Greywolf Starkiller opened this issue on Jun 25, 2007 · 97 posts
Greywolf Starkiller posted Mon, 25 June 2007 at 4:44 PM
Greywolf
Klutz posted Mon, 25 June 2007 at 4:55 PM
Looks very smart.......
Might have to take a look at that then! ;0)
Thanks for the info.
Klutz :0)
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Klutz posted Mon, 25 June 2007 at 5:08 PM
OK done a search & come up empty....
Who by & where can I take a look, please?
Klutz :0/
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Greywolf Starkiller posted Mon, 25 June 2007 at 5:18 PM
http://www.evilinnocence.com/xd/
The program itself is free to DL, but it's useless without at least one figure license.
Here's how it works. In my case, the figure I really needed stuff for is Alexa 2 because she
gets very little support. I bought her license for 9.97. This means I can convert from ANY
character Crossdresser supports, to Alexa 2. Converting from something is free, it's converting
TO something that costs money. Since most people only need this for a handful of figures,
it's cheap. It only starts to add up as you add figures. Check it out. Shadow Dancer isn't a
simple outfit. It consists of multiple parts, and XD converted them with little effort from me. :)
Greywolf
Klutz posted Mon, 25 June 2007 at 5:23 PM
Thanks for the additional info....
I'll take a wander on over.
Klutz :0)
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Klutz posted Mon, 25 June 2007 at 5:30 PM
Looks like I will have to keep an eye out for when a Miki 2 licence comes available.
Klutz :0/
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Greywolf Starkiller posted Mon, 25 June 2007 at 5:45 PM
I imagine it's only a matter of time. Miki 2 is very popular. I have her too, just haven't used
her yet since Aiko, Vicky and Alexa are my favourite fems. :)
Greywolf
kalon posted Mon, 25 June 2007 at 5:55 PM
Thanks for the heads up! I've been waiting for the AM module!
fiontar posted Mon, 25 June 2007 at 6:08 PM
I've been watching this software.
Is it creating a modified mesh? Or is it creating a fit morph that is used with the original clothing item?
If it's a morph, then the existing morphs on the clothing would still be available. If it's creating a modified copy of the figure, then I assume that means it's only going to fit the default body pose of the figure you converted to?
The site seems to be lacking a little on detail, could someone who has used it give a little more indepth information? :)
Little_Dragon posted Mon, 25 June 2007 at 6:52 PM
It creates a modified mesh and conformer for the target figure.
CrossDresser has an option to leave the mesh-grouping unchanged. This will theoretically allow you to transfer existing morphs from the original item to the new item afterward.
BastBlack posted Tue, 26 June 2007 at 1:00 AM
Crossdresser 2?? Was there an update? looks YES!!!!!! HIRO HAS BEEN ADDED!!!!!!!!! jump jump jump bB
fiontar posted Tue, 26 June 2007 at 1:01 AM
Thank you Little_Dragon. :)
I guess if the figures are fairly close in proportions and the difference between the original and the modified meshes are fairly subtle, some morphs might still be useful. Or, just make new fit morphs for the modified mesh.
I've been out of touch with the community for the last year or so, are there any good tools available today for making fit morphs?
Greywolf Starkiller posted Tue, 26 June 2007 at 1:15 AM
Hmmm. Maybe 'The Tailor'? It's a program I bought at DAZ, but haven't used yet. I believe
it's supposted to fit a figure's clothes onto a morphed version of the figure. As you know,
many clothing items come with limited morphs, or none at all. The Tailor is used to fit such
clothes to morphed characters, I think.
BastBlack posted Tue, 26 June 2007 at 1:21 AM
I use Wardrobe Wizard with Crossdresser. Crossdresser does the figure conversion. Wardrobe Wizard does the conversion to the morphed figure. But you can also use Tailor, or Magnet sets like Netherwork's, or the new M3/Brom magnet set at DAZ. bB
fiontar posted Tue, 26 June 2007 at 1:43 AM
Thanks guys.
I had used Talor in the past, with mixed results. I'd expect it's probably been updated since then, I'll have to check. I'll also check out Wardrobe Wizard. The combination of one of these with Cross Dresser would be a strong combination if they all work as advertised! :)
fiontar posted Tue, 26 June 2007 at 2:17 AM
Quote - I use Wardrobe Wizard with Crossdresser. Crossdresser does the figure conversion. Wardrobe Wizard does the conversion to the morphed figure. But you can also use Tailor, or Magnet sets like Netherwork's, or the new M3/Brom magnet set at DAZ. bB
Hey, BastBlack,
I see that Wardrobe Wizard also does figure to figure conversion, in addition to figure to morphed figure conversion. I'm curious why you would still need Cross Dresser. Does it do the figure to figure conversion better?
