Before somebody starts shooting me down let me say that this thread is asking people for their personal views.
I appreciate that its early days for V4 so I stand to be proven wrong with whatever I say here.  BUT, since her release, I honestly find the V4 character to be dull and boring.
In my opinion, the V4 characters that are currently on offer here at Rosity and on other sites do not improve V4.

Now I can hear what some of you folks are going to say to me, if you don't like V4 you don't have to use her (of course I don't, she fills a place if you need to use this character), and PXP you have no artistic talent otherwise you would be able to make something out of it; but that's my point, at present, and from what I have seen, the vendors are not coming up with anything great, and I am not blaming the vendors I believe its what V4 lacks. 

TRUE, the V4 morphs are better and there are other improvements over V3 but V4 doesn't have any charisma, as far as I am concerned she doesn't.

For one thing every time I see a V4 character, the head looks too big for the body and there's something always wrong about it. Ironically V4 seems to be very sterotyped because whatever is done with the face still has that same underlying V4 lifeless look.

Now please don't throw bricks at me but show me something you have seen or created with V4 that truly warrants a five star+ rating and gives this character true charisma and I will be very happy to take back everything that I have said about it, even buy it!!!

Are you looking to build an army of peasants with torches and pitchforks?  What's your goal?  Don't like her, don't buy her

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Hm,everybody has his likes and dislikes.When I first opened V3 I knew imidiatly I don't like her.Now after years of various morphpacks I was totally fed up.As you think of V4's head is too big , I have allways thought V3's head is to small.She looks too much like a 1,90m Amazon to me.So I am glad V4 is out now ,allthough I admitt V3's mapping was a lot better.V4 is a beauty right out of the box and easy to morph.Personally I don't want to see any V3 stuff ever again.I would be happy if there was a tool that converts V3 stuff to V4.---Yes,the eyes are too big ,but that is easy to fix via morphforms.---cheers

First off, the blank look is something you as an artist need to correct. It is not up to the merchant to provide a personality. Facial expressions, poses, etc will go a long way to fixing this.

Two, It's a modificationof the "don't like, don't buy..."

You are not limited to what the merchants are producing. If you have the Morphs for v4, experiment! Find something you like and do with it. I am doing that currently with the V4 character I'm working on for personal use. That is the beauty of such products, you are only limited by your imagination.

Please keep in mind this is only a WIP image.

Nothing anybody shows you or says to you will probably change your mind.
I'm not going to "sell" her to you with an image. Either you love her or hate her.
Everyone has their personal taste for "charisma". I find alot of actors or singers that other's rave about have absolutely no appeal to me what-so-ever, same goes with 3D figures, and no matter how good an image is with it, I won't run out and grab the figure used.

So, what would be the point of another "V4, what's good/bad about her" opinion thread?

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I love her too.  Charisma is more a personality trait.  That would be how she expresses herself and since she can't - you - the artist - have to use the dials you have to make that happen.  Have you tried any of the smile dials?  Some of the most digital smiles I have seen use those dials as they move all the right facial elements and not just the mouth.  I think her head is more in proportion to a real womans head and V3's was like a pin head on top of a foot ball players with horrible arms and shoulders.  I will say a couple of things about V4 I don't like and I'm hoping that DAZ is paying attention to the feedback.  Her shoulders when arms are bent all the way up or forward .... well the mesh rips up.  It's not a clean nor convincing bend.  The eyebrows for all the morphs they have are really limited.  I have created 4 characters so far using Vittorio and incorporating V4's head morphs into the mix and find the eyebrows, for the most part, all look the same to me in the expression category.   There are like 4 solid dials and a bunch of L & R variation dials.  Now for some that's fine but there are missing tweaks that I hope are made available.  I've mentioned this to Vittorio's author and he's looking into it, so perhaps there is hope for this area.  Other than those to niggles I am very very happy with V4.  She's got charm and grace right out of the box.  That's saying allot coming from me considering I preferred Aiko but then she needed to be really tweaked up face wise to get her to look right as I'm not into Anime. 

V4 lacks charisma?  I don't think so, not in my opinion!!

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Quote - First off, the blank look is something you as an artist need to correct. It is not up to the merchant to provide a personality. Facial expressions, poses, etc will go a long way to fixing this.

You know what, I guess I am becoming a snob or something, but I see soooooo many complaints that boil down to "I want to buy canned stuff and have it look awesome without touching anything".  I honestly would just as soon V4 had a face like a cueball, the default face is something I would simply never use for any purpose.

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The same things you are saying now were said by others for V3, V2, etc.  

When a new model is released there is a limited number of add-ons for it, such as textures, custom character morphs, etc.   No matter how many morphs you manipulate on a model if 100 people are all using the same texture in 100 renders, you're bound to find similarities.   I'd say give it time and you'll begin to see how different she can look.  

As for that lifeless look, it's up to the artist to make use of the tools available to change that.  V4 has, IMO, the best expression morphs of all the DAZ characters so far.  I like the her porportions, not like pinhead V3 - I always used to scale her head to 104-105%.  But I don't like her eyes and tend to scale those down - if everyone used all meshes as they are it would truly be boring, so don't be afraid of modifying according to your own tastes.

Here are a couple of examples how the standard textures that come with V4 can be changed to give her a different look.  I've added other eyebrows on the texture itself and a blush layer in the material room.   Not that I believe these warrant a five star+ rating but they do portray her a bit differently from what you might see out-of-the-box.

Ultimately, the choice will be yours if you NEED or WANT another female model.   I can never resist the new and usually get almost all human/toon meshes :)  And, hey, I'm not getting any percentage so I really have no vested interest in persuading you to buy :D

Oh, and please click on the image, these boards really do make a mess of compressing.

You are not alone Pjz. There is one problem with a lot of the questions today. There are a number of people looking for that infamous "Make Art" button.

It doesn't exist.

Quote - You are not alone Pjz. There is one problem with a lot of the questions today. There are a number of people looking for that infamous "Make Art" button.

It doesn't exist.

I have one. It's included in "Wardrobe Wizard", and it works fine.....
if it is just "ART" what you want.

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I know this is going to sound stupid but V4 looks really CGI'ish to me, :P
I think it is the eyes...I am not talking morph packs or anything just the Daz3D renders

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The DAZ renders frankly don't do V4 much justice (half of them have big nostril glow like she has a light bulb jammed up her nose)

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I have to admit, at first glances I was not entirely impressed with V4.  Mostly due to the fact, getting the package, the only texture in there was low res.  This miffed me, it was given as a gift to me for christmas and I thought the bundle should have come with more.  I admit, this probably tainted my view.

I have yet to put out a render of her, and with good reason.  I am still seeing what she is capable of.   Its slightly harsh to judge a figure when renders are coming out within days/weeks of her release.  People are still learning what is capable, so to judge on test renders and playing around ones really isn't fair to the figure.

