Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL

**I think that you can expect a counter-blast, any time now, from a character who takes any criticism of DAZ very personally. **

See?

Strategically, the win-win for all this would be for Daz to joint-venture with efrontier, and have them reposition D|S as a "poser lite", with an upsell and aff commisshes to the users to try and get them to upgrade to P7. What a brilliant idea.

Heck what do I know? I've made millions online... (really). I'll tiptoe carefully and be pc from now on. Or just leave the forums. More likely. Thanks for all your comments, it helps a bit. It's just a personal peeve of mine, to have my posts deleted on forums... thankfully rare, but when it happens, the world knows about it. I'm not a quiet person.

I guess 7/7/07 wasn't a good day for freedom of speech. sigh.

RAMWolff - Did you really think for one moment my comment was serious, too bad when posting things don't come across the right way. I guess sarcasm doesn't work at this time of the morning.

It's cool then but sheesh, like this place doesn't have it's fair share of unpopluar politics.

Have a wonderful morning!!

---Wolff On The Prowl---

RAMWolff - Actually this little debate has woken me up somewhat. I should have gone to bed earlier, I've got to be up to walk the dog in four hours!

Well, hopefully you will catch up with the sleep sometime.. I spent 5 days on a fast I just finished up on Thursday night. No sleeping pills either. With my HIV my meds really screwed up my natural sleep cycle so I ended up with sleeping pills, mild one's but addictive. So not only was I fasting I was hardly sleeping at all either during this time.

Still managed to go the gym twice, meditate, beta test for Connie who's doing a fabulous freebie for Apollo and did a freebie pack for a Poser only product that I really dug and wanted the settings for Studio. 48 MAT poses but it's done and I love it! It was really fun actually!!

Aside from that I'm back to my old self. Back on the sleeping pills but minute doses and eating really healthy and loving life.

Stay positive!!

---Wolff On The Prowl---

I dunno graphicsguy... On one hand you claim you're new to rendering and all this, then you make a claim that just after merely trying things out, you decided one software is better then the other. I can totally see that could peeve a number of people.

You could have phrased this in a much more neutral way, like,
Hi, I'm new to this, and I've tried DS, and Poser, and Poser appeals tyo me more at this time...
and then say, could someone point me to a good discussion on comparison between the two, as I'm undecided which one I want to use.

That would be much more open and honest dialog, then someone rather new to both software professing they have the experience or knowledge to decide which one is better.
For one, you have to specify better in what... I've used both software, and there are things in which DS id better then Poser, and others where Poser does better then DS.

You can't expect open, honest and objective dialog when you jump in with prejudicial and authoritative sounding statements right off the bat.

Prejudicial, meaning you already decided one is better then the other, which doiesn't really allow for much of a discussion, unless one has a burning desire to jump in and start butting heads, which is the tone your subject line sets.
Authoritative, meaning, you seem to already know which is better, and by the tone of your title, one may want to brace themselves for an unpleasant discussion.

Perhaps you didn't quite realize just how confrontational just your subject line came across. My first thought looking at it was, uh-oh, I better put my flame retardant suit on before getting into this one.

Seeing how you got worried that your post was removed, when it didn't stick, tells me that deep down inside you are anticipating confrontation.

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RAMWolff - I guess all this Poser/DS stuff takes your mind off things, I know it does me. Glad to hear you can be positive during such a tough period.

Wolff, fasting's supposed to be very good, re cleansing.. and vegetable juicing's very very healthy too, eg wheatgrass and greens etc... I do that, it makes a big difference... best wishes with it, sounds like you're doing the right things! Staying positive is key. There's some great threads about all of that over at tonyrobbins.com's community forum...

Connie, yes you make a lot of good points, it's just my style to be brash and confrontational and outspoken... I'm not very diplomatic or softspoken... though that would serve me well. Thanks for sharing the perspective, points well taken. I'm used to leading and being listened to.. but not in the render community.. so I'll tread carefully ... thanks for the candid comments.

And you are correct, I am well known for stirring the pot and getting some of the most widely-read and most posted to threads started, in other forums for different topics.. I have for years, since the wildcat bbses (for those as old as I am who remember such things).. Though that wasn't my intention here... I just wanted to ask why people using the 'basic' s/w like D|S haven't upgraded to P7, to help encourage them to get better software, for their sake. No big deal.

