Well its early days for Poser 7 and I guess I shall have to wait until they we see service release 1.

Right now I'm using a powerful 3.8GHz PC with 2GB of memory and a super fast graphic card and Poser 7 is crashing and leaving me dead and sometimes its telling me its out of memory etc etc and thats with just two characters and no background props and then I get messages saying Sorry, Poser has to close, its run into some serious problems ... ouch... there goes another masterpiece I didn't get round to saving it....! 

I tried reducing the render options bucket size to 18 but even that doesn't help. Any useful suggestions would be nice.

shame really!! as this is why i didn't get on the "getting poser7 as soon as it comes out" bandwagon. What you describe is exactly what poser6 was like (i got that as soon as it was out) poser 6 was not useable until service release 2 (about 6mths later)

I hope everyone learns from this and doesn't order Poser8 early or as soon as it comes out, that way the customers aren't the beta-testers, and they will have to "pay" some beta-testers to ensure poser9 works out of the box!!

Hi!

I think this version is far better then P6 was when that came out, I installed it and went back to P5, installed SR 1/2/3 and went back to P5, never liked P6.

P7 on the other hand works like a charm for me, havent opend P5 since i installed P7.

Regards / Jonny

There are sure lots of bugs in P7, but I don't get the crashes, so I would suspect some incompatibility with your graphics card. EF mention this in the readme. Try to disable the hardware preview settings, just to see if the problem goes away. If that was it then you could try a driver update.

i had to return to P5 until sr2 came out for P6, but since sr2 i have never had a problem with P6, it runs like a charm!!

There will always be bugs in the first release of any upgrade of any program. With that in mind I always install an upgrade next to the old version. I always keep working in the old version and  I try out some new things in the new one to see what's worth. If you make production work for a living, stay with the old version untill there's a stable service release.
Last year I spent €2500,- on an upgrade for Autocad (2006LT => 2007 full), but I'm still working with the old version, not because the new version is unstable but I haven't got the time to convert all my custom menu's and libraries.
There are some reason why I buy a new upgrade for poser now and don't wait untill it's stable:
First: I'm curious, which is for me the most important reason; second: there is some profit in buying before it's released, like extra content;  third: service releases are always free, fourth: I' will always be  (at least trying to be) enthousiastic about the new features so the makers will know they've done a good job and keep them going, and fifth: I will always complain about the new features so the makers will know that they still have to improve them and keep them going. (I think it's called feedback.)

I'm convinced that if everyone waited to buy untill  the first service release came out, there wouldn't be a service release at all.
Perhaps E-frontier should change their vision about the beta-proces and let more people get involved with, instead being so mysterious about their new release (wow, we've got seven secret reasons for you to buy Poser7, and we will reveal them one by one)  Perhaps they're afraid that someone runs away with their secrets but I haven't seen any fresh and amazing ideas, that other companies could use:
    -multi-threading rendering; well, it's about time they include that.
    -multiple undo; another overdue item
    -talkdesigner; I've seen something similar before, but I don't remember where.
    -layered animation; also nothing new.
    -morphing tools; ditto
etc.
Don't understand me wrong; all these add-ons make it a better product, but they're not really  surprising.

I love the way Rhino3D (McNeel-associates) involves its users in the beta-proces, the beta-version is free for every registered user and there's a newsgroup-forum to report bugs, wishes, results , questions with a load of experienced and enthousiast users and developers who can reply. Every beta-version expires after about 2 months, but there's a new release very two weeks. I know I won't be surprised when the final version will be released (perhaps the price will), but I was surprised several times during the development proces and that makes it fun.

-How can you improve things when you don't make mistakes?

Man!... hope some one here can help... Could be your graphics card, need driver updates, a different sort or something... I've been playing with Poser 7 since the 13th  and it runs like a dream for me, and my pc is half that of yours. Just one problem opening one render I saved, the skin has fallen off the bones...and bits of the skelleton are sticking out all over. It's a right mess, no idea how that happened or why.

I've been playing with maybe 20 or so different new items in poser 7, saved maybe as many, and that one is the only one that caused a problem. No crashes, freezes or otherwise for me. And the render times! WOW... so fast!... AND!... the amount of figures, clothing, props etc Poser 7 can cope with makes Poser 6 look how Windows Paint is compared to Photoshop!

