Can anyone tell me, where I can buy Tamela J's stuff? She isn't here at Renderosity anymore.

Thanks
Werun

probly at 3dcommune. I had been receiving their newsletter for some time, but actually just started reading it in the wake of the contretemps.

Thank you, but I didn't find her there. Perhaps someone knows where.

See -> http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2698512
and -> http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2699468

She goes by the name of "3D Unforgettables" at 3DC.

Well, I didn't know about all that trouble and because my English is not perfect, I don't understand all the comments on that two links from nruddock. So I think I give it up to find her. Thank you for your answers and have a nice week,

Werun

You could try to have TamelaJ find you. I think you just have to make a merchant texture resource, and then sell it.

She isn't even listed under "3D Unforgettables" anymore there.

There's still one item in her store there (won't link).

in my experience here, they always come back, under another name. they just can't stay away for long.

There is only a banner of hers there...no products connected to it.

Tamelaj isn't another Darkwing-Zero, so can people stop pretending that she is, please?.   Her character textures for V3 are among the very best there are.    Her allegations may have been injudicious, but that does not make her products bad.    Nobody has yet produced a texture for V4 that compares with the best  (or, let's be honest, with the second-best) of Tamelaj's for V3.    The best G2 and Miki2 textures are miles ahead of the standard V4 stuff.

her Unforgettable Exotic Blossom - Kaori - For Miki102       is still there :-)

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Quote - Tamelaj isn't another Darkwing-Zero, so can people stop pretending that she is, please?.   Her character textures for V3 are among the very best there are.    Her allegations may have been injudicious, but that does not make her products bad.    Nobody has yet produced a texture for V4 that compares with the best  (or, let's be honest, with the second-best) of Tamelaj's for V3.    The best G2 and Miki2 textures are miles ahead of the standard V4 stuff.

Uhm, she's good but so is SteffyZ and Steffy actually does use her own photos, she doesn't buy a ton of resources and then claim she never uses them just to be proven that she does indeed use them.

honestly Steffy and Mec4D were some of the top texture creators for any characters, sadly they don't do so anymore.

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I am still hoping we will see something from Stefy for V4 & Miki 2....

Katarina has moved on into the music business IIRC.

Shame really.

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Frankly, Danae's Milan for V4 is just as good or even better than any of the 3d Unforgettables (which, on the other hand were always based on thematically on Morris' texture sets).

Quote - Tamelaj isn't another Darkwing-Zero, so can people stop pretending that she is, please?.   Her character textures for V3 are among the very best there are.    Her allegations may have been injudicious, but that does not make her products bad.    Nobody has yet produced a texture for V4 that compares with the best  (or, let's be honest, with the second-best) of Tamelaj's for V3.    The best G2 and Miki2 textures are miles ahead of the standard V4 stuff.

 

Maybe she isn't, but her antics are highly questionable, not to mention highly unethical.
What she did to Victorias is beyond fair.

BrokenAngel9, I wounldn't exactly say she was "beyond fair"...I would say that she deliberately tried to destroy an innocent merchant to get to another merchant that is innocent as well.

maybe - beyond disgusting?

I am:  aka Velocity3d 

Quote - maybe - beyond disgusting?

Absolutely...

What a pity she hasn't published any books, because, if only she she had, you could all stand around in "ethical" circles and make bonfires out of them

why, we can do that here hahaha!

I believe Tamela is at DAZ.
As for skin textures I've always loved Morris and Danae' Millan is a good texture - just a little weak in the makeup dept (for my tastes anyway).
Im not aware of the issues between Morris and Tamela  - other than Tamela always telling me that Morris uses her textures.
Would someone care to elaborate?

Um Tamela really seems like a whack job to me I would not pay attention to anything she says or claims .........at this point I would have a hard time believeing her if she said the sky is blue.

But what if she said that, when you look up at the sky, you're seeing a texture that was stolen from her?

*""But what if she said that, when you look up at the sky, you're seeing a texture that was stolen from her?""
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.*Is it sad to say that would not shock me at all?  I mean-  hey that guy (God,w/e) had super duper access to all her stuff.  Apparently he has no 35,000$ camera to take his own photos.

