There's so many threads comparing V4 to Sydney that I thought it may be fun to do a challenge based on that. 

How's about posting your best Syndey or your best V4 character faces to see which one looks the most realistic and beautiful. I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder but hopefully the diveristy of faces will give the rest of us a clearer idea of which is the most versatile figure. 

Note to make this fair there should be NO postwork but using textures and lighting is OK (after all thats were most of the skill comes in when using the raw Poser package). Also I think we should restrict to using only Sydney base and V4 plus the Morphs++ pack ( Lets face it V4 has no real face morphs out-of-the-box so we would be restricted to one face for her).

This hopefully will be a chance to stretch our creativity as well as giving those that are considering whether invest in another character the chance to see whats possible.

Maybe later we could do one to show off the body (although this will be harder as character realism  and shape will vary depending on the poses). But maybe just the face for now.

What do you think - any takers for the challenge?

I like the idea.

So can we use the Face Room on Sydney?

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Yes, the face room is fine since that is where Sydneys face morphs are (correct me if I'm wrong though since I don't have Poser 7).

Oh and lets not have loads of discussions on which is superior based on Mesh density and joint parameters etc. (since I don't understand all that anyway!).  The proof is in what can be achived so put your money where your mouth is and lets see whats possible with just the included (or in V4s case the add-on) morph pack

Have fun and lets see what you can do with those gals!

OK I'll start the ball rolling with my V4 morph. (Maybe she's sad because she knows Sydney might give her a run for her money!)

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Ok I'll play :)

Here's Sydney morphed in the face room, where I also tweaked her texture and added a blush overlay.  Freckles painted in postwork.

Thanks to Trekkie I've got her eyes looking normal!

Oh, and click on the image to see original size, this board does a horrendous job of resizing and compressing shudder

That Sydney is amazing, save that this contest said no postwork. :) But even if I ignored the freckles I think it would beat almost every V4 I've seen so far.

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Thanks arcady, oops, I didn't even see that we weren't allowed to postwork!  Oh well, it's just a few pixels :)

But ok, just to play fair, here's one of V4 with no postwork.

Btw, I've uploaded the three Sydney faces to freestuff, they should show up within 48 hours.

Are you using the morph brush - create? I find it too 'impactful'

I try to set it very low, but the slightest touch and the figure is growing horns out of the lips, cheeks, or wherever I try from. Hopefully someone will write a tutorial on it .

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V4

I find that setting the magnitude to .01 or .001 makes it easier to work with. Also, with some exceptions, "relative to: screen" gives better results than "relative to: surface".

V4 some morph dials later..!

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Here is my V4

Here's a quick render of V4 I did yesterday, hardly morphed, I just used one of the character presets (sorry I can't remember which one...) with a setting of about 0.6, the texture is the Standard by Daz...  I hope I'm doing this right, not used to posting images on  the forum...

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Amazing work folks but I wonder whether the lack of Sydney entries is saying something about her capabilities compared to V4 hmm?  (then again maybe the P7 users are too busy exploring the new package)
Lucie - this is AMAZING. If I hadn't bought V4 before,  this would seriously make me consider it. BTW, if you ever do remember which character morph you used I'd love to know - this face is perfect for a render I have in mind.

Thanks everyone for posting - but please keep them coming :-)

These pictures help to figure better out what Sydney really looks like :)

I suspect a lot more people bought V4 than bought P7.  And some of those who did buy P7 are probably waiting for physical delivery.

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Just to add a little something different to this white-girl party. :)

This is Sydney, made in the face room and a little morph brushing.

This render wasn't done for focusing on the face. I might go back and do a face shot for the thread here.

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StealthWork, I just checked, it's the Lisa morph in the character presets, I didn't put the dial completely to 1 though, I liked it better with a lower setting.

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Thanks Lucie.
Tried playing with the Lisa dial as suggested but it didn't come out anywhere as well as yours. Oh well guess thats where the skill comes in !!!

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I guess I'll add one of mine:

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This is the first pretty face I've dialed with V4, she takes some getting used to.  Nothing with Sydney yet, but I do like her, so I'll try and do one up as soon as I get some time.

Great work so far, everyone!

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Here is a render of Sydney, unfortunately not very hi q. I have done a few adjustments in the Face room to make her head a bit rounder. She looks a bit like Miki now.

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Here's my shot at V4, sorry can't get rid of the glowing nostrils. No post work,.. done in poser7

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These are great everyone!

Pjz99, I really like your set up and render!  Is that both characters?

Nothing artsy-fartsy, I wanted to try and see if I could get V4's face to look similar to Kalypso's Sydney.
I'm a novice/newb so I know it's not perfect and someone with a more experiance & skill could do a much better job!

