Taking requests for some freebie lip morphs offered as INJ poses for Victoria 4.  I don't promise these will change your life, but I think they'd be fairly simple to do and I don't think you can beat the price.  If anyone (estherau) has specific things they'd like, please try to give me a photo or other graphical reference of some kind.

Some possibilities:

The incomparable Milla Jovovich:
http://gallery.millanews.com/details.php?image_id=213

The mighty musclebound lips of Angelina Jolie (a bit intimidating in this image):
http://www.jurassicpunk.com/stars/angelinajolie/angelina_jolie_9.jpg
Ms. Jolie's lips continue to get more and more barroque.  I think they have their own wiki somewhere out there.

Some distinctive "bow" lips:
http://www.hqhair.com/images/pages/urbandecay-mainbodyimage.jpg

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A prototype.  The mesh.

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I think anything is great with exception of "pouty mouths".  I am not a fan of a character with lips and a mouth so small it looks like she needs to take her meals using a straw...LOL!!!  Actually, I like your three examples myself.

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A render with the V4 standard mats, Glamour makeup.

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Artsy Fartsy.  Please ignore the horrible materials cockup at the jawline, I've managed to seriously screw my materials because of mixing some various materials setting up.  It's got nothing to do with the morph itself.

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Repaired materials (actually moved the morph to a new clean figure)

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Some expression...

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A bit of Pucker and PartCenter...  I'm off to sleep, I suspect I'll be bothered by dreams of bee-stung lips taunting me, teasing me.

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That is some wonderful work PJ :)

I don't know if this has been done already, but for the idea sake I'll toss it out there...
I was scrutinizing Jessica Simpson's face and build yesterday.
Fine tuning body geometry is still a tad beyond my...  skill and patience. Especially patience.
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Show me a picture and I'll try to make a morph for it.  This isn't really that difficult, and I could bundle several morphs into one set of INJ/REM poses, for free.  This was pretty quick to do, about 30 minutes (it's a very simple morph after all) ... but Sleep -> Work for the next 20 hours or so.

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Full lips are nice, but please don't neglect those thin lips!  Don't have any pictures or examples, sorry.

Your morphs are outstanding. I am impressed.
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pjz99, lovely work!  Those are very nice lips indeed. The "repaired materials" shot is particularly attractive, very flattering to the morph.

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This/these will be offered as a freebie to whoever wants them.  Any other interests or requests?  I think a "thin lips" look is pretty easy to achieve with the already-present morphs but if there is some special shape, help me visualize it and I'll try my hand at a morph. 

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Hi **pjz99

**Your morphs are great.

Anatonically the lower lip should have a volume double (more or less) than the upper.

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Jessica Simpson seems to have had some rather heinous things done to her lips:
http://www.gossiprocks.com/forum/lip-augmentation/6198-jessica-simpsons-lips.html

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Here I am in my very own lip thread. wow, that looks great. No, I mean supurb!!! It's close to what I asked for before. Do u need me to post those ones again at all? Will we be able to adjust parts of those morphs separately eg the sides of the lips the bulges on each side of the middle, and the top lip separately, because that would be very useful? Love esther

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I aim to update it about once a month.  Oh, and it's free!

A more straight across the bottom part of the border of the lower lip like a male lip would also be cool. Love esther

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I aim to update it about once a month.  Oh, and it's free!

It's just another morph target, that affects only the mouth and the philtrum.  It ought to mix with any other face morph just fine, although if you mix with a specific face morph that heavily reshapes the mouth there might be some problems.  

At this time it's a single morph that affects the whole mouth, but it literally took me 30 minutes to do, so making separate morphs that do different things like exaggerate the left/right bulge on the lower lip shouldn't be very hard.  Either show me a picture with some notes that explains exactly what you want, or state it as explicitly as you possibly can in writing.  You could likely do this just as well on your own if you have P7, or practically any external modeling app, it really wasn't very hard.

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Actually I have C4D but I'm a newbie and am just using it for rendering. I did hear though that as soon as you start adjusting a model in C4D that it rearranges the vertices and you can't get the bit to work as it was in poser anymore. I found the morphing brush a bit too clunky in poser 7 to do much. What you have done is absolutely amazing. I will send you some pics. Love esther

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I aim to update it about once a month.  Oh, and it's free!

