Hey DAZ ...**

Love the New Look ! ...** :thumbupboth: ____ YEAH !

Kudos!

cheers,
dr geep
;=]

Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

edited 10/5/2019

oh yeah... that rocks!

it's great apart from the odd PHP/SQL connect error - very pretty

My Freebies
Buy stuff on RedBubble

Interesting, visual new look.

Well worth the wait.

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Asus N50-600 - Intel Core i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz · Windows 10 Home/11 upgrade 64-bit · 16GB DDR4 RAM · 1TB SSD and 1TB HDD; Graphics: NVIDIA Geforce GTX 1060 - 6GB GDDR5 VRAM; Software: Poser Pro 11x

that is certainly nice... and quicker than expected... I thought the change was gonna happen wednesday, not tuesday...

thanks for the heads up!

Im not keen on it. The text is hard to read on their forums now.

I love the new design. Very modern, but still very easy to navigate and follow.

I hate it. Looks like a rock star website, not a serious 3D community. Lots of mistakes loading it :cursing:

CASETTE
=======
"Poser isn't a SOFTWARE... it's a RELIGION!"

I find the choice of "colour" hard on my eyes. It's too bright for me and I actually had pain behind my eyes when I looked at it :(

I wish they had a way that allowed us to change the theme like Poser Pros does. I would go back to the old Daz theme in a heart beat because it's easier on my eyes.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Looked. Got snowblindness.

When my eyes recovered, I came here.

They hurt my eyes.

THAT is a first for any website! :cursing:: NOT happy!

I cannot save the world. Only my little piece of it. If we all act together, we can save the world.--Nelson Mandela
An inconsistent hobgoblin is the fool of little minds
Taking "Just do it" to a whole new level!

A very beautyfull lady overthere. But damn, you see her and POW! You see nothing else!!

And all the texts give the impression to float all around. I hope they will improve it a little more.

My Store

Renderosity... what ever you do , don't go making drastic changes like Daz did ! Please :crying:
They went form an inviting site to I can't stay and look at this much longer .

...and now we can tie up the site downloading Bryce 5.5...;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)

Ouch!! It's a eye killer for sure.

I'm glad I don't go there too often. Rendo has the right idea for a design. If you stare at Daz's new look for too long you'll go blind. Ewww.

I'm glad I'm not the only one having problems with the colour/tone. I thought I had extra sensitive eyes or something.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

I took one look at the forum tried to read a few threads and instantly got a headache. One less reason for me to go there. ;)

It's not the design so much but the background or whatever they are using that's pretty darn blinding. Put your sun glasses on before you visit the site.

Um, are we all talking about the same website? :blink: It looks pretty good to me on my 17" LCD screen.

cheers,
dr geep
;=]

Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

edited 10/5/2019

I guess it looks ok..dont like the changing tone in the forums tho...

~Jani

Renderosity Community Admin
---------------------------------------

Quote - Um, are we all talking about the same website? :blink:
It looks pretty good to me on my 17" LCD screen.

cheers,
dr geep
;=]

Yes, I find that silvery background very hard to look at. It made my eyes water and cause me physical paint behind my eyes which went away when I closed the Daz site. I find it very bright and hard to look at :(

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Quote - Um, are we all talking about the same website? :blink:
It looks pretty good to me on my 17" LCD screen.

cheers,
dr geep
;=]

Its the forum that is hard to use. The store is ok, but reading posts in the forum is . . . well difficult.

"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor." -Desmond Tutu

Right? Looks like you are walking in and out of shadows....needs to be one uniform color imo. Otherwise I think it looks nice and clean

~Jani

Renderosity Community Admin
---------------------------------------

I found it very hard to navigate, as well is extremely hard on my eyes and a text size that cannot be changed. I don't feel like I'm at the store anymore and this was the straw that broke the camel's back... for a while now I've thought of leaving the platinum club because it just seems there's not much new going on there, that is of any interest to me and truth be told - I shop here more than any place else! (Plus I'm certainly not going to be forced into using IE 7-my browsers fine the way it is)

Lyne

Life Requires Assembly and we all know how THAT goes!

