Outside the US, Japan must be the the next biggest makers of Poser artworks.
I must say that I find most of their work "strange" to my Western sensibilities. Those who follow the PoserClub gallery and other Japanese sites, might like to give their views as to what they're MO is.
Cats and other animals in human situations, some period works, lots of "jail bait", as it were (school uniform) stuff, I just can't begin to comprehend.
Apart from the Anime and Lolicon stuff that I see on Japanese sites, just what do you thing of Japanese Poser artwork?
It is a mystery to me but I find it quite compelling. Something that they're doing that's very different to what the West is doing with Poser. What do you think of the Japanese Poser stuff??

It rocks :D

Quality wise on average, far superior in technical abilities and originality compared to what you find here on 'rosity.

For me I love the freedom of expression and creativity Japanese art displays. The Japanese people have an entirely different thought process as to people in the west. Having spent time in Japan I was fascinated by how old meets new. While there is very traditional aspects of Japanese culture they also love new technology and through this comes great creativity.

What is viewed here as strange is not so there. The west seems to want to attach morality to everything anymore especially art or creativity. I'm not saying all is perfect in Japan just that the way they think about things that people in the west find offensive doesn't register as odd or tabu to them.

I'd love to go into this more but then I'd be writing a book. LOL!

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As for the school uniform stuff, a friend of mine who was out there for six months or so told me that its not unusual for students to wear uniform throughout high school, right up to entering college at 18 or 19. So in Japan, school uniform does not automatically equate to underage.

One thing you have to remember is Japan is very much different regarding laws compared to the US. For example the consenting age in Japan is 12yo. For the US that is unheard of, but it's how their laws are. With that said, Japanese art has always been controversial with Lolicon, Shota and the like. I for one think their art is fantastic but thats just my opinion. I like the freedom of expression and versatility. With their laws the way the are, you can definitely tell that they're more liberal than the US.
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Quote - As for the school uniform stuff, a friend of mine who was out there for six months or so told me that its not unusual for students to wear uniform throughout high school, right up to entering college at 18 or 19. So in Japan, school uniform does not automatically equate to underage.

Absolutely! If anyone has spent a lot of time in the company of Asian women they know that they age with grace. There were many times I had mistaken a mature Asian woman for a young girl age wise. Even to this day it's still hard for me to tell.

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One should also take into account "The Cult of Cute." Japan is ground zero for the Cult of Cute. It started with Hello Kitty in the 1970s. Anyhoo, Girls in their 20s, or older, will dress like little girls because it is cute. Everyone wants to be cute. So Poser renders from Japan are like that too.

In Japan, they will have Big Eyed Aiko in bright colors and cute costume like Lolita, Maid, or Catgirl.
In America it's Naked Woman Warrior with big knockers in leather with Scary Weapon.

imho, American is too yang. I am loving the Japanese style! I love cute! I love color! I love the Bishies! And the neo-Punk j-Rockers too! Yea Japan! ^^

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Quote - One thing you have to remember is Japan is very much different regarding laws compared to the US. For example the consenting age in Japan is 12yo. For the US that is unheard of, but it's how their laws are. With that said, Japanese art has always been controversial with Lolicon, Shota and the like. I for one think their art is fantastic but thats just my opinion. I like the freedom of expression and versatility. With their laws the way the are, you can definitely tell that they're more liberal than the US.
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I'll say! Or Oz for that matter. I wonder if that 12y old consent law was made by a totally male-dominated law-making apparatus and when it's a left-over from? Would any mother- in a developed society consider her 12 year old mature enough for informed sexual consent?

Mind you-more often lately as young as 14 yolds are making such choices which I think is unfortunate enough. By informed sexual consent, of course I also mean emotional and mental readiness for such a step.

But I'm de-railing the convo, there's a lot that's interesting in Japanese art to be sure.

May I please have the best URLs to see the material you are talking of? Thanks!

One Westerner with a great insight is Peter Payne, a San Diego guy who married a Japanese girl (I've met them) and moved to Japan. They run a mail-order house for lots of things Japanese.

Peter has written volumes on Japan from a Westerner's viewpoint. If you subscribe to his newsletter you will get an email every few days with his observations, followed by a "what's new" at the bottom.

Warning: adult products sold at this site, but they have a completely non-adult entryway also, both accessed by this link:

http://www.jlist.com/

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"I just can't begin to comprehend"

Those silly Japanese they have no idea that Poser is for NViTwaS

Yes, it rocks, you have no argument with me there.
I have spent time in Japan too, back in the 1980's, and they're very into cute.
My youngest daughter loves anime and we watch it for hours on end - Azumanga Daioh, NieAunder7, Negima, Orphen to name a few.