Anyways, no biggie. Let's let it go.

Thanks for the positive words of encouragement GraphicsGuy! Don't sweat a misunderstanding but you have to realize folks DO take dissing vewy vewy sewiously!! LOL

Both of these communities are really some of the best out there. Folks are always willing to help. If you had issues or questions about Studio all you have to do is ask in the DAZ Studio Discussion forum at DAZ and you will be helped!

TRUST me there are things about Poser I wish Studio had and vice versa, as Connie girl has pointed out. I'm so there with her on those points but it's the way it is. You have to pick your poisen, so to speak. Which rendering engine do you prefer, which is faster, which is going to be more intuitive to you in the long run, which interface do you prefer and the list goes on and on. I have upgraded EVERY time with Poser over the last 3 versions and still have hopes that eF is going to give us more interface options and natively allow us to unplug rooms we don't use or want plugged in. Perhaps in version 8 this will come to pass.... who knows. But by then Studio will be even more established and it's dynamic cloth will be too and more folks will be more curious. Heck there is even a Material Room plugin being developed. Yup and honest to goodness Material Room with math nodes and all that. I have the Alpha and it's just too soon for me to really get into it. I tried to use it but it's just too geeky for me to make heads or tails of it and NO documentation yet either. It's all being worked on but it's coming as well.

All the best and have fun!!

---Wolff On The Prowl---

*You can't expect open, honest and objective dialog when you jump in with prejudicial and authoritative sounding statements right off the bat.
*Ermm... Why not?

Well, first off, let me say that I am not a D|S user.

To post what you did, where you did could easily be construed as inflammatory. Just because people were complaining about D|S doesn't mean they were primed for someone to lead them all to Poser.

Stick around, there are plenty of die hard Poser users who rant about Poser's inadequacies, real or perceived. They're not looking for someone to jump in and lead them all to Studio Max. And from what you say they were frustrated about... You were pitching to dyed in the wool D|S users that aren't frustrated with DAZ studio, they're frustrated that Merchants aren't supporting DAZ Studio-- the program that they love.

DAZ is a very canny marketing machine, they give away a limited program, with the knowledge that they'll secure a user base for content. They sell modules and add-ons for that free limited program, that frankly, will probably in the near future equal, if not surpass Poser.

I'm not surprised that your post was not deleted. DAZ has a very, very supportive user base. They may complain about DAZ-- the same way you might complain about a member of your family-- but they'll take it very poorly if someone they perceive to be an outsider does. They might even label you a troll.

""You could have phrased this in a much more neutral way, like,
Hi, I'm new to this, and I've tried DS, and Poser, and Poser appeals tyo me more at this time...
and then say, could someone point me to a good discussion on comparison between the two, as I'm undecided which one I want to use.""

My guess is that he didn't say that, because, well - it's not what he meant. He didn't appear undecided to me, rather - he seemed curious as to why others would go with a software that he had found to be far inferior. His findings might not be as educated as some would hope - but that's up to the individual to decide how much experience they need with something to say whether they like it or not.

I'm another person who doesn't need much time with a program to decide it sucks. Same for deciding I love it.

Anyway I'm another blunt person so maybe it made more sense to me. Pussy footing (no pun intended : p) - just does not work for me. Maybe there is a fine line between honest and to the point vs confrontational.

I am: aka Velocity3d

Uh, kalon, they did!! I was in the Studio discussion: Hyperion Bar big disappointment for D|S users and it seems our friend here was all over the place trying to edumacate us on how fabulous Poser is compared to Studio!! LOL One of the members posted a very nice picture of a troll.... LOL!! Don't mess with him, Questor can be quite harsh when he needs to be in a very appropriate manner too!!

---Wolff On The Prowl---

Oh, no, he roused Questor!!

" I'm not surprised that your post was not deleted." I think it was deleted, wasn't it? Isn't that the point?

I don't think I agree with jjroland all that often, but she has hit the nail right on the head, this time.

