I finished reinstalling all of my hair files to my Hair Runtime. Now I want to burn the files to DVD just in case everything goes bye-bye again, this way I don't have to hunt out the files I had installed.

Anyway, I've tried 3 times to burn a DVD R+ and get errors during the verification of the disk.

Here is what I do:

Click "Create Data DVD"
Click "Add" and browse to where my files are.
Click "Finish"
Click "Next"
Enter in the name I want the disk to have.
Put a checkmark in the "Verify files" box
Leave the box next to multisession unchecked.
Click "Burn"

The DVD burns and then goes through the verify process, but gives me errors during the verification.

I have Nero Version: 6.6.0.19

Here is part of the log that shows the burning was successful but there were problems with the verification. I have no idea what it all means, but it seems that it's a "hardware" issue of some kind (either burner or the DVDs).

Anyone have any tips on how to burn DVDs successfully with Nero? Or a link to a different burner software that may be better? I've never used Nero before but it came with my new computer.  I would use my old software but it doesn't have a DVD option.

LOG

8:05:51 AM    #26 Phase 37 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    Burn process completed successfully at 18x (24,930 KB/s)
   
8:05:51 AM    #27 Phase 78 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    Data verification started
   
8:11:22 AM    #28 SCSI -400 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1437
    SCSI Exec, HA 2, TA 0, LUN 0, buffer 0x0C281C00
    Status:     0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
    HA-Status   0x00 (0x00, OK)
    TA-Status   0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
    Sense Key:  0x04 (KEY_HARDWARE_ERROR)
    Sense Code: 0x3E
    Sense Qual: 0x02
    CDB Data:   0x28 0x00 0x00 0x18 0x3E 0x10 0x00 0x00 0x10 0x00 0x00 0x00
    Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x04 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A
                0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x3E 0x02
   
8:12:26 AM    #29 SCSI -400 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1437
    SCSI Exec, HA 2, TA 0, LUN 0, buffer 0x0C281C00
    Status:     0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
    HA-Status   0x00 (0x00, OK)
    TA-Status   0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
    Sense Key:  0x04 (KEY_HARDWARE_ERROR)
    Sense Code: 0x3E
    Sense Qual: 0x02
    CDB Data:   0x28 0x00 0x00 0x19 0x7A 0xB0 0x00 0x00 0x10 0x00 0x00 0x00
    Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x04 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A
                0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x3E 0x02
   
8:12:26 AM    #30 SectorVerify 20 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 10032
    Read errors from sector 1588752 to 1588767
   
8:13:00 AM    #31 SCSI -400 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1437
    SCSI Exec, HA 2, TA 0, LUN 0, buffer 0x0C281C00
    Status:     0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
    HA-Status   0x00 (0x00, OK)
    TA-Status   0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
    Sense Key:  0x04 (KEY_HARDWARE_ERROR)
    Sense Code: 0x3E
    Sense Qual: 0x02
    CDB Data:   0x28 0x00 0x00 0x19 0x9D 0xF0 0x00 0x00 0x10 0x00 0x00 0x00
    Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x04 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A
                0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x3E 0x02
   
8:13:00 AM    #32 SectorVerify 20 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 10032
    Read errors from sector 1669808 to 1669823
   
8:17:14 AM    #33 SCSI -400 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1437
    SCSI Exec, HA 2, TA 0, LUN 0, buffer 0x0C281C00
    Status:     0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
    HA-Status   0x00 (0x00, OK)
    TA-Status   0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
    Sense Key:  0x04 (KEY_HARDWARE_ERROR)
    Sense Code: 0x3E
    Sense Qual: 0x02
    CDB Data:   0x28 0x00 0x00 0x1F 0x8B 0xC0 0x00 0x00 0x10 0x00 0x00 0x00
    Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x04 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A
                0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x3E 0x02
   
8:17:14 AM    #34 SectorVerify 20 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 10032
    Read errors from sector 1678832 to 1678847
   
8:17:26 AM    #35 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 228
    all writers idle, stopping conversion
   
8:17:26 AM    #36 SectorVerify 20 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 10032
    Read errors from sector 2067392 to 2067407
   
8:17:26 AM    #37 Phase 81 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    **Data verification failed

EDIT:

****I just noticed that my DVD+R disks say "up to 16X".
My DVD Burner is 18X.......does that matter?  Is that the problem?

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Hi Acadia,
Have you tried a different DVD?
It sounds like a physical defect on the surface.

