I’m on the fence still... can someone who has purchased the V4 morphs post a few examples of the body morphs set at 1?  I use morphs like Pear Figure, Thin, Young, Heavy, and Fitness and would like to see what they look like, particularly the larger body styles that were so poorly done in V3.  I would also like to see the breast morph BreastsSize at the largest and smallest (maybe negative?) settings.  I wish DAZ had posted a better image of the included morphs.  The little flash scrolling image leaves a lot to be desired. 

I can do that...  I'll stick a bunch of images into one jpeg and post it here in a little bit.

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hmm I have the screenshots but it's going to be a pain to paste them into one image, if you give me your email address via sitemail I can just email a .zip of them all... I loaded 3 figures and left one at default for reference, got all the morphs you're asking for on the other two with one of them at 90 degress for perspective.

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Cool, I've sent my address by PM

Not seeing it...

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Sent, enjoy - gave you a bonus of BreastsLarge + BreastsNatural, because frankly V4's mams don't look all that great with the sliders up (but I'm not into that gigantic breasts thing anyway).  Min size they actually look pretty attractive.

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Email got here... very useful.  Thanks!

Anyone else cares for a copy please feel free to PM me here.

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I would love some.  Thank you.  Sharen

hmm I'll just put the pics on Photobucket I think, just a min.

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I'm a bit surprised they didn't offer more of a breasts gone morph.  Pjz99, did you notice anything like that?  I often morph V3 completly flat chested and grow her breasts into her final breast size when I use dynamic clothing like tee shirts that aren't cut to fit breasts.

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Quote - I'm a bit surprised they didn't offer more of a breasts gone morph.  Pjz99, did you notice anything like that?  I often morph V3 completly flat chested and grow her breasts into her final breast size when I use dynamic clothing like tee shirts that aren't cut to fit breasts.

 

No such morph exactly, but you can combine BreastsSize -1 and BreastsLarge -.2 (the min) and get pretty close to the ribcage, or I suppose you could just ignore limits.

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I'll have to give that a try once buy the figure.  I do find it annoying how hard DAZ works to cut off anything that MIGHT be used to make figures look younger than 18 (21 in some states).  My GF is pretty small up there with a bit of a baby face... if I posted pics of her in the gallerys I wonder if I'd get flagged for a TOS violation.  Oh well... this will probably just be something else to learn to deal with.  Looks like the larger sizes look great. I only use those in 10% of my work but I'm sure that's flipped for most of the posters.

Thanks pzj99!!.  Can you post a render of the V4 "Feet Small" Morph, please?  I downloaded V4 and I like what I see except for her huge ugly feet.  If the morph doen't fix that problem she'll be a "no buy" for me.

I could if I was not at work for the next ten hours...  The feet I'm pretty pleased with, I like the way they are sized and shaped by default but the morphs for the feet seem quite a bit more flexible and extensive than V3.  I'm not able to get to Poser from work, so I can't help you with pics right now unfortunately.

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Here you nakamuram, they seem to scale pretty well. :) Coldrake

Note that Gazukull brought over a link for a pose file that unlocks the scaling, I have it and it works pretty well as far as I can tell:

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Over at daz forums posted this.  Hacked cr2 with scaling revealed.

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So while there are morphforms that allow gross resizing of hands and feet, you can also further change shape and size of all the body parts on an individual basis with that pose file.  And the morphforms are pretty clean and easy to use, I like that change a lot.

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Thanks coldrake and pjz99.  The scaling will certainly help and hopefully it won't mess up the Joint Paramerters.  I'll play with it, though DAZ must have had a reason for hiding the scaling dials...

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On Poser 6, I don't know about earlier versions, there is an dark arrow point to the right of the dials on the "Parameter Dials" menu. Right click this arrow and choose "Settings". This will give you a popup box where you can change settings for the dial, incuding "Min Limit:" and "Max Limit:". With this you can adjust the limits beyond what the figure's author set them to. You might try this to see if you can flatten V4's breasts even more than;

"but you can combine BreastsSize -1 and BreastsLarge -.2 (the min) and get pretty close to the ribcage, or I suppose you could just ignore limits."