If your modeling app is rearranging vertices then it is doing something very wrong.  As long as you stick to the Wavefront OBJ format it really ought to be pretty straightforward.  This was done with the P7 morph brush - did you know you can simply scale the whole figure up 500% or 1000%, make your morph target, scale back down to 100% when you are finished?  it makes zooming in very close a lot more comfortable.

Quote - A more straight across the bottom part of the border of the lower lip like a male lip would also be cool. Love esther

 

That's doable.  How about some kind of transition between smooth curve and a stylized sharper, angular shape?

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Yeah some thinner lips would be super.  Tried hard to make myself for fun and the lips were impossible - all poser models have apparently had extensive lip injections....

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these are all the separate part s which would be good to have as separately morphable if possible. The divit bit is pointing at the top lip. Love esther

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I aim to update it about once a month.  Oh, and it's free!

jjroland could you give me a photo example or something like that to help me understand what you'd like?  

Esther I'm pretty sure I can make separate morphs for each of those things.I'll mess with it when I get off work again (around 9 hours).

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oooh thanks!! And the combined one I still want to have too though. Love esther

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I aim to update it about once a month.  Oh, and it's free!

Since that one is already done, nothing lost, no problem!

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It occurs to me that I've been wanting a forked tongue morph for quite some time now (since V4 was released), so I'll work on that as well and throw it into this selection of freebies.  That'll probably be the most difficult one by a long shot.

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Where were we.  Here's our default lips mesh, zero morphs.

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Rendered with DAZ high-rez mats and Glamour makeup.

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LipBottomValley at 1 mesh.

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LipBottomValley rendered at 1 on the slider (full morph).  Note this is almost certainly more exaggerated than you would like, but this leaves you room to move the slider where you like it.

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LipBottomValley at .5 on the slider (half morph).

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LipBottomBulge mesh.

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LipBottomBulge at rendered at 1 (full morph).

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LipBottomBulge at one half.

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LipTopHangeyDowney (sorry :blushing: ) mesh.

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LipTopHangeyDowney rendered at 1 on the slider.

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LipTopHangeyDowney at half with more aggressive contrast lighting (it's kind of a subtle morph, I don't want to make it look deformed/cleft palate).

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Reloaded each of the morphs onto a fresh V4 and mixed together...

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Slider settings for same.

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Lip Girl is looking a mite pissy so I'm going to give her the rest of the night off.  I'll pick these up again after I get some sleep.  Comments and suggestions welcome.

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Please let's not see any Jessica Simpson plastic Surgery lips! Janice Dickinson is another pair of ruined lips these days thanks to plastic butchery! Has anyone seen her new modeling show on cable? Yikes! These morphs look great PJ, Keep up the good work. Will these be for sale?

Great work!

V4 is needing more lip morphs (as well as a ton of other morphs)

These look great.

These will be offered free, at the very least from here at Rendo, and maybe other places where appropriate (DAZ Freepository perhaps).

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That looks like the shot! Good work. Love esther

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I aim to update it about once a month.  Oh, and it's free!

Back to the salt mines ... LipBottomTrapezoid mesh.

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Rendered at 1 on the slider.

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LipBottomTrapezoid rendered at one half.

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I think the lip morphs are pretty much done.  Just about everything else I can think of that you'd reasonably want can be got with the built in sliders.  A mix of settings...

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Settings...

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woo hoo. It will be good to see all the new characters that V4 can be. I hope she is happy with them. Love esther

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I aim to update it about once a month.  Oh, and it's free!

Doing a little bit of showcase rendering and then I'm going to try for that forked tongue morph.  Glad you like em :)

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High contrast...

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Wonderful morphs pjz99!  Thanks for making these freebies! 

How about Drew Barrymore?  She has some beautifully shaped lips:

http://www.famousbabes.com/pics118/drew/drew117.jpg
http://www.famousbabes.com/pics118/drew/drew062.jpg
http://www.famousbabes.com/pics118/drew/drew043.jpg
http://www.famousbabes.com/pics118/drew/drew034.jpg

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Why don't you tell your dreams to me
Fantasy will set you free." - Steppenwolf

Looking at those, I'm pretty sure the built-in morphs can already do lips like hers - I'll make a stab at settings and see if you like them.  The first one is mostly makeup, the way her bottom lip is made to look.