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I have tried 3 DVDs and all give me the failed verification.  They say that they burn successfully, but the verification of the disk fails.

I bought Verbatim DVD+R disks.

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Have you tried selecting a slower burn speed in nero (there should be a drop-down list).

Are you sure none of the files are currently in use - that can confuse Nero, and seems to have a worse effect during verification than during burning.

Quote - **EDIT:

**I just noticed that my DVD+R disks say "up to 16X".
My DVD Burner is 18X.......does that matter?  Is that the problem?

No that shouldn't be a problem. If you can get yourself a DVD-R disc and see if that makes a difference. I have Nero 6.6.0.13 and have found some DVD+R discs to give me trouble. I also use Nero startSmart  which is part of the Nero software program. Do you have that with your version of Nero? I have used nothing but DVD-R disks and never had a failure with any.

EDIT: Re-reading your post you may have a conflict with the Nero software and your DVD drive. Can you play a commercial DVD or CD with no problems? How about an old disk you've burned in the past will it run?

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Quote - Do the rest of your experimenting on a RW or you could end up with a load of shiny coasters! :huh:

Funny you should say that, not to down play the current problem, but my neighbor must have had burner problems too. She made a mobile of spent DVD and CDs and has it hanging on her porch next to the wind chimes..LOL!

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Acadia what type of DVD playeris ti?  Is it a combo drive or just a burner?

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Nero sucks period, I used to have it and had no end of problems like you're alluding to here.

Easiest solution!  Bin it and get "RecordNow" instead!
It's very easy and intuitive to use and has so far never given me any problems!

I dare say others will disagree with what I've said!  [shrug].

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Did you just upgrade to Vista?  I know Nero 6.x will not work with Vista...

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  One word of **major ** warning..... if you switch to something else, do not use Sonic DLA.. it has bugs that cost me several hundred hours work in files that evaporated and "converted" to something wierd that even DLA couldn't read. Have you tried just straightforward drag and drop? Also, as I recall... there are several parameters, some of which need to be set/reset when you do a burn... have you looked at those? Lou.

"..... and that was when things got interestiing."

I got a DVD for christmas, and it had a USB connection. Didn't work, until I found out that I needed USB 2 instead of 1. Although...now that I think of it, you have a brand new PC, so that wouldn't be it...never mind...;)

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Some times just updating the firmware helps.  The KEY_HARDWARE_ERROR message means it's most likely not a disk thing. It's a new computer and not likely to have had another burner in it using different software so a conflict of two different burning softwares is not the culprit.

I would check the firmware and the driver to see if they are both current and can be used with your OS.

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Ok, at my work we burn a hell of a lot of DVD's, so many for promotional work that we have dedicated Rimage DVD copiers. We avoid DVD + R like the plague, as the seem to cause no end of problems...we always use quality DVD - R...they seem more reliable across a broader range of hardware (Mac and PC) and we have less rejects.

Never had any problems with Nero myself...ok, over the years it has become too bloated, but as for DVD and CD recording I have never had a problem with it.

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Quote - Have you tried selecting a slower burn speed in nero (there should be a drop-down list).

Are you sure none of the files are currently in use - that can confuse Nero, and seems to have a worse effect during verification than during burning.

I didn't know I could select a different speed.I will check that out. 

Also, the files are zip and .exe files that are in a folder on my desktop and none were in use in anyway while they were being burned to DVD. 

Quote - If you can get yourself a DVD-R disc and see if that makes a difference. I have Nero 6.6.0.13 and have found some DVD+R discs to give me trouble. I also use Nero startSmart  which is part of the Nero software program. Do you have that with your version of Nero? I have used nothing but DVD-R disks and never had a failure with any.

EDIT: Re-reading your post you may have a conflict with the Nero software and your DVD drive. Can you play a commercial DVD or CD with no problems? How about an old disk you've burned in the past will it run?

I do have Nero StartSmart, and I did try it with the 3rd DVD attempt and got the same errors.  I also have something in the menu list called "Nero Backup". I haven't tried that though.

I only have DVD+ disks here, no R- ones.

I tried playing my LoTR DVD and it works just fine.  And the CDs that I have burned using my other computers read fine too.  

Today is the first time I tried to burn anything with this new computer.

Quote - Acadia what type of DVD playeris ti?  Is it a combo drive or just a burner?

I don't know the brand. Is there a way I can find that out?

My invoice only says:    "18x DVD +/- RW DL  and I was told that I could use RW and R CDs and DVDs, even the double layer DVDs that are available.