Try this and let us know if this works with V4, "Complete" Morphs, and Poser.

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Right, there is also "Use Limits" in the figure menu I believe.

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Finding the scaling and morphs quite liberating. This is the only figure apart from Apollo that has had really decent scaling (that I've used anyway). Feels kind of similar to use as well. V4's mesh has much more detail in it, but Apollo's scaling and morphs make him a much more versatile base figure IMO. Oh, they are both V4 in the image.

 

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Looks pretty good to me :)  Did you position the hands manually or have you been getting much use out of the extra hand grip sliders?  I hadn't gotten a chance to fiddle with those yet.

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Bit of both. One thing I have found is that the thumb and fingers groups can't be selected in the preview screen - you have to use the bodyparts dropdown. It was more of an issue for the thumbs than the fingers. 
The hand grip sliders are useful, but individual positioning of fingers is a must.

 

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I'm impressed, Carodan.  You morphed and scaled V4 into a child, and got the clothes to fit.  Good work!!

I just tried PhilC's "Better Hand Posing" from Poser Tool Box, on V3.  It works very well.  I tried scaling the feet as well.  It also works well.  You have to use the same Z-scaling on the feet and toes, or you get an offset foot.  

I guess I'll buy V4 Complete.

Dan your females always look like women we see in every day life.  Even your Apollina version surprised me!!  Nice work... as always!!

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Great work with your morphing there carodan!

awesome job there, carodan :) Michal 4blueyes

Quote - Bit of both. One thing I have found is that the thumb and fingers groups can't be selected in the preview screen - you have to use the bodyparts dropdown. It was more of an issue for the thumbs than the fingers. 

 

I am checking this now and I don't have any trouble selecting thumb and finger joints in preview.  I have no idea whatsoever why it would give you trouble there, that's pretty strange.  I've tried all joints of fingers and thumb and I don't see that problem.

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I'd inadvertantly clicked the 'Lock Hand Parts' whilst in the figure menu - Doh!

 

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she's part Hobbit, what do you expect?

Quote - Thanks pzj99!!.  Can you post a render of the V4 "Feet Small" Morph, please?  I downloaded V4 and I like what I see except for her huge ugly feet.  If the morph doen't fix that problem she'll be a "no buy" for me.

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A hobbit?  Like Dildo Daggins?  I thought they had hair on their feet?

good ones carodan, I am with Ram saluting you for your 'real person' morphs and renders.

as everyone can see, V4 is the only character achieving near-normal upper arms and shoulders, other than Apollo. This is encouraging. 

If only the underarm cut did not go so high.       ::::: sigh:::::

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Yea, I don't care for that either but that's a small price to pay for all the other improvements over V3, in my opinion......

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I find that uperarm cut to be an ok compromise in terms of posing the arms both up and down - shoulders can be hell.

 

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**I've now really got into morphing V4's body, & I like it. Yes, even without all the morphs she does seem more realistic then V3, I'm really impressed. I love the way her mid section & legs look plus the breasts seem better. I don't normally do nude scenes but I thought it would be appropriate here to show the example.

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nice stormchaser. I would not go as thin in the torso as you, but I 'get it.' She does not look distorted either. Great legs!

notice the inner elbow? They have definitely attempted to make better deformation there. It still looks off, but compared to the pitiful bend there on V3, this is acceptable. We don't have the muscle morphs yet, right? When those arrive, I'd bet she could be really fine-tuned, or fine-toned if you will.

V4 may well be a workable model for a serious film project.

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Looks really, really good!

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"I would not go as thin in the torso as you, but I 'get it.'"
operaguy - Yes, she is quite thin in places,  I just wanted to show she could be morphed & yet still keep shape. I am so looking forward to the muscle morphs, not for muscle size but for added shape.

