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Jeff

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man, that's gonna cut way down on hits for the giant-boob pix :lol: anyway, thx fr the link.

Since I never use a thumbnail with nudity in it, not a big deal for me but thanks, anyway.

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Victoria

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Going to make viewing a pain, who wants to sort through that many images... plus nude pics get the most hits... in my gallery anyway!

Hmm. Going to either: a) Send the bandwidth through the roof from people having to open all those jpegs. b) Send the membership through the floor as people get tired of opening all those jpegs and say the hell with it. c) Start a =real= firestorm when someone opens a jpeg that is 'offensive', and the thumbnail gave a totally misleading impression, and the artist points out that it was within the new TOS when said offended party tries to rip into them. Next on 'As The 'Rosity Turns'.......

well, I have the feeling Renderosity is slowly becoming a MONASTERY although it's not Renderosity's fault rule is rule.
Specially my work which I use very seldom cloths on figures, now I have to make a standard and special thumbnails showing no nuduty what a boring issue.
I wonder what will come next, maybe they will ask from us do a render without a figure.

OK, No nudity on thumbnails? fine I have to live with it although it's not understandable.
Let me ask this, one sees the thumbnail without nudity and opens the image BOOOOOOOM there the image is completely nudity now where is the difference thumbnails are not allowed nudity but the content of the image nudity is allowed what kind of rules are this.

The solution is like other gallery websites separate the galley into only nudity and non nudity section whoever is offended should even not go to that section.

dphoadley @ wheatpenny
But the thumbnail is generated automatcally with the upload, so how do we keep out the nudity. I NEVER make special thumbnails for my renders. One of the reasons that I prefer Renderosith over 'rotica is that it SAVES me thath headache.
David P. Hoadley

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The new TOS says thumbnails can have "Tasteful breast exposure. No areola or nipple exposure, and no transparent fabric." Does that mean I can stick yellow stars on the naughty parts like they do in the ads seen in the back of certain magazines?

Dell B said exactly what I did on the front page post... and amen!

> Quote - Does that mean I can stick yellow stars on the naughty parts like they do in the ads seen in the back of certain magazines?

Yanno - like this....

ya could have just put the jellyfish as the thumb velsh :D thats totally nude but got no bits that ya can see :D

As the announcement says, if there is nudity in the image then you will have to make a thumbnail with no nudity in it. You cannot use the automatic thumbnail feature if there is nudity in the image.

Jeff

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no more pics from me I think.
I just keep looking and the photography session.
and by the way I find that pic above offensive. So delete if vel.

Quote - ya could have just put the jellyfish as the thumb velsh :D thats totally nude but got no bits that ya can see :D

I had to ask before they stopped allowing nudity/partial nudity in forum posts.

Quote - c) Start a =real= firestorm when someone opens a jpeg that is 'offensive', and the thumbnail gave a totally misleading impression, and the artist points out that it was within the new TOS when said offended party tries to rip into them. Next on 'As The 'Rosity Turns'.......

The person uploading the image is still responsible for flagging their image "nudity" or "violence", and the nudity and / or violence filters will be picking up on those flags just like it has before.

This is just changing the way thumbnails are displayed, not the gallery images or the requirement to flag images with the nudity or violence flags.

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able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
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Yes, but before when I tagged one of my images as being nude, the thumbnail was generated automatically. Now, it's not enough that I tag it as nude, I have to go and make a special thumbnail as well! This is truly a piece of crap!
DPH

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Quote - The new TOS says thumbnails can have "Tasteful breast exposure. No areola or nipple exposure, and no transparent fabric." Does that mean I can stick yellow stars on the naughty parts like they do in the ads seen in the back of certain magazines?

I don't know about "yellow stars" but Stacey is going to bring up the matter of using black bars across the whole areas in qustion during a meeting tomorrow. So hang tight. She said she would clarify once a decision has been made.

Quote - Moxie,

I will talk to the rest of the team and see about the "black bars". We have a meeting tomorrow and we will discuss this amongst the admin and then with the mods/coords.
I do understand to some degree what you are saying here so we will discuss.
I'll clarify once a decision has been reached.

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This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
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Yup not a problem here. It is going to be a bit annoying though .
I still don't see how the thumbnails won't be misleading now. Especially since the "contains" tags under them are on the small side. O.o

An understandable move, but hope it all works out for the best.

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Quote - Yes, but before when I tagged one of my images as being nude, the thumbnail was generated automatically. Now, it's not enough that I tag it as nude, I have to go and make a special thumbnail as well! This is truly a piece of crap!
DPH

Forgive me, but didn't we all have to make our own thumbnails at one time until only quite recently? I think it's only been for the last year or less that thumbnails have been automatically generated by the system.

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able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Thanks Acadia. So what about the million plus thumbs that have nipples already? Will they be grandfathered in or images deleted?**
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Quote - Thanks Acadia. So what about the million plus thumbs that have nipples already? Will they be grandfathered in or images deleted?**
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Yes, from what I understand this new change only applies to images going forwards.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Cool.

BTW - that is one helluva nice cat you got in that avatar.

Quote - > Quote - Yes, but before when I tagged one of my images as being nude, the thumbnail was generated automatically. Now, it's not enough that I tag it as nude, I have to go and make a special thumbnail as well! This is truly a piece of crap!

DPH

Forgive me, but didn't we all have to make our own thumbnails at one time until only quite recently? I think it's only been for the last year or less that thumbnails have been automatically generated by the system.

That'sright, and that's why I posted very few images before.
DPH

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It only takes a few seconds to create a thumbnail. It's really pretty easy and you don't have to do anything special to upload it other than to just browse for it on your hard drive like you do the image. I keep my thumnail and image together in the same directory and put "_Thumb" after it so it's right next to the image I'm looking to upload.

I did up a basic guide on how to resize images and create thumbnails. Maybe that will help you make thumbnails?

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able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

A PSP tut doesn't exactly help ME with Photoshop.
DPH

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I can help you with the photoshop one too :)

The only thing is that my computer is on the verge of dying permanently and I'm afraid to do much more than visit forums right now, and I won't have my new computer until later this week or early next. But once I'm back up and running on my new computer I'll do up a more indepth tutorial and cover photoshop for you.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

I use Photoshop, I'll try and get a Photoshop tutorial together tomorrow sometime, if you like.

I understand the need for the new rules, but I hope this isn't the first of many changes to come. You know what they say about giving up freedoms. Once you give up one, the next one is much easier to loose.

Anyway, I like artful Thumbnails, so like I said, I don't mind.

Quote - I use Photoshop, I'll try and get a Photoshop tutorial together tomorrow sometime, if you like.

I understand the need for the new rules, but I hope this isn't the first of many changes to come. You know what they say about giving up freedoms. Once you give up one, the next one is much easier to loose.

Anyway, I like artful Thumbnails, so like I said, I don't mind.

Thank you, that would be wonderful :)

Would you mind covering the following?

Sometimes a gallery image ends up too big in file size and needs to be compressed too much which results in loss of image quality. So what I do instead of just reszing the image, I select the whole image, contract by X number of pixels (often 5 pixels on all sides, to start). Then I "crop to selection". This reduces the dimensions of the image without affecting the quality of the picture itself. So if you could cover that for Photoshop that would be terrific.