For a start have a look through the Poserclub galleries. There's something undefinably Japanese going on there. Not sure what it is but I like it.

http://www.poserclub.jp/

Quote - In Japan, they will have Big Eyed Aiko in bright colors and cute costume like Lolita, Maid, or Catgirl.
In America it's Naked Woman Warrior with big knockers in leather with Scary Weapon.

LOL!!! I want this as my sig. How true though.

Attached Link: "Cute Inc."

Everyone should read this article.

Cute is spreading... Resistance is Futile. ;)

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LOL. Or maybe the simple version:

USA: Sex and Violence
JAPAN: Sex and Happy Bunny Love Kitty blush blush blush ;p

What people don't get, is that "Cult of Cute" is a rebellion against the establishment.
Think about it. Japanese culture is usually thought of as orderly exquisite understatement in manly natural colors. Cult of Cute is the opposite.

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Aaaaa, totemo kawaii, desu yo. ;P

Give me a tough samurai and a cute geisha any day - or a cute samurai and an onna-no-ko in the schoolgirl outfit (even if the time periods clash).

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Great technical prowess, obsession with things strange to the Western eye, some kinks I've never seen anywhere else, and generally very polite. But I've never been there..;)

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i tried to join Poserclub awhile back, but I could not quite navigate thru the sign up page since i cant read Japanese T.T and here is a link to a gallery i found the other day with some awesome original art

There is a great 'how-to' on joining Poserclub.jp in this forum. It is not too difficult and once you're signed up, you can get agoin'. :)

Gambatte!

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To spare the rest of you the agonizing search, here is the link to Poserclub.jp sign up/register Tut.

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Outside the US, Japan must be the the next biggest makers of Poser artworks.

What makes you even think the people in the US are the biggest makers of Poser Artworks at all? It may well be the other way around......

Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722

Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

***"What makes you even think the people in the US are the biggest makers of Poser Artworks at all? It may well be the other way around......"

Could very well be the case. Only guessing.
Maybe it's the Russians, there are lots of Russian sites around from what I've seen. And Eastern European.

I see, I was wondering if figures on such things would exsist.

Yes, Russians do use Poser a lot, so do Western Europeans. But I do think the Poser market in Japan is huge, at least that is what I understood from EF.

Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722

Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

Japanese content creators make the cutiest stuff in the whole wide world. Enough said. Me loves cute !!! And because of quite a huge difference in culture, they do have very original ideas for clothes or critters, at least original to non-Japanese rest of the world ;) Me loves kawaii stuff ! ^^'

Outdated gallery over at DeviantArt

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http://www.poserclub.jp/ph_view2.htm?ph_no=2714&phid=1169124313

There must be an AddWarmFuzzy morph in the Japanese version of Poser.

Everything (including the two things you'd expect to find) seems wrapped in cashmere.

:: og ::

Japanese attitudes towards sex, graphic and for real, would cause both wings of the American political spectrum to go into heart arrest. For those who rail against pornography should be kept away from any anime store nor made aware of lolicon, or Homeland Security will be all over the net. For those who condemn prostitution should be made dumb to MIzo Shobai, Love Hotels, Health Services, and definetly Soap Land.

The Japanese are big into form(kata) such as tea ceremony, kabuki, and martial arts kata. This applies to the sex industry with precise detail on thier websites as to the exact details of the services provided, the age, dimension, blood type, and preferences of each girl and when she is available, what clothes she will wear at the discretion of the customer, and other amenities of each service. Google "love-wife" and follow the links. It leaves the Reeperbahn in Hamburg and the Red Light District in Amsterdam in the dust.

I have seen men reading porno comics on the subway (Chikatetsu) with spread beavers, S&M bondage, and Lolikon while standing up in rush hour traffic. And rush hour traffic in Japan makes canned sardines look like the great plains.

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sssshhhh, the Japanese Poser users also talk about their western counterparts.....

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hehehhe heheheh I want to know what they say about the Westerners. ;) bB callgirl: "Lip my stocking?" Bill Murray: "Excuse me, what?" callgirl: "Lip. My. Stocking!" >

"How'd they do that ?"
"We can do it this way."
(implied) "We much prefer our females to look like THIS..."

(but mostly discussion revolves around familiar topics about the software, the operating system, the figures, technical stuff.)

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America really invented cute, when you think about it.

When Japan was rebuilding after the war, America built the world's greatest edifice to cute and led the Disneyfication of the world.

Look at the phenomenon of Shirley Temple and the like.

The cult of cute is alive and well on Renderosity. Even the leather-clad warriors are "cute".