Again, simply why I havent posted anything with her yet.   Now, after toying with her a while, i do see there IS much more than meets the eye.  Yes the head is big, thats why there's a dial for HEAD SIZE. LOL.  I still do not like the concave rib action, though I wont totally go off on that yet as I'm sure somewhere in the dials I can correct it.  So far, no luck.  Though I tried a "pregnant" figure, I've been pregnant myself twice, no woman is pregnant with ribs sticking out lol.

Dead eyes, blank expressions, those are in the user, not the figure.  The same "blankness" could be attributed to ALL poser figures.  Give her some time, she'll come around no doubt.

V4 is now a part of my poser "arsenal", I do not, nor will I ever, rely too heavily on any one figure, they all have their good points, and bad.

Get real. Does Vicky 3 - in all her putrid pink, department store mannequin look have charisma? None of the Vicky or Poser models have it. It all depends on the texture, morphs and so on that you use. Then lighting, composition and so on. It's not the tool - it's how you use it, LOL! As my hubby says.......

One thing I've noticed, at least to me, is Daz has combined a lot of similar functionality from V3NG and William the Bloody's Poser Magic. If you haven't used either package you wouldn't notice it.

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No one saiud it as good as Spanki in that other thread: with V4 you can, and have to do it all yourself because it's a blank (but very versatile!) mesh. Other meshes show more "character" but are more difficult to make into something completely different. Sidney is always Sidney, Miki is always Miki. If that's your liking, then that's ok. If you don't like V4, then search, or create, your own.

Heh. For that matter, the 3ds max box primitive doesn't have any charisma either, but, man, you should see the things people turn it into.

Oh wait, you have seen...just don't realize it...

Ishtar sez, "Charisma, Schmarizma."

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PXP,

I too am not here to convince you either way.  I let the creators and coders and marketeers say it all.  Since the release of Sydney and V4 at relatively the same time, V4 has greatly outnumbered the amount of items available to her.  Does that make her a better figure?  Abosultely not, in fact I would say that many of the skins and charachters currently available for V4 are  in my eyes, ugly.  Do I question their uselfulness, no.  I simply chose not to but them.  You say V4 lacks charimsa, I say you are misinformed.  No matter what character you chose, it's up to you the artist to breath life into her.  Do you take a lump of clay, place it on the wheel and comlain that it did not shape into a vase, no, you become the creator and make it what you wish.  Take V4, look into your creative nature, and I am sure you can create that special expression.

Quote - Heh. For that matter, the 3ds max box primitive doesn't have any charisma either, but, man, you should see the things people turn it into.

Oh wait, you have seen...just don't realize it...

Very true. A square doesn't look like a shoe, or human, but can be made to do so with a 3d program, piece of marble, etc.

Here is a custom morph I created for V4. You can still download it for a couple of says at Faeries Wylde if you have the V4 base character - you don't need the version with morphs.

I have to agree with most here. I'm glad charisma is lacking from the base model...it means that you will be able to add features to add your own charisma. I had never purchased a Victoria model (although took advantage of the free offers from DAZ), because it didn't seem to matter what somebody did, it always looked like a Victoria model. V4 changed my habit of a lifetime and I purchased her...and you know what, you can pretty much put your own stamp on her without it looking like the base model.

Now, your post brings up another point...and probably half the reason why Poser is frowned upon generally. Poser artists are often seen as lazy or unskilled (I know this isn't true, because we have all seen some amazing works by different artists), but I see no reason why you can't give this model charisma and character with just a little bit of time of dial turning etc.  Hell, if there isn't even a pose you require, then why not spend the time creating it in Poser or D/S and learn something...it isn't exactly rocket science.

If V4 isn't for you, don't buy it. Stay with what you are happy with, but don't purchase just because it's the latest thing.

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"Sidney is always Sidney".   I don't agree with that.   Sydney looks much more versatile than V4 to me (and I have never had much time for the internal Poser characters before Poser 7).

> Quote - The same things you are saying now were said by others for V3, V2, etc.

I agree with Kalypso, each new generation of Victoria has brought exactly the same complaints.  V4 has only just been released, there isn't even a decent set of "everyday" clothes available yet.  It takes time for artists to build products like morphs, texture sets and clothes.

If you render a NV4IATWAS out-of-the-box with Poser's default lighting setup (which, btw I think is an awful, awful setup that they should have fixed back in version 5) then yes, she's going to look ugly and lacking charisma.  But if you spend some time with the morph dials, get a decent texture,  maybe even take the time to put some clothes on her, and most importantly light her well, then you'll get something that shows her potential.

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V4 is the best!  Much more realistic than V3.  Better posing.

Oh, I wouldn't say "no charisma".  I've been using and loving AGentleMuse's Zinnia and Sassia...  They are very playful and cute, IMO!

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From PXP. In reply to some of the things said here (some people have made some really useful and intelligent remarks).

What I should have said in the first place is that I am not an artist at least not in the field of 'Art' I have my strengths in other artistic fields.

Remarks such as 'You dont have to buy it!" is nonsense to me because so far I have not bought anything that uses V4 simply because I have not  yet seen anything that is leaps better than current V3 products and there are some amazing products out there for V3 contrary to what some people think or say and by the way, I have a huge library of V3 products already so please don't tell me to go and buy V3 stuff - what you should be saying is PXP I want you to buy my creation. If its that good I will buy V4 and your product too.

I am to you artist's the object for your reason for using V4 and spending time and effort making saleable products for it. I am your buyer. So listen up its coming from the horses mouth. I can only go by what I see. The textures for V4 at present are not exactly wonderful they are not realistic to me, the characters are not exactly convincing to me, infact they all look very similar to one another. Does this motivate you to be creative? If your not using V4 to make saleable products then there is little point reading this thread. What I want to see are really stunning V4 creations that I can use with my creations. I am not a gifted artist. who can make tremendous textures etc.

I am fully aware that its early days for V4 thats why I am prepared to wait and see what comes along and be proven wrong about V4 so prove it to me and I'll buy it. Now isn't that a lot better than saying 'Don't buy it!
 
There's suppose to be another morph package for V4 in the pipeline so who knows maybe that will make a big difference.

In my opinion i think she looks great,no not great ,shes very beautiful out of the box, but we provide the personality and beauty or dark side. She looks very Human, unlike what e-fronter provides, i am not a fan of any of there models.

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Spoken like someone that is highly unfamiliar with the technical flaws in V3.

The problem is you are making judgement calls without owning the product a) and be expecting everyone else to make up your mind for you. You want to take the easy way out and expect the perfect model out of the package...

Not gonna happen. You need to make up your mind yourself.

Quote - and there are some amazing products out there for V3 contrary to what some people think or say and by the way, I have a huge library of V3 products already

sounds to me like you have nothing to discuss, why are you posting this?  enjoy your large collection of stuff you like, and do not buy what you don't like.  can't understand what you're trying to accomplish by starting and maintaining such a thread.