How to resize using "Bicubuc Resampling" to maintain maximum image quality.

And also the "Save to Web" feature to obtain the a file size within the guideline limits.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

From other comments I've read leading up to this, I'm in favor, I suppose. :sigh: This is part of the NSFW movement (Not Safe For Work). Personally, I NEVER visit Rendo at work. Period! I do NOT want my boss thinking I'm using the business internet browsing PORN! Things like THAT can cost people their jobs.

It doesn't matter if it's lunch-time, or after work, or you're on break.....people can lose jobs because of the OVERWHELMING ,almost psychotic, paranoia afflicting some parts of the world now.

A sad state of affairs in the USA, now. I guess the challenge is coming up with kick-ass, evocative thumbnails that draw people in with curiosity.

meh.

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Does this new rule only apply to humanoid shaped figures or does it apply just as equally to the animals? It might sound like a silly question but we are (underneath the clothes) merely animals ourselves, just slightly less intelligent than the rest.

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Lucifer_The_Dark: good question! We hadn't considered that one. Off the top of my head, I'm going to say a thumbnail focusing on a donkey's doodah will not be welcome... but I can't see there being any problem with a full-size shot of a donkey who just happens to have a penis.

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My NEW All-Purpose Thumbnail. ;=) DPH

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I see a wave of horse bra and cow girdle props coming..;)

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Quote - From other comments I've read leading up to this, I'm in favor, I suppose. :sigh: This is part of the NSFW movement (Not Safe For Work). Personally, I NEVER visit Rendo at work. Period! I do NOT want my boss thinking I'm using the business internet browsing PORN! Things like THAT can cost people their jobs.

ummm....why are you lookin at pics on rendo when your workin anyway? surely you should be umm..... working?

@ zollster You didn't quote the entire post about looking at the internet on BREAK or LUNCH! If you want to quote, quote the whole thing so it will make sense. Quoting out of context is as bad as making up quotes and attributing the words to other people.

Next time get it right before opening your mouth.

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Quote - ummm....why are you lookin at pics on rendo when your workin anyway? surely you should be umm..... working?

Surely you jest? browsing websites was the only thing that made work bearable for me & I still managed to do more work than most of the people I worked with. :D

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thats cos they must all be a bunch of slackers! :D

@ Acadia - Don't worry, I'll include what you've mentioned! I'll try and have it up by the end of today. (Just pulled a night shift, so not sure how much longer I'll be awake.)

(Oh, and occasionally I stop by Rendo while at work, because, I am a slacker! Well, either that or because my job sometimes involves babysitting a computer for half an hour at a time while it does its own thing at 2am, eh, call it what you will.)

I work at home so I can surf the net at work with impunity

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Quote - thats cos they must all be a bunch of slackers! :D

That's one way to describe them I guess :D I still wake up some nights in a cold sweat remembering my time working with them.

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Sorry to bust in here, since I hardly post at the forums.

For me, this is a great rule. Why? I mainly post in the C4D galleries, because I use that program to render and model clothes, hair and props for my imported Poser figures. I would like to have more people from the C4D section to see my images, because I consider them artistic nudity and would like critisism on my lighting and modeling.

But I don't get critisism, because most of them have the nuditiy filter on to avoid facing Z-cups and other tasteless shit while their 10-year-olds are playing in the back of the room. Very understandable.

That's why I think this is a good rule. People can turn off the nudity filter, and view images that they find interesting that DO contain nudity, only they have a CHOICE which is not the case when nudity is allowed in thumbnails.

I'm actually quite sick and tired of people mocking this new rule, without considering that this is an ART gallery, not a Poser community. What harm would it do to give a little, to gain considerably more. Damn, this might even get you to receive comments from talented and renowned artists that right now still have their nudity filter on!

So...end of rant. Sorry about this, just had to share my opinion. Please do understand that 95% of gallery is nude, and so are my thumbs. It will take some time to adjust, but I do believe that it's in the best interest of this versatile community and that's what really matters.

Take care,
Sabra

One of the things that makes this place so attractive to people is that we can have fun, as long as we all follow them we can mock the new rules as much as we like.

So Lets all MOCK ON!!!! :b_grin:

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Fun is fun. It involves laughing and moving on.

Mocking people that are trying to make this website a better community and cluttering the galleries with useless thumbnails to boycot this rule is childish and not fit for an art site.

Just my opinion.

I'm still waithing for the button that'll weed out the non-nudes! Who needs artistic crap, just give me the Z-Cup porn!
DPH

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Makes you wonder why they have thumbnails at all if it causes this much fuss when they change the rules, why not just do away with thumbnails totally? you can't complain about seeing "boobies" in a thumbnail if there isn't a thumbnail can you? But then this would be a really boring website without the thumbnails wouldn't it?

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Yes, it would be a boring site without thumbnails. I agree wholeheartedly.

But is it too much to ask to alter your thumbs you a little? I mean, I posted thumbs with nudity and I don't mind because I figure, if this is in the best interest of our community then I'll deal with it.

All I'm saying is, make some minor concessions. For those who aren't into over-sized, exposed Poser models. For those who can recognise a good image but it's thumb even if it doesn't contain nudity.

Take care,
Sabra

P.S. I'm curious though, Lucifer_The_Dark, you have a strong opinion on the matter yet I remember seeing you don't post any images?

My last word... first the galleries became more and more restrictive via the TOS. Then posted replies to subjects like this are screened and censored... now thumbnails. The morality of a few who find nudity offensive should not be thrust upon others who don't. I go with if it bothers you... don't look. I support freedom and artist expression... and hate censorship! I find the whole moral majority offensive... it's vanity to force your morals and beliefs on another. I find the Christian churches main icon of the crucifix offensive, but I drive by them all the time without looking, and I find their literature on my door offensive, but do I rant on there door steps... no I toss it in with the trash and go on about my business. The whole point I'm trying to make... we continually cave in to a few... and we lose more and more of our freedoms.

P.S. Why do I find the Church offensive... through their actions and vanity of thinking their way to "God" is the only way... they nearly obliterated the language and religion of my peoples. I'm native American and darn proud it:)!!!!

I think everyone here has a valid point concerning this issue. While some of us love the bare naked boobs, others find them offensive and tasteless, this is an issue of one side meeting the other half way. We also have to remember that there are several community members that are...shall we say "underage", and yes we do have to be responsible and remember to use those pesky flags.

Don't show the whole boob, show some cleveage, or under boob, the side of a hip, a sexy pair of legs or sexy lips, something that says this is sexy, and flag your image as nude, that way we all win.

And please if you're going to post a nude image please, please, please, make it tasteful. If I want to see rauchy images I go to Renderotica.

Ask me a question, and I'll give you an answer.

Quote - P.S. I'm curious though, Lucifer_The_Dark, you have a strong opinion on the matter yet I remember seeing you don't post any images?

You're absolutely right, I chose a long time ago (while using a different name) not to post any of the renders I do anywhere, mostly because they're not good enough & partly because I hardly ever get to a point where I can stand back & say that's finished.