You know its not working correctly in IE7 either (some buttons are 1px wide)

"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor." -Desmond Tutu

Sounds like you havent been to forums yet geep, go try read the threads for more than five minutes and let me know if you don't walk away with a instant headache? Even those with good eyesite are having trouble.

Very swanky, but not very user friendly....

...and I don't like to be told what software to use!! :0E

Klutz :0(

********************************************************************************************************************

Life is a beta.

In faecorum semper, solum profundum variat.

Anyone else having agonizingly slow downloads from Daz? They say it's just me but my downloads everywhere else are fine. Keeps timing out on my downloads, never had that problem there before. 8(

Ooooh. I see (or should I say, "can't see any longer") what people are talking about with the forums. Still wincing here. This must be hell for Mac users as it tends to have a much brighter gamma than Windows. And I dim the hell out of my monitor to relieve that snowblindness - still bad.

And I still see the background even though I'm here typing. It leaves after impressions for sure. :)

OT, but related, anyone hear about the change for London 2012 Olympics because it might cause migrains and trigger epileptic seizures? I have a slight aversion to such things - the worst are strobing lights and geometric black-and-white patterns.

C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but when you do, you blow your whole leg off.

-- Bjarne Stroustrup

Contact Me | Kuroyume's DevelopmentZone

went there...not too hard on the eyes, but all of the sudden I want to vote Republican...and I don't know why...;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)

I'll just stick to my account page if I have to go there which is very rare as I only go there for freebies for the most part. I seldom shop there.

"I have a slight aversion to such things - the worst are strobing lights and geometric black-and-white patterns"

I see what you mean (or used to) :P That background gradient looks like it's moving if you stare at it too long! Nice for the front page but, for the forums....it's gotta go!! Anybody else happen to notice that their freestuff area is very well hidden now? Bummer.

On the upside, I do like the new overall layout. Very clean!

Anyone know how they made the 360 viewer on V4's page? That's REALLY cool!!!

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

AMD FX-9590 4.7ghz 8-core, 32gb of RAM, Win7 64bit, nVidia GeForce GTX 760

PoserPro2012, Photoshop CS4 and Magix Music Maker

--------------------------------------------------------------

...and when the day is dawning...I have to say goodbye...a last look back into...your broken eyes.

Quote - Looked. Got snowblindness.

When my eyes recovered, I came here.

They hurt my eyes.

THAT is a first for any website! :cursing:: NOT happy!

The new look sucks. Besides being a literal pain in my eyes, the site navigation is not easy at all.

For example, I see they are giving away Bryce 5.5. for free now, so I click on the bryce 5.5 freebie link, but do I go to the page where they offer byrce 5.5? No, instead I too a page trying to sell me byrce 6. I hate bait and switch tactics like that.

And I would tell them that over in thier forums too. If I can ever find the damn thing again.

You know, after this "change for the better" as well as they way they handled screwing up my platinum club subscription, it really does make one so very inclined to shop at and buy DAZ products.

Reminds me of that song ' I wear my sun glasses at night.'

I clicked on the free bryce 5.5. and was able to download it easy enough.

It's not really the layout but the forum blindness that's hard on the eyes.

Extra clicks to get anywhere, a bit slower I think, IE6/7 does not work right, buttons missing. But the worst are the forums. My eyes are very sore. There is no way I will be able to read more than a page before I need to rest these normally good eyes. Though they won't be if I stay to long there.

You would think there would be a few glitches with a new coding but this is a disaster.

It's blinding. Causing eye strain for me too. Entirely too bright for this Mac user. Overall effect? The site feels bland, empty, and unfriendly. bB

Still looking for where the freebees went, but looks great on a widescreen monitor.