Good luck

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I've been playing with Poser 7 since the 13th

I should have pick another date to install it...

-How can you improve things when you don't make mistakes?

Not suspisious me, bopperthijs. Good job too as I didn't think of the date... LOL

**RedtailHawk - I have also been playing with P7 since the 13th and boy it can be so slow.
As a matter of interest if you select a figure in a poser scene and then go to delete it how long do you have to wait until its gone? I don't mean the entire scene. In P6 deleting a character from a scene say V3 is almost instant in P7 its half a minute or more, at least for me it is.

My graphic card is an nVidia Quadro FX3400 and it has the latest drivers - I can assure you its not my system otherwise P6 would be crashing on me and would be very slow. I find some things about P7 nice the rest is as bopperthijs has said 'There's nothing really new here e-frontier is catching up with the rest of the gang.

Honestly much of what bopperthijs has said is very relevant and I agree with him.

I guess my reasons for having P7 is more or less the same as** **bopperthijs except that he has a better attitude about it than I do so II need to follow some of his advice.
**

That's strange. Poser7 hasn't crashed on me ... yet. Still, the erase figure time lag is distractive. However, it only happens to me for the first figure erased, after that, it runs more or less smoothly. But that is me. Cimputers being so customizable, exotic combinations can cause unforseen problems on a software. So probably an open beta as with Silo or Lightwave could be used, but those two proggies are more in a specialized market niche, with users mostly knowledgeable about lots of things that Poser people don't need to know (which IMO is great, no need to be a 3d guru to use Poser and get outstanding work).

Probably the best choice is to report the crashes etc to customer support so they have more information on what is working and what not, so when the service release is ummm released, it irons out as much glitches and bugs as possible.

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I've had to delete items quite often PXP... just a slight increase in speed than poser 6 for me, not so much faster as to make a difference really. But a lot of people are having problems with 7 that they didn't have with 6. Guess I'm lucky not to have anything happen to me... yet... LOL

Other than putting the port speads up to max I've not tweeked this pc in any other way, and I normaly have a browser open as well as PSP or photoshop at the same time too. 

I got the ATI 256MG 126-Bit PowerColor9550 GameFX graphics card, BTW

Best to send your error reports as manoloz says then.

All the best of luck, as I'm really hoping people can get their bugs sorted, P7 really is the bees knees to me, and seeing how much trouble others are having when I'm having such fun seems so unfair.

OK, I've been talking to my son who's the PC tech of the family, he says it's more than likely your graphics card. He says you have a PCI graphics card which are not specifically set right for graphics programs.

Before you go off on that, he says if you have one that works with graphics programs perfectly well then you have been lucky, but if you change to an AGP slot card it should solve your problems.

Just because Poser 6 works fine with your graphics card don't mean to say we're wrong either, but there must be something Poser 7 does that don't agree with your current PCI card.

My son said PCI cards sort of go around the long way to get to a point and is more suited to ordinary web browsing and pc TV use, where as an AGP card is graphics dedicated for graphic programs and gaming so goes straight to the point.... if you get my meaning.

When I first got my pc I had big problems with graphics programs and stuff so my son checked the graphics card to find a PCI card installed. I bought a new AGP card and this pc has been just superb ever since. (Pentium4)

I also put deleting to the test in Poser7 and... well... boom it's gone in an instant. I thought it was slightly faster but never really thought much about it till you said and I tested. Seams like the more I use Poser7 the faster and better it's working... LOL

Anyways... I suppose the thing to do is try an AGP graphics card and see what happens.... as long as your pc has a slot for it that is.... which it should, but a rare few don't.

A 700x700 pixel render of a preteen in 4 items of clothing and hair, using bog basic settings, (72 DPI, no shadows etc,) took 6 seconds to render.... WOOOOOSH!.... I didn't even have time to go take a leak... LOL

What processor have you got? BTW. as Athelon (AMD) can be very, very picky too.... IF people can get one to bloody work at all... LOL...  and before anyone has a go at me for that, we've had 3, one new and two second hand.... one refused to boot up at all... the other two just crash within minutes to an hour if they do boot... something to do with the heat sink??? that we just cannot solve.... we just can't work out what's up.

