I've seen some poser images which seem like beginner people made them. Being that i'm kind of a beginner but am interested in sharing, culd i? Or only professionals are allowed to post?

Are you familiar with the phrase "opening a can of worms"? :) The gallery is open to all - if you're unsure, it has a beginner's section.

Course you could - feel welcome we all have to start somewhere LOL!!!

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Only if you put first up the $10,000.00 premium fee to compensate all those viewers whose esthetic sense you might offend by doing so.
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Do you know the secret handshake? you can't join the gallery without knowing it & you're not allowed to be shown it by anyone until after you join.

I'm kidding!

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Ok, i'm gonna start posting images. So is there a section where bad artists can put their pics?

  Just keep in mind : there are no bad critics, just people who don't understand why you put the mouth where the ear should be.   :lol:   Go for it... eventually you'll weed out the nitwits from genuine critique. Lou.

"..... and that was when things got interestiing."

Quote - Ok, i'm gonna start posting images. So is there a section where bad artists can put their pics?

YES!  You can post them here: www.3dbuzz.com
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I am a NOT SO GOOD artist, I'm certainly not professional...  When you submit an image for upload (all kidding aside) there are two choices to make for two different categories.  One of these is Beginner, I think the first category.  You might even go look in the Beginner gallery and see what the stuff there looks like :)

Beginner gallery:
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/browse.php?section_id=14&genre_id=

(although clearly some of those folks are NOT beginners and need a little push out of the nest :P )

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Bless your heart tebop, everyone can post their images here!

My idea of rebooting is kicking somebody in the butt twice!

Attached Link: http://www.askart.com/askart/artists/search/Search_Repeat.aspx?searchtype=AUCTION_RECORDS&artist=11009451

Do you  think you can do better than this?

Sotheby's expects this single color painting to fetch nearly a million dollars at a current auction. And, looking at the link, I wanna puke because a different painting, with sharp edges is worth three times as much.

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OH...MY...GOD!!  I can't even give my stuff away and this dingbat is going to make at least $800 thousand dollars after commision for a one color canvas their kid probably painted?  We are indeed headed for the End Days!

omg...gets my brush and tin of paint out.... hey this way I can be a traditional artist lmao  I just painted some frames black ....do u reckon they would fetch that much?

(makes note to self to note paint frames black when just had nails done)

"I didn't lose my mind, it was mine to give away"

Yep, the galleries are open to anyone :)

I'll give you some tips for posting in the gallery seeing you've never done it before.

Make sure you read this link:

http://www.renderosity.com/news.php?viewStory=13472

You can post nude images in the gallery, but the smaller thumbnail pictures cannot have nudity  of any kind in the thumbnail images.  That means when you make a thumbnail image you cannot have any of the following showing:  male or female genitals, no pubic hair, no naked butt cheeks  period,  including those that are wearing thong undies, no exposed female nipples or the breast areola surrounding them.  See through clothing that shows any of those parts is considered "nudity".

Careful of using Aiko in the gallery if you are doing erotic or nude or semi nude or provocatively dressed and/or posed figures.  Aiko tends to look very young in the face (depending on the morphs and textures used).  There is a no child nudity rule here, so if the character "looks" under age to the staff (even if the character has a very adult looking body but the face looks under age),  the image is removed and they talk to you about it.  I always tell people that if they are wanting to use Aiko in the gallery in "adult" type situations, then they should consider passing the image by a Moderator first to get their approval before they upload it to the gallery.

You need to upload 2 images each time you upload to your gallery. One image is the actual large image you are submitting for people to see. The other is a small image that contains a portion of your larger image to be used as a thumbnail on the main pages of the gallery. 

While the Renderosity server will automatically generate a  thumbnail size image for you by shrinking down your big image, it can't tell the difference between an image that has nudity or violence in it and one that doesn't. It will shrink down any image you upload if you allow it to autogenerate a thumbnail.  That wasn't a problem before the new thumbnail policy about no nudity in the thumbnails, but it's caused problems for many members who do post nudes in their gallery and depended on Renderosity to generate the thumbnail for them. Soooo....