For a quick lesson on the history of the word from the American Heritage Dictionary:

"Word History: Cute is a good example of how a shortened form of a word can take on a life of its own, developing a sense that dissociates it from the longer word from which it was derived. Cute was originally a shortened form of acute in the sense "keenly perceptive or discerning, shrewd." In this sense cute is first recorded in a dictionary published in 1731. Probably cute came to be used as a term of approbation for things demonstrating acuteness, and so it went on to develop its own sense of "pretty, fetching," first recorded with reference to "gals" in 1838."

As they should ... won't someone here or there make a few props or sets from the floating world?

Gordon

Quote - As for the school uniform stuff, a friend of mine who was out there for six months or so told me that its not unusual for students to wear uniform throughout high school, right up to entering college at 18 or 19. So in Japan, school uniform does not automatically equate to underage.

In England, it is not uncommon (say my contacts there) there seem to be "school days" parties, where 20-somethings dress up in school uniforms (or sometimes sexier versions, at least for the girls) and behave the way they wish they had been able to when they were 16.

Quote - LOL. Or maybe the simple version:

USA: Sex and Violence
JAPAN: Sex and Happy Bunny Love Kitty blush blush blush ;p

What people don't get, is that "Cult of Cute" is a rebellion against the establishment.
Think about it. Japanese culture is usually thought of as orderly exquisite understatement in manly natural colors. Cult of Cute is the opposite.

bB

According to novelist Novala Takemota ("Kamikaze Girls"), Lolita's are actually quite hard-boiled. I highly recommend this novel, as well as the movie adaptation.

Quote - LOL. Or maybe the simple version:

USA: Sex and Violence
JAPAN: Sex and Happy Bunny Love Kitty blush blush blush ;p

bB

Yeah, okay.

Urotsukidoji

I love it when simplistic answers can be obliterated with a single word.

Japan has some of the most original & innovative artists, film makers, animators & modellers on the planet, I just wish the Americans wouldn't keep trying to copy them all the time, they never get it right. My very first taste of their vision was back in 1989 with Shinya Tsukamoto's Tetsuo, one of the most incredible films I've ever seen.

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I know what urotsuku means, but not certain about your usage there. ;) Pardon my nihongo, I'm far from fluent.

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Do a search on imdb for Legend of the Overfiend & you'll see what it's about, can't link to it cause it's a bit naughty ;)

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I remember Urotsukidoji... I've seen it first when I was 16... Guy who borrowed me the videotape (yes, it was when people went abroad to buy anime videotapes, now they are just shopping online for DVD's) was already 18 (adult by our laws) and poor thing thought he can make me shocked, LOL. But I do prefer cute side of Japanese anime/manga/Poser stuff.
Totoro, me demands for plushie Totoro - or at least Poser figure of Totoro .

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my opinion:

cute is a watered-down version of wholesome. there is nothing 'wrong' with it per se.

it is the urge for 'the good' gone shy.

i include healthy erotic love in this concept of 'the good.'

wholesome, including wholesome healthy sex, is a real thing. it is a bourgeois value, and I use that word with pride, not derision.

anyone holding wholesome values and stating them without guile or hypocrisy, such as Walt Disney, is accustomed to being laughed at, spit at, mocked. More so now than previously; Disney was sincerely and genuinely loved.

thus, cute

This is a strange thread. I don't think anyone or any culture can lay claim on "inventing" cute. Babies are cute. Perhaps they are cute so mommies and daddies will take care of them since they are helpless on their own.

Cult of Cute is a subculture gone mainstream.

Just like the original poster on this thread, I was completely baffled by art I was seeing from Japan. So I did my homework.

"Kitten Writing" in Japan in the 1970s started, apparently spontaneously. Just like girls here do ridiculious "bubble" writing with hearts to dot the "i" and such nonsense, the Japanese girls were doing it. It wasn't easy to write. It wasn't easy to read. But it was popular, and gaining popularity. So "Kitten Paper" was invented for girls write their cute scribbles on, and the mascot was Hello Kitty.

Smart Japanese businessmen quickly realized, "Cute Sells."

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Quote - Do a search on imdb for Legend of the Overfiend & you'll see what it's about, can't link to it cause it's a bit naughty ;)

Oh. *Chōjin Densetsu Urotsukidōji.

*Not my type of thing (Hentai/Anime/Manga). There are facets that I like, but you can say that 'comic books' in general were never my thing either. 3D anime/manga is more interesting. :)

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p.s.

The Big Eyed look that screams "anime" and "Japan" was actually inspired by America cartoon characters. This was pre-Disney too, by the way. I can't remember exact names and artists, but I can look it up when I get home.

bB

i hope Urotsukidoji is fringe even in Japan, its pretty far out there! and thanks for the help on joining PoserClub

This is very intersting ( and also funny ) thread for me.
I think you see one aspect of japan and japanese poser-verse.
Anyway, everyone see what he want to see.