Quote - Nero sucks period, I used to have it and had no end of problems like you're alluding to here.

Easiest solution!  Bin it and get "RecordNow" instead!
It's very easy and intuitive to use and has so far never given me any problems!

Thank you. I will keep that program in mind if I can't get this working.

Quote - Did you just upgrade to Vista?  I know Nero 6.x will not work with Vista...

No, my computer has XP Pro on it. I tried Vista on the Dell that I returned and it was just horrid!!

Quote - I got a DVD for christmas, and it had a USB connection. Didn't work, until I found out that I needed USB 2 instead of 1. Although...now that I think of it, you have a brand new PC, so that wouldn't be it...never mind...;)

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Quote - Some times just updating the firmware helps.  The KEY_HARDWARE_ERROR message means it's most likely not a disk thing. It's a new computer and not likely to have had another burner in it using different software so a conflict of two different burning softwares is not the culprit.

I would check the firmware and the driver to see if they are both current and can be used with your OS.

Firmware? What's that?  Also, my hardwear drivers should be up-to-date as it's a new computer.

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New computer doesn't always mean newest drivers or firmware - parts take time to work through the supply chain, and the system software generally comes from a master installer which doesn't get updated all that often rather than from individual install CDs or downloads as when you do the job yourself.

Nero used to be quite good but version 6 is quite bad, I have had a lot of trouble using it, now I use ashampoo burning studio, it is much more reliable than nero.

I went to Device Manager and found this for my CD/DVD burner:   TSSTcorp CD/DVDW SH-S182F

I did a search on the net and it seems that it's a Samsung model.

Here are some links, but I don't know which driver to install:

http://www.photodex.com/support/drivelist.html?make=Samsung

http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_all.php

http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?download_id=2330

I saw this on some of the pages at the above links and it's freaked me out!  LOL

Quote - These pages are only for advanced users. Bad flashing could destroy your drive definitively. Read carefully the installation notes of your firmware before you upgrade. The Firmware Page and the drive manufacturer can't be responsable on REMEMBER: This is at your own risk!!!!

So before I download and install something that will cause my nice new shiney computer to blow up, I thought I'd check with you first :)

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Acadia, sorry to hear about your problems. I've found it best to not tempt fate by downloading or installing something if you're unsure or uneasy about it. Also just currious if you've checked one of the dvd's just to see if any of the data is on it?

  Whoever it is, is talking about flashing your DVD drive, not updating your drivers.... Lemme look. Brb. lou

"..... and that was when things got interestiing."

  Umm.. aside from that it's a Samsung, do you know the specific model? Lou.

"..... and that was when things got interestiing."

Mmmm... they want, at Samsung, the model number.... do you have that? Lou.

"..... and that was when things got interestiing."

Hi Acadia...

I've been using Nero forever and I had that problem once...  I just unchecked "verify files" and every data dvd I've ever done since (with unverified files) works perfectly!!!  It may just be that Nero's file verify thing just plain sucks!!!

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  You can find out this way.... open Control Panel--- open Hardware "Tab"--- open Device manager--- Look down the list until you see DVD/CDROM Devices, click on the plus sign to open that... the name and model will display. Lou

"..... and that was when things got interestiing."

I got Sonic DLA with my new computer and didn't like it. I installed Nero 6 (which I used with my last computer)  to my new computer and it works fine! Hope you can get it to work!

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Quote -   You can find out this way.... open Control Panel--- open Hardware "Tab"--- open Device manager--- Look down the list until you see DVD/CDROM Devices, click on the plus sign to open that... the name and model will display. Lou

It's a     **TSSTcorp CD/DVDW SH-S182F

**> Quote - Acadia, sorry to hear about your problems. I've found it best to not tempt fate by downloading or installing something if you're unsure or uneasy about it. Also just currious if you've checked one of the dvd's just to see if any of the data is on it?

I just checked the last disk I burned, and it shows 3.97 gigs which is the same as the size of the folder I was burning.

While the files all seem to be there according to the size, I'm concerned with these validation errors.  If a validation fails, doesn't that mean that some of the files that were burned are now corrupt or badly saved?  3.97 gigs is a considerable number to try and go through one by one to see if they all open or extract.

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don't know if this was mentioned or not as i've just scanned a bit, but i think i normally "format" the dvd, then "back up files" with nero, i think the formatting just makes it so that you can add files to the disk after the initial burn, haven't done it for a while, but do need to update my backups, so i'll do it tomorrow and let you know how i did it (if i remember how)

I use DVD+RW disks by the way(not had a prob with 'em so far), and also have a samsung drive.