I am:  aka Velocity3d 

Alright,

The original poster's question is more or less answered.  Can we stop this from turning into a hate fest?  

Yes, Tamela did something the community didn't appreciate, but what does rehashing it, or calling someone a wack job accomplish?

Absolutely nothing. 

 

Lets move away from personal gang...I haven't pulled out the Jelly Pelter in awhile..and I dun wanna...{that thing is heavy :laugh:}

~Jani

Renderosity Community Admin
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Sorry boss they were curious and I provided answers but made sure to state that it was my on opinion Ill drop it now though.

Quote - BrokenAngel9, I wounldn't exactly say she was "beyond fair"...I would say that she deliberately tried to destroy an innocent merchant to get to another merchant that is innocent as well.

 

I know. But I did have a problem yesterday when I wrote that post, the right words just didn't come to mind.
"Beyond fair" is  like the understatement of the month I'm afraid... ;)

Quote - ...I haven't pulled out the Jelly Pelter in awhile..and I dun wanna...{that thing is heavy :laugh:}

I don't know what pulling that out entails, but it sounds extremely rude! :blushing:

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pk
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ROTFL! :lol: I guess it does sound a bit rude doesn't it LOL...never thought about it till now...snickers

Actually its a mysterious machine that gets loaded with jelly...and I use it to 'pelt' the wild ones....usually makes everyone all huggy -n- stuff :laugh:

{Of course we have a few members who are now addicted to the Jelly Pelting..so I have to be careful} :lol:

~Jani

Renderosity Community Admin
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i haven't had a jelly pelting in ages!! i hope you've got some strawberry left!, as the blackcurrent you used last time really did cause some heavy staining, i'm still finding bits of jelly in some hard to reach places!!

Quote - I believe Tamela is at DAZ.

Nope.

Cheers,
Alisa

RETIRED HiveWire 3D QAV Director

Quote - God had super duper access to all her stuff.

:: Wonders how long it will be before some website hosts photos showing a comparison between TamelaJ's textures and a picture of Adam, as evidence that god stole those textures in creating Adam ::

Wow - these are some pretty harsh statements (even for me) - when did this all start? And what started it?

this started with a thread in copyright forum initiated by tamela. that and a related thread were locked, for the same reasons this one will be IMVHO.

sheesh, PerfectN where have you been?! i thought i was the last person to have heard of the whole drama that went on. pity i wasn't around, i have a few words to impart as well but ah well, as they say "if you snooze, you lose" lol.

To my knowledge, Tamela isn't at DAZ.  If she is, she's using another name.

No, its true, Tamela isn't at daz - my mistake. I could have sworn I saw her stuff somewhere else. Maybe 3d commune then.
At any rate, Im really curious as to what happend...

Like Miss Nancy said - check out the copyright forum you can read all 50+ pages of it.

I am:  aka Velocity3d 

potted version:

Merchant A accused Merchant B of stealing images off them. When Merchant B provided all the evidence they were asked for and Merchant A did nothing to back up their claims, Merchant A then accused Merchant C & D (and maybe E) of stealing images off them. When Merchants C, D (and maybe E) provided signed paperwork that the images belonged to them, Merchant A imploded and withdrew, issuing a false apology and maintaining they were right all along. Drawn into this drama were several sites and forums, one of which suffered a lot of damage to it's reputation.

I think that covers it and stays in the TOS ;)

cracks up laffin' @ Vince

Sorry about the stuck jelly bits, but maybe it could have been avoided if you hadn't gotten so excited and jumped around so much :lol:

And yup,  I have some strawberry saved..and some new peach that Im going to try out one day :laugh:

~Jani

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Quote - You could try to have TamelaJ find you. I think you just have to make a merchant texture resource, and then sell it.

 

:m_bouncy: Too funny!