Edit:  seems like the big distinctive feature about Ms. Barrymore's lips is the way the outer part of the top lip is very shallow.  Pretty sure I can duplicate that with the built in morphs, give me just a bit.

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Thanks. 

I haven't played around with the lip morphs much, so I really don't have a good idea of what can or cannot be done.  So I'll just throw out some suggestions and you can take a crack at whatever strikes your fancy. 

Fairuza Balk:

http://www.fairuza.net/gallery/photoshoots/b01cor.jpg
http://www.fairuza.net/gallery/photoshoots/fairuza+balk+32.jpg
http://www.fairuza.net/gallery/photoshoots/xpic11.jpg
http://www.fairuza.net/gallery/photoshoots/xpic15.jpg

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Why don't you tell your dreams to me
Fantasy will set you free." - Steppenwolf

Meredith Salenger (beautiful lips...beautiful everything!)

http://web.telia.com/~u87704415/index.html/msigned2.html
http://web.telia.com/~u87704415/index.html/msigned1.html
http://web.telia.com/~u87706334/index.html/m14.html
http://web.telia.com/~u87706334/index.html/m28.html
http://web.telia.com/~u87706334/index.html/m46.html
http://web.telia.com/~u87706334/index.html/m29.html

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Why don't you tell your dreams to me
Fantasy will set you free." - Steppenwolf

Ms. Balk's lips you could get to with this LipBottomTrapezoid morph, and making the lower lip wider (ought to do it).

Ms. Salenger - that looks like another separate morph I think, to yank down the space between the ridges of the philtrum.  I did that with the Lips-Bow "full lips" morph but didn't think to make it separate.  Easily added...

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Another high-contrast... ps: blame DAZ for those bumpy-ass teeth.

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Michelle Pfeiffer (she's got very signature lips )

http://www.pfeiffertheface.com/MAGAZINES/PIC/COV/1989-15.jpg
http://www.pfeiffertheface.com/MAGAZINES/1984_PromLH/01.jpg
http://www.pfeiffertheface.com/MAGAZINES/cov/1990-04_tvFotogramas.jpg
http://www.pfeiffertheface.com/MAGAZINES/PIC/NIN/058.jpg
http://www.worth1000.com/entries/52500/52921hMOL_w.jpg
http://uweekly.com/images/2006_08_16/Michelle-Pfeiffer.jpg

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Why don't you tell your dreams to me
Fantasy will set you free." - Steppenwolf

I think I can do that with my LipTopHangeyDowney morph set a bit negative, I'll try that.  Meanwhile here's a quick try at a Fairuza Balk-like mouth, accomplished with: built-ins LipBottomEdgeHeight (-.3) LipBottomThickness (.3) LipBottomWidth (.75)

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LipBottomTrapezoid (.1)
LipTopHangeyDowney (.45)

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Rachel Weisz:

http://venus.provocateuse.com/images/photos/rachel_weisz_02.jpg
http://www.h-magazine.com/images/general/celebs/rachelweisz.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f129/neonbutterflyxxx/womenspring06cover.jpg

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Why don't you tell your dreams to me
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Very nice!! 

Will you be including any of these as presets, or just the dials?  If it's just the dials, I'll have to jot down those values.  :)

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Why don't you tell your dreams to me
Fantasy will set you free." - Steppenwolf

I don't think a bunch of presets would be all that valuable to the general population, although you're welcome to these numbers - realize though, this is like 10 minutes of trial and error, it's not black magic.  :)

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Michelle Pfeiffer-like, accomplished with: Built-ins LipBottomWidth (-.75) LipsPartCenter (1) - note this is under EXPRESSIONS LipsPucker (.1)

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LipBottomTrapezoid (.9)
LipTopHangeyDowney (-.2) - be aware that this is about the edge of where this morph looks acceptable, any further negative and it starts to look very strange

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Ms. Weisz has a pretty good little overbite going there, doesn't she.  :P

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Drew Barrymore analogue, accomplished with Built-ins LipTopEdgeHeight (-.75) LipTopEdgeCurve (-.5) LipBottomThickness (-.6) LipBottomWidth (-.75)

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LipBottomTrapezoid (.75)
LipBottomValley (.2)
LipTopHangeyDowney (-.2)

I'm pretty confident the other lips visualized here so far can be done with a combination of the built in morphs and these new ones, I'm going to get that last lip morph that seems to be on the agenda (the philtrum dip) and call these done. 