  Basically, I did the same.... that was how i found out about DLA. Lou.

"..... and that was when things got interestiing."

How do you format the DVD first? I can try that and see if it makes a difference.

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this is from the nero smartstart shortcut (my desktop icon) double-click that, then over the "Data" option pull down to "format/prepare rewritable DVD" follow instuctions from there.

Great thanks. I'm going to try it now and see how I fair :)

I just have zero luck with electronics,  hehe

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Hmm, I don't seem to have a format option.

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This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
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If you are not using a rewritable disk don`t format it first, you will just waste the disk.

One other thing...you'll need to make sure that it "knows" that this is a DVD-rom that you are making.... I believe they call it a "DVD Data Disc".  the link is to Samsung, where the only thing that I can find is two (?) manuals for your particular drive. I have downloaded then, and can send them along, if you wish. Lou
  http://www.samsung.com/support/productsupport/download/Model_Select.aspx?type=&typecode=300400&subtype=&subtypecode=300405&model=SH%2DS182F&fileType=UM&language=
P.S. I'm afraid the address is a bit long winded.

"..... and that was when things got interestiing."

hmm!! my console there has seven option but mine isn't as up to date as yours, but you could click on the circle flame icon in the corner to see if your startsmart console is in need of an update, that might reveal those missing icons.

  Yeah... I made a few coasters like that myself.    Lou.

"..... and that was when things got interestiing."

sorry just checked and my version is newer than yours, so an update should be available to you, should be 6.6.1.4.

also if you are NOT using Re-writable disks those icons might not appear as an option to you (something to do with the incd part,(checks what kind of disk you put into the drive)) so it may limit the number of options available to you because of the type of disk you have put in.

i think if you are NOT using Re-writable disks then your option would be to "make data DVD" not certain though but it looks right to me.

i only ever use either CD-RW or DVD+RW disks, so i haven't had the probs others are mentioning.so i don't know the consequences of not using the formats i use, but don't remember having a problem burning stuff before with the above type disks.

  Y'know? I almost hate to say this, (Murphy may be skulking about), but I recall that I got that error message, too, when I had it set to do validation... funny thing, though, everything was there... I wonder if it's some kind of Nero Glitch? Lou.

"..... and that was when things got interestiing."

That's the fun with data validation.

NO burned DVD/CD is error free. There are always some bad spots.
But DVD and CD both have a good error correction system. Only when the amount of badly burned data is too much, the CD/DVD is indeed "bad".

Nero validation apparently checks for all the bad spots and does not take the error correction mechanism into account. So I expect that each and every burned CD/DVD will "fail" Nero's validation.

If you want to test the DVD, you'll have to batch unzip the complete contents to a temporary folder. I even could write a PoserPython script that could check an entire DVD by extracting each individual zip file to a temp folder, (optionally) compare the extracted files with the originals, logging everything, and finally clearing up the temp folder.
Got too many projects going on to give that script a shot, I'm sorry...

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Ok, if it's the validation system in Nero, I'm ok with that. It would just suck to have yet another experience with bad disk burns.

I guess I'll take my chances because I have 97 DVD R+ disks left and because they're open and 3 are  used, they can't be returned.  I guess I'll find out if I end up with a whole bunch of drink coasters.

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just for your edification (so you can fling this around with the techs..;)

Firmware is code that's actually written to the hardware itself (on an EEPROM chip back in the day, lawsy knows what they use now..;). It's the basic instructions that make it a DVD burner instead of a cup holder..;) Over time, problems with a given piece of kit will emerge, and the manufacturer will 'update' (rewrite with fixes, patches, etc) the firmware to fix the previous problems. The firmware is loaded by several means (FTP, Internet Explorer, Copy /b, etc., take your pick..;) to your device (in this case the DVD)

Usually these are downloadable from the manufacturer. I do this a lot with HP network printers, and it's fixed several problems on those. I'd check with the manufacturer's tech support people before doing this. Usually it's not a problem, as long as you let the thing run. Turn it off early (or have the power go off), and you may be left with a cup holder...;)

By all means, I'd check with the manufacturer, and with Nero too. I figure since they made it, they should help me fix it. Good luck.