I personally don't worry about whether someone is going to be peering over my shoulder wondering what I'm looking at but if someone else has to then I don't see how making a thumbnail without added nudity is going to help, just being on this site is enough to get them in trouble.

ps sometimes you don't have to see a thumbnail to know whether the picture behind it is going to be good, hang around the galleries long enough you know who the ones to watch out for are.

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I actually agree also that is a wonderful rule. Here's why:

Places like www.cgsociety.org look a lot more professional. Why? Because some 10 year old didn't find the bigger boobs morph on his V3/V4 and wish to show it to us, in 90% of the posted images. I can understand artistic nudity, but Renderosity has become primarily a place to show off objectified and unrealistically proportioned women to the world.
As someone aspiring to become an artist at this, I prefer to be able to scan through Rosity during my lunch hour, trying to find images that catch my eye, that I can learn from, without fear of a coworker seeing something and it becoming an HR issue, or a rumourmill.
Just grow up. It's a thumbnail. So you can't show boobies. Oh boo hoos.

I have a few questions, you'll see what I'm getting at....

How many people here are women?
How many have children?
How many breast fed or feed ?
How many had to do so in the toilets of restaurants for fear of upsetting other customers?

Thumbnails today but what else tomorrow?

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Yes
Yes
Yes
No.

I'm not sure of your point?

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and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan Shire

Yes
Yes
Yes
No

I think the point Lucifer is trying to make that they miss their cyber boobies in thumbnails. And how because we took that away, society as we know it will remove all rights from women, causing global collapse and it's all directly related to what Renderosity has done.

Of course, what he fails to realize is that the new thumbnail rule is actually a step towards equality and treating women as people, and that it might help some men wake up and realize there is more to us than a chest, and they might just start realizing we have much more to contribute than they ever dreamed. So society gets better, all because of Renderosity.

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Of course, what he fails to realize is that the new thumbnail rule is actually a step towards equality and treating women as people, and that it might help some men wake up and realize there is more to us than a chest, and they might just start realizing we have much more to contribute than they ever dreamed.

yeah...theres also the washing...the ironing..the cooking... :D

Quote - I have a few questions, you'll see what I'm getting at....

How many people here are women?

peeks Girl

How many have children?
- Meowmy to 2 kitties :)
How many breast fed or feed ?

Ewwww!

How many had to do so in the toilets of restaurants for fear of upsetting other customers?

Can't say I've ever seen anyone breast feeding in a public toilet. But at the same time when I'm sitting in a restaurant eating I don't want to see a woman whip out her boob either. If she can do it discretely, fine. Otherwise leave the kid at home and use a breast pump and bottles.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Quote - Of course, what he fails to realize is that the new thumbnail rule is actually a step towards equality and treating women as people, and that it might help some men wake up and realize there is more to us than a chest, and they might just start realizing we have much more to contribute than they ever dreamed. So society gets better, all because of Renderosity.

If it's a step tyoward equality then why the double standard? Men are allowed to show nipples but women are not. How is that accomplishing the goal they stated of consistency? It only makes other worse inconsistencies. It's not about how women are treated by showing their chest anymore than it is by showing a man's hips. Each can contribute just as much or as little no matter what they show.

Maybe with all the nudity distracting people the essential point is being lost. Allowing some that have a problem with the thumbnails to force that onto everyone else is a mistake. Why wouldn't they just force them to set the nudity filter in their profile instead? That way the problem is eliminated without affecting the rest that don't have a problem with it

There are already systems in place and alternatives to solve this. Using an avatar instead of a thumbnail to represent the artists in the newsletter is one.

I'm not sure who they're trying to promote the artists to, but it is dishonest to have the thumbnails give a false impression of the art. Wouldn't they be more upset to be decieved than to see nudity in the thumbnails? If it were so offensive then why would they consent to anything that was promoted when they found out it was here, those aren't the client they would want to go after anyway right?

It's more likely that the drive toward consistency hasn't reached it's goal, it might not be planned yet but it certainly seems to be intended with the policies headed in that direction.

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I can follow these new rules easily enough but...

if someone is at work or has their child playing nearby and is worried about inappropriate content or nudity, why on earth would they not turn on the filter and still want the option of clicking to view the full image regardless of what the advisory tag says or thumbnail shows?

turn on the filter and u dont get the thumb or the image. which would be more appropriate than.. gee I will have a quick peek and hopefully i dont get caught out.

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If it's a step tyoward equality then why the double standard? Men are allowed to show nipples but women are not. How is that accomplishing the goal they stated of consistency? It only makes other worse inconsistencies. It's not about how women are treated by showing their chest anymore than it is by showing a man's hips. Each can contribute just as much or as little no matter what they show.

This very male way of thinking sickens me. A man's chest is not considered a sexual part of the body. You will notice in the new rules, that male sexual parts cannot be shown, nor can female. Hey, that means it's NOT a double standard. If you want to try to twist to support your own meaningless argument, go ahead. The issue isn't open for discussion. If you don't like the new system, don't post images. I don't recall them asking for a committee. It's already done. Deal with it.

I bet you that (at least some) gay males will find a male breast sexy. And I do, too, although I'm female. OTOH I don't see anything sexy AT ALL in a female breast. it's just that. Boobies leaves me cold.

What I'm interested in, and I can't find anything written about this is:

What about our existing thumbnails? Are we required to change them into something that does not include nudity? And if so, is it then enough to put a black bar over the bodyparts in question?

It's not that I have all that many thumbnails that feature nudity, I've always found that slightly vulgar myself. Even my pics on rotica and RaunchyMinds often have family-friendly thumbnails although the picture is not (but then people who browse the galleries on RM and Rotica probably knows what to expect L)

No, older thumbnails are not required to be changed, as stated in the article. There's just too damn many of them for us to effectively or realistically require that!

By the way... I find the sexiest part of a man is his earlobes. I've just got a thing about big lobes. Phwoar! But they can still be shown on thumbnails. So I'm okay! :lol:

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no cats here, and although I don't see any need for the new rule, it doesn't affect me personally. I suppose one could make a blanket statement that the worst pix in any 3D gallery are always poser renders featuring giant-nude-boob thumbnails, but that would be unfair to the users here, and unfair to the many artists who actually do excellent nude images.

This new rule didn´t affect me since I still don´t do nude works, I think that made a nude implies a loooooooot of work to don´t make it look like a porn.

But, in my personal opinion, there is nothing wrong with nude body (Specially female...hehe), and many of the greatest art works in the Art´s History are nudes (MichelAngelo´s David, Boticcelli´s Venus, Goya´s Maja desnuda (don´t kow the title in english)), but I can understand that parents don´t want his kids be exposed to (in their opinion) unnapropiated material. And, lets face it, not everybody made nudes with artistic intentions...

In the other hand, if its supposed to be an option to filter or not the nude/violent thumbs, why don´t just use it? I don´t think that all the responsability has to fall into the site.

But one thing, erotism and sensuality are not the same as porn...One is a sweet kiss in the lips, the other one is a kick in the nuts (Can I say nuts?)...

Perfection is a path, not a goal...