We are planning Wafoo-Exhibition (The Japanesque Render Chanenge) in early March. You will see another aspect of japanese poser-verse. The theme is all about japan, but mainly historical. You will see Yoroi(armor) or Kimono that is not fake different from selling in US market.

ytetsu -

yes, I signed up for the WAFOO exhibition website too
( ^ ^ )
It is very interesting.

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Quote - This is a strange thread. I don't think anyone or any culture can lay claim on "inventing" cute. Babies are cute. Perhaps they are cute so mommies and daddies will take care of them since they are helpless on their own.

This is true even in baby animals. Baby animals such as birds and mammals are cute
because even these animals have a "cuteness" sense and that encourages them
to take care of their young. While babies of many reptiles, fish, insects
tend not to be cute because they are on their own when they hatch, hence there
is no need for them to be cute. Baby alligators are an exception, because
mother alligators do care for their young. It has even been found some baby
dinosaurs were cute, because those dinosaurs also cared for their young.
That may be the reason you hear stories about mother dogs taking care
of kittens and bunnies, they are too cute for the dog to resist.

ytetsu and infinity....

can you give a link to that render challenge?

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have to agree about the copying manga/hentai/anime, etc. See, I see enough room in the world for both styles. I used to enjoy western-style stuff, and Japanese stuff ( I still get creeped out by 6-year-old heads on impossibly-endowed women) which has some very good work with more adult-looking people.

A melange of styles is probably best for any form of art. I have a weird 'law' about an art form; if you can 'define' it, it's on the way out. Mixing and matching is all well and good, but if something gets too formulaic, that's a restriction on creativity, in a way.

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This is a little off topic, but actually not really....

I am considering extending my Japanese Idol website 10000 Sweet Blossoms with a rendered 3D section. The site is not currently commercial, in that the 'membership' page is disabled. You will be able to get to the images, however, no password needed. WARNING: Nudity (non-sexual).

http://10000sweetblossoms.com

If I go with this idea, I'd be in the market for rights to display idol art for commission, from artists anywhere in the world.

I'd appreciate any comments from anyone on the current state of the site. Enjoy.

Thank you,

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Quote - i hope Urotsukidoji is fringe even in Japan, its pretty far out there! and thanks for the help on joining PoserClub

It isn't. Actually, it's about right in the middle of the horror/hentai genre. And there are more genre's than you can shake a katana at. Elfen Lied intersperses utter cuteness with psychic sociopaths...and pretty accurate examples of what happens when limbs are amputated, heads twisted, off, etc. Then there's Bible Black. Evil as really evil... Any number of series where guns leave bloody holes in dead bodies, knives, swords, axes, etc. all do messily fatal things...which is one of the many attractions. Deadly weapons are treated as deadly weapons, not playtoys. Most of the -really- bad stuff can't be legally imported. Nuff said. (And like anything, 90% of any of the media is dreck. But that 10% is so worth the trouble to get at times...)

operaguy -

http://www.cylinks.jp/wafoo/

It is also mentioned on the front page of PoserClub Japan - towards the bottom.

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I think a part of it is down to English-speaking culture: the USA and the UK. Just go from the UK to Europe and things change. The tolerances are different. The impression I get is that a lot more Japanese animation is broadcast in French, Spanish, or Iralian, than ever gets onto TV in the UK. Here, we seem to share the commonplace US attitude that animation is just for kids.

I think the attitude towards animation is starting to change with all the big budget animations coming out recently, the movie companies are finally starting to twig what the rest of us have known for years, that animation is universal or can be in the right hands.

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YAY! Cute! I like cute! WHeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! I like waffles, too! YAY!

Ooops, sorry. To much of watching Invader Zim. The Cuteness of Gir posses me. It commands me! Cuteness can be furry as hell,too. Darkly dismembering dystopian idealogues are all well and good, but sometimes life IS DYSTOPIAN! When that happens, I need some happy fun cuteness.......and tacos. I need tacos. O_O Without tacos, I might blow up. That happens to me sometimes. ^__^ TACOS! YAY!

THE CUTENESS COMMANDS YOU! OBEY THE CUTENESS!!

The Japanese do not have cuteness cornered.

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Quote - I remember Urotsukidoji... I've seen it first when I was 16... Guy who borrowed me the videotape (yes, it was when people went abroad to buy anime videotapes, now they are just shopping online for DVD's) was already 18 (adult by our laws) and poor thing thought he can make me shocked, LOL. But I do prefer cute side of Japanese anime/manga/Poser stuff.
Totoro, me demands for plushie Totoro - or at least Poser figure of Totoro .

That was one of the first anime movies released in the UK, by an outfit called Manga Video, nearly 20 years ago now. All quite legal, with an 18 certificate from the BBFC, but the people screaming about corrupting our children didn't seem to notice that.