Dead_Reckoning posted Tue, 26 June 2007 at 5:52 AM
Quote - I use Wardrobe Wizard with Crossdresser. Crossdresser does the figure conversion. Wardrobe Wizard does the conversion to the morphed figure. But you can also use Tailor, or Magnet sets like Netherwork's, or the new M3/Brom magnet set at DAZ. bB
Could you explain this a little more please?
You use XD 1st and it creates a new Obj file?
Then you can use that XD Obj file in WW?
Tks
DR
"That government is
best which governs the least, because its people discipline
themselves."
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Marque posted Tue, 26 June 2007 at 8:21 AM
I use WW to bring clothing to morphed figures, like putting clothing on GND and it works great. If crossdresser did it perfectly the first time I might be tempted but it sounds like you have to do some work to get it right and then you don't end up with the morphs intact? Maybe someone can come in and do a short tutorial or the person who is selling it could explain how it is different from other programs out there. I bought the tailor and was disappointed with it. Unfortunately I didn't use it until the time was up to return it or it would have gone back.
Thanks,
Marque
BastBlack posted Tue, 26 June 2007 at 8:32 AM
The reason for doing this is Crossdresser does the cleanest clothing conversion thus far in Poserdom. The downside is Crossdresser can only do the default figure. I love Wardrobe Wizard, and still use it a lot. I also use Poser Tool Box and Obj to Cr2. You can see my XD and WW experiment here: http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2695675&page=2#message_2969190 bB
Dead_Reckoning posted Tue, 26 June 2007 at 8:59 AM
Quote - The reason for doing this is Crossdresser does the cleanest clothing conversion thus far in Poserdom. The downside is Crossdresser can only do the default figure. I love Wardrobe Wizard, and still use it a lot. I also use Poser Tool Box and Obj to Cr2. You can see my XD and WW experiment here: http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2695675&page=2#message_2969190 bB
So, what exactly is your WorkFlow?
I have used WW since PhilC released it.
Tks
DR
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best which governs the least, because its people discipline
themselves."
Thomas Jefferson
kalon posted Tue, 26 June 2007 at 9:35 AM
I think you get varying results from one conversion program to the next. The best results, to me, are a manual conversion with Clothing Converter (DAZ). However, because of Apollo's default position, he is more difficult to convert clothing to in that program. Wardrobe Wizard is able to convert, but the mesh on my one attempt was pretty mangled in the arms. I tried out the Apollo module for Cross Dresser 2 last night, and while I'm going to have to do some adjustment of the joints along the collars, the converted mesh was alot cleaner.
Cross Dresser does not convert to a CR2 that retains the body dials and scale dials of Apollo. So once I've cleaned up the joints and have a good working conversion, I'll probably analyze it with Wardrobe Wizard and then use WW to adjust to any morphing / scaling I do to the default Apollo Character.
cherokee69 posted Tue, 26 June 2007 at 11:49 AM
Quote - I think you get varying results from one conversion program to the next. The best results, to me, are a manual conversion with Clothing Converter (DAZ). However, because of Apollo's default position, he is more difficult to convert clothing to in that program. Wardrobe Wizard is able to convert, but the mesh on my one attempt was pretty mangled in the arms. I tried out the Apollo module for Cross Dresser 2 last night, and while I'm going to have to do some adjustment of the joints along the collars, the converted mesh was alot cleaner.
Cross Dresser does not convert to a CR2 that retains the body dials and scale dials of Apollo. So once I've cleaned up the joints and have a good working conversion, I'll probably analyze it with Wardrobe Wizard and then use WW to adjust to any morphing / scaling I do to the default Apollo Character.
If Apollo had a default pose as all other figures do, I don't think there would be too much trouble with the arms but unfortuniately, his defualt pose has his arms bent. There is a Classic Poser in his pose folder might would work IF you could get that pose to be his default pose.
kalon posted Tue, 26 June 2007 at 2:57 PM
Quote -
If Apollo had a default pose as all other figures do, I don't think there would be too much trouble with the arms but unfortuniately, his defualt pose has his arms bent. There is a Classic Poser in his pose folder might would work IF you could get that pose to be his default pose.
Yeah, personally, I think Clothing Converter is a highly underappreciated application. For what it can do, it is the best conversion utility out there. It also has the highest learning curve. But once you get over the idea that your best results aren't going to come from pushing a button and that you have the power to manipulate clothing on a vertex by vertex level... and additionally you can use a magnet system that is ten times easier than Poser's magnets... It's awesome.