Welcome to Renderosity and the Poser community! We have a thread like that once or twice a year! You should have seen the last one! :m_laugh: You're going to find a lot of folks with BPD and a full range of other personality quirks in the artistic community. Artists tend to be sensitive and sensitivities lend  themselves to loads of hurt feelings all around. I'm probably a bit BPD myself at times. Recognising that about myself is half the solution to getting better. IMHO.

@ 3dsmacker

There's no profit in it. As Lostinspaceman mentioned, these meltdowns occur with some regularity. The more energetic episode's have spawned new Poser websites... Sort of like cell subdivision.

kalonart.com

""You're going to find a lot of folks with BPD and a full range of other personality quirks in the artistic community. ""

Man, understatement of the year!  I've seen more hallucinating/paranoia here than I ever did during my acid phase. 

I am:  aka Velocity3d 

"I've seen more hallucinating/paranoia here than I ever did during my acid phase. "
LOL!!!!

3Dsmacker COBOL? I thought the US Gov still used that old programming language. I am an old hydraulics designer - bottom fell out of hydraulics when oil prices rose. Ah, remember the days of programmable controllers when PCs took up entire floors of buildings????

well, at least nobody has mentioned the nazis yet. there's some internet theorem that all such threads must inevitably mention the nazis.

You just mentioned the nazis, LOL!

TamelaJ is not at DAZ-- not unless she sneaked in under another name.

To be honest, I am a little dissapointed in this community, I have previously worked with Tamela on a product, and I can tell you now, Tamela is a nice person, and would intentionally screw someone over for no good reason. I dont know the details of this copyright issue, but I have seen the comparison images, and tend to give Tamela the benifit of the doubt, at least until undisputable proof comes out that she's lying.

That said, as there is no indisputable proof, my opinions of all people involved in this matter have been put on hold.

How can you people stoop so low as to call someone names, and spread rumors that they have disorders etc simply because you "think" its true. thats dispicable.

unless you have undisputable proof, never judge.

James AKA TemplarGFX

TemplarGFX
3D Hobbyist since 1996
I use poser native units

167 Car Materials for Poser

The bottom line, IMHO, is that the whole copyright fiasco should have been kept private by 3dcommune until lawyers settled it. Both the site owner there and Tamela flung accusations in public, which is very unprofessional. I think that is why people are so angry.

Very true, but the problem isnt that people are angry, 90% of the people out there dont care, but 90% of those people seem to have no problem calling people names regardless of what info they have on hand.. Its a sad trend I see building once again here......

TemplarGFX
3D Hobbyist since 1996
I use poser native units

167 Car Materials for Poser

Sad thing is people see it as a soap opera. I know I did. We forget real people are involved in this.

***templargfx: ** To be honest, I am a little dissapointed in this community, I have previously worked with Tamela on a product, and I can tell you now, Tamela is a nice person, and would intentionally screw someone over for no good reason. I dont know the details of this copyright issue, but I have seen the comparison images, and tend to give Tamela the benifit of the doubt, at least until undisputable proof comes out that she's lying.
*I Agree.

*"...and would intentionally screw someone over for no good reason..." - by me
*incase you couldnt guess, thats a typo, its meant to be :

...and wouldn't intentionally screw someone over for no good reason...

LOL problem with typing all day at work is you get typing disorders. Im currently a victim of left hand types faster than right syndrome LOL

TemplarGFX
3D Hobbyist since 1996
I use poser native units

167 Car Materials for Poser

I'd say at this point in time both parties get the benifit of the doubt.....  I only half agree.

dogor,   

OK I'm going to give a brief outline of what happened with this, because people really can't be expected to read a 55-page thread to find out what happened, and I still see a lot of people don't know the full details of what unfolded.

After that I'm going to lock this thread, because I don't believe it's appropriate to be making comments and speculations about peoples mental health (no matter the provocation.)
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TAMELA J VS VICTORIAS/3D.SK/XIL/NAGUS/NICU1
A brief version**

In April 2007 Tamela contacted Renderosity, accusing a fellow merchant Victorias (Vickie) of stealing Tamela's work.