I suggest you get used to making your own thumbnails each time because that will save you from accidently submitting nudity in a thumbnail and having your image pulled from the gallery.

For the image galleries, the maximum sizes are 4096x4096 / 512 KB   [524288bytes]
Thumbnails: 200x200 / 15 KB   [15360bytes]

Pick the right gallery to post it in. If the image has a "Poser" figure in it, regardless of what program you used to finish it up and render it, the image can go in the "Poser" gallery.  Then pick the theme  IE: portrait, people, etc.

Don't forget to pick a content advisory option before submitting your image: None, Nudity, Violence or Both.  You can get into trouble  for not having the appropriate content advisory marked, and you can get into trouble if you just pick one "just in case" when the image doesn't need one.  If you aren't sure whether your image needs an advisory on it, ask a Moderator.

Finally, when you are ready, upload it to the gallery.  Never pick "Preview" because for some reason when you preview the image it counts it as an upload so you won't be able to upload the image if you have "previewed" it because that will have used up your one upload per day quota  Always just upload it and then if you need to make changes to something  click "Edit" below the image.

Finally,  have fun!

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Love to see new images, it is so interesting, bring it on.  Sharen

And if you pay me five euro for every image, you get a nice comment!
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Just kidding, every new artist is welcome, everyone has to learn, and perhaps you surprise us.

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Damn, I missed DPHoadley's reply

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Ya know......if they opened up a 'Bad Art' section in the galleries --- I'd bet that it would do a brisk business.  I can just see it now: people would tailor their stuff to get it in there.  I can just envision it: Bad Art contests, Bad Artist of the Month on the front page...........

And why?  Simple.  "The Top 10 Worst of" lists are a lot more popular reading than the "Top Ten Best of" lists.

But of course: some of us wouldn't have to make as great of an effort as others in order to get into the new gallery. 

Many people think that just because some of us make it look easy.....it means Bad Art is therefore something that just anybody can do.  Like falling off of a log.  Well, that sort of thinking stems from Bad misinformation.  In reality, the ability to produce true Bad Art is an inborn talent.  Either you've got it, or you don't.

And if you've got that sort of talent -- then you are fully qualified to attend a big-name art school in New York City: where you'll make sculptures out of toilets.  And then sell them for $800,000 to absolute fools.  Either that, or you'll get Big Government Grants to churn out images drawn with dog poo on bits of toilet paper stolen from public toilets in the subways.

Bad Art is an Art.  And why do you think that a certain type of artist is referred to as a "Con Artist"?

It's because a good con job is a true work of Art.

All of that is to say this: post away.  Everyone's welcome.  Hey, they even let me in here.  Just be careful to stay within the TOS.

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Take a look at my FIRST renders! You'll laugh your ass off. Not that I'm Leonardo de Vinci now, but at least I know how to get the hair to stay on, LOL!

Gagnonrich said *Sotheby's expects this single color painting to fetch nearly a million dollars at a current auction. And, looking at the link, I wanna puke because a different painting, with sharp edges is worth three times as much.

*On the plus side, the character who coughed up one and a half million quid for a blue rectangle still hasn't noticed that he has it hanging up upside-down.

So is there a section where bad artists can put their pics?- heck, I use to Poser and Bryce galleries..it's worked so far..;)

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I sure hope it's open to beginners because I've been posting for months! :)

But seriously, the more the merrier!

If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards...checkmate!

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And if you've got that sort of talent -- then you are fully qualified to attend a big-name art school in New York City: where you'll make sculptures out of toilets.  And then sell them for $800,000 to absolute fools.  Either that, or you'll get Big Government Grants to churn out images drawn with dog poo on bits of toilet paper stolen from public toilets in the subways.

 

ROTFL!
This reminds me...
I was cleaning our dog's poo from the back yard this weekend, contemplationg this or that from rendo, when I was suddenly struck with an idea, excitedly bounced off into the house and proceeded to tell my honey....
Honey, Honey, I know just the perfect get-rich-quick-scheme... We should advertize and sell "Artistic-Puppy-Poo-Paper-Weights" !!! And tried to drag him out to the yard to muse over the ionterestingly stacked fresh pile.
Of course, he thought I was suffering from sun exposure, held my head in his hands, looked thoughtfully into my eyes and asked... "Honey... What's wrong with you?"