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Hey Acadia...  IMHO you can really just do away with all this by unchecking "verify files"....  I've since had to reinstall EVERYTHING poser related (12 dvd's pretty much all full) (free stuff and purchases)  twice in the last year and all stuff burned without "verifying files" installed exactly as it they should have.......  Also the burn/verify process will be a heck of a lot quicker than with the verify option on.... 

Also, with your dvd+r's you don't need to format as that's only for rewritables or dvdram disks!!

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Acadia -
have you tried -R version of DVD ?  I use Nero with my DVD burner and use -R versions of the disks - zero issues and zero problems.

Nero should tell you the maximum burn speed your machine and your DVD burner can together manage.  Using the appropriate speed DVD also helps.

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Verification works for me, if the files aren't in use, and it's a worthwhile check - at least until you're sure the thing is reliable. If the files are zips you could just use your archiver's Check function, which should catch many forms of corruption. One thing I did find, on my old systems, was that having DMA on for the CD drive could cause problems but I doubt that would still be an issue n a new machine.

  Hey pakled, at the Samsung site, the was no offer of updates of either drivers or firmware, just the manual.  And, yes, there  are a few that still flog that dead horse... firmware updates. in view of current tech, it seems kinda silly to be going that route, these days. Lou.

"..... and that was when things got interestiing."

Quote - Verification works for me, if the files aren't in use, and it's a worthwhile check - at least until you're sure the thing is reliable. If the files are zips you could just use your archiver's Check function, which should catch many forms of corruption. One thing I did find, on my old systems, was that having DMA on for the CD drive could cause problems but I doubt that would still be an issue n a new machine.

I use Winzip for zipping and unzippling.  I didn't know you could verify the archives.  Can you tell me how to do that with Winzip?

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Formatting can only be done to RW, and you must have InCD installed.

I found that the best combinations is +RW and -R for DVD.

Quote - Nero sucks period, I used to have it and had no end of problems like you're alluding to here.

Easiest solution!  Bin it and get "RecordNow" instead!
It's very easy and intuitive to use and has so far never given me any problems!

I dare say others will disagree with what I've said!  [shrug].

I won't.  Burner suites are largely bloatware.  I see no reason to pay for that crap, when there are free tools for all of it:

Burnatonce writes images (images are the way to go when burning discs IMO, you get a lot less problems when your burning software is burning a single file (an image) than when it's parsing tons of files with no "wrapper").

ImgBurn burns those images to disc (it has a verification option, if you like that sort of thing).

Arcadia, you might want to try these programs and see if that clears up the issues.

Quote - I use Winzip for zipping and unzippling.  I didn't know you could verify the archives.  Can you tell me how to do that with Winzip?

I don't know about Winzip, but free (nagware) Winrar does archive verification, at least for files compressed in RAR format.  I made a post in your other thread about it.

Never did figure out the difference between +/- R DVDs, people always just sais to use - and I'm too lazy to look considering I haven't needed to buy any after my first load of 200 -R gifted to me :) so unsure of the effect of +R

I run verification on all disks I burn, never had a problem since the day nero6 came out, so I would suggest buying a single DVD-R to just test it, maybe 50 cents? and even though the burner runs at 18x speed, i would suggest (assuming you find the option) to burn is at lower, say 4x speed, no need to push the limits when you don't know that everything works perfectly below the limits. If you still get errors after that, I'd say hardware/software issue. Wether or not the data is indeed intact and fully usable, and error is just due to the verification scanner itself, there are ways to compare files that don't include nero.

choose burn data dvd
put in a dvd-r
burn at 4x with verification

as for testing zip files, I use winrar, not winzip, and winrar has a few more options :)  but as for winzip, you should be able to right click a file and choose "open with winzip" and a window comes up with all files in that zip. then an icon or an option in menus will say  "test" (since i can't see myself, don't know exact look/name) but that's testing them 1 by 1, files bought from daz which are exe installers, won't work with this method of checking.

edited to add: nero6 also has the option to burn to harddrive (creating a single image file) and create from image (burning the cd/dvd from that file) as suggested above

If you enabled the "shell extensions" for WinZip you should have a set of entries added to your right-click menu, either as a WinZip sub menu or as a series of individual entries on the main menu. The one you want is something like Check archive or Test archive (if you select all, or at least a lot of, the zips and right-click on one of the selected items you can go away and leave it working - you'll get a report at the end).

Quote - Never did figure out the difference between +/- R DVDs, people always just sais to use

From what I read, these days there's not much practical difference.  All modern hardware handles either just fine AFAIK.