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Quote - From PXP. In reply to some of the things said here (some people have made some really useful and intelligent remarks).

What I should have said in the first place is that I am not an artist at least not in the field of 'Art' I have my strengths in other artistic fields.

Remarks such as 'You dont have to buy it!" is nonsense to me because so far I have not bought anything that uses V4 simply because I have not  yet seen anything that is leaps better than current V3 products and there are some amazing products out there for V3 contrary to what some people think or say and by the way, I have a huge library of V3 products already so please don't tell me to go and buy V3 stuff - what you should be saying is PXP I want you to buy my creation. If its that good I will buy V4 and your product too.

I am to you artist's the object for your reason for using V4 and spending time and effort making saleable products for it. I am your buyer. So listen up its coming from the horses mouth. I can only go by what I see. The textures for V4 at present are not exactly wonderful they are not realistic to me, the characters are not exactly convincing to me, infact they all look very similar to one another. Does this motivate you to be creative? If your not using V4 to make saleable products then there is little point reading this thread. What I want to see are really stunning V4 creations that I can use with my creations. I am not a gifted artist. who can make tremendous textures etc.

I am fully aware that its early days for V4 thats why I am prepared to wait and see what comes along and be proven wrong about V4 so prove it to me and I'll buy it. Now isn't that a lot better than saying 'Don't buy it!
 
There's suppose to be another morph package for V4 in the pipeline so who knows maybe that will make a big difference.

I think some content providers might be having to create, or modify the magnet system to fit their characters. With a character like GND2, or Kielo that would probably be needed.
If you listed a few of your favourite content creators for V3, favourite characters/products, favourite genre's of art, a link to the sort of charisma you enjoy with V3, and find lacking in V4; someone could point you in the direction of such a profuct. I'm not really sure what you want to use her for, but from what I gather I don't believe there is such a product for V4 yet. Sorry I can't be of more help.

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pjz99,
it is called a discussion...something to hash out a choice and information. something a "box" cant give you. why do you persist in taking any insult to v4 so personally?

frankly, the "look" is up to the artist. but if you dont have a morph altering program to create your own morphs then it gets hard to tweek out a face sometimes.
that is not saying a person is lacking in skill as an artist.
frankly I am glad that the purchasability of the product is not left up to the "selling" of some people that answer these threads, those that give "answers and attitude" to those that have questions or slight negative views of the new model.
yes all new models go through the "gripe and groan" phase. (most new things in life do)

but some are just asking simple things of people that are actually using v4. they want to know ease of use and such..just like anyone would ask "hey I see you have that new ground breaking car..how does it drive? does it handle well?" doesnt mean they arent good drivers..or anything else.
it is just a matter of wishing input from actual experience.

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Quote - pjz99,
it is called a discussion...something to hash out a choice and information. something a "box" cant give you. why do you persist in taking any insult to v4 so personally?

 

Are you guys in a club?  Do you think the original poster feels threatened by me or something?  Do you think he needs your help?  You two have both started very silly and incomprehensible threads that boil down to "someone give me a neato canned character that is just what I want".  Do you think that the merchants out there that make character packs are not eager to sell you some canned character that will be exactly what you want?  Do you think they'll work faster if you post more of these, or slower if you do not?  They're not morons, that's how they make their money. Threads like these would be just as likely to discourage someone from making V4 content, because you so clearly dislike the figure and feel compelled to post a lot about how much you dislike the figure - why is a merchant going to cater to you, when you say you're not going to buy V4?  Complaints of this type are the last thing they're going to listen to, any sane businessperson would prefer to make the easy sale rather than bend over for some one-off please-me request.

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She looks good, but something is wrong with V4 and I don't know what it is.
Until now I didn't found any render of V4 that I liked, yes I know that is a very new character and much work will be done.
V3 I liked her from the first moment, V1/V2 I never used because I found her very ugly and Posette had her charm.
It can be only a question of taste, a lot of people talk very good about Miki, but I find her nothing atractive.

Stupidity also evolves!

Out of curiosity what one was it you liked?

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pjz99 frankly you keep saying " if you don't like her don't buy her" if you don't like these threads don't read them. you come in bashing snotting and generally acting rather rude. no one needs it. apparently "us two" aren't the only ones asking questions. if you don't like it..dont participate.
you are one amazingly rude and insulting person that is for sure.
also, no one is asking for a canned creation. trust me I do not need a "instant art button".
and I doubt others that have expressed similar dislike for her looks do either.

to those that come to these threads and actually give credible input and help out those with questions. a huge thank you. I know I appreciate it and I am sure the author of this thread does too.

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Quote - She looks good, but something is wrong with V4 and I don't know what it is.
Until now I didn't found any render of V4 that I liked, yes I know that is a very new character and much work will be done.
V3 I liked her from the first moment, V1/V2 I never used because I found her very ugly and Posette had her charm.
It can be only a question of taste, a lot of people talk very good about Miki, but I find her nothing atractive.

 

I agree, from what I have seen in galleries, v4 moves -very- well. but something about her face. her eyes? her face? yet so many here cant put a finger on it lol.
v3 took abit to get use to, but she was great for morphing out individual looks. (though I adore aiko more lol) yes you had to do allot of joint fixes in post work but...she had a look that was nice. 
Id say get v4 while her bundle is nicely priced. and wait it out. I am sure there will be more out for her soon. (muscle morphs etc)if not..tuck her away till there is something that softens her. lol. 

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Quote - pjz99 frankly you keep saying " if you don't like her don't buy her" if you don't like these threads don't read them. you come in bashing snotting and generally acting rather rude. no one needs it. apparently "us two" aren't the only ones asking questions. if you don't like it..dont participate.

 

Either you have vision problems, or reading comprehension problems, or some combination of the two.  If you think I've been rude, I encourage you to report my behavior to the moderator team, who will be very well prepared to straighten me out.

You asked for input - I gave you input (gave you in particular many screenshots) - you do not like the input - so that makes me rude?

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To pjz99 from PXP:
I never thought for one moment that this thread would become such a heated debate. I am really very open to seeing/hearing what is going to be available for V4 and what's in the pipeline, and as far as I am concerned the best people to ask are the artists and the merchants.

At present I am holding back buying V4 because I have not yet seen anything that I like for V4 or V4 in general. So far V4 looks the same to me but its early days and I said that.

I have to rely on what great artists do with this character I simply do not have the gift of creating amazing textures for it. This does not mean I will never change my mind about V4 I am not anti V4 I simply expressed a personal view as I see it at this time and V4 does nothing for me yet.

pjz99 you are really sold on V4 and thats Ok. I'm not putting you down or saying something negative to you or making rebuffs.. "If you don't like don't buy it..." and if you read my opening thread I even predicted people would have views such as this. If you have artistic ability I will encourage you to show the community what you can do and who knows I might buy one of your products so a little tact goes a long way.