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Well darn I had no clue there was a beginner's gallery. Had I known it I would have used it as I just started posting pics in the gallery very recently!

The dog poo paper weight has already been done for years. LOL. Now, I have not seen real dog poo embedded in amber. Does not mean that it has not already been done too.

Post your image where you think is a proper gallery for you. Does not have to be in the beginners gallery, have you seen some of the images in the regular galleries?

I was a Fine Arts major back in the early 1970's when Andy Warhol's soup cans were considered art. I remember going to the Art Museum and seeing carpet padding - the grey felt kind - cut in strips and hanging on the wall as "art". I dropped out of art school and majored in Russian (not very money making either) It was only with Bryce and Poser that I finally got back into art as a hobby. I was so disgusted at what was considered art back then. I remember Jackson Pollock? Didn't he dip worms in paint and let them crawl around on a canvas and that's art? I ended up as a reporter/editor/photographer for newspapers for years, and once in a while they let me do an illustration for a special section. Art is truly in the eye of the beholder or in the eyes of people stupid enough to follow the popular art "trends".

By the way, I can paint you a blue rectangle. Anyone want to pay me a few milllion for it?

Shit, you charge too much money, I'll do it for half a million.  I'll even use a roller!

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Ha! You're all too expensive.  I'll take 1/4 of a million and I'll throw in 2 others in red and white absolutely free!

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i could do it for the same price but with 4 colors!!

Damn! Where is this Bad Artists Gallery?? I want to be the best of worst!!!

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You don't seem to like them much.

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Just saw this on the BBC News....we should ALL be millionaires LOL!!

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Why not start a "Cream of the Crap" gallery? 

My idea of rebooting is kicking somebody in the butt twice!

I'm pushing for the "Mehh It's Mediocre" Artist of the Year.  My stuff isn't toe curling bad but neither can it be considered good, the way I look at it is I get a kick out of making it and I like to share them in the gallery but I have no misconceptions about them.  The odd one I am still proud of and pleased with but on the whole I can see too many lighting, posing and composition bad decisions to ever be happy with them.

 

 

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I think your image could be improved though with some AO & SSS.

Some of this so called 'artwork' which sell for millions are complete & utter CRAP!!! If people can see something in these then they need to see a shrink. Or maybe I just have a closed mind!**

Quote - Just saw this on the BBC News....we should ALL be millionaires LOL!!

 

The Rothko piece had to be worth $72.8 million. After all, it had five colors--and some texturing. One cannot expect all that extra work to go unappreciated.

It just goes to show that the Emperor's new clothes look incredible.
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Emperors-New-Clothes.htm

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I'm surprized noone brought up the painting cats yet!
http://www.monpa.com/wcp/

...methinks it's time for my Tigger to start earning her keep....

That reminds me, when i was about 5 years old, my grandpa mounted a canvas for me while he was painting his house, and let me have at it, so I would stay out of his way... 
I drew some sort of an abstraction, while pushing the colors around the canvas, thinking, yellow is goint to eat blue, and over there, red will attack yellow, and in this corner, oops, I dripped black, maybe I should stir it with my finger... ewww.
 He was proudly showing it to all the neighbors and visitors, and they were just gushing over it. They decided I was 'such a talent' and that it was an abstract painting of a dog, and what a genius I was :blink:

I was in much dismay, thinking the adults around me have gone completely nuts!

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Excellent wonderful render, Bob!!!!! I even entered a horrible beginning Poser render in the "worst render" contest and lost. IMHO, mine was the worst. The funny thing is I was working for a newspaper when i did it and they published it in full-page color for their St. Patrick's day section. I still cringe at the thought. Dave would have liked it - it starred Posette and the Dork, complete with default plastic hair, LOL!

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Mark Rothko's painting was sold by philanthropist David Rockefeller

**The auction record for post-war art has been smashed twice in one night.**Francis Bacon's portrait Study from Innocent X fetched $52.6m (£26.5m) at Sotheby's in New York - almost double the previous high for a Bacon work.