But MarkDCs support is not anywhere near what it should be. I dropped a support ticket asking if there were any tips for converting to Apollo, that was well over a month ago, I've still had no response.
The only thing I can think of, and I don't know if it would work, is to pose Apollo with the Classic Poser pose and then save the obj out of Poser, create a copy of the CR2 and point it to the new obj. I don't think it would work, but perhaps someone more knowledgeable will come along and explain why. Or else, I'll try it when I get home.
cherokee69 posted Thu, 28 June 2007 at 7:56 AM
I just got the David license and installed it. I was going to try to cconvert Apollo's jeans to David but it seems XD only wants to freeze now when trying to convert to David. I also have a license to convert clothing to Apollo installed.
So I tried to convert an M3 Shirt to Max and I get an error..."There is no disk in the drive. Please insert a disk into drive M:". I don't have a drive M: on this machine.
Anyone know what's going on?
BastBlack posted Thu, 28 June 2007 at 8:28 AM
BastBlack posted Thu, 28 June 2007 at 8:33 AM
Quote - I just got the David license and installed it. I was going to try to cconvert Apollo's jeans to David but it seems XD only wants to freeze now when trying to convert to David. I also have a license to convert clothing to Apollo installed.
So I tried to convert an M3 Shirt to Max and I get an error..."There is no disk in the drive. Please insert a disk into drive M:". I don't have a drive M: on this machine.
Anyone know what's going on?
You should email them about it. Maybe it's a license install error? I had a hard time installing M3 at first (only unstuff could open the installer). I emailed and got a fast reply. It has since been fixed. The customer service was good. ^^ bB
-Timberwolf- posted Thu, 28 June 2007 at 9:37 AM
Waiting for e-frontier Figure support.
Peelo posted Fri, 29 June 2007 at 12:26 AM
Quote - Waiting for e-frontier Figure support.
I was gonna buy it but it's PayPal and no Sydney, so I changed my mind. Then as I was looking at WW I couldn't figre out if it supported Sydney and G2 females, so I didn't buy that either. So instead, more Miki2 stuff! :D ...And now I am starting to regret it... :(
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jonnybode posted Sat, 30 June 2007 at 3:57 AM
Downloaded this program and bougth a V4-license after your post Greywolf and I totaly agree with you, problem is I cant stop using it cause its so cool :-)
Thx for the tip as I didnt know the proggy existed.
Regards / Jonny
HorseFeathers posted Sun, 01 July 2007 at 9:28 PM
This is a wonderful program. I have had great luck converting things to V4. However, my attempts at converting to Apollo have been less than desireable.
If anyone has tips on how to make this work better for Apollo, I sure would love to hear it.
Thanks,
HorseFeathers
GhostWolf posted Mon, 02 July 2007 at 11:05 AM
Does this coversion program able to transfer morph targets to the converted clothing models, so it will fit different body types? Is it truly a "one button" conversion process or do you still have to tweak around like in Clothes Converter 3.1?
I have Clothes Converter 3.1 which I purchased from DAZ3D, but I am having such a difficult time converting stuff with it because it's a very complicated program to work with. I already got the response from EvilInnocence of the payment address, if the user response is good I might go ahead and send out my check. I am in a need for lots of V4 clothings, since there were lots of good quality V3 models I might just convert them for V4.
Please post some converted V4 clothing models if you happened to purchase the V4 license.
estherau posted Mon, 02 July 2007 at 9:50 PM
i emailed them about freak support (haven't even bought the proggie yet) and it is on the way. love esther
I aim to update it about once a month. Oh, and it's free!
jonnybode posted Tue, 03 July 2007 at 2:00 AM
Hi GhostWolf!
No as far as I can tell it doesnt transfer morphs, however the conversion itself is in most cases beutiful.
I use magnets to create morphs in the clothes, because I dont think the result from the various programs ive tried are good enough..
Regards / Jonny
Marque posted Tue, 03 July 2007 at 10:44 AM
So it does shoes and gloves too? That might be worth the price right there.
Marque
Marque posted Tue, 03 July 2007 at 10:46 AM
Can't order from the store, clicked the add button but it doesn't go into the cart?
BastBlack posted Tue, 03 July 2007 at 10:54 AM
No. Shoes and gloves don't really convert.
On the picture I posted to this thread, you can see the hands of the gloves look too small for M3. The gloves and shoes were not resized to fit M3. The "hand" section of the glove fits, but the fingers are not reshaped to fit M3's longer fingers, they are too short. The same for Shoes. It will conform, and if you just HIDE the fingers and feet, you won't get poke-through, but it's not a true conversion. Make sense?