Quote - Still looking for where the freebees went, but looks great on a widescreen monitor.

http://free.daz3d.com/

"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor." -Desmond Tutu

I guess monitors are very different. I first saw their site on my Mac and I didn't understand what people were talking about, when they were calling it too bright. It looked quite nice and pleasant to me. Then I took at look with my pc. Ouch!

Quote - Then I took at look with my pc. Ouch!

Yep!!!!

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Mine pc don't do dat ................. do dah, do dah, all da do dah day. :lol:

It sure does hut the eyes and that doesn't happen too often too me. I'm also not to keen of having to go through a couple pages with 'fake & sensual looking' girl faces staring at me before I get anywhere at all.

Let me know when they've improved the look and it's more friendly to the eyes.

Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722

Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

FYI - It appears that the link to [ **FREE Bryce 5.5**](http://www.download.com/3120-20_4-0.html?tg=dl-20&qt=Bryce%205.5&tag=srch) has been fixed.

It's an amazing piece of software ... you might want to check it out.

cheers,
dr geep
;=]

Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

edited 10/5/2019

Personally, I feel like they lost their pesronality and brand image with this move. WHile it is a nice site, it really does not look like the DAZ that I have known for 2 years. Why throw away your whole "look" when that is how the community knows you? I think, while the site is nice and easily navigatable, it now looks like any other site - it is not memorable. It is not DAZ.
(That is just my opinion.)

I miss seeing the promos on the frontpage. I'm really shocked that the merchants haven't complained about that? I would think the merchants would want their products where people can see them?

Quote - Very swanky, but not very user friendly....

...and I don't like to be told what software to use!! :0E

Klutz :0(

I've been to many a "swanky" bars....they usually turn the lights down low so their clientel can't be identified.

....oh, and the girls there prefer $5 bills over $1 bills.....

Quote - > Quote - Um, are we all talking about the same website? :blink:

It looks pretty good to me on my 17" LCD screen.

cheers,
dr geep
;=]

Yes, I find that silvery background very hard to look at. It made my eyes water and cause me physical paint behind my eyes which went away when I closed the Daz site. I find it very bright and hard to look at :(

Same here Arcadia.

Some posted a link to iE7 Pro, http://www.ie7pro.com
It will apparently let IE 7 users get rid of the BG and change the BG colors as others can do with FF2.

It would be nice if Daz could have checked this out and fixed things, before they hurried it out the door on the unsuspecting public.
It doesn't work for spit with IE 7.0. Come on now, how does a tester miss 1 pixel Radio Buttons??

"That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves."
Thomas Jefferson

*FYI - It appears that the link to FREE Bryce 5.5 has been fixed.

It's an amazing piece of software ... you might want to check it out.*
It's not much more amazing then Bryce 5.01 is, DAZ didn't do much to it except for forcing integration with D/S, all these claimed speed improvements are non-exsistant for me. Reason I still use Bryce 5.01, don't need D/S and DAZ didn't add anything serious to Bryce 5.5 at all.

Bryce 5.5 isn't that amazing at all, considering the time that was spent on it and the little that was improved of which half doesn't even work on a lot of pc's.

Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722

Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

Quote -
Bryce 5.5 isn't that amazing at all, considering the time that was spent on it and the little that was improved of which half doesn't even work on a lot of pc's.

I think the biggest thing Daz did to 5.5 was to dummy it up to work with DS.

"That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves."
Thomas Jefferson

They claimed some major speed improvements also at the time of release, but it seems only noticable on certain computers. The whole D/S integration was what finally made me stop buying Bryce after being a user for many years. Getting a notice when installing Bryce 5.5 that I need to install D/S in order for Bryce 5.5 to work well did put me off.

Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722

Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

Well I found the download for the bryce 5.5 freebie. Still can't get into the free section of the site though. All I get is a mysql error.

Thy Bryce download is from cnet. So how do we register it?

I looked in the faq over there wich gives a link, but that takes you too a page to register 5.0.

Never thought I'd say this, but after seein the "new and improved" DAZ, I'm glad rosity has the god aweful blue.

