Here's the last that I've done, based a lot on AGOR's work. Now I'm at the same problem with the horizontal line near the camera. Here's a BR5 file.


Death_at_Midnight posted Wed, 20 December 2006 at 4:10 PM


Death_at_Midnight posted Wed, 20 December 2006 at 4:17 PM

Rats! Having trouble posting a zip file here. Anyway, AGOR did a super job. I pretty much matched his work, got the sphere itself closer to the original template. But that's not a big issue since the sphere doesn't have to be exact. I'm impressed with AGOR's work. Just need to get the grid plane's horizontal lines near the camera lined up.


FranOnTheEdge posted Sat, 06 January 2007 at 12:14 PM

**Death_at_Midnight,
**
The trick to posting zip files here is to rename it *.jpg before uploading and those who download it simply remane it to *.zip again before trying to unzip it.

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Death_at_Midnight posted Sat, 06 January 2007 at 7:20 PM

Thanks FranOnTheEdge for the tip!

Has anyone perfected this here cgsphere template? I've been trying.