That was followed by a price of $72.8m (£36.7m) for US abstract artist Mark Rothko's 1950 work White Center (Yellow, Pink and Lavender on Rose). "

I need to find the buyer so I can sell them the Brooklyn Bridge, LOL.

BTW - Here's another thought: Vincent van Gogh's work was considered by many to be nothing but amateurish junk in his own lifetime -- by those few people who were even familiar with his work.  But.......van Gogh never painted a blue square, insofar as I know.

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Wow! David that's beautiful!

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able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
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Dave, that is your best! I really would hang that on my wall. I would think about selling that as a print. Well done!

Quote - I remember Jackson Pollock? Didn't he dip worms in paint and let them crawl around on a canvas and that's art? [quote] 
No, Pollock dipped his brush in liquid paint and swung it at the canvas, producing a splattering effect. However, and this is a salient point, Pollock was actually good at creating esthetically interesting works using this technique. He started off as a post-impressionist (I think this is the correct term), ala middle-period picasso, and started using a looser and looser brush stroke. Even his early abstract splatter paintings are representationalI and even figurative. In fact, most of his "abstracts" are really representational, but not figurative. http://www.kaliweb.com/jacksonpollock/art.htm has a nice selection of Pollack images.

One of the dirty little secrets of abstract art is that most of the good stuff is actually representational (albeit non-figurative); it is often the imitators who produce unviewable junk because they go through the motions without understanding that art has to be about something.

I'm a big fan of abstract art, as well as post-WWII classical music, so my esthetic sense may differ a lot from others in this forum.

Interestingly enough, some of the criticisms levied at Warhol for painting mundane objects like soupcans were also levied at Arthur Honneger, whose musical compositions such as "Pacific 231" and "Rugby" applied the concept of the pastoral tone poem to, respectively, a steam locomotive and a sports game. (Honneger's attitude was that he found trains and sports much more interesting than parks and wilderness.)

That being said, I think that the blue square is just not very interesting.

Quote - Just saw this on the BBC News....we should ALL be millionaires LOL!!

 

I don't think that the prices are out of line considering the overall prices in the art market these days. Have you seen how much 19th and 18th century masters are going for at auction?

Quote - " Mark Rothko's painting was sold by philanthropist David Rockefeller

**The auction record for post-war art has been smashed twice in one night.**Francis Bacon's portrait Study from Innocent X fetched $52.6m (£26.5m) at Sotheby's in New York - almost double the previous high for a Bacon work.

That was followed by a price of $72.8m (£36.7m) for US abstract artist Mark Rothko's 1950 work White Center (Yellow, Pink and Lavender on Rose). "

I need to find the buyer so I can sell them the Brooklyn Bridge, LOL.

 

I like it.  One reason for the high prices for major works of art is that there just is very little movement of it, and many of the sales are private, between multi-billionaires. For example, there has been exactly one Vermeer which has come on the open market in 80 years.

http://www.productionmyarts.com/arts-et-marche/100-oeuvres-fr.htm
gives a list (up through the end of 2006) for the most expensive paintings sold.

Quote - I'm surprized noone brought up the painting cats yet!
http://www.monpa.com/wcp/

 

It wasn't until about 2/3 of the way through the book that my wife and I figured out which of the following was true:
a.) This was a hoax
b.) Cats actually paint
c.) The authors are deluded
d.) It was a joke.

It was only a footnote which enabled us to decide exactly which of the above was true.

The sequal (Why Cat's Dance) was more obviously intended as humor, but it was still unclear whether or not the humans who dance with the casts were real (albeit mostly nutjobs) or if the whole thing was a put-on.

Quote - I think that the blue square is just not very interesting.

Wah! I've been trolled! My feelings are hurt! My inalienable right to unconditional praise for my artwork has been violated! I feel unclean! Somebody fetch a moderator before I run out of exclamation marks!!! :lol: Well, to be fair, I suppose it was a bit plagiaristic.

AnArdvark, you or anybody else including a chimp (no offense mean) could paint those colored squares.....