Poserclub JP... I think the instructions may need updating. I seem to have set up an ID and password. I seem able to login. But no downloads work.

I find cute much more appealing and interesting than NVIATWAS. Perhaps I should be posting my stuff in Japan because I'm all about cute when it comes to my Poser art... Perhaps I was Japanese in a past life. Either that, or I have been watching too much Anime in this life, LOL. :-)

Hummmmmm

Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things! ; )

Quote - Poserclub JP... I think the instructions may need updating. I seem to have set up an ID and password. I seem able to login. But no downloads work.

If you're trying to click the text that says "Download" it's not that... if you click the picture of the item, the popup window will appear.

Also check your browser security settings for pop-up blockers and make sure file downloading isn't blocked.

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somewhat off topic James Cameron is working on an adaption of Yukito Kishiro's manga Battle Angel Alita! Sounds like he's going to combine the 1st 3 vol. covering Hugo and Motoball. ^ ^

Quote - somewhat off topic James Cameron is working on an adaption of Yukito Kishiro's manga Battle Angel Alita! Sounds like he's going to combine the 1st 3 vol. covering Hugo and Motoball. ^ ^

Is this some kind of secret code? Could someone translate this into the Queen's English?
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Quote - > Quote - somewhat off topic James Cameron is working on an adaption of Yukito Kishiro's manga Battle Angel Alita! Sounds like he's going to combine the 1st 3 vol. covering Hugo and Motoball. ^ ^

Is this some kind of secret code? Could someone translate this into the Queen's English?
DPH

Manga= A japanese form of comic art
Battle Angel Alita= A character/series of comics
Yukito Kishiro= The artist
James Cameron= made some of the best US films ever :P

Not familiar with the series, but that's how I roughly translated it.

dphoadley @ Tilandra
Thanks. Actually, Manga I've heard about, and 'Batle Angle Alita' I think I cpuld've figured out; but what the HECK is a Hugo Motoball, and -why should any of us even care?
DPH

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Quote - > Quote - This is a strange thread. I don't think anyone or any culture can lay claim on "inventing" cute. Babies are cute. Perhaps they are cute so mommies and daddies will take care of them since they are helpless on their own.

This is true even in baby animals. Baby animals such as birds and mammals are cute
because even these animals have a "cuteness" sense and that encourages them
to take care of their young. While babies of many reptiles, fish, insects
tend not to be cute because they are on their own when they hatch, hence there
is no need for them to be cute. Baby alligators are an exception, because
mother alligators do care for their young. It has even been found some baby
dinosaurs were cute, because those dinosaurs also cared for their young.
That may be the reason you hear stories about mother dogs taking care
of kittens and bunnies, they are too cute for the dog to resist.

The attributes which are interpreted as "cute" are due to neotony, which is essentially offspring being born before they are fully developed. There is a tradeoff between a longer gestation and a shorter infancy vs. shorter gestation and a longer infancy. Mammal offspring, especially primates, are born while before the fetus is fully developed. In the case of primates, including humans, this is before the offspring is capable of walking. The The generally accepted reason why we perceive neotonous creatures as "cute" is, as quoted above, so that their parents will take care of them, but the reason why those particular features are perceived as cute is due to neotony.

Quote - dphoadley @ Tilandra
Thanks. Actually, Manga I've heard about, and 'Batle Angle Alita' I think I cpuld've figured out; but what the HECK is a Hugo Motoball, and -why should any of us even care?
DPH

I'm guessing they're story arcs covered in the three volumes he mentioned. As to caring, well I like most of John Carpenter's stuff so I'd be interested in what he does with Manga material, even if I'm not a big fan of the subject matter. :D

@dphaodly - Talash and Jalad at Tanagra. Besu, his eyes red with tears. Temba, at Tanagra..;) Mene mene tekel upharsin..;)

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anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)

Suddenly I understand why Japanese are so good at Fuzzy logic, well anyhow what I think of cute is very well demonstrated in the 1944 carton movie of Tex Avery: Screwball Squirrel.

-How can you improve things when you don't make mistakes?

Neotony, as described above, winds up as a pleasing arrangement of subcutaneous flesh which presents a pleasing appearance to members of the opposite sex (men) causing a short circuit in the rational process resulting to submission of tributes and adulations to (women) whose sole attribute is said arragement of subcutaneous flesh and other wise has the personality of a shit sandwich, the appetites of a pyrranha, and the loyalty of a hyenna.

Gordon

gee Huolong, I guess you don't have a cute girlfriend.

She was, she did, and so did every Tom, Dick and Sally ... and did the same to the next five hubbies.

Tip. Looks wear out after three years, and then you have to like each other.