I made a personal remark about V4 with the proviso that I stand to be proven wrong in my judgement. When I said that  she does not have any 'Charisma' is was a subjective remark and I wanted to know what others think because with enough people expressing particular views we can get DAZ to improve on it and then we all know what everyone expects and wants. Isn't the Poser forum about raising questions about Poser products, seeking help and inviting good debate?

Quote - > Quote - pjz99 frankly you keep saying " if you don't like her don't buy her" if you don't like these threads don't read them. you come in bashing snotting and generally acting rather rude. no one needs it. apparently "us two" aren't the only ones asking questions. if you don't like it..dont participate.

 

Either you have vision problems, or reading comprehension problems, or some combination of the two.  If you think I've been rude, I encourage you to report my behavior to the moderator team, who will be very well prepared to straighten me out.

You asked for input - I gave you input (gave you in particular many screenshots) - you do not like the input - so that makes me rude?

 
no you are rude because you are beligerant and apparently personally afronted by any negative word against v4. you insult anyone that has a view of v4 that isnt your rose colored one. your approach is rude. 
-that- is why you are rude.
you refuse to allow a discussion go about anything do to with a negative point about v4 without jumping in and insulting people..-that- makes you rude.
to take a page from your book. by all means, please, if these threads are so silly and unimportant  -dont read them-. then you wont have an issue with a group of us that like to debate such matters.

Quote - To pjz99 from PXP:
I never thought for one moment that this thread would become such a heated debate. I am really very open to seeing/hearing what is going to be available for V4 and what's in the pipeline, and as far as I am concerned the best people to ask are the artists and the merchants.

At present I am holding back buying V4 because I have not yet seen anything that I like for V4 or V4 in general. So far V4 looks the same to me but its early days and I said that.

I have to rely on what great artists do with this character I simply do not have the gift of creating amazing textures for it. This does not mean I will never change my mind about V4 I am not anti V4 I simply expressed a personal view as I see it at this time and V4 does nothing for me yet.

pjz99 you are really sold on V4 and thats Ok. I'm not putting you down or saying something negative to you or making rebuffs.. "If you don't like don't buy it..." and if you read my opening thread I even predicted people would have views such as this. If you have artistic ability I will encourage you to show the community what you can do and who knows I might buy one of your products so a little tact goes a long way.

I made a personal remark about V4 with the proviso that I stand to be proven wrong in my judgement. When I said that  she does not have any 'Charisma' is was a subjective remark and I wanted to know what others think because with enough people expressing particular views we can get DAZ to improve on it and then we all know what everyone expects and wants. Isn't the Poser forum about raising questions about Poser products, seeking help and inviting good debate?

 
very well put. 
if enough people go " hmm something is just..not right with her face..." the imput helps promote growth of a product. 

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Wow, you two sure put me in my place.  I'll have you know, I'm turning over a new leaf.  Today!

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pjz99 said: "....Wow, you two sure put me in my place.  I'll have you know, I'm turning over a new leaf.  Today!"

PXP to pjz99: As far as I am concerned it's water under the bridge and no offence has been taken. Please get on with creating something amazing for V4.

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I'll say that I wasn't sure about V4 but I grabbed the base when it was made available to PC members. Mainly because I do a lot of beta and promo work for some of the merchants and knew she would be needed eventually. I then decided I would need the morphs as well and got those while they were still on sale, along with the Trousseau outfit.

So, I spent some time working with her and I've come to like her potential. Here is a thumb of my first WIP render of her and I think she looks very pretty. And that is using a free morph for her.

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I like her a lot, I wish there were more ethnic morphs available! :)

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That;s a gorgeous face moprh, Porthos!

I think that finally it's not a contest between Sidney and V4. Both have their rights of existing and it's really unfortunate that Sidney only comes with P7. Which I won't buy. If Sidney were available separately and for a normal price, I'd certainly get her also.

I have always like the models to look like people I know not  Amazons, Muscle freaks,grapefuit breast people. These  are fine for fantasy renders and strip club scenes. But I like the women to have slightly less that aperfect figure with  natural looking breast a maybe a bit of body flab. Kalyposo's  pic is great , that is a great imitaion of life  When I first got V4 plain, I was not impressed. But after I morphed a few areas and applied a good commercial Hires texture I was totally amazed at the results. Apparently this model was designed  to do just that.... She takes morphes very well..Gone  from a high fashion model to the girl next door She has moved to number 1 on my list of favorites!!!

Thanks drifterlee! :)

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Fom what I've seen of V4, the problem is the eyes--they're just too doll-like. I get they tried to make them more luminous or something, but I think the overdid it, and they don't look natural, which is a problem, since the eyes are always the first place you look when you look at a person. --Tim PS: Porthos: what is the hair prop you have for your thumbnail icon???

Sorry, everyone, but this is basically just a reply to Gongyla and it's not even about V4, on the whole.

I suppose E-frontier's logic is that Sydney has face room support, in Poser 7 only.   There are good morph packs for Sydney out there already, though, so they may be missing a trick by not making Sydney separately available.

The integral Poser- people have generally tended to look like the characters who ended up on the wrong end of the sharp, pointy bit of wood in "Buffy the Vampire-Slayer", so I doubt whether many Poser 7 buyers have made the purchase for the sake of the content.   Because Sydney is such a major improvement, however, selling her separately and using her as a reason to buy Poser 7 might have been a clever thing to do.

OK, little bit for the VVVVophiles...
   In the Marketplace, you can find "the usual suspects" selling extremely well-crafted textures, as they have earlier for V3 and Aiko, definitely worth buying as they are.   The difference now is that most of the V4 morphs (and you do pay for those, too, even if you don't use them) seem to look pretty much the same, even from merchants who never seemed to have much trouble contriving original morphs for other characters.   If V4 committed a murder, even an eye-witness wouldn't be much use:  "Well, officer, she had blobby features, a bit like a much younger and female version of Bill Clinton.  Oh, and she had size-XXXXXXL eyes.   Does that help?".

*"A riot is an ugly think. Und I think it's just about time dat ve had vun!"- the Inspector, Young Frankenstein..;)

*I'm sure someone's hard at work making a dial called 'charisma' for the basic mesh. Just make sure the limits are set high enough..;)

honestly, the beastie's still less than a month old. In time, all the tools and widgets will be available.

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)

I've only had v4 complete for about 2 days now, and I like her alot, she has a more youthful look to her, like a woman in her mid twenties, rather than v3 who looked early to mid thirties.

Her face and features are alot smoother than v3, less defined which I think is that people are picking up on. as said before this is because v4 is more geared towards morphing than v3, which is of course a good thing.

I really like the youthful look, and the shaders you get out of the box in p6 are quite good, especially for those who are not too up on the material room. the eyes leave alot to be disired, in the way they are configured out of the box, they have WAY too much ambient light in them, making them look fake and out of place, I am unfortunately finding this out in my first full scale render with v4 which is now in its 5th hour of rendering. looks like I will need to re-render her eyes with my own setup.