Quote - went there...not too hard on the eyes, but all of the sudden I want to vote Republican...and I don't know why...;)

Hmmmmm......obviously an excellent site design. Everyone should be sure to visit there. Often.

Something To Do At 3:00AM

Quote - Hmmmmm......obviously an excellent site design. Everyone should be sure to visit there. Often.

Right... Right! :)

Hi, my namez: "NO, Bad Kitteh, NO!" Whaz yurs?
BadKittehCo Store BadKittehCo Freebies and product support

Something To Do At 3:00AM

OK -- I just went over there to take a quick look at the forums (which I hadn't done yet).

Frankly -- it doesn't look so bad to me. In fact, I kind of like it. They've got a kind of gradient thing going -- which I suppose might bother some people. Hey: some people get motion sickness playing a jump & shoot video game. But that doesn't stop the industry from making jump & shoot video games.

Remember that Japanese cartoon a few years back? The one with -- IIRC -- flashing red eyes on a dragon? The one that caused a large number of Japanese kids who were watching the show on TV to go catatonic.........? Well.........this DAZ site changeover doesn't remind me of that.

Something To Do At 3:00AM

Stare at the forums for for a while and then let us know if you don't walk away with headache? Everyone keeps going by the frontpage. Have a good look around then decide if you can widthstand it for more than five minutes at a time without losing your eyesite? :)

Although the topic titles now look blue instead of the faded black. The way it was before was like a printer running out of black ink. Just ewww.

Does Daz know about this thread and what people are saying about it? I mean the physical pain issue it's causing to some people when they look at it?

I can understand them not doing anything about it if it was just a bad colour choice with people saying it was ugly etc.....but me and so many others are saying that it physically causes eye pain. They really should do something about that so that it's user friendly and not a "medical risk" to people who visit there.

I'd write them myself but my eyes are so sensitive to their colour tone choice that I can't go back there until it's fixed.

Does someone have an email address for them that I can use to send from my Outlook Express?

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Quote - Does Daz know about this thread and what people are saying about it ?

They've put up an official feedback thread (-> http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=60256) in "The Commons", so I'm certain they've taken notice of the many other threads in their own forums complaining.

I'm a little surprised that they didn't learn from what happened with the site conversion here, i.e. that "one colour scheme doesn't fit all".

**Acadia
**I know what you mean about eye pain. I can seldom be online as it is due to poor eyesite. After rendering and staring at Poser for hours on end who wants to go to Daz for more eyestrain?

I think Daz is slowly getting the hint. The forums look different. If they would just darken the background image it wouldn't be so bad on the eyes.

We stare at out monitors for long periods of time, even off line. After a while it does bother you.
When I'm animating for 8 hours a day I can barely see straight lol.

Seems like the new website is broken already...... it sure is very slow.

Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722

Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

The navigation is broke. They are having 50% off sale, but if you click to see items, it returns an error code. I am using Firefox on XP.

Quote - Seems like the new website is broken already...... it sure is very slow.

Not unusual when DAZ offer something for free (Bryce 5.5 at the moment), run a sale on huge items (the Masters Series items are massive downloads) and come up with a an idea that means many people constantly refreshing the store pages (see -> http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=60250).

All the extra clicks might be causing the site to have a nervous breakdown. I havent been able to login to my account page today so I will avoid it for a while till it sorts out.

Well I for one was an avid Daz customer same as in Rendo . that changed rather quickly , the make over changed that for me. I can't see anything after looking at that site . Once I move my view away from my monitor everything swims in front of me . It's blinding for sure and not just that it lacks life itself , one character on every page doesn't not make a site or make it inviting to even visit let alone shop there . Geeps? surf the site try to then tell us what you think .. with a naked eye , no sun glasses , that would be cheating :) As for their store buster prices..... they have to think of something before they loose what ever clientle they have after this bust at a make over !

I don't like the scrolly thumbnails over at CP... and now DAZ is doing the same thing.

I want the bigger pictures back so I don't have to click on everything.