Speaking of earlobe... Have you seen this one? ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7RRLA2m6Yg

hmm...you may want to verify this, but I seem to remember a study saying dangling lobes showed an increased risk of heart attack...correlation, not causation..

Everybody has their favorites. I seem to remember hearing Japanese have a thing for long necks..some African countries go for overweight women, it goes on and on..;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)

Hahaha! No I hadn't seen that before, thanks!

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and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan Shire

Okay, here's a legit question. Under the new policy would this Thumbnail be acceptable? When I created it (it's an old one) my intention was to not have and blatant nudity. But, re-reading the new guidlines, there are restrictions on blood in the thumbs too!

The restrictions seem to be aimed at blatant violence, but this is one that might fall into a grey area. I just want to throw it out there to see where the lines are drawn. I think it is artful and good for the picture it represents. I would think it a shame if something liek this was unaccepatable, but in the end, I need to know so I don't get "slapped upside the head".

(I've tagged this for violence and nudity just incase, as I did with the original picture.)

Hi ThrommArcadia,

The violence guidelines for thumbs state that they shouldn't show an act of violence. Blood itself is okay, also minor bloody wounds and bruises.

In your image I don't actually know what that is on her torso, a bloody handprint? It doesn't appear to be a wound and there's no act of violence taking place, so I would say it's fine. (And her nipples aren't visible so no probs with the nudity.)

"you are terrifying
and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan Shire

Thanks Karen. I was never too worried about the nudity thing as I have avoided it in my thumbs in the past anyway (I believe in the art of teasing... is that so bad? ) but when I was re-reading the new rules i suddenly got really paranoid about the bloody weapons.

Anyway, thanks, I think this is a good guidline for me to go by on both accounts.

Oh well, since i am a proponent of NVIATWS art.... this will put a damper on my doodles
I guess y'all just have to work harder on more 'creative' thumb nails.

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*No depictions of injury being caused to any living creature. This includes, but is not limited to, injury from either piercing or edged weapons/tools, projectiles, fire/chemical burns, blunt force trauma, punching, kicking, slapping, strangulation or crushing. This also includes accidents and self-harm. Weapons may be shown providing a) they do not have blood on them, and b) the injured victim is not visible. Images of minor bruising, burns or bloody wounds that have already occurred are acceptable.

*That's for the thumbnails. Don't forget the guidelines for the actual images remain unchanged.

"you are terrifying
and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan Shire

something I mentioned to linkdink today: at first I questioned their decision on the nudie thumbs, having assumed that folks can block nudity in their gallery prefs. I block violence, but I don't block nudity, as I used to do alotta hard-core porno cartoons, hence I'm interested to see what folks here can do. (I also did b-t-k stuff, much to my embarrassment) :lol: what I learnt from one of the admins is that folks can surf the galleries here without being members, but the only way they can block nudity is to become members, meaning they can't avoid seeing the nudie thumbnails. this means some of 'em who came here to see something else might be shocked, and others who don't mind seeing nudie pix can't easily fix it so their boss won't see all that stuff over their shoulder, when they're at work. since there may be valid work-related reasons for non-members to check out the gallery, I hafta reluctantly accept their rule.

Hello all. Here's my input into this issue:
I think we have to consider outsiders who may visit Renderosity who may not have that acute appreciation for the human form when they are not prepared for it. For example, I work in a company of more than 15,000 employees, which has strict rules about what can be displayed on a corporate computer. In my company, you are actually in violation of employee rights if others see you viewing nudity because it is considered a form of sexual harassment. It's right up there with making sexual remarks and unwelcome advances towards other employees. Our company actually presents movies along with trained human resource personnel to all its employees about what is sexual harassment and what should be reported. We go through this training every year. Why? Because it only takes one person to get so ticked off that they run to a lawyer and cry lawsuit for the sake of harassment. So this is a counter measure.

Because of this, I am always concerned about anyone at my job that knows I have images at Renderosity. Myself, I don't produce nude images, but I'm worried that people I know who visit the site will be shocked by some of the images if they were not expecting it, especially if they are people I know at my job. I always have to tell those I know that if they visit this site to be mindful of who is around them and where they are because of the nudity.

Another crowd I am concerned for are those that may be viewing the Renderosity gallery while at home where their children or spouse may be around. Some of the material I've seen here is simply not Disney material. Granted there are many fascinating and admirable images. Unfortunately, I've seen some that I would not want my 12 year to see me even pass over on the computer, it is just not appropriate when trying to set an example of places you don't want them to go to.
I must admit, I am rather uneasy at times when I go through the Renderosity marketplace if others are around me. I basically have to try and shop when no one is around. Sounds silly? Put yourself in the shoes of an outsider viewing someone passing over icons of nude models, some of which are in rather suggestive positions. If they don’t know what site you are at or what your reason is for being there then you probably look like a pervert. I say this because my wife had a few wrong impressions of my going over the gallery. And I’m talking just by what is shown on the surface pages with icons. For example, in just the last week, I submitted some images. I typically go to the gallery right after a submission just to see my icon there and others around it. On one of the days last week when I did that low and behold on one of the surrounding gallery pages was some guy sitting on a rock totally exposing his family jewels to anyone who could see the page icons. I did not want to see that and was thankful no one I knew was with me at the time the page surfaced.
Maybe we should consider the level of standards other “well regarded” digital art galleries uphold. I stress the term “well regarded” because its too easy for anyone to throw up a site and say they are about digital art and put some pretty distasteful images up. Those kinds of sites we should distance ourselves from in the extreme.
And so in closing, I would like to say I think it is not only a good idea to appropriately mark what is behind the icon for the reasons mentioned above but also for the future growth and reputation of Renderosity. I'd like for others to know Renderosity as a fantastic digital art place that others can visit without concerns such as those described above.

Quote - what I learnt from one of the admins is that folks can surf the galleries here without being members, but the only way they can block nudity is to become members, meaning they can't avoid seeing the nudie thumbnails. this means some of 'em who came here to see something else might be shocked, and others who don't mind seeing nudie pix can't easily fix it so their boss won't see all that stuff over their shoulder, when they're at work. since there may be valid work-related reasons for non-members to check out the gallery, I hafta reluctantly accept their rule.

I can't believe nobody actually tests this. Log out of the site and try it.
- If you are not registered, you cannot surf the gallery (prompted to log in)

If you happen to know the name of a particular artist, you can Member Search while unregistered, but when you open their gallery, nudity is filtered by default and the thumbnails are all "Content Advisory".

The reasoning of "unregistered users might see titties" is specious and silly (not picking on you MissNancy, just pointing out fact).

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Quote - I think we have to consider outsiders who may visit Renderosity who may not have that acute appreciation for the human form when they are not prepared for it. For example, I work in a company of more than 15,000 employees, which has strict rules about what can be displayed on a corporate computer. In my company, you are actually in violation of employee rights if others see you viewing nudity because it is considered a form of sexual harassment.

I hate to break it to you, but whether anyone sees you or not, you're almost certainly in grievous violation of your company's policy anyway just for viewing the stuff all by your lonesome on company time. That isn't a great justification for the new policy either.