I still await a new "Nova" morph that becomes my staple morph like that of Nova for V3 seen in 80% of my renderings past.

all in all, v4 is a great leap forward IMO

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You can put a little age on her too if you like.
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1344750

The gliterry eyes are pretty easy to fix, just go to EyeSurface in the materials room and find the Anisotropic node (connected to Alternate Specular) and tone down the numbers a little bit.

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Quote - You can put a little age on her too if you like.
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1344750

The gliterry eyes are pretty easy to fix, just go to EyeSurface in the materials room and find the Anisotropic node (connected to Alternate Specular) and tone down the numbers a little bit.

GREAT RENDER/CHAR! I do love women who are in the realm of the mature matriarch! 30+ is the age of  ascension In my opinion!

On topic: I believe that the reason that the eyes looks so lifeless, is the shape of the iris! Whereas V3 had morphable concave eyes, V4 doesn't! At least in the extent of V3's!

A quick solution is to morph V3's eyes accordingly, and simply save them as a prop, or an obj, reload, and fit for v4!

I love the morphing and joints of this char!!

takezo3001 is a perfect example of my point...

Experiment.

I don't really like her either and I can't put my finger on why I don't like her. (Yes, I have her.)
One gripe - MAJOR gripe - I have is the complete lack of individual muscularity morphs in the "Morphs++" pack.
Another - cosmetic - gripe I have is the asinine naming of the morphs.
"Samantha" "Becky" "Emma" Full char Presets - fine. Each one is awful. Now can I get rid of those?
"Eva" "Maria" "Brigette" "Monique" Full Head presets - YUCK
WTF do I need an "Eva" Preset for in the Mouth section? Give me a goddamn description. I don't know what kind of mouth shape "Eva" or "Kerstin" is supposed to be. That's just idiotic.
If you tell me "Pouty" at least it gives me an idea of what I can expect, but "Eva" means nothing to me. THAT is what I object to.
Daz seems to think I want to use "0.5 Eva, 0.2 Kerstin, 0.1 Maria" or some such rubbish, instead of "0.5 pouty, 0.2 wide, 0.1 full"?
Which gives you more of an idea of what to expect, and which to reduce if it's say... too pouty?

Silke

Yeah, the lack of limb-oriented muscle morphs is pretty annoying, especially when you see that per-limb muscle morphs were probably there at least at some point (many are built into the V4 clothing e.g. adductors).

Seems likely that the girl names thing was done for political correctness' sake, rather than one-size-fits-all "Asian" e.g..

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I for one am not going to rush out and buy V4, however the old argument of - is V4 better than V3 the honest answer is it really depends on who is using the programme. I have seen some amazing renders done with V2 and some god damn aweful ones done with V3 and visa versa. The Victoria series is like a brush, just having a slightly better brush does not make you a better artist. The one thing that I am pretty sure Daz will have done with V4 (I am sure you will shoot me down if I am wrong) but I am sure that Daz3D will have made V4 totally incompatable with V3 clothes, hair and so on (like they did on the V2-V3 swap). This means that if we go V4 in 6 months our massive V3 collections worth thousands of $ will be worthless (again) and we have to plough many more dollars into setting up our V4 collections. Why not keep the base model the same proportions to keep the model downwardly compatable... If I buy Poser 7 I am going to want to be able to open Poser 6 docs in it... same difference. The V4 model looks ok I guess, but I am not going to rush out and buy it just because she;s the new model on the block... Gonzo

Gonzo,

A simple $60 package is already in place that renders your arguement in regards to the clothing moot. PhilC 's Wardrobe Wizard is already setup for use with Victoria 4 and has been recompiled for Poser 7.

There are already several hair pieces that have fits for v4 already in place. 3Dream had free fits for his entire catalog released within 48hrs of release. AprilYSH has provided a free fit for he Sylphiad hair and Netherworks Studio has a complete fit system for v4 available for under $10.

Vendors already have the tools in place that takes those so called "wasted purchases" in clothing and hair, and makes them work with v4.

However, I do want to say that you do not have to switch over to Victoria 4 if you do not wish to. No one has to buy the model, there are plenty of Vendors out there still supporting V3.  I don't see her going away anytime soon.

I think V4 has plenty of charisma and I really love the expressions.  I really wish Daz hadn't put the limits on some of the dials, but I guess that could be seen as a challenge!  Here's 3 thumbnails I made using V4 and I think they are quite charimatic!  LOL

My idea of rebooting is kicking somebody in the butt twice!

Natolii:

Quote - AprilYSH has provided a free fit for he Sylphiad hair

Ooh, that's handy, thanks for the info.

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well, first render kinda-complete, I do like the look of v4 after just a few tweaks of some morphs and she really changes in appearance

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http://aprilsvanity.com/dlpage.php

Quote - Natolii:

Quote - AprilYSH has provided a free fit for he Sylphiad hair

Ooh, that's handy, thanks for the info.

One thing, I really dislike that curly hair that everyone seems to buy.  I'm sure a lot of work went into creating it, and it's got to be pretty damn hard to model and texture realistic curly hair, but that stuff looks like a bunch of confetti, very 2d.  Really does not do it for me, the stuff has no body to it.

Natolii thank you for the link, I was just fumbling around looking for that.

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the hair comes with v4 (well the complete pack) and therefore 90% of people will only have curly hair for v4 at the moment

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I do kind of agree with the OP, for right now.  I bought the V4 pro pack and have been fiddling around with it.  For anyone who's seen my gallery, I love to take facial morphs and dial them where they're not meant to go to get a specific look I want.  I find myself having a hard time right now doing that with V4.

But I know, in time, there will be more products/morphs/whathaveyou that you can shake a stick at.  So I have faith, but for now, I'm sticking to V3.

Shrug, I just wiggle V3 hairs onto her and they stay on reasonably OK - trick seems to be to have an intermediate skullcap thing to parent to the head without conforming, and then conform the hair to the skullcap.

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Natolii I actually did not know about the wardrobe wizard I've just had a look at it and it seems pretty essential to this 'upgrade' so thanks for that :) ... but I still think that if Daz had just a little loyalty to their previous customers they could have saved everyone a hell of a lot of converting and wiggling. Lets face it Daz is the Poser equivalent of Microsoft, it is possible get by without using their products, but sooner or later they're gonna get you and then you're their slave... forever (evil laugh). :p Gonzo

:p

There is also the V4 to V3 character included in the +++Morphs item

"... but I still think that if Daz had just a little loyalty to their previous customers they could have saved everyone a hell of a lot of converting and wiggling."

"There is also the V4 to V3 character included in the +++Morphs item"

So far the only thing that DAZ' "V4toV3" can do is to wear V3 clothing.
That's all.
No V3 textures and no body morphs whatsoever.
She can't even use custom face morphs made for standard V4.