Crossdresser tends to convert too large for M3. Conversions of jackets have the shoulders way too large. Conversions of pants have the lower leg too large. I guess I will have to experiment on using "poke- through" adjustments in reverse to slim down these conversions? On the picture I posted on this thread, I used percentages to slim down the clothing to better fit M3.
85% on X for the "shin.
Enlarge the neck with a -15% taper.
bB
sandmarine posted Wed, 03 October 2007 at 5:49 PM
I'm kind of late to this thread, but whatever...
one thing I noted with wardrobe wizard is that sometimes, on some clothes, you had to do a lot of tweaking to the results, either softening the mesh inflating it / deflating it...
apparently XD (funny acronym xD) does this job better? I'd really like more insight on this...
BastBlack posted Wed, 03 October 2007 at 7:49 PM
I do have to tweak all XD conversions, but it's a different kind of tweak. Wardrobe Wizard will cause rumples. XD will cause bloating. So wqhen using WW, you use smooth, inflate and deflate. With XD, you can og into the advanced options and tinker with the setting. Since I have no patience for that, I just end up exporting the clothing to Blacksmith and tailoring it by hand. The image is silly Halloween Coslpay with Aiko's nurse dress fitted to a morphed M3. I used a combination of XD, Hexagon and Blacksmith for the conversion. FYI, CrossDresser just added more figures, including the G2 males. Also, WW works inside Poser, Mac or PC. XD works outside of Poser, PC only.
sandmarine posted Wed, 03 October 2007 at 10:34 PM
kickass image, by the way...
I'm definately gonna check XD then... rather deal with bloating than with WW's rumpling, which is a pain in the neck sometimes..
thanks for all the info!!
BastBlack posted Thu, 04 October 2007 at 12:33 AM
Sure thing. ^^ Tomorrow I am starting my G2 conversions with XD. I have definitely gotten my money's worth with XD (but the same could be said for WW too). I like both. Right now I am using XD and Poser Tool Box at lot. ^^ I was just over at PhilC's, The next generation of WW will be coming out soon. Interesting. I wonder what new goodies it will have? ^^
martial posted Thu, 04 October 2007 at 5:16 AM
where exactly crossconverter save the converted files ?
Thanks
linkdink posted Thu, 04 October 2007 at 4:16 PM
Little_Dragon is right:
CrossDresser has an option to leave the mesh-grouping unchanged. This will theoretically allow you to transfer existing morphs from the original item to the new item afterward.>
... and thanks for this idea! I tried this and it worked. I used Crossdresser to convert an A3 skirt to V3, and then used Morph Manager to add the original morphs back into the converted skirt. While most these morphs were of course made for A3, it did include morphs like "Skirt Longer" that are very useful on any figure. The A3 morphs are now combined with V3 morphs I added with Netherworks' V3 Cloth Kit, giving me a skirt that can fit almost any V3 body morph I come up with.
BastBlack posted Thu, 04 October 2007 at 9:12 PM
Keeping morphs is a beautiful thing. ^^ I bought Aery Soul's 2035 Girl because I wanted that cool scifi motorcycle jacket for M3. Sadly, I couldn't keep morphs using WW, not because I didn't use the advanced options (I did), but because the original Obj was not welded! Neither could the unwelded obj be edited in Blacksmith to fit M3. Maybe Modo could have done it or using Poser Magnets. But regardless, XD did convert it despite the obj being unwelded and I could load all the morphs into it with MacConstructor! So now M3 has his cool scifi morphing motorcycle jacket . Yea! ^^ The converted files go here, Runtime:geometries:!Converted Runtime:Character:!Converted But you can override where they go. bB
Circumvent posted Thu, 04 October 2007 at 9:37 PM
linkdink
Where do I get this Morph Manager? I converted a shirt for M3 to Matt3 but the morphs didn't transfer. The morphs to the shirt allowed it to be unbuttoned and so forth so I want to transfer the morphs over to the converted Matt3. Thanks.
Adrian
estherau posted Thu, 04 October 2007 at 11:21 PM
Attached Link: http://www.morphography.uk.vu/dlutility.html
ttp://www.morphography.uk.vu/dlutility.htmlHere I think. let me know if it works for you. Love estherI aim to update it about once a month. Oh, and it's free!
Circumvent posted Tue, 09 October 2007 at 7:09 PM
Esther
Thank you so much for the link. I'm going to try it out now and I'll let you know how it goes.
Adrian
Circumvent posted Wed, 10 October 2007 at 8:20 PM
I'm having major problems trying to get Morph Manger to work. I simply don't know how to do it:-) Does anyone have an easy tutorial to explain how to transfer morphs? Thanks.
Adrian
sixus1 posted Thu, 11 October 2007 at 10:21 AM
Load in one Cr2 on each side (the one with the morphs and the one without).