Gordon

Quote - @dphaodly - Talash and Jalad at Tanagra. Besu, his eyes red with tears. Temba, at Tanagra..;) Mene mene tekel upharsin..;)

Shaka, when the walls fell! The river Temarc, in winter! Temba at rest!

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Quote - dphoadley @ Tilandra
Thanks. Actually, Manga I've heard about, and 'Batle Angle Alita' I think I cpuld've figured out; but what the HECK is a Hugo Motoball, and -why should any of us even care?
DPH

Hugo is the name of the kid she falls for in this particular incarnation of her very long life. Motoball is a cyborg sport. Combine roller derby in 3 dimensions with heavy doses of Rollerball, Mad Max, and Thunderdome, and you are close. Alita turns to this after Hugo's obsession leads him to a less than happy ending. As for caring....One girl's search for her past, and finding out what she was, where she learned to do the things she can do, and why she did it/them. Also a cautionary tale about allowing either technology or politics dehumanize one. Not to mention the martial arts shit would put Crouching Tiger to shame.....

Alita Battle Angel...

Not sure if this thread provoked a response from one Japanese PoserClub member, but she blogged about it there ( in english, as best as she could manage.) Basically, her message is that Japanese women may be depicted in renders or photos as very young, but their real ages could be up to twice the apparent age. She also mentions that Japanese culture should not be confused with Chinese or Korean culture.

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Ah, Thanks infinity10.
I wondered what she wrote about.

But, I think, this thread is not for poser in japan but for manga already.

And I'm sorry , I 'm not interesing in manga.
Though I have read plenty of manga in many years, but it's only a manga for me (or ordinaly japanese).

Regarding: the hypothesis that 'cute' is nature's way of encourage the parents to attach and nurture offspring.

This drive or urge is fully operable in the species subject to it. Without speaking for any of other species, there is another dimension for homo sapiens, namely the 'sapiens'. Man is self-aware. Man is also possessed of choice; humans must activate themselves to think and then act, by choice. Yes, the chemical drive is there, but the individual makes the choice to go with the flow, reject it or avoid it.

Some people opt out of parenting. Some become parents, feel the nurturing hormones kick in, and reject them or fight them. Many accept them and bask in the euphoric glow. Some people even chose to not actually become parents, but participate in nurturing children anyway. What's clear is: unlike any other species, the chemical/instinctual programming is merely the baseline, the default. The real story begins when the will comes into play.

Importantly: homo sapiens possess the ability to ignite or allow the flood of endorphins associated with this drive outside of parenting. The spectrum is everything from drive-by girl/guy watching to a jolt from erotic art to one night stand of sex to an extended affair to a long-term relationship to mated permanent commitment, in which couples learn to re-ignite the euphoria when it fades. All of those paths are choices -- whether parenting is sought or not. Homo sapiens is at choice about this phenomena.

The cult of cute - including Poser cute -- can thus be seen as happy participation in love.

::::: Opera :::::

I just wanted to say ThanX! I never knew of the Poser/Japan connection! I was very impressed, a bit red, and mostly agog! Yep this may have been the best thread I ever popped into! ;)
Too Cute!!!
HuggerZ!
Ariana

Is there water in your future or is it being shipped away to be resold to you?
Water, the ultimate weapon...
www.futurefantasydesign.com

Famous Japanese / Japanese Sites in Poser Community.
Please add to the list if I missed anyone! Thanks. ^^

Aoaio
APS
B-man (idler)
BatLab
BillyT
Candy
Chaya
Kozaburo
Have
Hisayan
Honey
ISOP
Jazy
Jezz
Lab108
Lafiesta
Mask-da
Milano-Aoyama
Mochi
Motsura
Quarker
Play with Poser
Poser Nightmare
Poserg
Seisui
SilverWolf
StudioMaya
Trout
Tomiya
Toshiyo
Toucan
Wapico
Yamato
Z3D

bB

oops, shoulda known someone would pick up the 1st reference..;) Figured Mista Hoadley would pick up the 2nd..;)

I need to check the above list to see what's out there. I recognize a few, some I thought were gone (Mask-da?..used to be the place for weaponry) I'll have to peruse some of these to get some good links...from the land of the rising 'question mark pages'..;) (That's how they come up in English...lots and lots of question marks..;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)

ThanX bastBlack I do recognize quite a few...BatLab and BillyT stand out. I had no idea! Are these all.com? I mean to find them i add .com to the names? Help me out, I am still figuring the WWW LOL!!!
HuggerZ!
Ariana

Is there water in your future or is it being shipped away to be resold to you?
Water, the ultimate weapon...
www.futurefantasydesign.com

Studio Maya's list is pretty good. You can find it here:
http://www.3digitalcrafts.net/studiomaya/1hotlist/index.html