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Vera, vera nice!  Can't wait! 

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Why don't you tell your dreams to me
Fantasy will set you free." - Steppenwolf

LipTopPhiltrumDeepen mesh.

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LipTopPhiltrumDeepen closeup, and that's a wrap.

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Annoying, I am down to trying to generate the INJ/REM poses and I'm having a hard time.  I see the INJ pose (built with Dimension3d's Binary Morph Editor), I see the names of the morph in the pose file, along with the deltas - but when I apply the pose to a blank figure, I don't see where the morphs went. 

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Problem solved - seems the trick is one must use one of the built-in, hidden channel names reserved for this purpose (PBMCC_15 through PBMCC_20 in this case picked at random).  The dials now show up on the head under INJ Channels (Hidden) -> Community.

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Uploaded to Freestuff and waiting for approval.  In the meantime if anyone cares to, they can be had from my file locker here:
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/rrfilelock/download.php?fileid=28956&key=8629

Enjoy!  I'm going to go make a stab at a forked tongue morph since I'm in this mode anyway.

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Thanks!

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I could have posted reason for that, its the lips I was trying for.  Maybe you have already got them, I haven't had a chance to do much more than just breeze through this thread - been moving all week.

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Woops - well, if you come up with some request feel free to ask, I think we can work something out.

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oh wow there great Thank you

When you finish this project, what are the chances I could talk you into making something similar for the V4 eyelids?  They're my one remaining complaint about V4.  For example, it's almost impossible to make the outer half of them heavy and then taper the inner half.  With built-in morphs, they're pretty much either thin all the way across or heavy all the way across.

This project is done :)

The eyes are much harder to create new morphs for than the lips, because they're automatically deformed as the eyeballs rotate.  I don't mind taking a stab at it but it isn't likely I can do a whole lot, I don't know enough.  Can you show a picture that visualizes what you want?

I don't think the forked tongue morph I had in mind is going to be very practical.  I can morph the tongue easily enough when it's at a zero morph state, but it doesn't interact well with the built-in tongue morphs at all, if any of the built-in sliders are moved then the morph goes nuts - again, probably because of automatic deforming going on like the eyeball/eyelid relationship.

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Thanks so much for this wonderful top quality gift.
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Four hundred and sixty three (463) downloads!!  I guess a few people wanted this!

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Fabulous work!   Thanks much for these.

Licking my lips to get back from a business trip in Asia to where my main poser puter is located to give these a whirl for a storyboard project I am just getting started on. The preview images posted in this thread are...ah...lip smacking good! Thanks a ton for making them available.

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Now pjz99 lets see all the new V4 characters that begin to appear! Thanks so much! Love esther

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Your lip morphs have made a world of difference on V4! Thank you !!!

1100 downloads, hee hee!  I am gratified.  :blushing:

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Hey pjz 99 love your lips!...ahh...err...I mean...your V4 Lip MTs. Since someone else had an alternate request I thought I would ask it here. Hope that doesn't upset too many folks here. If it does let me know and I will start a new thread. I have a deeply rooted foot fetish and was wondering if you would be interested in this challenge or if you or anyone else knows of any already in existance...but I would love to get some feet and toe morphs for V4. I have been religiously using V2 who had nicely shaped feet from out of the box. But someone...and I am sorry I just don't have a name here...created the V1/V2 funky toes morphs which not only allowed many individual toe movements but also size/shapes. I love V4 but her toes in relation to her foots are too long and pointy in my opinion and was hoping to get simlar toe mts to change both the size to foot relationship but also add individual toe shapes, sizes and movements! I know...weird..but I had to ask! :)

I can give that a try but I have no time just the now.  I'm not all that optimistic that I can create a new morph for this, that will behave well with the other foot morphs, for the same reasons as the tongue morph problems I had, but I'll give it a go.

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Thanks More than I could have hoped for. Will the result or failure to do so be publicly posted here or will you PM me about it if or when doable?

I'd just make it public like these lip morphs are, it'd be a very small download.

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