Quote - and even though the burner runs at 18x speed, i would suggest (assuming you find the option) to burn is at lower, say 4x speed, no need to push the limits when you don't know that everything works perfectly below the limits.

Again based on what I read, that's bad advice.  It's counterintuitive, but from what I understand discs rated at higher speeds are best burned at their top speed, and burning at slower speeds actually causes more problems.

Everywhere I have read, says that burning slower can avoid problems, and burning over the rated speed (ie burning a 4x at 16x) makes the problems. Atleast on older drives this was true, due to the material used in the disks, since the laser has to "burn" the information on. Running at too fast of speed, would leave the laser too short of time to "burn" the mark on the dvd/cd. Running at lower speeds, can have the laser either run at less power, or so i'm told, never had the will to take a screwdriver and see what makes them tick :)

But I never have a problem, and have burned almost 200 DVDs in the past 6 months, not one coaster, drive is 16x and I usually burn at 8x or 4x, so without seeing his computer first hand, all i can say is what is different from what I do.

I've had one or two faulty burns using Nero, and finally worked out why. I am normally doing several thing at the same time for example listening to music,redubbing a video,browsing web sites,while burning a DVD. 
That is when I get failures. The compuyer is reading and writing to the hard disks for several programs at the same time and some data corruption occurs.
When I burn with only Nero running there is no problem.

  One other thing... on any CD or DVD burn, at least as far as I have ever heard of, the app creates an "image" of what's being burned to disc... it creates a file of the file(s) that are going to be burned to disc in the format that it will be, on the disc, then uses that to do the actual burn. HDD space can become critical, and even cause an incomplete, or damaged burn... sometimes, you'll get erratic error messages, as well. Lou.

"..... and that was when things got interestiing."

Quote - Everywhere I have read, says that burning slower can avoid problems, and burning over the rated speed (ie burning a 4x at 16x) makes the problems.

I don't recommend burning over the rated speed either.  In fact, I didn't think one could burn at a higher speed than the disc's rating (maybe one could set the burning app to a higher speed, but that doesn't mean it's actually exceeding the disc's rated max).

Quote - One other thing... on any CD or DVD burn, at least as far as I have ever heard of, the app creates an "image" of what's being burned to disc... it creates a file of the file(s) that are going to be burned to disc in the format that it will be, on the disc, then uses that to do the actual burn.

That may very well be true - it sounds likely.  However, in my experience with these suites (admittedly years ago, since I stopped using them), if the process is interrupted and the app crashes, there is no image file to point the app to - that is, the whole process must be started again.  This implies that even if the app is burning an image, the whole process is one big stream and one problem anywhere can bring the whole process crashing down.  I prefer to control each step myself, with non-bloatware (create the iso - did it work? good.  Now I can deal with burning the image do disc, rather than wondering where the problem occurred).

Then there's the (IME) wholly problematic method of burning (name escapes me) where the app treats the burn like a regular Windows file system - you can add files at will and the app burns them one at a time.  Never had anything but trouble with that shyte.

Quote - I've had one or two faulty burns using Nero, and finally worked out why. I am normally doing several thing at the same time for example listening to music,redubbing a video,browsing web sites,while burning a DVD. 
That is when I get failures. The compuyer is reading and writing to the hard disks for several programs at the same time and some data corruption occurs.
When I burn with only Nero running there is no problem.

I have been doing other stuff while the disk was burning.  I don't have quite enough coasters yet, so I'll give it a try and see if that makes a difference.

I'll also try reducing the speed to less than 18X to see if that works.I think I can pick 12X as the next lowest speed.

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This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
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I'd pick 4x and work up from that if it's OK - a DVD burning at 4x is still fairly quick, or it seemed so to me after using CDs (also typically at 4x).

Well, I just gave up on Nero!!!

I have been trying to burn DVDs all day long!  Out of 9 burning attempts (50 minutes each), I ended up with 2 readable DVDs!!!  All of the rest say that the burn was successfull, but when I look at the DVD contents, there isn't any!!!  Yet when I try to reburn files to it I get a message telling me the DVD is not empty! I tried "multisession", "no multisession", 16x and 12x and even burning only a gig on a 4 gig DVD and nada!!!  All except 2 look like they are empty in "My Computer."  What a waste of time!

I downloaded the trial of "Ashampoo Burning Studio" and have managed to burn 1 successful DVD and another is in the process of being burned.