Right-click on the body in the Cr2 that has the morphs that you want to transfer to the other cr2.
OR if you only want to move certain morphs, right-click on that particular morph and select copy.
Save your new cr2 (or should I say a copy of your new Cr2, you know, just in case).
Circumvent posted Thu, 11 October 2007 at 3:38 PM
Sixus
Thanks for the TUT. I will try this and see what happens. I hope I do it right. I'll let you know what happens.
Adrian
Circumvent posted Thu, 11 October 2007 at 3:45 PM
Sixus
OK, I loaded the CR2 file with the morphs on the left side. Then I loaded the CR2 file without the morphs on the right. When I highlight COPY in the left Cr2 file, it just gives me 3 choices which are:
Export to OBJ
Properties
Cancel
It doesn't give me a COPY option. I don't know what to do from here. Thanks again.
Adrian
SSAfam1 posted Thu, 11 October 2007 at 3:45 PM
I'm a very confused newbie here. So many names are being thrown out there and such.
I have a V3. I morphed her into a vuluptuous V3 with curves. So that is Figure to same Figure morphed. Got that part. Now which one of these are the best for a person who's very new and would like less tweaking and a decent price range? I really am lost why it seems you need two utilities to convert an object?
Circumvent posted Thu, 11 October 2007 at 3:50 PM
SSAfam1
Crossdresser conforms any clothing you want to another model however, it doesn't transfer the morphs. The shirt I converted to Matt3 doesn't have the morphs loaded into it like the M3 version does.
Adrian
SSAfam1 posted Thu, 11 October 2007 at 4:29 PM
Circumvent posted Thu, 11 October 2007 at 4:50 PM
Sixus1
OK I think I figured it out. I wasn't highlighting the MORPH TARGETS as I collapse the thread. But now I'm having a new problem. After I copy each of the morphs from one CR2 to the other, I save the modified CR2 back to the library and then I think I'm done. But when I load the newly modified CR2 file, there are no morphs in it. Also, when I load the newly modified CR2 in morph manager, it shows that the new morphs are there but they are not showing up when I load it in poser. Do I have to copy the file or combine the file? I don't know what the difference is. Thanks for your help.
Adrian
BastBlack posted Thu, 11 October 2007 at 5:01 PM
Hey guys.... Interesting things are afoot with Wardrobe Wizard 2. ^^
More news about it will be coming out soon. ^^
bB
Circumvent posted Thu, 11 October 2007 at 5:06 PM
WOW that is good news about WW. I hope their is an upgrade price for those who bought WW.
Circumvent posted Thu, 11 October 2007 at 5:15 PM
Now while playing with the newly modified Cr2, I was able to find the new morph targets in Poser, but now when I move the dials, nothing happens. I don't get it.
Adrian
sixus1 posted Thu, 11 October 2007 at 5:24 PM
Hmmm...the problem could a couple of things, but the first thing that comes to mind is this:
Does the original figure have morph injections ? If so, you have to make sure that they are loaded in and then save a copy of the CR2 out into your Poser library.
Let me ask this, what is the orginal Cr2 of and what are you trying to transfer them to ?
Circumvent posted Thu, 11 October 2007 at 5:31 PM
Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?ViewProduct=42215&Start=31&vendor=aoaio
Sixus This is the shirt I conformed to Matt3 from M3. This is the link:http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?ViewProduct=42215&Start=31&vendor=aoaio
I know I'm doing something wrong. Crossdresser was able to conform the shirt to Matt3 with no problems. I'll attach a picture of it. I just don't think i'm transfering the morphs correctly. Thanks.
Adrian
SSAfam1 posted Fri, 12 October 2007 at 1:35 PM
Any of these clothing converter offer a free trial so I can see which is for me? If I'm not mistaken, PhilC's WW is 50 dollars and I wouldn't want to spend that much and find out another utility is for me.
Circumvent posted Fri, 12 October 2007 at 1:49 PM
SSAfam1
I don't know of any that have a free trial. I have both WW and Crossdresser because both has it's advantages over the other. WW2 is coming out from what I understand and in my opinion, both work great for me.
Adrian
SSAfam1 posted Fri, 12 October 2007 at 3:04 PM
Adrian,
Am I correct in thinking WW will be the best option when I wish to take V3's clothing and make it fit onto a V3 vuluptuous body? Thats all I intend to do as I dont wish to use any other characters such as Miko, Hiro, James etc. Just my morphed V3.
I know WW is a python sript which works within poser. That I understand but the whole of this thread is talking about clothing going from one figure to a diffferent figure. And that is what crossdresser is for right?