You ought to take advantage of the nudity filter. It's unreasonable to force hundreds of artists to conform to the needs of a pretty small number of complainers when a perfectly workable feature already exists to protect those sensitive types e.g. your kids and co-workers.

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Yep, when you click on the link to the galleries you are taken to a page with this:
**You need to login before you can access this portion of the site. Please enter a valid username and password at the prompt below. The password is case-sensitive.
**and the login boxes

If i search for a particular user's gallery, then it is displayed with the generic content advisory thumbs HOWEVER i am still able to click on those and actually access the full image itself it doesnt block me

...And when I am logged in with the nudity and violence filters switched on....
I get the content advisory thumbs BUT.......... i can STILL click on the thumb and view the whole image anyhow

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I can't believe nobody actually tests this. Log out of the site and try it.
- If you are not registered, you cannot surf the gallery (prompted to log in)

If you happen to know the name of a particular artist, you can Member Search while unregistered, but when you open their gallery, nudity is filtered by default and the thumbnails are all "Content Advisory".
The reasoning of "unregistered users might see titties" is specious and silly (not picking on you MissNancy, just pointing out fact).

The registration process is only an inconvenience, not a deterrent, to web surfers that is overcome within a few minutes. In the case of a PC that is shared by more than one user, it is possible that the Renderosity web cookies have been laid down onto the PC so that other users of that same PC can visit the site without themselves being registered users. This can easily happen when one of the shared users sees a web history link in the browser from another user and clicks it, which may direct them to the Renderosity site.

Now that I’ve explained that I would like to clarify something here. I’m not saying that nudity should be banned from Renderosity. Some of the most impressive images I’ve sen here contain nudity. I’m just saying that it should not be on the icons that people initially see. I actually do not even like the term “Nudity” in place of the icon. I think just the term “Advisory” along with a small caption of what the image contains is enough.

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I hate to break it to you, but whether anyone sees you or not, you're almost certainly in grievous violation of your company's policy anyway just for viewing the stuff all by your lonesome on company time. That isn't a great justification for the new policy either.

You ought to take advantage of the nudity filter. It's unreasonable to force hundreds of artists to conform to the needs of a pretty small number of complainers when a perfectly workable feature already exists to protect those sensitive types e.g. your kids and co-workers.

First let me say for those that are unaware that in a large company with an Information Technology department that there is most likely no such thing as looking at anything on a computer by your lonesome. Large companies like the one I work in have I.T. Security groups with specialized software that allows them to see what end users see. Typically, it only takes a phone call or some form of contact to these groups to monitor an employee based on a complaint.

Once this notice comes in, the accused person’s PC is remotely monitored for sites they are visiting; even pictures of what they are viewing are captured. This material is collected so it is brought to the table in a later meeting with the employee's supervisor as part of supporting evidence of any discipline that may take place.

Myself and others in the I.T. organization aware of this police activity obviously do not browse sites like Renderosity during work hours because of this. However, the vast majority of end users who think they are by their lonesome do not know of this or do not believe it and do so anyway.

Now, I’m not saying that Renderosity is a forbidden zone for large companies. I do believe that employees can have a legitimate reason for visiting the site such as the CAD groups or graphics departments in search of content for business presentation or design projects. The whole issue of concern is for those persons who may just be in the wrong place at the wrong time and see someone browsing a page that contains icons that are offensive to them. That is why I agree with that the icons should not be so revealing and rather be labeled appropriately.

I have a violence question. Dragons never existed, or at least not proven. If Vicky slays a dragon, is it violence????? It's not a "living" creature.

An interesting question drifterlee. I'm sure there are various opinions as there are various levels of violence. Which is more violent, a picture of someone plunging a sword into the chest of a living thing or a picture of a dead thing next to someone who slayed them? I would think the first case to be more violent. However, if in the second case the deceased victom was depicted in a gross decapitated manner such that their condition was gruesome, like a chopped off head with oozing blood all over the place and veins dripping it out (eww), then I would consider that to be overly detailed violence for some. Perhaps if we could see what the entertainment industry defines as rated PG, PG13, and R then we would have something to measure by.

Well, I never slay dragons so the question was academic.

In the case of a fantasy pic like that, the dragon would be a living creature within the context of the image, yes? So we would treat it the same way as an animal - we wouldn't want to see decapitation on the thumbnail.

"you are terrifying
and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan Shire

LOL! I never do it anyway, I just wondered!!!

Just to get this straight, I can show a half severed breast with lots of blood as long as there is no nipple or aureola, and as long as the knife that did it was not shown, Bloody guts hanging out of a stomach are OK cause they are not sexual and won't upset the kiddies. Thumbnails like this are OK?

Quote - Does this new rule only apply to humanoid shaped figures or does it apply just as equally to the animals? It might sound like a silly question but we are (underneath the clothes) merely animals ourselves, just slightly less intelligent than the rest.

Well, it does partially apply to catgirls.

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How many breast fed or feed ?

Ewwww!

How many had to do so in the toilets of restaurants for fear of upsetting other customers?

Can't say I've ever seen anyone breast feeding in a public toilet. But at the same time when I'm sitting in a restaurant eating I don't want to see a woman whip out her boob either. If she can do it discretely, fine. Otherwise leave the kid at home and use a breast pump and bottles.

First of all, this is not meant as a personal attack because I know many more people that think this way other than Acadia. But come on! This is part of what's wrong with the US in the first place. Breast feeding is natural for heaven's sake! Eww?

And God forbid a woman actually feed their baby in a restaurant where everyone else is, get this, eating also! It's sad that we treat something natural and wholesome (yes wholesome, there's incredible bonding of mother/child with breast feeding) as Ewww. sigh

Steve1950:
Just to get this straight, I can show a half severed breast with lots of blood as long as there is no nipple or aureola, and as long as the knife that did it was not shown, Bloody guts hanging out of a stomach are OK cause they are not sexual and won't upset the kiddies. Thumbnails like this are OK?

No - we said minor bloody wounds. Not half-severed appendages or disembowellings.

Chailynne:
Acadia doesn't have any children. The "EWWW!" response was about the idea of breast-feeding her cat, I believe. I certainly wouldn't recommend it, given the way they dig their claws into the momma-cats ;o)

"you are terrifying
and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan Shire

I just want to say thank you for the new policy.

I tried to peruse the gallery and, not being afraid of nudity, got hit in the face with the "monster tits of doom" that I try to avoid more times in one session than in my entire time here. So I will most likely stop looking at all but a couple of people's work.

I have no complaints with those that do like that genre, but I was able to make an informed desicion not to look when they were honestly represented on the thumbnail pages for what they were. Now I am unable to do so.

I must side with the "there were/are filters in place for a reason" crowd. I had reserved forming an opinion on this new policy until I could see what it's implementation was going to do. Well, my opinion is that it is crap. If I am going to click on images that I would have preffered to NOT see, I being one to just close the tab it's in and move along, I see this ending up generating even more complaints from the puritants, as now they can blame Renderosity for their viewing of even more material that they "would never, never ever" instead of accepting responsibility for thier tastes.

My gallery was pulled in reaction to DaVinci, not the thumbnail policy, before anyone tries to make it anything else.