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Yep those are the two from my gallery pics, another play render to get an idea of proportion and scale.  Two down, around six or seven to go!

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Hey, Sydney looks just like your avatar!

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I am really digging Syndey so far. I just got a chance to play with her tonight. This is her straight out of the box with her "ultimate" textures from the material room. I haven't given V4 a fair opportunity yet. I am sure they will both be very nice in their own way. It seems like DAZ characters get more vendor support than Poser characters. We'll see...

OK, I was playing with V4. She's got some other great qualities. I find her facial structure to be more well suited for younger women or fairies. Her pupils are WAY too big for my tatste and need adjustments.

I guess I like both of them, it would just depend on the nature of my render as to which one I would decide to use.

Sydney has a "kick-ass" look about her. V4 looks rather young & naive.

Just my opionion!

Wow...great work LaVonne! Here is one I'm working on now. Hopefully she'll be finished by the weekend. She finally made it through IPB. :-) For Vicky 4 Complete.

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V4's pupils and iris are on a slider on the Head :)

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Yup, found 'em. Thanks! I wish they were "normal" to begin with.

She's really cute Damsel!

I know this is a V4 / Sydney Party… but this HiRes-Jessi wanted to crash.

 

This is the standard P6 HiRes-Jessi with extensive face morphs.

 

No Post Work !!!

 

I think She could give both V4 and Sydney a run for the money.

 

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Wow kimber89!  Now that's an idea!  It's very very close too :) Was this done using V4's morphs or did you also morph her yourself?

I came in to find out WHO Sydney IS ... ah.. P7... nope.. don't have it... LOVE my P6.3 just fine and my V4 is doing well.... was busy with something else but did want to do a close up portrait of her from my latest gallery image....

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Quote - Wow kimber89!  Now that's an idea!  It's very very close too :) Was this done using V4's morphs or did you also morph her yourself?

 

Thank you Kalypso! I morphed her myself using the regular V4 morph dials...alot of them :))). No other morphing tools like D-Former or Poser (I can't for the life of me figure that program out) and I don't think I used any preset character dials...I'll have to look again.

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[ My V4 Image](http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1349484) has nudity in it, so I didn't post it directly in the thread, but here's one of Sydney (face-room morph, plus TrekkieGrrl's lower-lid reduction morph).

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Damsel, I find your Lorelle really really cute!  :)

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My v4 is ready to enter the fray!:)

Here is a render I made of Sydney. The face was done in the face room using a photo reference. Excuse the poor render quality, still don't have the hang of doing a proper render in P7. Later I'll post one of my V4 character heads.

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I'm seeing a trend that it's very hard to get Sydney to look un-Sydney-like, particularly around the eyes.

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I would say that on the basis of the renders here, that is more true of Vicky than Sydney. Two of the Sydney renders here are mine though - and the look in them is my style moreso than Sydney in particular.

My only Vicky 4 is here.
And the only reason I don't post it here is that there are already too many Vicky renders in a thread that was supposed to be about comparing. You can't compare when only one is getting most of the posting.

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I can't see how the V4 images have more in common with each other than the Sydney ones.  Certainly mine don't.  I can't see how you can get rid of the epicanthic fold on the eye from the face room, I've put some time into it and just ended up with variations on an eye with an epicanthic fold.  There don't seem to be any face morphs out there on the various vendor pages to help with that either.  I guess you could poke and prod around with the morph tool but that's a lot of vertices in a very small area, I didn't have much luck with that either ...

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Quote - Pjz99, I really like your set up and render!  Is that both characters?

 

Oops, I never really understood what you were asking until this very minute.  The picture of mine of the two ladies standing side are both V4.

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Quote - I can't see how the V4 images have more in common with each other than the Sydney ones.  Certainly mine don't.

Well they've all got similar facial structure and ethnic features, and eyes don't vary much in them either... And you know those white people, they all look the same anyway. :)

• But seriously, there are a lot of angular jaws, pinched 'wicked witch pointy' noses, rounded eyes, and coligan lips

Going on the basis of the work in this thread.

The thread doesn't do Sydney justice either - as most of the Sydneys in here look to be unmorphed. Mine have some morphing, to make her look Asian rather than Caucasian. The others seem to be the default face or closer to than even my limited shifts.

Kalypso's first image of Sydney though - that pretty much still wins the thread for versatility in a model's face.

As for available morph packs for Sydney - I will semi-agree. I am very annoyed that none of the available packs have seen it as important to show many preview images of the potential face morphs. The best previewing is Netherwork's pack, and all it does is show six faces. I want to see something on the level of the kind of preview images Capces does for her Mil3 packs.
-That said, until you buy the packs, you can't fairly state what is in them, because the sellers are hiding the details from us. However due to that I have so far refused to buy them... My morphs so far have been in the face room and morph brush.

