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Subject: Pose Magic for Victoria 4 coming soon!

Photopium opened this issue on Mar 20, 2007 · 24 posts


Photopium posted Tue, 20 March 2007 at 2:04 AM

The heavy lifting has been done, and Pose Magic for V4 is on the way.  Just have to pack it up and promo it, send it through testing etc.

If you've used Pose Magic, you know that Daz definately borrowed some ideas from my product and incorporated them into V4.  Fortunately for me, they failed to get the point of Pose Magic and spread slave dials all around V4's body.  They failed to introduce split controls.  Sure, you can raise both of V4's arms in a smooth motion with one dial, but they're only going to go one way unless you go back to the original problem and go all over the figure to do so.

Even sillier, some things have Left and Right controls but no master!  They didn't even think about nabbing my "Claw" idea for hand grasping, nor did they give you individual finger spreading controls. 

Well, I got fed up and went back to the drawing board to create my rig to make posing V4 every bit the joy that Pose Magic made for legacy figures of the past.

Some of you may be using the original Pose Magic product on V4 like I was since her introduction.  You found yourself having to go to the head to put on expressions, since they are all different and no longer work.  You found that the grasp controls didn't quite work right anymore.  I could go on.  Suffice it to say, a complete overhaul and rewrite were neeeded to make the workflow flow again.

I hope you will all be as thrilled with this product as I am.  Like it's predecessor, it is endlessly useful.  Don't pose V4 without it!

-WTB 


estherau posted Tue, 20 March 2007 at 2:57 AM

I'll most likely get this, if I can make a really nice V4 character first that I"m happy with. WEll done. Your first posemagic was fantastic! Love esther

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RAMWorks posted Tue, 20 March 2007 at 11:18 AM

Looking forward to seeing what you do with her.  Will work with Vittorio 4 as well which is nice considering they have the same rigging! 😄

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Photopium posted Tue, 20 March 2007 at 9:23 PM

The Promo Work

Photopium posted Tue, 20 March 2007 at 9:23 PM

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Photopium posted Tue, 20 March 2007 at 9:25 PM

$22 dollars, lower than Pose Magic because it is limited (right now) to just the one figure type.  If Mike 4 and the inevitable children are rigged the same, it should work on all or with a minimal free update.


Coleman posted Wed, 21 March 2007 at 4:06 PM

Can you give an example of how it's used? How does it work?

Sounds promising


nickedshield posted Wed, 21 March 2007 at 7:26 PM

Very simple explination: PoseMagic is a special prop that your figure is parented to. To pose the figure you use the PoseMagic dials instead of the figures. Does a nice job in making complex poses.

I must remember to remember what it was I had to remember.


cavortions posted Fri, 23 March 2007 at 8:16 PM

I'd find your product a lot more tempting if you hadn't resorted to Anton Kisiel-type tactics in promoting it.


RAMWorks posted Fri, 23 March 2007 at 10:44 PM

What an absolutely inappropriate comment.  Are you trolling??  if so I'll be more than happy to report you to a moderator! 

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Photopium posted Fri, 23 March 2007 at 10:46 PM

Can you please tell me what you mean by that?  If you're referring to "Daz borrowed my ideas" it's not meant as a criticism (except for the parts they forgot to borrow, thus allowing me to have the opportunity to make this product).  I'm not crying foul, I'm just glad that they didn't lift it all, which is admittedly their right to do.  My only intention is to illuminate that this product is still necessary, even though V4 has improvements.  

If I have failed to convey that, I am deeply sorry.

-WTB


Photopium posted Fri, 23 March 2007 at 11:12 PM

Brand new member too...hmmm.

-WTB


RAMWorks posted Fri, 23 March 2007 at 11:14 PM

mmmmhmmmm

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cavortions posted Sat, 24 March 2007 at 9:39 AM

Yes, WTB, that's exactly what I meant. It just does not come off well. It's far better to focus on what's good about your product, and refrain from making disparaging remarks about other products or accusations of "borrowing." Even if true, such statments create the impression that the only way you can make your product look good is by making the other product look bad. If your product is good-- and I'm sure it probably is-- that approach hurts it more than it helps it.