Again, thank you to the ones that put this policy in place, I have alot more free time not that cruising the galleries is out of my routine.

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Okay, I'll give her that Karen. Though I do read these boards a lot, I don't care to remember details like who has kids and who has cats. ;)

But my response to the 4th one still stands. Women shouldn't have to hide breast feeding.

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No - we said minor bloody wounds. Not half-severed appendages or disembowellings.

So what is a minor bloody wound? Who decides that ? If we have a definition in advance it saves a lot of problems.

It's not possible to give a specific definition, Steve, since the human mind can sadly conceive an almost infinite variety of injuries to inflict.

"you are terrifying
and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan Shire

Take heart, Renderosity. These complainers whined when as children their toys were put aside; sniveled “I hate you” when mummy put the cookies away; can’t understand why there are rules for the protection of others; think their sexually-graphic digital scribbling is art; don’t understand that a website, like a club, may set whatever rules it likes; and don’t know what real censorship is because they don't know the definition of it and have never known it. These are small people, whiners who never grew up. You have a useful website. I'm glad you are talking control of it.

Quote - and don’t know what real censorship is because they don't know the definition of it and have never known it.

:m_laugh: :laugh: :lol:

Thank you, I needed that laugh.

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Hello **Orchid_Noir

**Sorry to hear you felt you had to pull your gallery. You may want to take a peek over at

http://www.cgsociety.org

I recently paid a membership for that digital art site and have not noticed them to have the same problems with image content as there is at Renderosity. Actually, the whole site there appears to simply be different that you may find appealing. Maybe its because you have to pay to be a member, who knows.

I don't know yet how abundant their marketplace is. I have found Renderosity to be a great place for shopping those odds and ends I need to complete some of my scenes.

Quote - Put yourself in the shoes of an outsider viewing someone passing over icons of nude models, some of which are in rather suggestive positions. If they don’t know what site you are at or what your reason is for being there then you probably look like a pervert.

I have a similar problem, imagine if someone passing by see that I am looking in some site at images of churches!, what they will think about me?, that I am a brainwashed religious fanatic!, how I shall explain it????
Nudity is more secure, at least they will think that I am one more normal "pervert"......

Stupidity also evolves!

I've posted this question before but either I didn't get an answer or it's me being dense.

If I tick the "No Nudity" option , I wouldn't want to see a nude picture or a thumbnail. Period.

If I dont tick the "No Nudity" option, why would I be offended by a nude thumbnail?

The answer must be that the majority of people out there only like nudes in hi resolution, not thumbnail size. I can't figure that one out.

The current policy creates a situation where the thumbnail shows a nice face - click on it and you get the monster tits. Waste of bandwidth. If you are looking for monster tits, you have to open every picture. Again, waste of bandwidth.

I myself have had a slight disagreement over what constitutes nudity but that I would have thought should revolve around whether or not the nudity flag should be placed. Now here, I have no problem accepting the decision of the moderators but the thumbnail shouldn't really need to be changed.

In another thread, I Posted this very same thing, but really, it is abundantly clear, although many would not like to see it for what it is.

There is two types of art in the catagory in question. Nude art meant to gain a sexual response or gratification, and nude art created to inspire reverance and respect of the human experienced form. Argue that as you will, as no doubt someone will, but unfortunately, since Renderosity is not in a position to define nor catagorize and speculate the enormous defining lines of seperation, the denominating factor equal to both, becomes screened.

Nudity.

Again, in another post, on another thread, I had to ask the same question. Though someone asks if they tick a box to see no nudity, they see no nudity, so if we do not want nudity we should use it.

What is so difficult to understand that I (or someone else) may indeed wish to view nudity, but NOT have enormous cropped images of areola's in our face, (as well as penile extravaganzas dealing with the other gender)? I was satisfied with the way the gallery was.......... I am satisfied with the change, as, truthfully, it is not that big of a deal to me to make me want to take my ball and go home. I have better things to think about and fight for righteously and zealously in my life than to boob or not to boob in a thumbnail.

Pre-packaged ideas of what people on both sides of the fence (and those straddling it) abound, such as who is the minority, the majority, religious backgrounds......... and right wing agendas. Yet, I hardly see a website wishing to "clean up " its image as bringing insurmountable oppression to the masses.

There is indeed, such a thing as going "down market". It is a pity, and a real shame, when that begins to happen. There is such a thing as desensitization, and of overexposure.

I also find it quite laughable, that there are some having issues cropping an image, for it to show NO nudity, had no problem cropping a beautiful square of nipple........ somehow, now it is a chore.

Woven throughout this issue, are the defining elements of taste, class and decorum. These things are not singularly related to religeon or race. Quite the contrary. It is a maturity to understand the audience that might view your artwork, and who you are subjecting it to. Artistic freedom though wonderful, does not give anyone the right to "not care" who is viewing it.

Though it is understandable to me, that those doing nudes who preferred to use the "whole" image, and not mask its content to an unwary viewer may be upset, those that cropped bits of anatomy for maximum effect....... I do not understand THEM.

None of these arguments are going to further art, bring innovative ideas, or enhance anyone's abilities. I am sorry if members have left because they disagree with the issue, but they have made their stand, and their choice, and I wish them well. However, those of us that are complacent or satisfied with the issue, are hardly the enemy, we just feel differently.

Quote - Steve1950:
Just to get this straight, I can show a half severed breast with lots of blood as long as there is no nipple or aureola, and as long as the knife that did it was not shown, Bloody guts hanging out of a stomach are OK cause they are not sexual and won't upset the kiddies. Thumbnails like this are OK?

No - we said minor bloody wounds. Not half-severed appendages or disembowellings.

Chailynne:
Acadia doesn't have any children. The "EWWW!" response was about the idea of breast-feeding her cat, I believe. I certainly wouldn't recommend it, given the way they dig their claws into the momma-cats ;o)

Yep! I don't have kids but I have 2 kitty cats and my "EWWW" was in said in relation to the idea of "breast feeding them", LOL

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able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

i thought nudity was already forbidden in thumbnails... i mean it certainly was in the marketplace, so why not in the galleries?

this isn't much of a change IMO, just a clarification. I still think too many people think there is some kind of connection between being offended by artwork and suffering an untimely death lol... in other words people need to seriously lighten up.

but if we use Renderosity we ultimately have to play by their rules, so not really a suprise there.

I can die now!!! I just had my first nudity in a thumbnail warning!!! SIGH Didn't really notice it when cropping the pic but after the warning came I zoomed in 300% and saw a wee bit of nipple action going on!!! I guess I should probably use that generic content advisory thumb some folks are using! C'est la vie!

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You are pure, you are snow
We are the useless sluts that they mould
Rock n roll is our epiphany
Culture, alienation, boredom and despair

shoot i wish my job included hunting through hundreds of thousands of thumbnails searching for illegal nudity!

I have been away for quite a while and decided to return to this - once - wonderful community of art, only to realize that there were certain changes I don't understand.
I still have not read a suitable explanation why thumbnails no longer may contain nudity. If somebody wishes to not be exposed to such images, I thought that would be prevented by excluding the display of nudity images in the options. What's the point of excluding nudity in thumbs?
I only see problems with it, but no benefits, as explained below.