Yeah, like that's gonna happen... not.

Navigation is horrible, I can't find a thing.
Color is too bright.

Silke

Quote - I'll just stick to my account page if I have to go there which is very rare as I only go there for freebies for the most part. I seldom shop there.

They have a morew or less Daz Thread for people to list their issues with the latest theme.

So far i cannot see that they have made any attempt to offer an alternative Color scheme or tone down that god awful Stainless Steel Steril look that shines like the sun on the water at high noon.

"That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves."
Thomas Jefferson

I used to like looking at the new items from time to time. I just miss the storefront when you logged in it was right there. I just dim my monitor as far as it can go. Helps a bit.

Quote -

They have a morew or less Daz Thread for people to list their issues with the latest theme.

That doesn't help those of us who have physical pain when looking at their site and as a result can't go there.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Attached Link: http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?p=879335#879335

I braved it and went and posted over there in the Commons forum. My eyes are hurting now and I still see their colour scheme here...when I look at this forum.

I don't know if my post will help, but I tried. If they don't change it I won't be going there anymore. I'm not a sadist and I don't like pain and I sure won't go and pay someone to cause me pain.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

If you were the one that inflicted the gradient gray eyeball-eating color scheme at DAZ, you'd be a sadist. If you LIKED your eyeballs being eaten at DAZ, you're a masochist!

I'm not either and I cannot stand it. When I went there, for a second it flashed a solid gray, which didn't hurt the eyes, but was unreadable. Then it went back to snow-blindness. I'd really like to kick the web-designers over there.

Dammit--My eyes hurt again.. :(

I cannot save the world. Only my little piece of it. If we all act together, we can save the world.--Nelson Mandela
An inconsistent hobgoblin is the fool of little minds
Taking "Just do it" to a whole new level!

Quote - Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

Douglas Adams

Anyone else getting that "déjà vu" feeling ?

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2641202
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2641236
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2641477

I don't get this complaint about the background color. The DAZ forums are almost exactly the same color as the Rendo forums. It looks like the font is darker here - maybe that's what you should be asking DAZ to change: the font to black?

The background color at DAZ is gradient grey. Your screen capture doesn't look anything like what DAZ's color-scheme looks like at all.

Gradient grey with the grey letters causes extreme eye-strain which results in pain and headaches in many of the people reading or trying to browse the website. Also due to the half-tone effect of the gradient grey on most monitors, a pulsating tesselation occurs that excerabates the eye pain.

This effect has been examined and documented by several universities and study groups as negative optical effects that are negatives to web-browsing. The effect is so well documented, I'd be surprised if the DAZ web-designers were oblivious to it. Apparently they were.

I cannot save the world. Only my little piece of it. If we all act together, we can save the world.--Nelson Mandela
An inconsistent hobgoblin is the fool of little minds
Taking "Just do it" to a whole new level!

I always had a hard time reading articles on the web, longer posts in a forum and even my own typed letters in a text-editor. My eyes/brains miss part of the text and when doing it too long I start getting burning eyes and a headache. So when needing to read longer articles and so on, I hit the print button, instead of reading it on screen.

The problem gets worse at certain websites having a combination of colors, like DAZ has now. If you don't have the problem it's hard to understand, I guess you can compare it too having sat behind a screen for over 8 hours staring intensively at it, without a break...... but in this case you haven't sat behind it for hours, you get the same result after only a very short time, within a few minutes.

Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722

Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

I recall the comments back when Rendo switched over. Twice. I'm sure that the good folks at DAZ were well aware that they'd be in for it no matter what they did -- as this is the standard operating procedure (SOP) for such things in this community. We've got a forum formula to follow. And we've got it down pat.

And so.....the electronic, pixelated (a word which used to mean drunk) tempest will rage for a week or so. Perhaps two. After that we'll likely never hear about it again.

Something To Do At 3:00AM

BTW - DAZ has some great deals going right now. I intend to take advantage of it while it's being offered. Hey -- I'll probably even buy the Mil Kids. At these prices: why not?