So Nero is history. What a tempermental software that is.  Maybe their "Pro" version is better than the one that came with my computer, but I'm not going to spend money to find out,  LOL

At least I know the problem is not my Verbatim DVD+R disks.

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This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
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Acadia, sorry to hear about your problems.

I use Nero exclusively for all my DVD/CD burning and I have had very very few problems with it since version 5 and I am on 7 now. I am an IT tech support person though so when I do have problems I'm lucky enough to be able to solve them myself. :)

Just one thing that I haven't seen mentioned here is that different brands of CD's and DVD's work better with with some brands of writers than others. Over the years I have had to give away quite a few blanks because my writers didn't like them. Verbatim is my brand of choice and has been for a long time though as they are much better than most.

The trick of lowering the write speed is really good advice. Often disks that fail badly after a high-speed write will do just fine at lower speeds. I bought a spindle of 100 I-Mation disks and created about 5 or 6 coffee cup holders before I lowered the speed, and then I wrote about 90 disks on the trot without any failures.

IMHO verifying the contents of each disk I write is critical! I know that the error correction system in burners and readers will compensate for some bad information read off the disk but I prefer to know that the disk contents are 100% when I am storing critical stuff. I also very seldom have disks fail verification after being written. This is obviously after I have verified that the blanks work well with my writers though.

It's also important to understand that there is a lot of technical stuff going on in the background when you write disks, and there is a list as long as my arm of things that can cause bad writes, sometimes only in one brand of software while others work fine.

I hope this info helps and good luck with your problems! :)

 

I never have that problem with Nero 6...I use DVD+R for most of my burning needs, Use SmartStart, Choose DVD,  turn off 'verify',  lower my burn speed down to 4x, {if you dont lower the speed, data can very easily get skipped resulting in corrupt files} and it does just fine.

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When I create backup DVDs I don't use the zip or exe files. I extract or install the item to an aptly named folder and save those folders to DVD. Inside each folder is the Runtime, Readme and the promo images for that item. Reinstalling to Poser is then simply a matter of opening a folder and dragging the runtime over to my poser external runtime of choice. I have found this to be a fast method.Having the promo images with winxp set to show thumbnails makes it easy to identify what you are looking for.

That's a good way of doing it grahamjames, but bear in mind that when you copy the files back to your hard drive like that they will most likely be tagged as read only. If anything wants to modify a file you may get some really funky and interesting results.

It probably won't happen very often at all but it's worth mentioning.

 

Quote - Well, I just gave up on Nero!!!

I have been trying to burn DVDs all day long!  Out of 9 burning attempts (50 minutes each), I ended up with 2 readable DVDs!!!  All of the rest say that the burn was successfull, but when I look at the DVD contents, there isn't any!!!  Yet when I try to reburn files to it I get a message telling me the DVD is not empty! I tried "multisession", "no multisession", 16x and 12x and even burning only a gig on a 4 gig DVD and nada!!!  All except 2 look like they are empty in "My Computer."  What a waste of time!

I've been using nero for at least 8 years, never had problems with it. That is probably because I download newest nero version when I buy new burner.

Manufacturers give out their bundled software with their hardware, you got nero. But who knows how old is that nero compared to your burner. Maybe they just took what they had from previous orders. If that's the case, problem is that your burner isn't fully supported by that version of nero. You said you got a new computer, that should mean that your burner is also new, you got nero 6.6.0.19 and current nero version is 7.9.6.0. See my point?

Ashampoo you downloaded is new version so it should support it. Try updating your nero 6.6.0.19 to latest v6, 6.6.1.15a, (update package 1, www.nero.com/nero6/eng/nero-up.php
 ). Or download nero 7 trial, maybe nero 6 serial works with it, I know it did in some version jumps (my nero 5 serial worked for nero 6).

Another thing is, which discs you have exactly. It's far from true that all are alike. I had some that are, sorry for expression, just plain crap. Even what's printed on them isn't important, important is who is manufacturer of writing layer. With nero you should have Nero Info Tool (don't worry, it doesn't burn them :), it just reads some info from the drive and discs, if inserted), insert one of your burned or empty DVDs and start it. Choose your burner and tab Disc, it should say there who the manufacturer is. It will probably be some type of code and numbers. Now you can check what people say about that type of layers, either google it or search on this forum club.cdfreaks.com/

Acadia, I have had a lot of problems using nero as well, I got ashampoo burning studio free with a magazine and it works very well, it can write most types of disks, even film dvds.