Quote - > Quote - I think that the blue square is just not very interesting.

Wah! I've been trolled! My feelings are hurt! My inalienable right to unconditional praise for my artwork has been violated! I feel unclean! Somebody fetch a moderator before I run out of exclamation marks!!! :lol: Well, to be fair, I suppose it was a bit plagiaristic.

 

I was actually referring to the one on sale at Sotheby's. I will admit, however, that a fair amount of modern art doesn't come across very well in reproductions. When you are in the same room with a Malevich, Duchamp, Kandinsky, Mondrian, Miro, Calder, or Motherwell it usually comes of more interesting than when you see it in reproduction. Also, many of the very minimalist paintings are much more effective when seen in person due to the scale. I've seen similar Rothko's to the one recently sold at auction, and they are massive works, typically over six feet tall, almost sculptural in their presence.

And its not as if the artists made the big bucks on this stuff. (With the possible exceptions of people like Warhol and Dali who's public, and eccentric, personalities probably influenced the price.)  At the time of his death in 1970, the average price of a Rothko was $10,000.

Quote - > Quote - I'm surprized noone brought up the painting cats yet!

http://www.monpa.com/wcp/

 

It wasn't until about 2/3 of the way through the book that my wife and I figured out which of the following was true:
a.) This was a hoax
b.) Cats actually paint
c.) The authors are deluded
d.) It was a joke.

It was only a footnote which enabled us to decide exactly which of the above was true.

The sequal (Why Cat's Dance) was more obviously intended as humor, but it was still unclear whether or not the humans who dance with the casts were real (albeit mostly nutjobs) or if the whole thing was a put-on.

 

LOL, yeah, the dancing one was pretty funny!
As for the painting cats, I have tried to make my kitty paint, and it was quite easy, a piece of paper, food coloring, and a laser pointer for her to chase around the paper. This was long before the book, but when i was a kid.  Got in trouble for making a big mess in the house.

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Quote - AnArdvark, you or anybody else including a chimp (no offense mean) could paint those colored squares.....

 

That's why I think those squares aren't very interesting. On the otherhand, I don't think that I could paint one of Barnett Newman's large canvases. There is too much in the texture, the composition, and the transmission of idea to paint. For example, I was really impressed by the "Notes" series, even though they're basically just vertical lines (black on grey or white). Being in a room with several of them at MOMA was almost a visceral experience (perhaps because I'm musically trained.)  Are they worth the millions of dollars which they would probably fetch at auction? Propbably not. I think that abstract expressionist paintings are perhaps overpriced. But are they aesthetically interesting. To me they are.

I think that abstract expressionism is interesting because there are a lot of people who think that they can do it, and even a fair number of people who can create an abstract impressionist work on a lark, or as part of a school assignment, or to prove a point. I'm not really sure why one persons paintings "catch on" and another's don't, except maybe its like actors, or musicians. You have to be in the right place, at the right time, and have that certain something, and have practiced the basics (representational art, and basic techniques) sufficiently to hone your powers of observation, and you have to be able to produce enough of an ouvre for people to notice you. You have to be able to have a show, just like a musician (or group) has to have enough work to play a concert.

In a way, there are musical analogues. I like Robert Frip, and Thurston Moore (of Sonic Youth). Both of them do strange things with guitars. However they both can play the guitar normally (but choose, usually, not to), and it is this difference that distinguishes their strange noises on a guitar from my strange noises on a guitar. Plus the fact that they can make interesting strange noises for over an hour at a time, and mine ceases to be interesting after about thirty seconds.

I think that art can be used to make a statement, aesthetic or otherwise. How much one wants to pay for that expression is another issue.

I've posted a quote from a review of an exhibition by a realist painter which is, I think, very appropriate for use Poser users as well.

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2697669

One of the biggest thrills of my life was getting to see: Tolouse Letrecs (spelling?) Moulin Rouge at the Chicago Art Museum, the Tiffany Glass exhibit as well as Van Gogh and other Impressionists at the Toledo Ohio Art musem - everything is so different when you see the real thing - and Salvadore Dali's Last Supper in Washingting DC. Especially the Impressionists. Prints do not do them justice - still, squares of paint????? The sad thing is most of those artists died in poverty. One of my greatest heartaches was being in Paris on the day the part of the Louvre was closed that had Van Gogh's stuff. I always wanted to see the real "Starry Night".