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I think Sydney can be morphed to vary considerably, in a multi-ethnic variety I mean.   I've put together 5 custom faces for her that should be available soon from Content Paradise - a freebie of course.   For those of you who haven't got it yet, grab Trekkie Girl's Sydney morphs too from the link.  She also includes a great morph for the lower eye bit that's bothering a lot of us :)

Got P7 last night... My first Syd render

My second Syd render. =)

.... and third.

No textures because I wanted to finish the render this week, but this was maybe twenty minutes of dial spinning....

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Have to add mine, Sydney, a few of RDNA's Head morphs used on eyes, and morphing tool on cheeks, lips and nose.  Sharen

Sydney, mild face morphs done in Hex

Just looking at these renders, I must say I really like how Sydney looks. "A Kick A**- Face" - like some one said earlier. She looks energetic, the sort of girl you can actually picture doing something physical. Like sports or being an action heroine. And yet she is very pretty too. Great face. Looks perfect for what I need for my comic. So I had to buy Poser 7 because of her mainly. Haven't actually downloaded the program yet.

 V4 looks like a fairy to me. Or a fashion model. She is very pretty and all that but I can't picture her doing anything else except looking pretty and posing for the camera. Well in any case I don't have her so what do I know. Mind you, Im not saying this to diss V4, just that I personally don't need her right now. I'm sure she is a great piece of work.

Thanks for every one who posted pics in this thread. Those pics helped me to decide what to get. P7 or V4.

P.S. Kalypsos morphs for Sidney look wonderfull in that preview.

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Quote -  V4 looks like a fairy to me. Or a fashion model. She is very pretty and all that but I can't picture her doing anything else except looking pretty and posing for the camera..

 

LOL! Uhh Sorry. Could you point that gun somewhere else? ...Please?..Pretty please.

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This isn't really V4, but it is 100% her head and head morphs.

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I just think V4 is smooth and more female looking....I too am loving her the more I work with her!  Full pictures in my gallery, both of the full portrait and full body of her and the cat. :)

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I just don't see how you can easily change Sydney's face very much to make her not-Sydney.  Make her skin a different color, add freckles, whatever, you still have that deep lacrimal cut and epicanthic fold and that special curve of cheekbone and chin.  With V4 it's trivial.  Default Sydney face is pretty, sure, but I would never use the default face for any real purpose.

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According to you ,what for now the best texture for V4 except the one selling with her by DAZ?
I am searching one with a look more natural,not so shinny and  not with lots of makeup

DAZ high-rez is great (imo the best by a wide margin)
DAZ Nadia is great
DAZ Laura is great (although the tan is uneven, I don't know why)
PoserPros Jojo is very good, although her shader version mats looks a little greasy to me (fixable by tweaking the mats)
(I think on PoserPros) Zinnia is pretty good

Edit:  Oops, Grace is pretty indispensible for any black character you might want to create unless you just make your own skin; while you might be able to darken most of the skin down, the palms and soles of the feet will be wrong (typically they are much lighter than the rest of the body on a black person).

Most of the rest are really pretty indistinguishable from each other, just bland creamy featureless skin.  The brand new DAZ release Emma is not what I hoped for, it looks like smooth skin with heavy makeup on.  Oh well.

note: I own all of these skins and I'm not talking about looking at them from promo pics.

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Well, I finally got a chance to fiddle with V4 so I thought I'd get in on this..... (be sure to "click the pic").

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Sydney again

Clearly making crappy renders is my speciality...Her upper lip needs more work but meh I'm feeling kinda lazy now. Used ultimate headmorph pack.

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well, from what i have seen thus far, i think sydney's face has more character, grit, life, whatever to it than V4's...i have V4 and i find her to be ok for the most part (crappy eyes and her teeth look like little pegs--sydney's teeth are great)...i haven't sprung for poser7 yet so i will have to wait to play with syd, but i think she's more my kinda gal..

Just two different mindsets/aproaches Goldie.  With Sydney, you get a 'character' as a base, to start with.  With V4 (and other Victorias), you get a 'blank slate' to start with.

In the case of Sydney, if that character is appealing to you, then you're all set, but it might be difficult in some cases to get the 'Sydney' out of Sydney when you want something else.

In the case of V4 (along with the morph pack(s)), you start with something more 'generic', but is more easily moldable to something new (there are fewer 'defining characteristics' that you have to undo).

Both are equally vaild approaches and both have thier uses.

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*"it might be difficult in some cases to get the 'Sydney' out of Sydney when you want something else.''