Circumvent posted Fri, 12 October 2007 at 4:50 PM
SSAfam1
Yes you are correct that CD will conform clothing to other figures however, thats what WW does too. I don't think you can go from V3 to V3 since the clothing is already conformed to that model. You need to get a piece of clothing that has those morphs that you need to make it more voluptuous.
Adrian
bopperthijs posted Fri, 12 October 2007 at 5:06 PM
@circumvent
Morphmanager does only put the dials of the morph in the CR2-file, not the morphs itself, AFAIK, the only program that can do that is Morphmagic, which can be bought at the DAZ3D-website.
Wardrobewizard is capable of appling the cothes to a morphed figure, but the clothes will only fit that special figure and won't give you any morph dials (AFAIK, if I'm wrong somebody tells me), but on the other hand you can apply the clothes to almost any morphed figure.
Regards,
Bopperthijs
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vincebagna posted Fri, 12 October 2007 at 5:12 PM
I second SSAfam1 question with one difference:
if i want to put a cloth from one figure to another figure morphed (let say a cloth from M3 to Hiro realistic, or from A3 to V3 Kielo morph), what program should i use? (i own WW but had terrible results with it, i guess i don't really know how to use it...)
Circumvent posted Fri, 12 October 2007 at 5:19 PM
Bopper
I think I was confused as to what Morph Manager does. I thought it put the morphs in there as well as the dials. I will go to DAZ and get Morph Magic. Thanks for the help.
Adrian
vincebagna posted Fri, 12 October 2007 at 5:23 PM
Circumvent, you also have The Tailor at DAZ too that takes a morph from a character and put it in a cloth. It has great results with some morphs, worse with others.
Circumvent posted Fri, 12 October 2007 at 6:02 PM
Vince
I was just looking at that one too. They also have the pro version of Morph Master. Which one should I get and which one is easier to work with? Thanks.
Adrian
BastBlack posted Fri, 12 October 2007 at 8:15 PM
If you want to convert clothing from the default figure to a morphed version of the default, use Wardrobe Wizard. Crossdresser does not do morphs. Tailor will also move a morph from a figure to the clothing but it is PC only, and imho, WW does it better. With WW, you can also convert clothing from a default figure, to another figure that is morphed in one step. I have also used WW to convert clothing that was converted by CrossDresser to fit a morphed figure. If clothing is NOT regrouped when converted to a new figure or a morphed figure, then morphs within the clothing will be retained and/or can be added back to the cloth via MacConstructor or Morph Manager or INJections. And no doubt, the run down of what program can do what will need to be revised when Wardrobe Wizard 2 come out. p.s. Of all the clothing conversion programs, only Clothing Converter does gloves and shoes. bB
SSAfam1 posted Fri, 12 October 2007 at 9:05 PM
Thanks for all the input guys!
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sturkwurk posted Fri, 12 October 2007 at 9:14 PM
A recent conversion I did wih Crossdresser from M3 to V3.
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1538465
Doug
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vincebagna posted Sat, 13 October 2007 at 2:40 AM
BastBlack - Do you mean if i want to convert a cloth from M3 to Hiro with XDresser, i can only convert it to default Hiro?
kalon posted Sat, 13 October 2007 at 6:58 AM
Vince- That's correct. XDresser only converts to the base model.
vincebagna posted Sat, 13 October 2007 at 8:08 AM
Thanks Kalon. So as i never use Hiro in it's default shape, why should i use XDresser? What could be the advantage using this utility?
kalon posted Sat, 13 October 2007 at 9:25 AM
If you're on a PC Morphmanager is a pretty easy utility to learn. And because the morphs are built into Aiko and Hiro, they are probably the easiest combo to work with as far as transfering morphs over to the clothing.
If they are custom morphs, I believe that if you save the figure with your custom morphs you can transfer them as well.
Also, if I recall correctly, you can use the netherworks morph kit to transfer in standard Hiro morphs as well as the Netherworks morphs for Hiro.
@ SSAfam1 The Netherworks kits might also be a viable option for the V3 morph situation as well
SSAfam1 posted Sat, 13 October 2007 at 1:01 PM
FrankT posted Sat, 13 October 2007 at 3:25 PM
@SSAfam1 - did you set any drape frames before you ran the cloth sim ? I've never had any problems converting dynamic clothing between figures
SSAfam1 posted Sat, 13 October 2007 at 6:28 PM
Quote - @SSAfam1 - did you set any drape frames before you ran the cloth sim ? I've never had any problems converting dynamic clothing between figures
errr drape frames? I refuse to answer this on the grounds that I might incriminate myself.
FrankT posted Sat, 13 October 2007 at 7:08 PM
when you set up the sim, there's an option to set a number of drape frames before the sim is calculated. This will make the cloth fit the figure better and remove any pokethru I usually set 5 to 7 drape frames then start the sim. Give it a go - you might be pleasantly surprised
BastBlack posted Sat, 13 October 2007 at 7:23 PM
Quote - Thanks Kalon. So as i never use Hiro in it's default shape, why should i use XDresser? What could be the advantage using this utility?
Right now, the only advantage CrossDresser has over Wardrobe Wizard is that it does a cleaner conversion. Wardrobe Wizard would convert to your morphed Hiro character. CrossDresser will convert to the default shape. Here is an example of how you can fit converted XD clothing to a morphed figure: 1) Convert M3 clothing to Hiro default in CrossDresser 2) Convert new Hiro Clothing from Default to Morphed Hiro with Wardrobe Wizard. -or - 2) Convert new Hiro Clothing from Default to Morphed Hiro by hand in Blacksmith3D. -or- 2) Convert new Hiro Clothing from Default to Morphed Hiro with a Magnet Kit. -or- 2) Convert new Hiro Clothing from Default to Morphed Hiro with Tailor. Using WW to fit a morphed figure is the fastest and easiest. If you only use Hiro, then a CrossDresser license for Hiro only is $9. That's the cost of one outfit. So it pays for itself in one conversion. Wardrobe Wizard 2 may change how I currently do my conversions. bB
SSAfam1 posted Sat, 13 October 2007 at 8:38 PM
Quote - when you set up the sim, there's an option to set a number of drape frames before the sim is calculated. This will make the cloth fit the figure better and remove any pokethru I usually set 5 to 7 drape frames then start the sim. Give it a go - you might be pleasantly surprised
Will do. Thank you FrankT!
bopperthijs posted Sun, 14 October 2007 at 5:54 AM
Quote:
Here is an example of how you can fit converted XD clothing to a morphed figure:
Using WW to fit a morphed figure is the fastest and easiest.
*You forget about a fifth option:
-Convert new Hiro Clothing from Default, to a version with all the required morphs in it with morphmagic, The utility probably needs some update, cause its on the market since poser4, but it does fairly good job. and I find it remarkably simple to use. I complained some time that it didn't worked with Victoria 4.1 but after I filled in a support ticket I got a solution that did work. You have to load in your target figure and your converted piece of cloth, and then you can transfer al the morphs you want: FBM's , JCM's, expression morphs you name it. It does take a little time before it's finished, but then you save your cloth and when you open it in Poser, it has the morph dials you wanted. The only thing you can't have are custom morphs of the original piece,witch makes the outfit often so interesting. Another issue is that I find the morphs rather tight, in this case Wardrobe wizard or clothmagnets will probably do a better job, or better making the morphs yourself in modelling program or with blacksmith: it's rather tedious but you get the best results.
Best regards,
Bopperthijs.
-How can you improve things when you don't make mistakes?
Rainfeather posted Sun, 14 October 2007 at 9:21 AM
this is actually sounding more and more interesting to me. i have been looking to purchase a converter for quite sometime now but have always been intimidated by the technical jargons that are thrown with it. i am not ready to purchase something that costs an arm and a leg and wouldn't have a clue where to start. you see, i'm one of those who plays things "by ear" so if anyone is to explain to me without showing me exactly how anything works, i will never get it, lol. i think i'm sold to this one though and might attempt a bold step and purchase the licenses i need.
thanks for the heads up!!!
estherau posted Sun, 14 October 2007 at 9:26 AM
Rainfeather - it does do a nice conversion. I think you'll be happy. Love esther
I aim to update it about once a month. Oh, and it's free!
Rainfeather posted Sun, 14 October 2007 at 10:20 AM
estherau - i just purchased 2 licenses (v3 and V4)...i am so excited, i can't wait to get it installed!!
estherau posted Sun, 14 October 2007 at 10:23 AM
show us what you do with it. Love esther
I aim to update it about once a month. Oh, and it's free!
Rainfeather posted Sun, 14 October 2007 at 11:00 AM
i will as soon as i have it up and running and got my kids out of the way...you know how it is, lol. =)
BastBlack posted Sun, 14 October 2007 at 12:53 PM
Quote - Quote:
You forget about a fifth option: -Convert new Hiro Clothing from Default, to a version with all the required morphs in it with morphmagic,
Hi. I just want to clear something up. Adding morphs back to a converted clothing that was made for another figure WILL NOT make the converted clothing fit better. If Hiro Realistic was not a morph in the original clothing made for V3, M3, or any figure other than Hiro, there is no way to add back a morph that doesn't even exist. The reason you use MorphManager and MacConstructor is to add back morphs to a converted clothing is too keep useful things like: Collar Up, Collar Down, Jacket Open, etc. I'm not familiar with Morph Magic, is it Tailor and only works on the PC? bB
bopperthijs posted Sun, 14 October 2007 at 6:35 PM
Hi Bastblack,
Morphmagic doesn't put the old morphs back from the donor-figure but make new morphs from the target-figure So if you converted a cloth which was original made for V3 to Hiro, You can pick the morphs of Hiro from a list and morphmagic does the job, even morphs that didn't exist in the original figure, otherwise it wouldn't been very usefull isn't it. Morphmagic isn't tailot, but has been made by the same programmer as Clothes converter Marckus Dunn. I'm afraid it is PC-only.
Best regards,
Bopperthijs
-How can you improve things when you don't make mistakes?
BastBlack posted Sun, 14 October 2007 at 7:23 PM
Okay. Can you post a link to where MorphMagic is? Thanks. bB
gagnonrich posted Mon, 15 October 2007 at 12:23 PM
Quote - Any of these clothing converter offer a free trial so I can see which is for me?
Both Wardrobe Wizard and CrossDresser have demos. The demos limit you to the few figures the demos support. CrossDresser provides free licenses for the P4 kids and the DAZ Millennium Boys and Girls (the program is free and figure licenses must be bought for converting clothing to licensed figures). I couldn't find info on the WW site for demo support, but I believe that it's the P4 and P5 figures.
My visual indexes of Poser
content are at http://www.sharecg.com/pf/rgagnon
bopperthijs posted Wed, 17 October 2007 at 9:50 AM
Hi Bastblack,
Sorry I respond a little late, but I've checked my Mail-box just this afternoon.
Morphmagic can be bought at DAZ3D.com; look for : 3D-software/ 3rd party products/ applications. It cost about $25,-
regards,
Bopperthijs
-How can you improve things when you don't make mistakes?
BastBlack posted Wed, 17 October 2007 at 2:04 PM
Okay. Thanks. Will take a look at it...
BurstAngel posted Mon, 29 October 2007 at 9:57 AM
So which programs transfer clothing morphs to converted clothes and which programs transfer figure morphs to clothes.
I see alot of figure to clothes tranfers but none clarify if they can transfer clothes to converted clothes.
I'd like to know cause I am going need both.
SSAfam1 posted Mon, 29 October 2007 at 11:47 AM
Quote - So which programs transfer clothing morphs to converted clothes and which programs transfer figure morphs to clothes.
I see alot of figure to clothes tranfers but none clarify if they can transfer clothes to converted clothes.
I'd like to know cause I am going need both.
This is what I know for sure. Others can add to it.
The Tailor (available at www.daz3D.com) allows you to alter clothing made for a particular figure so that it fits a morphed version of the SAME figure.
Wardrobe Wizardv(available at www.PhilC.net) is a python script which works inside of Poser. It converts clothing from one figure to fit ANOTHER figure.
Cross Dresser (available at www.evilinnocence.com/) is a stand alone product, working outside of Poser that allows you to convert clothing from one figure to ANOTHER figure aswell. Downloading Cross Dresser is free. If you have Victoria 4 and see an outfit that is made for Victoria 3 that you wish to use on your Vic 4. You would buy a Vic 4 license for $9.99. And ANY figure Cross Dresser supports, you can convert clothing from that figure to Vic 4. There is a list on Evilinnonce's site as well as PhilC's site of the figures supported.
ClothingKit (found at www.netherworks-studios.com) allows you to convert clothing made for a particular figure to the morphed figure using magnets. It works inside Poser.
I use Cross Dresser and V3Cloth Kit from Netherworks studios. As far as what's the easiest...I couldn't tell you. Cross Dresser, I find, does a clean conversion in seconds. I just started using the Netherworks and didn't realize beforehand it used magnets (I was deathly afraid of magnets) but I find I'm getting the hand of it just from reading the tutorial that came with the kit. It's going to rest on your comfort level as well as where you are in Poser, (newbie, advanced, etc).
Someone else can explain Morph Manager.
Hope my rambling helped. :)
BurstAngel posted Tue, 30 October 2007 at 6:43 AM
Thanks for the info, I'll definitly check the netherworks site.
What I really want to find out is how to transfer morphs that poses the clothes. For example, a shirt that can move up or down or a jacket that can open and close. Better yet to add in a morph that lengthen sleeves on a jacket! (I know I'm asking alot!)
I just want to know if there is an easier way than to play around with a D former in DAZ.
SSAfam1 posted Tue, 30 October 2007 at 10:45 AM