Photopium posted Sat, 24 March 2007 at 9:51 AM

I would never mean to imply that V4 is bad, in any way, at all.  V4 rocks, to the abandonment of all other female figures, as far as I'm concerned.  

But I do feel I have to point out the shortcomings of the figure's rigging, in relation to Pose Magic, what they hit and what they miss, so people understand why it's still a necessary product.  

I think you're arbitarily assigning labels of "Good" and "Bad" where you should be considering instead "Sufficient" and "insufficient"

-WTB


cavortions posted Sat, 24 March 2007 at 11:18 AM

I see your point on that. But the overall tone of your wording seemed to me more focused on slamming DAZ-- "they failed," "they didn't think," "even sillier," etc.-- than on pointing out the benefits of your product. I think a better approach would be something like "Pose Magic makes V4 even easier to use and more versatile. Here's how--" It's just a matter of shifting the emphasis. Hope that makes sense.


Rosetta posted Sat, 24 March 2007 at 12:10 PM

wtb

I don't believe you meant it this way but it came off as a "daz stole my stuffs" kind of thing. :)

I think after Anton's implying that daz stole stuff from AM to make V4 people are taking those kinds of statements a bit differently then they might have normally.

Maybe a revised promo? I'm sure there is a way to reword it that would not have that implication.

This is in no way meant as a slam on  you, I highly doubt you meant it the way I (and I'd bet others) took it when I first read it.


Photopium posted Sat, 24 March 2007 at 12:44 PM

This is the actual text from the marketplace, let me know if you think this is okay.  I'm certainly open to these sorts of helpful comments, and I appreciate them.

"Ideas strikingly similar to my original Pose Magic product were clearly incorporated into Victoria 4. However, those who were inspired largely dropped the ball and missed the point of my utility, by placing master controls on different parts of the body. Therefore, no workflow improvement was actually produced.

Like many of you, I was using my original Pose Magic product on V4, even though certain changes to V4's rigging made it obsolete. It became clear to me that this was unsatisfactory, and a re-write was in order.

If you're using V4 and you're familiar with PoseMagic, you'll definately want this. If you've never used Pose Magic, this is the product for you if V4 is your primary model.

Make posing fun again, and buy Pose Magic V4 today!"

I think it's a good deal more general and benign than what I wrote here.  Agreed?  


kimber89 posted Sat, 24 March 2007 at 12:44 PM

You'd win your bet Rosetta...that's exactly how I took it and for reasons you stated.

WTB, would this work in Daz  Studio?


cavortions posted Sat, 24 March 2007 at 1:02 PM

That's more general and benign, but you're still talking about DAZ dropping the ball and so on-- and still implying that they based things on your product, which may or may not be the case. (If you're going to say that, you really need to offer some proof.) Try something like: "Vicky 4 includes features similar to Pose Magic-- and now, with Pose Magic V4, you can get the most out of those features and more besides! Here's how Pose Magic can enhance your enjoyment of Vicky4: (describe)."


Photopium posted Sat, 24 March 2007 at 1:19 PM

kimber, I don't think so.  I don't have DS to try it, but on the other hand if Daz Studio has the ability to inject cr2 type data via a pose, then it just might.

Cavortions, I will re-write the text before it hits the marketplace.  Thank you for your suggestions and preventing me from potentially shooting myself in the foot.

If I can pass along one of my other products to you for the trouble, let me know, I'll be glad to do so.

-WTB


cavortions posted Sat, 24 March 2007 at 1:32 PM

No trouble at all-- and I'm sorry if my initial message came off a bit snippy.


Rosetta posted Sat, 24 March 2007 at 1:35 PM

I'm so glad you were understanding about all this.

I was certainly not trying to be confrontation and I was concerned you might take offense. :)

The new text will look much better and have a less negative affect on the marketplace.

I have honestly never used one of your products but I've been told they are high quality and that you are a good honest guy.

Glad to see that is all true.

/hugs


kimber89 posted Sat, 24 March 2007 at 3:35 PM

Quote - kimber, I don't think so.  I don't have DS to try it, but on the other hand if Daz Studio has the ability to inject cr2 type data via a pose, then it just might.

-WTB

 

That I would have no idea really. :(
Looks like a fine product at any rate & wish you much success! :)