Quote -
IMHO verifying the contents of each disk I write is critical! I know that the error correction system in burners and readers will compensate for some bad information read off the disk but I prefer to know that the disk contents are 100% when I am storing critical stuff. I also very seldom have disks fail verification after being written. This is obviously after I have verified that the blanks work well with my writers though.

I'm not using the "verify" after burning.  When I did that with Nero I was getting errors.

So after I burn I copy the contents from the disk back to my hard drive. I'm hoping that no errors while copying from the disk to the hard drive means that the actual files themselves are fine. Before I got my new computer with the CD burner, my problems with bad CD saves gave errors of not being able to read the data on the disk: that happened when trying to copy the contents or directly accessing it from the CD.

So far I now have 4 DVDS that I can copy to my hard drive without any errors.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

I use DVD+RW and DVD-R, and have no problems at all with Nero. My Burners are by NEC.

Quote - So after I burn I copy the contents from the disk back to my hard drive. I'm hoping that no errors while copying from the disk to the hard drive means that the actual files themselves are fine.

 

That is also a good way of verifying that the CD contents are ok. I use it sometimes when I forget to check 'Verify CD contents'. The only thing is of course that it takes a while to do it this way. :)

 

Acadia, you might try http://club.cdfreaks.com/

That's the best forum I've found for this stuff.  There are lots of ways to check your data.  One is as you said, to copy the data back to your HDD.  Another is synchronization software (try download.com for some freeware).  Another is to check the quality of the disc itself (good disc means good data, generally), with a tool like DVDinfo pro.

Really, I think you've just been burned by crap software, and are overcompensating.  Once you get a good workflow going, with some non-crap software, you'll relax about the process and stop worrying so much.

Folks defending Nero shouldn't bother.  Okay, it works for YOU.  It's still a pile of crap.

Quote - Folks defending Nero shouldn't bother.  Okay, it works for YOU.  It's still a pile of crap.

 
Well I guess we all know which corner you are in! :)

Nero works perfectly well for me and many many others. Don't dismiss it too offhandedly because the bad experiences people have had with it can almost always be attributed to software/driver/hardware incompatibilities.

 

Quote - I use DVD+R for most of my burning needs

I bought some Maxwell DVD+R  disks yesterday and have managed to burn 3 for 3 !  So it seems that the problem was the Verbatim DVD-R disks for some reason.  Not sure why I couldn't burn with the DVD-R ones. What a waste of money! I have a spindle of  about 70 DVD-R  disks left that I can't use.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

It sounds you have a +R dvd recorder, some of them can only burn one kind of disk.

Make sure when you write a disk that the speed you use in nero is the same as the speed of the disk, so if you have a 16x speed disk, don`t make the write speed higher than 16x or it is likely to cause errors (you can safely write at a slower speed than the disk write speed if you want to for some reason).

Quote - It sounds you have a +R dvd recorder, some of them can only burn one kind of disk.

Make sure when you write a disk that the speed you use in nero is the same as the speed of the disk, so if you have a 16x speed disk, don`t make the write speed higher than 16x or it is likely to cause errors (you can safely write at a slower speed than the disk write speed if you want to for some reason).

I was told that my burner was +/- and could handle all disks including the double layer DVDs. 

I did manage to burn a few of the DVD-R disks but I think for every one I managed to successfully burn, there were 5 failures or more.

The DVD+R disks that I have are 16x and are burning automatically at that speed.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

It depends on the make of the burner, as to which brands of discs it can handle for writing. Strange but true.

Quote - It depends on the make of the burner, as to which brands of discs it can handle for writing. Strange but true.

That is weird. Well, so long as I know that I have more success with DVD+R I'm ok with that.  I'll see if my nephew wants the other ones.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Quote - It depends on the make of the burner, as to which brands of discs it can handle for writing. Strange but true.

 

That is true, I have had 5 or 6 dvd drives and they all have had problems burning certain brands of disks.

Sometimes it varies by model within the same brand of burners, even for all in one burners. Not so much of a problem with CD R discs, or even CD RWs. Most of this seems to be with DVD R and RW.

Ugh! I notice that my dystexia caused me to give some bad info yesterday.  The disks I bought are actually  Maxell DVD-R disks. The disks I had and couldn't burn with much success were Verbatim DVD+R disks. I haven't had a single failure with the new Maxell DVD-R disks.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

I use DVD+RW and -R. Ridata for the former, and Khypermedia for the latter (for the moment).  I have been using 4X for both.