Something To Do At 3:00AM

The background color at DAZ is gradient grey. Your screen capture doesn't
look anything like what DAZ's color-scheme looks like at all.

No, the text of the forums is not on a gradient. It's the same grey all over.

There is a big difference between what DAZ has done, and what Rosity did.

How many people have edited the css to change their color schemes here?
Daz doesn't allow that.

Quote - How many people have edited the css to change their color schemes here?

A few. A very few. Compared to the overall membership: a vanishing minority.

But I agree that it is nice to have the option available.

Something To Do At 3:00AM

Rendo please dont ever do what Daz just did to their site. Please? I want to find stuff, not hunt for it and not go blind at the sametime and it really does look like they are keeping it and not going to change it.

Quote - >The background color at DAZ is gradient grey. Your screen capture doesn't

look anything like what DAZ's color-scheme looks like at all.

No, the text of the forums is not on a gradient. It's the same grey all over.

No, the text is not on a gradient, but to look at the forum you have to look at the rest of the page, which has gradient for the background.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

That doesn't make this comment:

"The background color at DAZ is gradient grey. Your screen capture doesn't look anything like what DAZ's color-scheme looks like at all."

any less untrue.

People are gonna see what they want to see when looking at a website. They are not thinking long term but short term. They only are thinking it looks pretty and that's it they are not concerned about the lasting effects eyestrain can have on a person when they stare at it for a long time. Some people dont seem to care about their eyesite at all and what damage it can cause to stare at glaring colors all day on your screen. and the ones that do like the snowblindness that is now Daz3D, seem to not care about their eyes.

Quote - That doesn't make this comment:

"The background color at DAZ is gradient grey. Your screen capture doesn't look anything like what DAZ's color-scheme looks like at all."

any less untrue.

It IS true. If part of the image is left out, it DOES NOT look like what is causing the problem at all.

I cannot save the world. Only my little piece of it. If we all act together, we can save the world.--Nelson Mandela
An inconsistent hobgoblin is the fool of little minds
Taking "Just do it" to a whole new level!

My post with the screendump was a response to the comment about the "blinding" "silvery" background color of the forums. You were the one who mentioned the gradient (which is not behind the text, but only down the sides), which is a separate issue and nothing to do with my screendump.

Which has EVERYTHING to do with what's being talked about. You're apparently not paying attention to what people are talking about. Your cap has mulitple colors--DAZ does not. So it doesn't look anything like the site I was at.

Saying what I said is untrue is tantamount to calling me a liar to my face. That is rude and disparaging, at least. The backgrounds look different on my monitor, with out regard to your monitor's settings.

To cut people down because people disagree with you is you perogative, however it doesn't win you any friends. I had no problems with Rendo's change over. It just looked a bit brighter, but didn't cause me any burning eyes.

I never said anything about the type or fonts on DAZ's site. Please be civil in the future.

I cannot save the world. Only my little piece of it. If we all act together, we can save the world.--Nelson Mandela
An inconsistent hobgoblin is the fool of little minds
Taking "Just do it" to a whole new level!

We are talking at cross-purposes, as I've already explained. My post was about the brightness of the background, which was a complaint in this thread and at DAZ. It was not about the gradient down the sides.

Why would I post a screencap showing the gradient when I was responding to comments about the brightness of the background color?

I have no idea what you mean by "I never said anything about the type or fonts on DAZ's site." If your issue was with the gradient and not the brightness of the background color, then my post wasn't even directed at you.

Quote - My post with the screendump was a response to the comment about the "blinding" "silvery" background color of the forums. You were the one who mentioned the gradient (which is not behind the text, but only down the sides), which is a separate issue and nothing to do with my screendump.

The colour of the white forum table itself is not the problem. The blinding silvery grey pattern on the site is.

There is text on the blinding silvery grey all around the site, even on the text outside of the white forum table in the forum area.