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What is so difficult to understand that I (or someone else) may indeed wish to view nudity, but NOT have enormous cropped images of areola's in our face, (as well as penile extravaganzas dealing with the other gender)?

Does not make much sense, does it? So you want to view nudity, but not the exagerated type ( same with me ) - but now you can't tell which is which. Now you have to open all possible pictures, have an even more enormous areola in your face because you do not get warned by a thumbnail but get the "full" thing without preview. So where is the help? Now those who do not fearsomely desist from all nudity images, have to consume all pictures, including the exagerations, which they do not like or are even offended by it ( or vice versa if you like ).

Taking away the nudity in thumbnails is essentially taking away thumbnails for those pictures at all. There are pictures where nudity is important - it can show vulnerability, beauty, etc. - and essentially bear the picture's meaning. Something which should be transported by the thumbnail so that interested viewers can asses if that is indeed a picture they want to view or not. If that essence is cut out, there is not much sense for a thumbnail.
Additionally it is a significant disadvantage for pictures where nudity is important as their essence is cut out from the thumbnail while the essence of other pictures is not.

Quote - I'm still waithing for the button that'll weed out the non-nudes! Who needs artistic crap, just give me the Z-Cup porn!
DPH

So, where are the moderators? Where is the protection against such blunt generalizations against those who view nudity pictures? Not only is there the suggestions that those who view nudity are not interested in art but porn - which has to my knowledge never been part of this site - but clearly so in a rude tone. So by no means may you be offended by possible nudity ( something completely natural and something you should see every day at least when you wash yourself ) but offending others by words is ok - great! Do I here the words hypocracy whispered?
I find it interesting that there is the claim that nudity and art do not belong together - funny as some of the most apprised pieces of art are in fact nude representations, David by Michelangelo, etc.
If this is supposed to be an general art-community, I don't see a point of banning certain parts of it. So what if I am offended by cars, because the CO2 destroys our climate? Why not ban them from the galleries or at least the thumbnails? And thinking of that why not make it official and simply ban all pictures! That way no one could be offended at all! ( not counting those who are offended by "no-pictures sites" ;) )

Additionally there is the way of presenting the rule change. No explanation, only a link to the new TOS, that's it. If there would be an explanation about how the change came into being, there might be more understanding for it. Right at the logo it says "Art Community" it does not say "Art except nudity community" or "Art site". So nudity is part of art and we are a community - community means "together". If not all decide upon this - which I totally understand - at least there should be a slight information on the "why". That would mean together, community for me. And instead of community we now throw words at each other, declaring one side censors and the other ones porn addict pervs, although the truth is - as always - in between. The damage done by this rule change does - for me - far exceed the benefit from it.

P.S.: Sorry for bringing this up again, but as I said, I've been away for a while. At least I searched for a thread in the forums instead of opening up a new one. ;)

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What is so difficult to understand that I (or someone else) may indeed wish to view nudity, but NOT have enormous cropped images of areola's in our face, (as well as penile extravaganzas dealing with the other gender)?

Does not make much sense, does it?

Speaking as one whose contempt for R'osity's hypocritical prudery is bottomless as well as topless, I have to defend the first quote's POV. That is in fact one of the better arguments I've seen in favor of the thumbnail rule. If I enjoy looking at M's David, it does not follow that I would buy stamps showing only his penis. However, in general the kind of mind that would advertise a nude by displaying the money shot isn't likely to create a nude that I'd be even mildly interested in, even gynecologically. Most of us have motives a bit less complicated than layered irony.

And that is also one of the better arguments against the policy, as Orchid_Noir has pointed out. At least when some testosterone-addled weenie flashed his "Lookitthis!!!" thumbnail, I could tell at a glance that this, at least, was a piece of "art" I needn't trouble myself over.

I've started producing "art" again after a long silence during which I pulled my small gallery after a Carrollesque battle with the witch hunters. Frankly, I wouldn't even consider posting anything here, any more than I would recite poetry in a barroom. No disrespect to those that do, but I don't go near the galleries. I miss the conversation, but not enough to put up with the grief.

M

Y'kno, I usually stay out of this type of pathetic bantering but, seriously folks... this site belongs to Renderosity, not me or YOU! If you can't handle their rules, then get the F*CK OUT!!! Making a new thumbnail really and truly WON"T kill you! Hell, check my gallery(shameless plug) and you won't find any nudes but, you WILL see that I made individual thumbs for each pic! And hey, I actually enjoyed taking the time to decide what part of the pic I was going to highlight. Imagine that!

Now before some mindless robot starts flaming me with their anti-freedom-of-speech campaign, let me just say that I'm on YOUR side too! It's 2007 and now we're finally worried about nudity in thumbnails all of the sudden? Kinda late, ain't it?

Here's a nice rational idea that could actually work!
And to all Rendo coords and mods, if you think this idea sucks...tell me!

What you do is make the existing gallery a nudity allowed location complete with an opening disclaimer page, warning any who enter that they WILL see nudity and Renderosity accepts no responsibility for any damages that could occur from said viewer continuing.
Next, you set up a second gallery for non-nude pics and put strict guidelines on what type of stuff is allowed. Maybe even have a page setup showing DO and DON'T type renders so that the members can actually SEE what you're talking about.

And for those who do non-nude stuff(like me), yeah sure, you're more likely to get viewed in the nude section but, be reasonable and put it where it belongs!

Seriously folks, this could work if EVERYBODY follows a few simple rules. Don't like rules? See the opening paragraph!

Nnnyehh!!!

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...and when the day is dawning...I have to say goodbye...a last look back into...your broken eyes.

Quote - I have been away for quite a while and decided to return to this - once - wonderful community of art, only to realize that there were certain changes I don't understand.
I still have not read a suitable explanation why thumbnails no longer may contain nudity. If somebody wishes to not be exposed to such images, I thought that would be prevented by excluding the display of nudity images in the options. What's the point of excluding nudity in thumbs?

I didn't make the rule, but I do agree with it for the most part.

I am not a prude and nudity does not offend me. I also don't view the gallery from any place other than my home, so I have no need to use the nudity filter.

However, IMO prior to the "no nudity in thumbnail" policy change, I found the gallery arrival pages looking more like a XXX porn sites or ads in the back of porn magazines (yes, I told you I'm not a prude, so I do know what those things look like). Most thumbnails were close up shots of "tits and ass". Just because I don't mind looking at nudes, doesn't mean that when I go to the gallery that I want to be smacked in the face by dozens of 200 x 200 pixel thumbnails of a giant boobie or butt crack.

Also, I don't care how Renderosity tries to dance around the issue with all of the fancy double talk about the reason, IMO the reason for the change was exactly what I said above.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Quote - And that is also one of the better arguments against the policy, as Orchid_Noir has pointed out. At least when some testosterone-addled weenie flashed his "Lookitthis!!!" thumbnail, I could tell at a glance that this, at least, was a piece of "art" I needn't trouble myself over.

Unfortunately it's because of the gross amounts of the "lookitthis" thumbnails that there was a policy change. If it had only been a few, I doubt the policy would have changed. However, so many tried to increase their image views and very many took to using that tactic to pull people into their image to get a "view" count on the image that the gallery arrival pages were flooded with close ups of "tits and ass".

