"Yes, my identity information and credit card risk is a lot more important than the thumbnail rules change was.  So is yours. "

So....How it you know I even have a credit card?

I think you have some splainin to do

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@ Gill...

I owe you an apology...I had forgotten about the Mail-washer thing...( Was actually hoping another Mailwasher user might step in to address that, and forgot about our exchange yesterday)

BUT...when Rosity sends out an e-mail to you..( E-Bot, Newsletter, Love-Letter, Dear-John letter,etc.) Does it not have the destination E-Mail address attached to it?...I would assume it would have to...otherwise...it would not know where to go.

Routers along the way would reject it as undeliverable, I would imagine, because it wouldn't contain the directions to you.

Just because it stays on your server until you download it (Which You don't)...doesn't mean that it might not contain the E-Mail address information of the recipient it was intended to reach.. and thus susceptible to "En-snatchment" at any of those points along the path.

Additionally...And as mentioned...I you didn't "Bounce it"( Why Would You..unless it was a Dear John letter...lol ) which would likely take a similar if not exact route back..It wouldn't take any path back, and the interceptor"says "We Have a Winner"...No Bounce.

Again...I apologize for forgetting about, and failing to digest and explore the Mail-Washer Thing.

"En-snatchment" ...Hey...I like that word..

8 )

Tom

Quote - Sorry, but its just the way email works....

I fully understand how email works and how addresses can be gathered.  I can think of many scenarios that haven't been mentioned, in fact.  All of these are pretty unlikely.  The by-far most likely explanation remains that it was directly leaked from Rendo.  The simplest explanation tends to be the correct one.

No Rendo/Bondware administrative staff have addressed this with any degree of diligence.  A simple "nope, wasn't us" is not sufficient. 

Please...Do provide for me "Your Qualifications"  and "Your Factual information". (Other than the Duck theory that is)

It seems to me that the consensus here supports or at least conceder's my explanations...Yet I see few supporting your "Duck Theory".

As I said...I'm not a genius. (You had other ways of describing my "experience") But I Think I've offered up a bit more technical possibilities here, than you have. Or to the contrary.

Until the "Shut Up" remark, I had actually started to see improvement in your demeanor.

I mean...you went all the way from

**"I'd gotten one the other day, now I've just gotten a second one.  It'd be either Rendo or DAZ that sold my address out."
**
To:

I still strongly suspect Rendo of being the breach.  There are certainly some other interesting theories,

I do have confidence in you though...in fact....I quite like you. I like anyone who brings amusement to the community.

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Tom

Attached Link: Mail Washer program

Sigh.  I guess I can expect another post from site management patting Hawkfyr on the head for clouding the issue as much as possible.

Hawkfyr:  You.  Can.  Not.  Address.  This.  Problem.  In.  Any.  Useful.  Way.  WHATSOEVER.  This is a matter that can only be investigated and addressed by Rendo site admin staff.  Your experience or knowledge or mystical comprehension of The Encompassing All have absolutely no bearing on what happened, it's only speculation.  I could ask a bum on the street what happened if I wanted that kind of meaningless dross.  You don't work for Rendo, you don't work for Bondware, and you have no valuable or pertinent information regarding this matter at all.  Your sneering responses do nothing but fluff your own ego.

Thanks You  Ardiva

I was quite happy with Mailwasher also...It stopped lots of Spam...but not all...I'd probably still use it if the free version supported multiple accounts.

(SPAM simply doesn't bother me enough to buy it)

Anyway...I wish you hadn't deleted it... a dig through the properties might reveal if that E-Mail information (Yours) was nestled in there somewhere.

Again...I don't have it anymore...and have no way to confirm that.

Maybe the next e-bot you get...you can check it out  for me before you delete it.

That would go a long way in eliminating  my theory as a possibility.

(I don't mind being wrong...I just try to base my theories of facts if available)

Again...Thank you for participating in helping find a solution. 

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Tom

"Speculation?"

You wouldn't happen to have a mirror handy would you?

Tom

Ok..reading this from MW...I'll check the headers:I don't mind having my email addy show up. I have MW. lol

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ps..I used to be with Cox.net until they were bought out by Suddenlink.

Is this your E-Mail Address?

helenc@suddenlink.net;

Quote - Is this your E-Mail Address?

helenc@suddenlink.net;

Yep!

Also would like to say that I rarely use my OE unless I get mail from a friend.

There's your Duck

I rest my case.

Thank You Ardiva

Thank You very much.

Tom

Quote - There's your Duck

 

I rest my case.

 

 

Thank You Ardiva

Thank You very much.

 

Tom

You're quite welcome, Tom. Is this "duck" lame? lol

8 )

BTW the helenc@cox.net E-Mail re-direct...is a double ducky.

Thanks again.

Tom

Quote - Naw... just needs a little luvin.

 

8 )

 

BTW the helenc@cox.net E-Mail re-direct...is a double ducky.

 

Thanks again.

 

Tom

Yeah, Suddenlink said that they would be re-directing our emails for awhile.

The most common method of getting emails is using a spider that goes through any site entirely, down to the smallest detail and gathers all the emails it finds as well as sending other spiders to any links it finds on the site. There is no such thing as a safe email address. It's the reality of the current internet. All my email goes to the server of my isp. I can go to the server and delete all spam from the email and never download it to my computer. This is very nice for me as I can delete any suspicious emails as well. I don't mind a bit the few minutes it takes to do it.