Yep. I bet everyone's got great freebies and purchased goodies from Japan in their Runtime. ^^

bB

out of 2,100+ entries, I only have about 12 of the above. Everybody go surfin'...;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)

You will be very busy for a long time. You can get rid of the question marks by installing japanese in your web browser, or you use google's translator. Just plug in the web site address: http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en Here are some more links I don't think are on the Studio Maya list: WARNING: Some sites have nudity!) Honda, yes Honda, has sweet freebies! ^^ http://www.honda.co.jp/WebPlamo/cbr1100xx/index.html 3d Chaya http://www.3dchaya.com/ blueplum http://blueplum.sakura.ne.jp/sazanami/top.htm Silver Wolf http://www.geocities.jp/metalpeach/dll/dll.html Super Heroin - Candy http://www.globetown.net/~candy/download.html Quarker http://quarker.blog5.fc2.com/blog-category-2.html Wapico's Blog http://wapidoll.seesaa.net/ Kobomax http://www.k2.dion.ne.jp/~kobamax/ APS http://homepage3.nifty.com/aps/ Milano Aoyama http://www.geocities.co.jp/Milano-Aoyama/1324/poser/DownLoad/DownLoad01.html and names I don't have sites for: Yagami Naoki bB

ThanX bB! I will be looking at this all nite!!!!
HuggerZ!
Ariana

Is there water in your future or is it being shipped away to be resold to you?
Water, the ultimate weapon...
www.futurefantasydesign.com

Bishounen and Biseinen Addicts, get your Guys Project freebies here and also gawk at all the pretty boys:
http://lafiesta.sakura.ne.jp/
Totally shameless Man-Gawk-Fest, in the style of that particular genre.
No beary stuff though.
That is available alternatively at:
http://guma.ath.cx/props/index-english.htm
WARNING - ADULT CONTENT

Eternal Hobbyist

Does it mean I'm addicted to Japanese Poser content if I have all those links already bookmarked, most for at least a year ? O.o

Naoki's site:
http://www.katch.ne.jp/~naoki-s/top/top.htm

Yagami's site:
http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~yagami/

Outdated gallery over at DeviantArt

Fics at FanFiction.net and Archive of Our Own (AO3)

oh yeah, I seem to remember Honda had 3d models of some of it's cars and motorcycles..at least a few years ago.

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)

The Honda link is there along with new models of new hondas

Gordon

just a friendly game between a group of babes Left to right: Linlin by Yamato Ranran by Yamato Satsuki by minerva Cancan by Yamato Reika by minerva Alice hair, short hair and Rei hair by Kozaburo

Japan rocks my whole world!! having spent over 2 months in Yokohama, I can't wait to go back and even relocate there as soon as I find the correct setting for it...

Japan rocks!! I'll never get tired of saying it...

Also keep in mind that if you don't login to Poserclub at least once a month, your membership will be deleted (to keep their database from getting overfilled, which may have been what caused those problems recently).

Interesting about the consenting age being 12. Things used to be like that here in the US years ago. I once worked with a woman who got married at 13 and had her first child at 14. had 10 kids and was still married to the guy at 60. People didn't live as long years ago so started younger.

Poser and Japan... I'm just thinking now how apparently Daz3D went to Japan to , among other things, talk to Kozaburo into making stuff for them and that never prospered...

was that true or what happened with that?? does someone remember?

Wasn't Aiko3 the result? bB

Warner Bros. and MGM and of course Disney made most of the popular cartoon stuff made in the US. Also Hanna Barbara did all back in the old days. Everything is gone global now, but most of the animation I watch now says it is made in Japan. Isn't Dexter's Lab and Samaria Jack and even Power Puff Girls all animated in Japan. How many popular cartoons are made/drawn in Hollywood now? Maybe The Simpsons or King of the Hill, I don't really know for sure. What's interesting though is now animations and movies can be peiced together from all over the world. It's hard to say where it's made exactly. I think Japan can say they make there own anime and cartoon stuff. I don't know if we/US even make that much animation stuff anymore. Hollywood contracts it all out to Japan who it seems to me is the leader and place to go for animation making now. I rarely see anything that doesn't say it's not. I watch the old reruns and drive antique cars to get the real made in USA experience.

-shrug-

Call me not impressed.

Japanese Poser works have some 'cute' looks, but in terms of technical skill the English speaking community (as in, Renderosity) is vastly better.

They have nothing coming close to someone such as Aery Soul, or a number of others we could list from here, Daz, rDNA, and CP.

All they have is a set of stylized toon looks that are popular. There are a few people that once did some very impressive work with hair, but at this point in time they have been surpassed by again, artists such as Aery Soul and a number of people who sell on Daz. And this side of the Poser world has even caught up on the stylized toon looks with figures like Aiko and Terai Yuki - figures which are based around superior technical models as well. Here is where I am not sure if TY was made by the Japanese community and sold to CP or not... but even if it was, it is not as technically advanced as Aiko.