Tamela never (despite much asking) submitted an official copyright complaint which would enable Renderosity to investigate fully. She continued to bombard the Renderosity office with emails making claims of theft, but would not supply a list of the products which she was claming were stolen.

Renderosity tried to phone Tamela several times but was told she was too busy to take their calls. She never called Renderosity back.

During the 80 or so emails she sent, Tamela had mentioned a few specific products, without giving details of the parts she was saying were stolen. So Renderosity tried to compare those products, as it was very frustrating relying on Tamela for information which wasn't forthcoming.

On comparing some of the textures, our only conclusion was that both Tamela and Victorias were using photo sources from the well-known and widely-used resource site 3d.sk.

Tamela claimed that this could not be the case as she did not use any photo reference sources, all her textures were based on photos she had taken herself of her family and friends. (This despite the fact that she had a long purchase history of resources from the Marketplace here, and she had previously said that she DID use 3d.sk.)

In late May 2007, as it became clear that we were never going to get an official complaint or list of specific accusations from Tamela, Renderosity closed the case and told Tamela that we found no evidence of infringement.

On May 24th, Tamela posted this thread in just about every Poser forum on the internet, with a link to a page at 3DCommune (3DC) which showed "evidence" that an infringement had taken place.

At the same time, 3DC owner Mark sent out this same accusation against victorias in his weekly newsletter - which goes to thousands of his subscribers.

The "accusation and evidence" file also gave an ultimatum to all merchants using victorias' products:

• Merchants had to remove any of their products which were based on victorias' bases from their stores
• They would be "kindly" given a replacement photo pack from Tamela which they must use to fix their "infringing" products
• However, any merchant brokering with Renderosity would not be extended this "grace" and could expect to be sued for infringement - unless, that is, they pulled their store from Renderosity and signed on as a merchant at 3DCommune.

At this initial stage, the majority public opinion was that one viewing the "evidence" posted at 3DC, the pictures were so blown up (about 5x magnification) and blurry that it was impossible to make any judgement. There were calls for Tamela or Mark to provide clearer shots.

Most of the thread participants at this time were merchants who were directly affected by these accusations, since they used victorias' products. The general opinion was that even if the accusation was true, 3DC was being incredibly crass and unprofessional in making this very public accusation, and in "blackmailing" merchants to jump ship under threat of legal action.

Mark at 3DC then announced on the Friday that he was going away for the long memorial day weekend, but would return on Tuesday with "irrefutable" evidence that Tamela was right.

However on Saturday 26th May, Tamela posted again at 3DC with the most incredible reversal and counter claim that the Poser community has probably ever seen.

She stated that she was dropping her accusation against victorias. In fact she had never believed victorias was infringing her products, but she admitted she had deliberately falsely accused victorias in order to "reveal" the real infringers - four well-known photographers: 3d.sk, nicu1, xil and  nagus.

Tamela's rather incredible claim was that these professional photographers, who spend hundreds of dollars in time and money doing professional shoots with professional models in order to produce photo packs for sale - had taken parts of Tamela's poser textures and pasted them into their photos, as they were so envious of Tamela's incredible realism.

The community's response to this can be best summed up as "WTF?!"

Her post rather begged the question of why on earth any photographer would bother cutting and pasting from a Poser texture - which is laid out on a template that doesn't look like a human at all - and blending that piece with their own real photo of a real human. What for??

By the time Mark returned on Tuesday, the whole issue was in a state of critical meltdown. Mark made an apology to victorias and to the community as a whole for allowing his site to be used in such an unprofessional way.

Tamela was supposed to post an apology but in fact made some statements which basically reiterated her claims and ended with "I forgive you all" - you can understand why people are still very angry and disgusted with her.

To my knowledge, Tamela is still claiming that the photographers stole her textures to paste onto their human models.

Tamela is banned from selling at Renderosity.

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OK folks - that's it in a nutshell. So anyone still thinking "Hmm, maybe Tamela was right and victorias is a thief" - forget it - Tamela herself admitted to falsely accusing victorias.

I'm now locking this down because as I said, regardless of how we feel about her actions, it's not right to be talking about Tamela's mental problems.

Karen

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