OK but if we were to accept the 101 ways to harvest an email address, why would it take 2 or 3 years for mine to suddenly be compromised?  I've been using dedicated addresses as previously mentioned at other 3D sites for the same amount of time and no spam has ever come through from those.

On  certain other sites that are less secure with their info, I have to drop the old and create a new address every few weeks because of the amount of spam they get 

Justa thought

Is there any point in asking?  Some random person will just step up and put forth a vanishingly unlikely theory and rest his case.  Here, I'll save you some time:  hyper-evolved ants gnawed through the wires outside your house, converted the electrical signal to chemical, hot-footed it back to the queen, who then sent you spam.  It couldn't be that someone took a hundred bucks in exchange for 500,000 of verified valid email addresses, I mean, that'd be unthinkable.
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-52,GGLJ:en&q=buy+lists+email+addresses

*"It couldn't be that someone took a hundred bucks in exchange for 500,000 of verified valid email addresses, I mean, that'd be unthinkable."
*I'm still surprised that no admin has adressed this serious accusation.

sigh  
Place up as many theories as you want.
The only email address that will never get spam is the email address that never communicates (either way, sending or receiving) outside an internal network.  (Even then, if the ladies in accounting get your email addy, you'll get forwards up the wazoo.)  But, seriously, that's the reality of the internet.  The only safe email address is either an uncreated one or one that is an internal-network only one.

Quote -

Renderosity does not distribute email addresses, No One on our staff . And our site has not been hacked.

Actually, Stacey addressed the fact.  Here's the quote.

The accusation is that an individual may have sold email addresses. Nowhere in this thread is that possibility irrefutably denied. To say that it is not Renderositys policy to distribute email addresses is not a denial of the accusation.
If this has not happened why could an Admin not stated so clearly at the beginning of the thread? 
Instead we got the atack dogs attempting to humiliate and denigrate any one who dares to ask.

Ok, so, here's what I want.  Because, really, between the two of you, my ears are bleeding.

Can either of you explain how I got the exact same spam message that's posted in post 1 to THREE email addresses that have NOTHING to do with Renderosity?

If you can, then, I'll shut up and go away.

Jen I'm not asking how members have received spam. There are many possible ways as have been mentioned above. I'm asking an admin, not you or Hawkfyr, why they cannot address the accussation with a simple yes or no answer.

Sorry to hear about your ears.

Quote - The most common method of getting emails is using a spider that goes through any site entirely, down to the smallest detail and gathers all the emails it finds as well as sending other spiders to any links it finds on the site. There is no such thing as a safe email address. It's the reality of the current internet. All my email goes to the server of my isp. I can go to the server and delete all spam from the email and never download it to my computer. This is very nice for me as I can delete any suspicious emails as well. I don't mind a bit the few minutes it takes to do it.

This is exactly how Mail Washer works. :)

Curiously enough, the only thing that went through the mind of the bowl of petunias as if fell was "Oh no, not again".

Quote - Ok, so, here's what I want.  Because, really, between the two of you, my ears are bleeding.

Can either of you explain how I got the exact same spam message that's posted in post 1 to THREE email addresses that have NOTHING to do with Renderosity?

If you can, then, I'll shut up and go away.

Yes a very simple explaination - your 3 addresses were on the same list/CD whatever.  

I received the same spam on more than one account but I expected spam on those, not my rendo mail account.

Hi Gill

Why you suddenly started getting it now could also involve 100's of reasons...Maybe said Dirty Rat, recently started working, or having access to, one of those many points along the way...Or...someone that has had access for a long time...decided he needed a few extra bux.

Also...New Points are constantly being integrated, that provide new or alternate route's for data to be transferred....Again...It could be many reasons why Suddenly now.

I agree that It could be that someone took a hundred bucks in exchange for 500,000 of verified, valid addresses....in fact...I'd wager that it exactly what happened.

My effort  wasn't to prove that said Dirty Rat was not a Representative of Renderosity...But that the possibility of the Addresses being acquired otherwise exists.

(And Likely IMHO)

Proof..and Opinions, and two very different things. Again...My efforts were to prove that it could have happened otherwise, and therefore outside of Rosity's to control and/or explain. To expect Them to "Prove" it was not them...is simply unrealistic.

It's like... **"**How do you Prove you don't have something?"...you can't....You can only offer up alternative possibilities that leave room for "Reasonable Doubt".

.

My efforts were to offer up one of those alternate possibilities, to those insisting, Rosity must" be the culprit..without any investigation,  Just  Sensational claims, lofty expectations,and the typical" I know more than you so just shut up".

Again...It's "Contempt Prior To Investigation"

The other possibilities reach far and wide...my effort was to show just one.

I can offer no proof as to why it only recently happened...I don't think anyone could. ..only that it could be one, among thousands of reasons, given the "FACT", that the E-mails could have been acquired in one of thousands of ways.

Again... my effort was not to "Prove" Renderosity is not the culprit, but rather that another possibility exists...and the existence of that possibility....is reasonable doubt.

Tom

I am now locking this thread as the original questions were answered by admin.

No our site wasn't hacked
No we don't distribute email addresses
No one on our admin team sold email addresses... not now not ever.

There are so many possibilities as to how spammers get your email address and some helpful members have thrown up these possibilites (as well as JeniferC and myself) so the original topic of this thread has been answered.