:sad:

Now imagine a "V4toV3" that not only could wear V3 clothing, but also use V3 textures and use all of V3's bodymorphs so that custom made V3 characters like Kielo or GND2 would still work.
And that could use custom face morphs made for standard V4.

Maybe even add a slight joint/JCM morph update so that she bends like Laura/Luke or Aiko.
(Which could be easily reverted with a pose file when you use "old" clothes.)

All of that would have been pretty easy to do for DAZ.
Back then they even gave away a V2UV file so that you could convert standard V3 to use V2 textures.

Ask yourself, wouldn't such a figure been a lot more usefull to a lot more people ?   Perhaps even get more use than standard V4 ?
:rolleyes:

But of course it would have generated a lot less income for the Poserverse, wouldn't it ?

Honi soit qui mal y pense .

:tt2:  :blink:  :tt2:  :blink: :tt2:

Welp, that is what the V3 to V4 character is for... For raiding V3's closet. In fact, Chris did state as much...

Either way, Merchants are coming out with inexpensive v4 characters and textures (Art Collaboration for one)...

At the end of the day, Daz could have gone about this in a more customer frindly way... However they are running a business at the end of the day and in a matter of months V4 will be the new standard for poser female human models. In less than a year V3 will be living in the back reaches of the hard drive with all the other older models and we will all be singing the praises of V4 and worshipping at the shrine of Daz. (you may disagree but you know it is true) For what its worth curiosity actually got the better of me and I am gonna get me a V4... well it was gonna happen sooner or later I may as well ump on the bandwagon from the start. Gonzo

Quote - Heh. For that matter, the 3ds max box primitive doesn't have any charisma either, but, ....

No way!
That little teapot makes me weak at the knees every time I see it's nozzle sticking up!  ;) :P

V4 to V3... ?
Why would someone want to take V4 and make her into an exact copy exact texture mapping, exact morph sets as of V3... assuming they already have V3? Why not just use V3?
I'm scratching my head trying to figure out that one.

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Gonzo, there are actually several free outfits, morphs, clothing textures, hair & fits for V4 right now,
V4 Freebie Listing:
http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=50087

I suggest you pick these up soon! Some of the limited time ones are still available!

"Why would someone want to take V4 and make her into an exact copy exact texture mapping, exact morph sets as of V3... assuming they already have V3?"

Perhaps to make use of V4's improved expression morphs ?
(Although any of V4's "All New And Improved" expression morphs could have been easily created for V3, too, with equal result. See KIELO for example)

"Why not just use V3?"

Personally I will continue to use modified V3 and Laura meshes, because despite V4's additional 69 (!) magnets I'm still dissapointed with her bending abilities.
(Among a lot of other things)

But people will switch to V4 just because everybody does.
Especially the top merchants.

V4 does have some improvements over V3, but so have AIKO and Laura.
I'm just thinking that completely breaking backwards compitability with V3 was more of a marketing than a technical decision.

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Quote - Personally I will continue to use modified V3 and Laura meshes, because despite V4's additional 69 (!) magnets I'm still dissapointed with her bending abilities.
(Among a lot of other things)

But people will switch to V4 just because everybody does.
Especially the top merchants.

V4 does have some improvements over V3, but so have AIKO and Laura.
I'm just thinking that completely breaking backwards compitability with V3 was more of a marketing than a technical decision.

:biggrin:

Yeah, that is kind of what I was thinking.
I haven't had a chance to try V4 yet myself. What I've seen so far from other people's renders, I don't see really drastic improvement in facial expressions just yet. Then again, it seems to me that in V3, her facial expressions went largely unexploited.

Aside from a pure marketing point of view, I've been wondering why people like Ayery Soul or Blackhearted or few of the other 3D elites whom obviously have superb poser and 3D skills don't come up with a completely independent mesh of their own...

Second thought, even with the very popular V3 base, there's so many variations in morphs, that the clothes fitting is sort of a PIA. I wonder how much market they would really lose by an independent base mesh...

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Quote - I haven't had a chance to try V4 yet myself. What I've seen so far from other people's renders, I don't see really drastic improvement in facial expressions just yet.

Honestly, looking through the gallery, it's pretty rare to see much expression on ANY model.  Characters posed and post-worked to the point they're about to pop out of their skin, but with smooth brows and cheeks and flat mouths.

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Quote - > Quote - I haven't had a chance to try V4 yet myself. What I've seen so far from other people's renders, I don't see really drastic improvement in facial expressions just yet.

Honestly, looking through the gallery, it's pretty rare to see much expression on ANY model.  Characters posed and post-worked to the point they're about to pop out of their skin, but with smooth brows and cheeks and flat mouths.

Exactly! That's just why I'm wondering if improved facial expressions would be a very compelling reason for a good number of people to want to use V4... when what's available now with V3 is under-exploited.

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I think I'll still make a hybrid using the V4 head, and the V3 body, even though I like V4. It's nice to have the V3 body morphs.

At first I didn't care for V4 much but the doll is now growing on me. I really do dislike the eyes, they are very flat even with a great texture, love how the morphs work!!!!!! but I wish there were more more more!  I'm looking forward to seeing what is developed for her.  A face by just dialing.

Quote - I do kind of agree with the OP, for right now.  I bought the V4 pro pack and have been fiddling around with it.  For anyone who's seen my gallery, I love to take facial morphs and dial them where they're not meant to go to get a specific look I want.  I find myself having a hard time right now doing that with V4.

But I know, in time, there will be more products/morphs/whathaveyou that you can shake a stick at.  So I have faith, but for now, I'm sticking to V3.

I found out that if you go to that seperate morph, and go into it's Paremeter settings you can change the min/max for those pesky V4 settings!

Attached Link: Example

I like her, but I dunno why my renders are coming out so shiny. @_@

I can understand about the complaints on how Daz packaged the Complete pack versus the Pro Pack and the separation of the Hi-res and wet skin textures. I can also understand the complaints about the lack of individual muscle morphs vs. universal "toned" muscle morphs.

However, I cannot agree with the complaints that V4 lacks charisma. All the millenium figures lack charisma...that is until you as an artist, (advanced or novice), add your creativity to the figure. I mean, that is why we have these 3D programs...to use our creativity. Now, there are vendors that make great characters and textures while some other vendors lack any "real skill". The quality curve is quite large.

V4 is really new and as a new character, the higher, more exotice characters, textures, and morphs will come with time as there are only a few really food ones out there now. Even that being said, you can STILL get the most out of V4 with just the stuff that has come from the Daz website.

Here, I used the Hi-res skin plus the standard 'Grace' head morph and skull cap, and the standard bikini basics...HDRI lighting (which can be used on ANY character, figure, scene, etc in poser) plus a slight photoshop blur and overlay and I can get great results! You really have more QUALITY controls with V4 than with any of the pervious versions.