Storm, THAT'S the Victoria I always wanted to work with.  Looks a little like GND but prettier, in my opinion.  I'm very very impressed.  She's so darned sexy looking there.  Good work!!  I remember your comments about  the face morphs not matching up so your could recreate your avatar but you know I think you outdid yourself with this example so I'm sure you will be able to get something close. 

The muscle morphs for V4 are out now.  They are in the form of Vittorio.  You get a new cr2 for Vittorio but the morphs themselves can be injected into V4 as well.  I haven't tried it yet but Vittorio looks amazing!! 

This is my version of Vittorio.  Tweaked quite a bit including scaling the hands and feet up a little bit more as well as the head slightly.  The shoulders are a bit off and I need to do some renders to send to Jim so he can look at them a bit and see what's up.   

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RAMWolff - Thanks for your comment, yes I think she does look sexy & also  looks like she could have the body of GND, no major morphing was needed. I will attempt to re-create my character, please Daz give me the face morphs because I can give her a better body than the original.
BTW RAMWolff, great what you did with Vittorio, you may have brought me round to wanting to buy him, the muscles look really cool. I don't normally create male figures so I could do with one. You say you can inject the the morphs into V4, I wonder how they'd look?

It's a bit tough to get her arms and legs to show definition but I'm really, really happy with about everything else.  The feet are great, the hands are great, and Stormchaser I see you like the lovely little AreolaPerk even more than I do ;)

And unless I miss my guess you made her a good bit shorter than default didn't you?

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Ramwolff, have you tried injecting the vittorio muscle morphs into V4 and using them to give her arms more tone -- not 'bulk', just tone?

Also, can the Vittorio figure be dialed down to look like a regular man, you know, not a weght-lifter?

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"It's a bit tough to get her arms and legs to show definition"
**This is why we're banging on about the muscle morphs isn't it!
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**Yes, I love this little dial!! I wanted to do this shape with V3 but I could never get it to look realistic with the chest dials we had. I tended to use the NGM alot for realism, really good & natural. I've sent a PM to Posermatic to see if we can get a version for V4.
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"And unless I miss my guess you made her a good bit shorter than default didn't you?"
Actually, no I didn't. But you're right, she does seem a little shorter, it must be an illusion!

I made Kaballah quite a bit shorter, default V4 is still around 5'11" or 6'.  The character I'm working on is down around 5'5".  Got another render collage coming up in a few minutes that shows off how tough the joints can be, I'm really impressed.

And PS Ramwolff I absolutely love your Vittorio, I will be picking that figure up too, probably tomorrow after I get some Zs (up about 10 hours past my bed time hehe)

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Aye, she is... I measured her at 5'11" with RonStuffs Precision Measuring Tool.

It may not be the most elegant way to go about it, but by scaling her whole body to 90%, I got her to 5'4"

Lookoing forward to seeing that collage pjz! :0)

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Yeah I did about the same, and then bumped her head up .05 or something like.

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1343887

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I'll have to check that out.  I'm currently doing a short AVI showing his arms in the UP position, hand touching like to dive or fly.  I need to send it on to Jim.  I found a couple of things that need tweaked, I think.  It may be something with the Victoria mesh as apposed to Jim's fine work but I won't know until he's reviewed my findings.  I wish I could have beta tested for this one.  I'm such a detail finder.  I think I made him crazy the last time I worked with him!! :lol:

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Beautiful work, stormchaser!!  Nicely toned legs!!  Are those morphs original or from DAZ? 

nakamuram - Thanks, I was so pleased she came out like that. I'm rendering a Vue image at the moment so I can't play with V4 for a while, (sulks) I need more memory.
Anyway,  I used the morphs that came with the extra morphs package. Just wait till I get my hands on the ones to come!

RAMWolff, I have Vittorio and the muscle morphs are terrific on V4! However, he isn't showing in my folder...only his body hair. I'm assuming I have to do something with RTEncoder **. Can you give me a clue on what to do and the steps involved please. Thanks for any help!
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OK, so you have your first file from the 4 you downloaded for Vittorio, assuming you have the Complete and not the basic package.....

Open up the RTEncoder exe and select the "Decode" radio button

File to Decode.  Use the supplied browse button to browse to where the unzipped VittorioComplete.rte is located

Key File.  Use the supplied browse button locate the Victoria 4.cr2

Save As.  Use the dialog to browse to the folder you want to unpack the VittorioComplete.rte

You should be all set

Here's another go with Vittorio.  He's got quite a few of the V4 morphs mixed in.  Also be aware that the ab morphs will be found by clicking on the Abdomen section of the body!!

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Thank you! Yes, I have Victoria 4 complete. :-) I appreciate the help.

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Worked perfectly. ;-)

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Oh goodie.  Glad to help you out!! 

Here's another go at Vittorio.  This is using the bump vein maps.  In DAZ Studio I had to set up these maps on BOTH the Bump and Displacement channels to get them to really pop from this distance.  Set them 100% each and both Min values set to -0.10 and Max values set to 0.50 for Displacement and 0.050 for Bump.

With him really jacked up like this I can see a bit of separation at the shoulders though!  :sad:

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That worked great! :-) We'll just have to be careful to not blow him out too much. :-)

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Quote - The muscle morphs for V4 are out now.  They are in the form of Vittorio.  You get a new cr2 for Vittorio but the morphs themselves can be injected into V4 as well.  I haven't tried it yet but Vittorio looks amazing!!   

Wolff, could you elaborate a little? Can I use Vittorio muscle morphs on a female V4? If so, how?  Do I have to inject or something similar? Are the V4M morphs individual morphs a la Gen 3, or are they transmorph collections?

So many questions...

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John

As long as you have the full version of V4 you can use the Vittorio morphs on her!!  Injection morphs included in the pack!!  

PS: If you are fan of DigiCalimero's work like Eszter, it seems that the smile I see in this pose that "Evil" is wearing .... well .... her face looks like Eszters to me a bit.  It's the smile, that beautiful smile she has!! 

Example above....  Off to bed now....

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RAMWolff - Those veins look brilliant!

Quick update!

I'm back from my family trip, and am starting the Vittorio freebies again. Ramwolf gave me a nice list of improvements for Vittorio, and I'll be releasing them as a freebie later this week. (thanks bud, wish I could have got you a copy during testing).

All of Vittorio's morphs work on V4. For those that want a slimmer V4, inject the "to v4" morph into V4, and dial it to -.5. It'll take her halfway between Vittioria and V4, and gives a more athletic, less busty look.

Here's a pic of V4 with Vittorio Muscles and Definition.... No V4 morphs at all.

See, now that's what Amazon should have looked like!  :biggrin:

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DAYUM!!  Very cool Jim!! 

Yea, I wish I coulda helped you beta test this great project..... Keep me in mind, I promise not to drive you TOO crazy!! :lol:

Can't wait to get my mitts on the update for sure!! Woohooooo!!

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One thing I would like in your update pdxjims - apparently when you load Vittorio's morph, it removes or hides certain materials groups, one of which is either Nostril or Nostrils.  I use Ambient Occlusion to kill things like nostril glow, and apparently both material groups need it to completely kill the glow.  If you could back that out that would be great, even if you're not putting any texture in that zone.

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carodan, any chance of your morphed V4(child) becoming available? That would be something I would purchase in a second.

YngPhoenix - I sent you an email.

 

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carodan, email received and one sent back to you.

i found that scaling in v4 is forced to all axis at once, no individual x y or z
am i missing something here?

on the individual body parts anyway...body has x y and z

They're hidden but they're there.  There's a pose file out on the board somewhere that un-hides them, I'll look around for it.

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wow cool thanks

Who is Apollina?

Attached Link: Apollina - CP Apollo forum

Apollina is a female morph for Apollo that I've been playing with off and on for about a year. There are a number of images showing progress throughout the thread at the link provided. Not sure whether it'll ever get finished unfortunately as I lack the technical expertise in to make certain things work well. Fun to toy with though.

 

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