It's interesting to note that the "world's oldest woman", Jeanne Calment-- who had known Vincent van Gogh personally when she was a teenager -- didn't like him.

In 1985, Calment moved into a nursing home, having lived on her own until age 110. However, she did not gain international fame until 1988, when the centenary of Vincent van Gogh's visit to Arles provided an occasion to meet reporters. She said that at age 14, she met van Gogh in her father's shop, later describing him as "dirty, badly dressed and disagreeable."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Calment

It's a lot easier to like someone who you never actually knew.  I suspect that van Gogh himself wouldn't have been a pleasure to be around.

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I wouldn't bne surprized if he was disliked personally, he suffered of mental illness, especially in the latter days. 
Most of mental illness conditions are not very pleasing to be around.
here's some more interesting info on Van Gogh: http://www.vangoghgallery.com/misc/later.html

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That's true.........

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I know I'm probably stating the obvious, and someone should say it, so I will... can anyone say "forum flame bait"?
 
I mean, come on, someone with a "Joined Date" of April 16, 2000 is only now, seven years later, asking if he can post a "beginner" image? So, what exactly, have you been doing in those 7 years and 567 posts to this site?

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Maybe it's a learning curve thing..........

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maybe they  are just really selective. I 'prune' my gallery from time to time, or it'd be 567 posts too..;)
Picasso had a 'blue period', but that's as close to a 'blue square' as I know about..;)

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it takes time to learn the software, hoag. then once ya learn the current version - BANG!!! they put out a new version and ya gotta start all over agin :lol: but I believe the part about the old lady not liking Vinnie. if he were as mad as an hatter, I probly woulda run in the opposite direction too.

Maybe you've heard the old 70's song -- the one that was a tribute to Vincent van Gogh.

"I could have told you Vincent,
that this world was never meant for anyone as beautiful as you"

Or something like that.

Well -- I'm not so sure that it was true.  Instead, he might have just been a self-focused, dysfunctional man with emotional problems.  Who happened to have a talent.  Sort of like a lot of Hollywood-type celebrities are today.  Not people who deserve to be admired -- just looked at.

If people were to actually meet many of their favorite celebrities (who they so admire) in real life: the experience would probably prove to be an extremely upsetting one.  At least if the cameras weren't turned on at the time.

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I joined when I started with Bryce but never posted anything. I only started with Poser 2 years ago, so the join date means nothing. Vincent was supposed addicted to Absynthe, which makes you crazy, I read.

Quote - I joined when I started with Bryce but never posted anything. I only started with Poser 2 years ago, so the join date means nothing. Vincent was supposed addicted to Absynthe, which makes you crazy, I read.

 

Yes, Absinthe does. Apparently it's not the wormwood though, but the acetone (or whatever) which they used to use to extract it.

Maybe he's been using another program during that time and not bothering to post anywhere.

Maybe he joined to view the galleries way back when and until now didn't start using any programs.

I joined in 2003 but I didn't get Poser until 2004, so I had 1 year as a member here before I started posting.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

don't quote me on this, but acetone is an anthetic if inhaled AFAIK. it causes the nerve coatings to expand or something, the opposite of a neuroleptic. I dunno about absinthe. most of those guys who used it also had tuberculosis and syphilis. can one say that here? I daresay it's O.T.

Hi miss nancy, how is that relate to the topic: ) Anyway nice to see you

Anyway, the point was that a lot of those artists made no money and now some idiots are making tons of money off their art, after the artist is dead. Lends new meaning to the saying, "LIfe sucks, and then you're dead."

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Quote - Pollock was actually good at creating esthetically interesting works using this technique. He started off as a post-impressionist (I think this is the correct term), ala middle-period picasso, and started using a looser and looser brush stroke. Even his early abstract splatter paintings are representationalI and even figurative. In fact, most of his "abstracts" are really representational, but not figurative.