Here's a close up:

Good stuff Fumanshoo...

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I honestly find the V4 character to be dull and boring. 

Couldn't agree with you more and to be honest, all off the renders people show here in this thread (and many others) totally confirm this. V4 is very versatile for sure and probably the most versatile figure there is for D/S and Poser, but still she's very dull and boring.

She's completely missing what V1, V2 and even V3 to an extend do have, allure! The V's renders would blow off your socks at times, but that's completely lacking with V4. She's gone the route off all of the the post-M3/V3 figures. They have something new, but they lack big time at the same time. V4 just doesn't convince, she just doesn't have that what the old V's posses.

I still call her the ultimate barbie doll. Even when people attempt realistic renders she still has the barbie doll looks about here (even if she's fat). I've seen some stunning Sidney renders and up to this day I've seen nothing like it from V4. I'm not saying Sydney is better, she has the problem all of EF's figures do have, she alway will be Sydney. But still people can create some very convincing renders with her. Not so with V4, she lacks something big time.

To me V4 is looking like this..... she isn't finished at all, but since DAZ has promised her a long time ago they had to go with what they have. But she wasn't what they predicted her to be. When DAZ presented her at first and I looked at the promotional renders they have in their store, I said to myself: "This is what all of the hype is about? This fake looking badly rendered 3D barbie doll?"

She's lacking big time and DAZ knows it, that's why they give her away for free to pc members. Most of those people are loyal to DAZ and how can you say something bad about something you gained from your favourite 3D store for free? If she was really this great looking, convincing, leaving the competition miles behind, ultimate 3D figure for Poser and D/S then DAZ would have given it away for free.

I just love the way DAZ promotes here *The most widely supported 3D figure on the planet, Victoria, has received an incredible make-over. Victoria is back with greater realism

*If we all are truly honest and look at the promotion picturesDAZ shows with this greater realism incredible made over Victoria we all would agree that she doesn't look better at all and is very far from being realistic.

For me V4 belongs in same category where Posette and Dork are (the P4 female and male). If you do enough effort they may look reasonable, but people will always see that they're 3D figure, fake humans, just plain old 3D barbie dolls. And that's all V4 is good for and all of your renders are confirming that, but that's hard to admit, that's wy we see people becoming rude, attacking or getting off topic in this thread.

I can understand that. A lot of people have been hyped to the max, waiting so long for her, being convinced she would be the ultimate 3D figure and the truth isn't like that at all. She's very dissapointing, she's hype and that's hard to swallow. In the end DAZ didn't deliver and even I'm suprised by that. Even though I'm not a DAZ lover at all, they always have stood for quality and decent figures, but they sure have broken the trend with V4. I'm very suprised by that, I expected something mind blowing from all the fuzz DAZ made about here this last year and then she turns out to be very dissapointing, not the usual stunning decent DAZ quality.

I'm all for some how combining Sydney and V4 and then you'll have the best of the best.

So DAZ, you better drop the tagline 'The Best Just Got Better!' because she didn't. Even I will admit that V3 is the queen of Poserland and has ruled it for years, with no one being worthy enough to wear her crown and with the coming of V4 nothing has changes. V4 isn't worthy of being queen at all and has not earned the right to be called better then the best. She may rule Poserland one day, but at this moment she doesn't deverve to rule and she's not worth the investment needed to make here as good as V3.

So, were still waiting for a new queen and in all of the renders you guys have shown in this thread, V4 still looks like a barbie doll, not fit to be queen!

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I ain't looking for realism. The stuff I do delves into Dungeon & Dragons and other such RPGS.

Frankly, The lighting used plays a big role in the realism department. But hey, I'm looking for Demons and Dark Elves not pinups and supermodels.

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Quote - I honestly find the V4 character to be dull and boring. 

Couldn't agree with you more and to be honest, all off the renders people show here in this thread (and many others) totally confirm this. V4 is very versatile for sure and probably the most versatile figure there is for D/S and Poser, but still she's very dull and boring.

She's completely missing what V1, V2 and even V3 to an extend do have, allure! The V's renders would blow off your socks at times, but that's completely lacking with V4. She's gone the route off all of the the post-M3/V3 figures. They have something new, but they lack big time at the same time. V4 just doesn't convince, she just doesn't have that what the old V's posses.

I still call her the ultimate barbie doll. Even when people attempt realistic renders she still has the barbie doll looks about here (even if she's fat). I've seen some stunning Sidney renders and up to this day I've seen nothing like it from V4. I'm not saying Sydney is better, she has the problem all of EF's figures do have, she alway will be Sydney. But still people can create some very convincing renders with her. Not so with V4, she lacks something big time.

To me V4 is looking like this..... she isn't finished at all, but since DAZ has promised her a long time ago they had to go with what they have. But she wasn't what they predicted her to be. When DAZ presented her at first and I looked at the promotional renders they have in their store, I said to myself: "This is what all of the hype is about? This fake looking badly rendered 3D barbie doll?"

She's lacking big time and DAZ knows it, that's why they give her away for free to pc members. Most of those people are loyal to DAZ and how can you say something bad about something you gained from your favourite 3D store for free? If she was really this great looking, convincing, leaving the competition miles behind, ultimate 3D figure for Poser and D/S then DAZ would have given it away for free.

I just love the way DAZ promotes here *The most widely supported 3D figure on the planet, Victoria, has received an incredible make-over. Victoria is back with greater realism

*If we all are truly honest and look at the promotion picturesDAZ shows with this greater realism incredible made over Victoria we all would agree that she doesn't look better at all and is very far from being realistic.

For me V4 belongs in same category where Posette and Dork are (the P4 female and male). If you do enough effort they may look reasonable, but people will always see that they're 3D figure, fake humans, just plain old 3D barbie dolls. And that's all V4 is good for and all of your renders are confirming that, but that's hard to admit, that's wy we see people becoming rude, attacking or getting off topic in this thread.

I can understand that. A lot of people have been hyped to the max, waiting so long for her, being convinced she would be the ultimate 3D figure and the truth isn't like that at all. She's very dissapointing, she's hype and that's hard to swallow. In the end DAZ didn't deliver and even I'm suprised by that. Even though I'm not a DAZ lover at all, they always have stood for quality and decent figures, but they sure have broken the trend with V4. I'm very suprised by that, I expected something mind blowing from all the fuzz DAZ made about here this last year and then she turns out to be very dissapointing, not the usual stunning decent DAZ quality.

I'm all for some how combining Sydney and V4 and then you'll have the best of the best.

So DAZ, you better drop the tagline 'The Best Just Got Better!' because she didn't. Even I will admit that V3 is the queen of Poserland and has ruled it for years, with no one being worthy enough to wear her crown and with the coming of V4 nothing has changes. V4 isn't worthy of being queen at all and has not earned the right to be called better then the best. She may rule Poserland one day, but at this moment she doesn't deverve to rule and she's not worth the investment needed to make here as good as V3.