TTFN
Hawk

Your PC expert cannot even get an AMD processor to run? Oh, I'll trust him on anything he says ;-)

Dizzi... my PC expert is new to AMD/Athlon... and only worked on pentiums... hence the ??? ater.... cheers for the sarcastic remark... nlm

I have an AMD and have always have since i started using Poser. (Poser3) and have had very little problems. As far as P7 so far other then a few things which i can't classify as BUGS yet because i am still learning some of the functions, it has been running without a hitch (knock on wood) however the many crashes do sound more like a graphics card conflick to me. but i am no expert lol.

You might as well PAY attention, because you can't afford FREE speech

Thanks Stallion... I know several other AMD owners who love their pc too and have no probs with them... Having read a lot of forums where peeps are having the same problem it's starting to look that way. My pc is a mere dinosaur compared to some that are having problems with Poser7.... so if it's working so grand on mine what's their problem, other than graphics card?

BTW Dizzi... where does it say I said my son was an expert?????..... funny how humans keep reading or hearing my words but assuming I say or mean something totaly different.... READ MY WORDS!.... "my son is the PC Tech of the family"... can anyone say... 'pr***' ........ just don't tempt me OK? I am not in the mood! AND! I am trying to help some one use poser 7 instead of blasting this supurb program as being the problem!!!!!!!!!!!...  If Poser7 is working beautifuly fast on my pc, AND A LOT OF OTHERS, and with NO bugs or crashes or hangups... then what IS wrong with other people's pc's if Poser7 is screwing up on theirs?????.... hu? HU?

I think I rest my case...  don't you???

Sorry for being a bit harsh there, but I'm just sick of the constant blasting and lack of respect shown in forums these days.

Sorry, I'm just fed up with threads filling with "help" from the clueless.

Gee Dizzi,

I looked over the thread a few more times but I just don't see your "help." If you're not clueless, then what's pxp's problem? Expert help from you would be much more useful than sarcasm toward someone who's genuinely trying to assist.

pxp: FWIW, if you have some tech skills, you might want to try the following: 

Before you load Poser, do a ctrl alt del to get into the Task Manager and look at what processes are running (the process tab). Many programs that you install will load some background process that is constantly interrupting the CPU. One of the most problematic is caused by "Drag-and-Drop" CD burning software, although there can be numerous others created by everything from printers to smartcard picture downloading software. 
It may take some intelligent R&D, but try ending all these unnecessary processes. They can whack Poser pretty badly and cause some of the symptoms you describe.
Do not end explorer, but almost everything else that is absolutely needed by the system will tell you that it can't be ended and even if you create a problem, all you have to do is reboot and everything will come back, AFAIK. 

I do this regularly before I load Poser and it seems to smooth out all the bumps and grinds.

HTH,

 
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To RedTailhawk from PXP: Sorry for the late response.

My Graphic card is a PCI express 2. The only problem with your sons excellent suggestions is that this card works absolutely perfectly with Poser 5 and Poser 6 its Poser 7 where I am experiencing problems. My machine does not support AGP cards as the technology has moved on and were into PCI express now. Thanks anyway.

Have you updated your drivers? I just updated my NVidia 5200 FX drivers today. Mine were from last March and a few other programs were crashing on me as well.

Also, are you running Internet Explorer 7?

the reason I ask is that I upgraded to IE7 on a machine with Norton Internet Security. There appears to be a conflict between those two apps that cause other programs to crash if the latter are CPU/memory intensive.

I removed IE 7 and no problems since then! There are threads on Google about this problem, if you want to check it out.

I have had few problems with Poser 7 - delete was slow but I've reduced the number of undos and that seems to have improved things. I agree with the posters above - it's a much better release than P5 or P6 were when they first came out.

Good luck
DD

PXP to LostinSpaceman & Digital Dreamer

Thanks for your suggestions. Yes I have the latest drivers for my card. No I do not use Internet Explorer.

I think that when Poser 7 SR1  becomes available  these problems will go away and for that reason I am continuing to use Poser 6 which has no problems whatsoever.

Its a P7 bug and I am certain they will sort it out.

Thanks PXP

I wonder if Poser 8 will come out next Christmas?

the only crash problems I had with P7 was when preview was using the OpenGL mode - shifted back to the other choice, and doesn't crash.  actually P7 is a lot faster & seems more stable than P6 on my machine.