There is no doubt about it, we are a sick society and nudity, violence and other people's tragedies are circus side shows for many people and they have to stop and have a look.

Unfortunately when people show no self control it becomes necessary to impose rules to force the issue, and that is exactly what Renderosity has done.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

*Additionally there is the way of presenting the rule change. No explanation, only a link to the new TOS, that's it

ZeroSynner

We did post a Front page article before the policy became effective with some information on the various reasons (and YES there was more than one reason) for the change. The link was in the first post that moderator wheatpenny made.

http://www.renderosity.com/news.php?viewStory=13431

Just wanted to show you this link again so you can read through the Front Page article as it seems you may have missed the actual announcement and instead just saw the Updated thumbnail policy:)

Welcome back BTW

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And that is also one of the better arguments against the policy, as Orchid_Noir has pointed out. At least when some testosterone-addled weenie flashed his "Lookitthis!!!" thumbnail, I could tell at a glance that this, at least, was a piece of "art" I needn't trouble myself over.

Which is exactly what I tried to say, but obviously failed. ;) The problem I see is that you now have to search through all those "giant genitals of the day" pictures if you are indeed looking for touching art, which may contain nudity.

Quote - Y'kno, I usually stay out of this type of pathetic bantering but, seriously folks... this site belongs to Renderosity, not me or YOU! If you can't handle their rules, then get the F*CK OUT!!!

I did not say I can't handle them, I just pointed out some problems I see and asked for clarification - which I received ( comments see below ). I - at least not intended - never insulted somebody or anyone, merely raised some questions and in my eyes valid points. Why you see this sufficient to exclusively start "pathetic bantering" I don't understand. But again I find this funny. No nudity in thumbs allowed ( even with censor marks ), but you may use rude language - granted with censor marks as well.

Quote - Making a new thumbnail really and truly WON"T kill you!

I never said it would and I never used the automated thumbnail generator, always did create thumbs myself. I was merely raising the point that nudity is essential for some images and thumbnails are supposed to give a sufficient preview of the picture. Leaving out something possibly essential reduces the usefulness of thumbnails to nearly zero.

Quote - Most thumbnails were close up shots of "tits and ass".

If so - which I can't evaluate, because I was away for some time - then why not simply forbid "tits and ass" thumbnails?

Quote - We did post a Front page article before the policy became effective with some information on the various reasons (and YES there was more than one reason) for the change. The link was in the first post that moderator wheatpenny made.

This was clearly my bad and I apologize. I am using a browser with "tabs" and when I first "stumbled" upon the new thumb-policy I opened it in a tab. Realizing the change and the fact that I was away for quite long I began searching the forums for some explanation or "official" thread, found this one and read it completely before answering. When I opened the link in the first post, also in a tab, I must have clicked on the wrong tab afterwards. Because what I thought was that link, only contained the new policy as presented in the "upload" screen ( I assume I clicked on the old tab ).
I now read the real link and the reasons behind this, which I understand. While I still don't think that this was the best solution possible from an artist point of view, I realize it was probably the best considering administrative points of view and that of workload.
I sincerely apologize for claiming you would leave the community uninformed about the reasons and would only confront them with the change. This complain was due to ignorance not malice. :)

As for that thanks for pointing this out to me and thanks for reading my words and considering my points. and thanks for welcoming me back! :)

First, welcome back, and I assure you, it is still a wonderful place.

I've thought about, and debated this issue so many times, I've had a great ephipany on the realm of thumbnails and the regulations. Again, not everyone will agree with me, and that of course, is their perogative. However, I see this metaphor effective:

kid: (whining) "But I want another enormous cookie!"
Mom: (frustrated) "No, You've had enough and its making you sick".

Why does this fit? because its true. At least as far as I see it. Dude, I love nudity in artistic light, I comment all the time on lovely images of the nude, completely bare human form, male and female. I have even commented, and thoroughly enjoyed, and pondered visually some enticing lingering images of couples. So why then, would I be pretty okay with this rule?

There really is a difference between artistic beauty of the human form and "hey guys, lookit this titty!". When 8 out of 10 thumbnails were of some peice of private anatomy, in uber close up......... its mind numbing, annoying, and rather crass. Some of the nudes behind them may have been great, but know what I was REALLY thinking seeing all these flooding close up thumbnails?

Me thinking: 1. Please, go out and find a partner and get some real action. 2. I am glad you bought victoria.... I own her too, I've seen her nude, buy some clothes and learn morphs other than "breast size xxxx". And finally......3. A man's penis doesn't generally look like a white wax taper candle.... and of the same length and girth.

Aren't these thoughts insulting if you were the artist who made them? But THAT IS THE IMPRESSION given when its "here's her hooters!" The sleaze factor here was getting slightly high.

Incidentally, I did an image called "Au Naturelle"....... the thumbnail is nothing but a black square. Thats right, a black square with the nudity tag and a nudity warning. It has not hurt for views......... matter of fact, its got PLENTY. So the schtick no one will look at a cropped thumbnail, well that debate died on the floor a long time ago for me.

Very well said :)

Quote - First, welcome back, and I assure you, it is still a wonderful place.

I've thought about, and debated this issue so many times, I've had a great ephipany on the realm of thumbnails and the regulations. Again, not everyone will agree with me, and that of course, is their perogative. However, I see this metaphor effective:

kid: (whining) "But I want another enormous cookie!"
Mom: (frustrated) "No, You've had enough and its making you sick".

Why does this fit? because its true. At least as far as I see it. Dude, I love nudity in artistic light, I comment all the time on lovely images of the nude, completely bare human form, male and female. I have even commented, and thoroughly enjoyed, and pondered visually some enticing lingering images of couples. So why then, would I be pretty okay with this rule?

There really is a difference between artistic beauty of the human form and "hey guys, lookit this titty!".   When 8 out of 10 thumbnails were of some peice of private anatomy, in uber close up......... its mind numbing, annoying, and rather crass. Some of the nudes behind them may have been great, but know what I was REALLY thinking seeing all these flooding close up thumbnails?

Me thinking: 1. Please, go out and find a partner and get some real action.   2. I am glad you bought victoria.... I own her too, I've seen her nude, buy some clothes and learn morphs other than "breast size xxxx". And finally......3. A man's penis doesn't generally look like a white wax taper candle.... and of the same length and girth.

Aren't these thoughts insulting if you were the artist who made them? But THAT IS THE IMPRESSION given when its "here's her hooters!"    The sleaze factor here was getting slightly high.

Incidentally, I did an image called "Au Naturelle"....... the thumbnail is nothing but a black square. Thats right, a black square with the nudity tag and a nudity warning. It has not hurt for views......... matter of fact, its got PLENTY. So the schtick no one will look at a cropped thumbnail, well that debate died on the floor a long time ago for me.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

No worries Zero:) This thread is long and I wasn't sure if you saw the link to the announcement that was made and just wanted to add it so that you could read through maybe answering some questions you had.

Looking forward to viewing your artwork!!

Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL

Subject: New Thumbnail policy