So, were still waiting for a new queen and in all of the renders you guys have shown in this thread, V4 still looks like a barbie doll, not fit to be queen!

I totally get what you're saying. However, where I think you and many others are at fault is that many WANTED V4 to be THE ultimate female figure and when it failed to meet the many lofty expectations, many were greatly displeased when it was released.

I look at every figure, new or old, the same; how many add-on are available for this product, what is being proposed for upcoming add-ons and scalability in terms of supporting my expanding imagination. I like Aiko 3 as much as Aiko 19. I can utilize both in many renders. I like M3 AND D3. I'll use Jessi as well as Miki. And i'll use V4 just as I use V3. Just because V4 is the "NEW" thng to come along, it doesn't mean that she is to replace V3 as "the queen."

V4 is just another tool for me to use. If I want something sexy looking in an adult woman that doesn't have that "Amazon" with Amazon shoulders, then I'll use V4. If I WANT that Amazon look, then I'll use V3. If I want the exotic, I'll grab Miki. My point is...you can NEVER have too many tools in your toolbox!!! V4 is just another tool for me to use; another "option" to better assist me in turning my always changing imagination into 3D art.

I guess it's pretty easy to say something is bad when you can't point to something good and explain why it's good or when you have an empty gallery.  I also like the way people who don't even own a particular product are comfortable commenting extensively on something they don't have any direct experience with.  I don't care if somebody says my renders look bad - show some "amazing, charismatic, queenly renders" that aren't extensively postworked, just the raw model.

Of course some people will roll over and whine and say I'm being rude now...

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I really  understand what you want to say . I have the same feelings about V4 in the moment. I think it´s beacourse I have collect so many morph-packs for V3 and I also use Hmann´s New Generation with pleasure. Also with her morph-pack,++, from my point of view V4 only has base-morphes yet and I can´t do so many different expressions yet. So I don´t use her often in the moment.

Quote - **pjz99:**I guess it's pretty easy to say something is bad when you can't point to something good and explain why it's good or when you have an empty gallery.  I also like the way people who don't even own a particular product are comfortable commenting extensively on something they don't have any direct experience with.  I don't care if somebody says my renders look bad - show some "amazing, charismatic, queenly renders" that aren't extensively postworked, just the raw model.

Of course some people will roll over and whine and say I'm being rude now...

You're being rude. LOL! :tongue2:

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I really  understand what you want to say . I have the same feelings about V4 in the moment. I think it´s beacourse I have collect so many morph-packs for V3 and I also use Hmann´s New Generation with pleasure. Also with her morph-pack,++, from my point of view V4 only has base-morphes yet and I can´t do so many different expressions yet. So I don´t use her often in the moment.

The V4 ++morphs contain well over 200 head morphs to change V4's expressions. I think people aren't used to the new function/group names of the morphs and how they affect the figure. There are certainly morph targets in this morph pack which allows the user to tweak the figures in more subtle ways than what V3 offered. Is it better? That is up to the user and his/her preferences. Also, if you want a facial expressions pack, Daz has one by a great facial creator Joelegecko for $11.95:  www.daz3d.com/i.x/shop/itemdetails/-/ if you aren't yet comfortable using the ++morph dials.

"The V4 ++morphs contain well over 200 head morphs to change V4's expressions."

Well, there are maybe 200 DIALS, but not 200 actual morphs.

Several of these new expression morphs are just ERC dials to activate other morphs.
A lot of morphs are also just split into "left" and "right", which is also unecessary, as P6 and P7 can split any morph along the x-axis if you want.

And there are even more ERC dials that again combine these
split morphs to "save" you dial work. 
So instead of a single "smile" morph you can split yourself when necessary, you now have three new dials:
"smile left", "smile right", and a dial to activate both of them simultaneously.
AND a fourth dial to activate "smile" along with several others to make a "happy" face.

Using face files instead would have been a much smarter solution and given a lot more options without adding a gazillion of new dials.

So after close examination, there are only about a dozend genuinely "new" expression morphs in V4's cr2 that were not available for V3.

And while  we can now enjoy such amazing new sculpting morphs like "lacrimal size", a lot of usefull V3 head morphs are missing.

But I'm very sure either DAZ or some independent artist will create an extended face sculpting pack, soon.

For a little extra fee, of course.  :biggrin::rolleyes::biggrin:

Thanks! ;-) But I have just found the new morphes and tried them. I´m most rendering portraits only, and so I love to use many options. But I´m sure that V4 will become more usefull when time goes on.

V3 is an awsome character PXP.  If you like to spend your money like I do. Buy from artist that listen. You'll know who they are and so will everybody when we see the products as they become available. If people work  hard to jazz up V4 like they did V3. V3 is still a great figure and now that V4 is out her stuff is getting cheaper. :)

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I am FALLING for this chick!<--Not literally!}
I spent the day playin' with her, and she's an absolutely brilliant figure to work with! Did you know that her eye area actually moves in conjuntion with her eye movements? The only flaw that I see is there should've been individual muscle groups as in the past Mil-chars! But no matter, as her joint rigging more than makes up for it!<--Or until they release the muscle-morphs!}

ATTN: THIS IS NOT DIRECTED TOWARDS ANYONE!

I'm just having some fun with her "Charisma"!

See, now that's a character with "character".  Neat composition imo.

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Quote - See, now that's a character with "character".  Neat composition imo.

THANKS! I love your Heroines as well!

The Figure's character usually comes from the one who is creating, not the other way around! ;^)

Bingo.

Quote - > Quote - See, now that's a character with "character".  Neat composition imo.

THANKS! I love your Heroines as well!

The Figure's character usually comes from the one who is creating, not the other way around! ;^)

Hmm, perhaps we need to define charisma. The Oxford English dictionary gives this definition of the word. I'd give the unabbriged definition, but it is rather too long to type here;
charisma n. (pl. charismata) 1 a The ability to inspire followers with devotion and enthusiasm. b an attractive aura, great charm. 2 a devinely conferred power or talent. [eccl. L. f. Gk. kharisma favor f. kharis favor, grace] 1 see appeal n. **4.
**Though she is but an inamimate polygon mesh, she appears to have achieved definition 1 a, and though definition 1b could be shared by more than one person, most would agree it is largely relative, and as such,  is not applicable here. If this is the case I'm afraid there is little use in asking for help here,  as a man convincved against his will is usually a man not convinced. I could type the definition of the word appeal, but it too, is relative, unless you meant one of the many other defintions, in which case, I'm afraid I've misunderstood you alltogether. You haven't given anyone here much else to go on, even if they were merchants, which seemed to be your intended audience. I suppose V4 will just have to remain uncharasmatic for you, or whatever you meant by that. I'm afraid we can't help you. This happens in life you know. Good luck in your search.