And V4 / G2 both have potential to turn out a new generation of stylized toon looks that will be even better in the underlying technical arena.

I can look at the Japanese stuff and like the look of some of their works, but that does not mean I'm going to make the mistake of assuming they have greater technical skill or artistic vision.

There is a lot of garbage in both communities, and there is a small amount of really great art over there, but a larger pool of 'small amount' here. Over there, the best of their artists are doing the same style as the worst, only doing it better. Here, the best are all doing varied styles from each other and the main community.

Also, having lived in Asia for a decade, the 'Japanese style' is not exactly Japanese - it resembles styles found in a number of other Asian countries as well.

Truth has no value without backing by unfounded belief.
Renderosity Gallery

as far as I know, dexter's lab, powerpuff girls and all CN cartoons' animation are done here in Atlanta, Georgia... I could be wrong, but I tend to think so..

and I hardly think that Aiko 3 had anything to do with kozaburo...

What I was thinking of, is how most of the people who met with DAZ in Japan also had products for Aiko3 at DAZ when Aiko was released. (That was the first time I had seem a few of them sell at DAZ.) They might have had some input on Aiko3, but that's just a guess. The Simpsons and Futurama are animated in South Korea. Terai Yuki was an Idol in Japan, -- a Virtual Celebrity. imho, It's the storytelling from Japan that is dramatically better than the offerings from Hollywood and TV in the 2000s. bB

I think what I like about anime is the "arc" story telling. In the USA, it's hard to find animation where more than 2 episodes have anything to do with each other. In Japan, it's not uncommon to find anime arc stories with more than 50 episodes. It can be very addicting. Sort of like watching soap operas or seasons of "24".

I'd rather stay in my lane than lay in my stain!

thanks for the correction... I know a lot of the Cartoon Network original stuff is done here, probably licensed stuff like the Simpsons and Futurama are animated elsewhere...

and totally agreed on the japanese storytelling style... they made popular de "decompressed" storytelling mode, and specially with manga, where they replaced the classical american comics infoboxes "meanwhile, 20 miles away from where our hero is standing" with actual images of where the hero is standing, showing you and make you understand somehow where the action is taking place, rather than explicitly shoving it on your face by detailing it with every single word.

but again, it's just a matter of tastes, I would not want to turn this into an "american comics versus japanese comics" thread by no means...

Power Puff Girls is animated in Korea also. It's not completely finished there. There are folks in the US that design the characters write the story and so forth and so on(I looked it up). But it cannot be said that it's completely 100% made only in the USA. It's just like you can't claim a Ford is completely 100% made in the US now days when parts on it say they are made in Canada or Mexico or Japan or where ever else. I know because I fix my own stuff. It's assembled here and Canada sometimes. Thats the way things work global market trading these days. Some things are more American than others. Most products are tainted with parts made someplace else other than in the US.. America doesn't even make a television anymore. They're all made in other countries now. Culture shock from globalization effects everyone and I'm not really trying to pitch one place against another as being better or worse or anything else. I like old American made stuff. I can certianly understand why somebody from Japan would feel that way about the stuff they make there. More power to ya. We have a lot of good things going on here still and hope you do also. Where is western infuence coming from when a large portion of it is manufactured in the East? Everybody's culture is changing. Everybody's responcible.

The majority of cereal animation is a combination of the native countries work (US for instance) and South Korea.

Generally the pre-vis, a kind of simple animated story-board, is done in the US. The bulk of the animation is then done in South Korea. There may be some basic post-work done back in the US before airing.

Incidentally, it was this thread that lead to the discovery of PoserClub (for me). Great stuff!

Note: I believe the company that animates The Simpsons (and previously Futurama) is called Rough Draft.

If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards...checkmate!

Ohm, maybe I hit a nerv here - maybe not. But splitting it up and saying Americans have these style, Japanese prefere that way ... ehr, well it is so fragging ignorant in my oppinion. I'm neither japanese nor american. But I am heavily influenced by both cultures. I collect Marvel and Dark Horse-Comics, have tons of Mangas filling my bookshelves and my favorite movies are Blade Runner, Sent to Chihiro and Sin City. Japanese Art isn't only cute as well as Americans not only produce the Friday Night NViTwS :) It's the same thing like saying all Germans eat Weiurst and Beer all the time (and I know what I am talking about - I am German, NOT from Bavaria and never have been to Neuschwanstein ^.^ ... and I HATE Weiurst) For sure there are different influences - and a certain mainstream in both countries. And you find on each side of the pacific tons of crap as well as astonishing great stuff.

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