 

To be honest, Pollock has been an artist that I've often used as an example of bad art that has value in the art world. When I look at Pollock's work, all I see are splashes of paint that do little to move me. I haven't seen a detailed analysis of one of his paintings, but have heard other others waxing If the artist has concocted some significant, meaningful backstory, to explain the work, it usually comes across as an artist who put more thought into what he meant to do than the actual painting. It goes back to "The Emperor's New Clothes" where con artists' convinced the emperor that only one of fine intellect and station could recognize the incredible beauty of the outfit they created while all dunces and fools would see nothing at all. Art critics have elevated many works, that are otherwise nothing, into valued art. It's hard for me to take the art world seriously when a vertical canvas of a single uniform color can fetch over $900,000--which is what the painting sold for.

If abstract work moves a person emotionally, that's okay. Art is something that is in the eye of the beholder. Overall, I'd expect most Poser users to tend to realistic art or they wouldn't be using Poser very much. 

The funny thing about art auctions is that they are not simply about buying art, but also represent a gamemanship aspect where setting new records for forms of art elevate the valuation of all art of that type. After all, what other means is there to value one-of-a-kind artistic works? The "crazy" person, who paid just under a million dollars for the blue painting, increased the value of all that artist's work as well as similar works, and probably increased the value of his personal collection significantly more than the premium paid for this painting. Similarly, if such works didn't sell for their expected pricing, similar works would begin to lose such valuations.

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So, did he/she post anything yet or did you all scare him off? :)

Quote - > Quote - Pollock was actually good at creating esthetically interesting works using this technique. He started off as a post-impressionist (I think this is the correct term), ala middle-period picasso, and started using a looser and looser brush stroke. Even his early abstract splatter paintings are representationalI and even figurative. In fact, most of his "abstracts" are really representational, but not figurative.

 

To be honest, Pollock has been an artist that I've often used as an example of bad art that has value in the art world. When I look at Pollock's work, all I see are splashes of paint that do little to move me. I haven't seen a detailed analysis of one of his paintings, but have heard other others waxing If the artist has concocted some significant, meaningful backstory, to explain the work, it usually comes across as an artist who put more thought into what he meant to do than the actual painting. It goes back to "The Emperor's New Clothes" where con artists' convinced the emperor that only one of fine intellect and station could recognize the incredible beauty of the outfit they created while all dunces and fools would see nothing at all. Art critics have elevated many works, that are otherwise nothing, into valued art. It's hard for me to take the art world seriously when a vertical canvas of a single uniform color can fetch over $900,000--which is what the painting sold for.

 

Yeah, the blue canvass didn't do a thing for me, and I am a big fan of abstract art. I don't think that backstory is required for art, in fact it often gets in the way, and I usually like to look at a piece of non-representational art for a while before looking at the title. I find myself that a piece of abstract art either grows on me after I look at it for a few minutes, or I remain unmoved. I think in the case of Pollock it takes me a few minutes to get the feel of the work. Perhaps one reason why I like abstract expressionism (aside from the fact that I like most schools of modern art) is that it is rather reminiscent to me of music. (IIRC, Kandinsky was very influenced by musical notions). As to the "Emperor's new clothes" sort of art, one of the biggest perpertrators of that was Duchamp. However, he, as well as other dadaists, were not really making art qua art, but rather statements about art. I find his work intellectually interesting, but aesthetically boring. I find Jean Arp, and his obsession with "navels" (small wooden spheres) just boring.

Just as art can be a tool for illustration, it can also be a tool for commentary (albeit sometimes a blunt tool). Sometimes the commentary is political, and the art is representational (or not, eg. Guernica). Othertimes the commentary is about aesthetics, or the politics of art, such as most of Duchamp's work. Sometimes it is purely abstract, with a drive away from the figurative  such as Kazimir Malevich's "Suprematist" paintings (Suprematism is a doctrine which holds the depiction of pure feeling as paramount and is described by Malevich in a pamplet translated into English and available at http://www.artchive.com/artchive/M/malevich.html

Quote - If abstract work moves a person emotionally, that's okay. Art is something that is in the eye of the beholder. Overall, I'd expect most Poser users to tend to realistic art or they wouldn't be using Poser very much..