*You've just put your finger on the feeling I've been having since the beginning of this thread but that I couldn't explain to myself...  I think Sydney looks fantastic, I find she has personality, but she has traits (not sure this is the right word) that seem to be there on every render I've seen of her and makes her look not as versatile as V4 (she has a "personality" out of the box that is hard to get rid of to give her a new one with morphs maybe?), like the shape of her upper lip, the way it turned up a bit...  Is there any way to play with her so this isn't as pronounced?  Not that I don't like the shape of it, but I wonder if you can get rid of it to make her look a little more different?

I hope my post makes sense, not sure I'm explaining very well...

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There are a few detailed areas that (without some specific morphs) will be difficult to get rid of.  As you mentione, the upper lip is one of those.  The overall shape of the eyes and the (huge) ledge on the lower eyelid and the shape of the lids in general are another.  A bit more subtle is the overall shape of the head/face, but that's easier to deal with in the face room than the others.

I hadn't bought any of the face morph packs available for Sydney yet, so I can't comment on how well they address those specific areas.  I've seen several claims of "She can be whatever you want her to be" (and similar), but... well, that kinda goes without saying - IF you had the necessary morphs in place, you could make her look like a giraf or an alien, so the question becomes what can you do with her out of the box and what morph packs are available for her (and what morphs are included in the morph packs). 

Out of the box, she IS compatible with the Face Room, so that's a definate plus, but to address those 'traits' details mentioned above, you'll have to use some morphs not included out of the box.  To be fair, you can't exactly do a lot with V4 without morph packs either.

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Lacking "character, grit, life, etc. etc" is not the fault of the model. It's up to the user to bring them to life.

Well thanks all for contributing to this thread and showing off your excellent renders. At the end of the day my "personal" opinion based on what I've seen is that Sydney really isn't as realistic as V4. (Remember at the start of this thread I was looking for realism and versatility). Maybe its the lack of realistic textures or P7's lighting (or maybe its my definition of what realisc means!).
 but from what I've seen V4 is far more capable These are the problems I see with Sydney
1/ not enough realistic textures
2/faces all look basically the same
3/Too many angular facets on her face giving her an almost in-game graphics quality

Maybe Sydney would be more versatile in the face room but I've yet to see any examples of that. 

i think for now I'll stick to the Daz figure and judging by the number of negative threads on P7, I think I'll also stick with Poser 6. 
Of course feel free to contradict and post me some killer Sydney images ;-)

Thanks again for taking the time to contribute to this thread and please keep it going. I'm going to unsubscribe from it now but will definately check back from time to time.

Excellent forum about V4 and Sydney. Well, I think V4 and Sydney are beautiful, but I prefer Simon. He is fantastic.

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Sydney could be fixed to look quite different with Z-brush. I don't think the ultimate morphs really seem do much for her. I don't have them, so I'm just going by what I've seen.
I think they both have potential, as meshes go.

just some faceroom tweaking and a new brow

> Quote - Excellent forum about V4 and Sydney. > Well, I think V4 and Sydney are beautiful, but I prefer Simon. > He is fantastic.

:) After playing with Syd for a couple of hours, I loaded Simon and turned him into a passable Rafer Johnson (black athlete/actor from the '60s) in less than five minutes. Very impressive.

On the one hand, V4 is pretty clearly the more malleable figure, as you can see here. On the other, Sydney, like Jessi, has a uniqueness that makes her seem very human. I'm happy to have both. But of course, I like Judy, Steph, and Jessi....

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Kimber those are some really nice characters with a lot of "character" :)  I hadn't looked in on this thread for a while because the whole argument is getting pretty old - and I'm a noob, I'm sure for the people with experience it was farting dust from the first day.  Beautiful, classy stuff.

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If E-frontier paid the attention to detail they did in constructing the head, feet, and hands, with the torso, they would have exceptional characters. The leg rigging is really much improved, but they could do better with the shoulders, and magnet joint controls. I still consider their characters to be first generation work. I imagine by generation three they will have, or should have things under control. I think the faces are their characters best features, with the possible exception of Jessi - although, I never thought she was that bad myself.

Quote - Kimber those are some really nice characters with a lot of "character" :)  I hadn't looked in on this thread for a while because the whole argument is getting pretty old - and I'm a noob, I'm sure for the people with experience it was farting dust from the first day.  Beautiful, classy stuff.

 

Thanks pjz99! I'm a noob too and yeah the arguement about who's better than whom is old. :lol: 
I really enjoy spinning the facial morphs alot. 

Your work is awesome!  When I finally get to the body morphs I hope they would look as good as yours like in the pic of the two you did!

Really?  Geez, that's nice of you to say, thanks very much!

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Thought I'd add a couple of Sydney renders to the mix ...  custom morph on these.

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