Also it's not just the text on the blinding silvery grey background that is problematic, it's the blinding silvery grey pattern ittself, which I might add when combined with the white table in the forums, make the whole thing, including the white forum table, really blinding and painful to look at. When you take a screenshot of just the white forum table and leave out the part that is really causing the problems (surrounding silvery grey gradient), you are not getting the whole effect of the problem and are therefore not presenting the whole thing in it's true context.

Quote - Why would I post a screencap showing the gradient when I was responding to comments about the brightness of the background color?

I believe that statement was being made about the silvery grey background of the whole site, and not the colour of the table used for the forum and thread list. The background in this case is the silvery grey one used around the forum table and the rest of the site.

Now please, can we move on and not keep nit picking and turning this thread into a heated fight? Please?

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Over the years working in Poser with white backgrounds and in text editors I have burned my retina a few times; last being a few years ago when I darkened my default colors to greys. Unfortunately I have a bit of color loss in one eye and permanent photo sensitivity to bright light.

Yes this can happen to you. Damn 3d. :)

A white background for text was a poor choice. The gradient background is known to cause migraines. It has a odd effect and not a new discussion unique to this site redesign.

Not everyone still had fresh 20 something eyes anymore. It is a simple thing to change the background color from white to pale grey.

But the difference between white and grey is huge in regards to wear and tear on the eye. Just leave a freeze frame of black text on white on your monitor or television for a few days, come back after the image is burned into the screen, and tell me it isn't a big deal.

Retina burn and monitor related headaches can be avoided. It isn't a big deal. All that aside the site is much less busy, though I notices prices are no longer listed in the newsletter; only the percentafe off.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

"When you take a screenshot of just the white forum table and leave out the part that is really causing the problems (surrounding silvery grey gradient), you are not getting the whole effect of the problem and are therefore not presenting the whole thing in it's true context."

It's not accurate to say that the gradient is "really causing the problems" when it's clear from posts both here and at DAZ that it's the text background that is also causing problems, as stated in the early posts in this thread. There are two separate issues here that require two different solutions. It's not really fair to say my post doesn't present the problem when I never intended to represent that problem.

In any case, you've really lost me now - DAZ's forum background is not white, it's grey. That's why the thin horizontal lines within posts stand out as white.

I did this by scrolling screen caps.
If you are scrolling the forums, this is what the side gradient is doing to the mind. :) It is HYPNOSIS!! I knew it. lol

Seriously, watch this for a minute. See how it leaves an after effect? Like a camera flash bulb does

This is just a square crop. Imagine the whole back witha block of white in the middle..... of course people getting headaches. They accidently simulated a strobe effect

This is really easy. Just make the text box backgrounds darker and replace the side bar gradient with a solid.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

I don't like

Maybe when Daz gets sued for giving users seizures and eyestraing then they'll get the hint but, until then, they are gonna be stubborn and not listen no matter what is said about it. They'll go out of their way like spoiled children to keep the pretty picture in the background, even though you really can't see it. Its like a big joke. Im even thinking of giving up my account over there. The eyestrain is too much for me to bare. Daz used to be a professional 3D site site now it looks like junk, something a child tossed together for children, not adults. Daz has an older crowd not the young ones. I thought Daz wants to make money? Not lose it? Ive tried to like it, I've tried to get used to it but I just can't bring myself to do it any longer. My eyes are bad enough I dont need to make them worse.

It's just a website. It isn't like it is "Feardotcom". :)

People aren't going to stop shopping or posting just because of the web design. Next week all the same people will be there, and the week after, and next year too. And probably yourslef included.

I would just check back once a week and see if it changes. It's not like they are selling oxygen. If it really bothers you just don't go back.. if you can resist the urge. :)

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

Anton, surely no one is scrolling up and down the forums at that speed for a minute at a time. Why would anyone do that? You'd not be able to read a word, and would get cramp in your mouse-wheel finger long before a migraine took hold.