 

Probably true for most of us. I'm probably an exception, since my main interest in Poser is to create illustrations for a variety of gaming projects. However, given that I want them to be reasonably good aesthetically. My personal artistic preferences, howver, tend toward the less literal, but, with the exception of some mock album covers I'm thinking about nothing I'm likely to do will be based on that. I also find that its fun to capture the feel of various other graphic arts within Poser, in particular late 18th-mid 19th century figurative painting, surealism, and photorealism. (Photorealism in the painting sense, not in the usual Poser sense of looking like a photograph.) I guess I just like everything. (For example, I like pretty much all periods of Western Classical music, from Gregorian chant to the atonal.)

Quote - The funny thing about art auctions is that they are not simply about buying art, but also represent a gamemanship aspect where setting new records for forms of art elevate the valuation of all art of that type. After all, what other means is there to value one-of-a-kind artistic works? The "crazy" person, who paid just under a million dollars for the blue painting, increased the value of all that artist's work as well as similar works, and probably increased the value of his personal collection significantly more than the premium paid for this painting. Similarly, if such works didn't sell for their expected pricing, similar works would begin to lose such valuations.

 

Exactly. It's a fairly irrational market driven by ego and scarcity, and it is one which, unfortunately, museums are increasingly priced out of. Incidentally, one interesting fact about Rothko is that he refused to take private commisions if the work wasn't going to be displayed in a public space, and refused to hand over a commisioned work to Seagrams when he found they were going to put it in a boardroom instead of a lobby; he gave it to the Tate gallery instead.

You mean the newbie? We did really get off track in this thread, didn't we? Maybe it's time for some...........

Quote - However, he, as well as other dadaists, were not really making art qua art, but rather statements about art.

 

It's arrogant enough to say, "This is art."  Putting your turds in a can and saying, "This is a STATEMENT about art" - well, that's big brass balls, especially if people ooh and ahh over it.  Bunch of nonsense, In My Ever So Humble O-Pin-I-On.

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Quote - > Quote - However, he, as well as other dadaists, were not really making art qua art, but rather statements about art.

 

It's arrogant enough to say, "This is art."  Putting your turds in a can and saying, "This is a STATEMENT about art" - well, that's big brass balls, especially if people ooh and ahh over it.  Bunch of nonsense, In My Ever So Humble O-Pin-I-On.

 

I think that, to a large extent, the dadaists served the same role within high art as the punks served in pop music -- puncturing pretensions and delivering a much needed emetic.  And what's wrong about having brass balls when poking fun at the status quo. We tend to forget that many of the more outrageous of the avante garde never thought that they would be venerated, or become part of the collections of major museums. They displayed in shows at the NYC Armory, or galeries in Paris, and tweaked the nose of the art establishment. To borrow the emperor's new clothes analogy, they often were the ones who were having fun at the emperor's expense (in one way or another). 

So what is art? What, for that matter is music? Does attractiveness have a role in it? (Does it have to be attractive/aesthetically pleasing to be art? Does it have to be pleasant to listen to, to be harmonius to be music?) For myself, "modern art" often speaks to me in a very different way than 18th century art does, just as modern music speaks to me differently than older music.

Quote - http://arted.osu.edu/160/07_Manzoni.php
"Genuine Artist's Shit."

 

I read the essays associated with this artist. The sad thing was that he did have an aesthetic idea, but it seemed pretty purile to me. (And I like conceptual art.) I kind of liked his art (the signing of people, the plinths on which you could become a piece of art by standing upon them, the art sealed into cylinders) when I thought they were jokes. 

One of my personal favorites is **Giorgio de Chirico. ** He is considered to be the father of surrealism.
 
But he had a huge falling-out with the surrealists, and he did not want to be considered as being associated with them.

He must have truly hated the later dadaists.

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I hated 'em too. like that bozo who posted an urinal in an art gallery as "found art". those guys were truly awful IMVHO. :lol: or the time when that guy drew a moustache on la gioconda and called it LHOOQ. :lol: