OK I have a question. How come everyone who gets mad at carrara says they are going to buy lightwave? I hate that program. Its VERY powerful but it has one wacked out interface...out of all the modelers on the market I just cant see what anyone's obsession is with that program. Have you seen how you have to keep animating around NULL points? How seperate the modeler/render are? Have you looked at the training material that newtek sponsors (its all seems aimed @ alpha based computer..not mac or pc)? I could have had all the lightwave training for free I wanted...they wanted me use lightwave..I just couldnt stand the sight of it anymore. I thought the Amiga version was nicer than 5.6 (the last version I used). LOTS of things make me mad @ carrara..I am about 50% decision to just go buy HASH or something else..but lightwave will NEVER be an option for me.