As for suing - it implies people are abdicating responsibility for their own health, and a court of law will have as much sympathy for someone in that position as I do. If something is giving you eyestrain or migraines or seizures, then stop doing it.

Never say "Surely" when speaking for others. You know better than that. :) The gif simply shows what some are talking about.

The simple point , their forum is causing eye strain for many with sensitive eyes, and there are valid reasons for it; most of which is common sense.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

Quote -
The simple point , their forum is causing eye strain for many with sensitive eyes,

It's not just the forum area, it's every page that has that silvery grey gradient on it...which is the whole site!!!!!

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

I haven't looked in the store but I take your word for it. I am sure they will tweak it. The whole point was to make it more popular. Once enough time goes by and it doesn't seem like they were forced to do it, they will slip in some changes.

It's the weekend anyway any there is always the weekly "fix what broke over the weekend list" every Monday anyway. People will just have to be patient since in the end they really don't have a choice, just the illusion of voice.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

The store thumbnail images are on the silvery grey gradient. Even if they weren't and were in a white table like the forums there, it would still be a problem because that silvery grey gradient is blinding :(

I made a post at Daz about the problem. I marked to have ebots when there was a reply, but haven't received any. So I take it that no one seems to care :( I know I can't go back there until it's fixed. I have enough pain and health issues without adding eye pain and headaches to the list because of a website.

EDIT: I just checked my email and finally got an ebot about a reply. Maybe others there aren't happy either.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Anyone actually gotten litterally nauseous looking at the new DAZ site yet? Just wondering as sometimes a strobe effect like that can make people nauseated too.

Quote - Anyone actually gotten litterally nauseous looking at the new DAZ site yet? Just wondering as sometimes a strobe effect like that can make people nauseated too.

Fortunately not.
Once I noticed it happening while scrolling, I wrote a Greasemonkey script.

You may say it's a website, and I agree, but, my tired old eyes just can't take the strain. Oh and I have really decided to stop going. Rendo is where it's at anyway. I got what I wanted Daz I dont need anything else. and it's not just the forums as I dont go there but if I wanted to browse I found that there was no back buttons etc? Very strange.

It is definately, for me, when the gradient is moving. For at least me anyway.

Speaking of colors, time to darken everything again. I know some witch was making cracks about Poser sites with dark/black backgrounds being "so 2002". coughs

I love the CP darker forum colors. I don't after turn away or run my eyes after an hour.

Aging sucks. Okay off to darken my color schemes

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

If they really wanted to make people happy they should have released M4 base, provided there is one, for free then people would of had something to be happy about the changeover. :)

Quote -
Speaking of colors, time to darken everything again. I know some witch was making cracks about Poser sites with dark/black backgrounds being "so 2002". coughs

If I were a witch I would enjoy the black background and demonic neon. Surely you can see I must be, at most, a white witch.

Damn typos. lol Nope that "B" key isn't anywhere near the "W". Just kidding of course.

Neon? Demons like neon? Trust me. If any color was truly demonic it is Barbie pink. I like cool slate colors personally.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

Quote - Neon? Demons like neon? Trust me. If any color was truly demonic it is Barbie pink.

I accidentally clicked the color palette in PSP yesterday and got a sort of mustardy vomit green. It was much worse.

ewww neon.

Could someone please tell me how to find the free stuff from DAZ's front page now?

Thanks.

Don't know how to get there from the front page, but this is the link.... [

http://free.daz3d.com/](http://free.daz3d.com/)

The best & most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen nor touched... but felt in the heart.

Helen Keller

My Gallery My Freebies My Store

You mean they forgot to provide a link to the free stuff area?! LOL Priceless!

I see the site backgrounds haven't changed! :(

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

and it doesnt look like Daz is going to change the forum Acadia, I keep waiting & hoping, nothing yet. :(

Well Acadia, if it's on there I sure couldn't find it. Of course my eyes aren't what they used to be either. but still.....I don't have that problem anywhere else. :lol:

Anniebel, thanks for the link.

Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL

Subject: Hey DAZ !!!