Excellent points kkalon and jjroland.. thanks! the most accurate comment is yours, where you said "he seemed curious as to why others would go with a software that he had found to be far inferior."..

and I am extraordinarily blunt and confrontational by nature, very aggressive and not diplomatic. then again that's part of my entrepreneurial nature... I am a LOT like Donald Trump in personality, very brash, aggressive, usually correct, but sometimes speak before thinking... ah well.

your comments are all very well taken, and I appreciate them.. I was just trying to figure out why on earth anyone would use something that seems more like a shareware program than a professional one... heck if nothing else, this has been a good education re getting "responses from the user base"!

I like to study how a market niche reacts and responds to various stimuli, and reading posts is a great way to get a pulse, quickly, of the community's dominant values and beliefs.

great points kalon about the marketing process via modules and content integration and subscription/continuity base... they have solid content and a great way of delivering it, and I like their company very much, as I do the other vendor storefront companies I've bought so much from lately...well this has certainly been interesting!

thanks all...

Quote - I think it was deleted, wasn't it? Isn't that the point?

I don't think I agree with jjroland all that often, but she has hit the nail right on the head, this time.

No, his post was not deleted. He currently has three related posts going on at DAZ, the first dropped into a discussion in the D|S forum, the second (the one he reposted because it didn't stick) in the D|S Freepository and the last, similar to the one here, in The Commons.

Quote - **graphicsguy - I'm drifting to sleep here (it's 2-15 am) so I'm sorry I can't give you a full answer. I will say though that although in the main Poser 7 is a superior program, saying so over at Daz will not go down well, remember who Daz3D are!

Just to add, If your post was deleted for the reason you think it is then we can say goodbye to freedom of speech. Wait a minute, did we really have that anyway!**

Speaking of freedom of speech... Did Daz take over running the country?
Sheesh, stuff that happens when I don't log on for half a day!
[ducking and running]

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""Speaking of freedom of speech... Did Daz take over running the country?""

lol

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Have you ever used D/S with Bryce 6? If not you don't no what you're missing.

dogor,

Quote - *You can't expect open, honest and objective dialog when you jump in with prejudicial and authoritative sounding statements right off the bat.*Ermm... Why not?

Oh, shush up and listen to me, ya dingbat! ;)

[I escalated this a notch for illustration purposes. The principle stay sthe same. Now if that was meant seriously, would YOU want or expect an open, honest and objective dialog with me? Somehow, I don't think so. I think you would be more likely to wonder about my disposition, or go, woot, whatzzup with her!]

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*Connie, yes you make a lot of good points, it's just my style to be brash and confrontational and outspoken... I'm not very diplomatic or softspoken... though that would serve me well. Thanks for sharing the perspective, points well taken. I'm used to leading and being listened to.. *
I hear ya.. I used to be of that opinion and disposition myself... Then I discovered use for this gadget:
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1286310

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Quote -
Anyway I'm another blunt person so maybe it made more sense to me. Pussy footing (no pun intended : p) - just does not work for me. Maybe there is a fine line between honest and to the point vs confrontational.

Oh, I hear ya! I can ve very blunt and confrontational myself, but with that, when I get like that, and it ends up not well received, I know it's because of my being blunt and opinionated and perhaps pushy, and not because someone or something is out to get me, or out to limit my rights, or step on my freedom of speech...

I don't insist on being blunt, and then when people get ticked off at me on occasion, or two, or three, act all surprized and infringed upon. I know that bluntness and opinionatedness often doesn't go over very well.

Not that I learned how to use it judiciously yet... maybe in my next life.

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There's a difference between being blunt and opinionated and looking to start a fight.

He got short-shrift in the two DAZ|Studio Forums, but he seems to have gotten the fight he was looking for in the commons.

Quote - ""Speaking of freedom of speech... Did Daz take over running the country?""
lol

It cracks me up when people invoke 'freedom of speech' in forums, because 'freedom of speech', at least in US only protects us from government prosecution.
Somehow people take that and expand on it, thinking it means one can way what they want, where and when they want, without consequences. No such thing. Sometimes bluntness can get one a punch in a face. (literally and/or metaphorically)

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i like that gadget... very timely! often i need that one i think...

Quote - There's a difference between being blunt and opinionated and looking to start a fight. > Quote -

Yeah, I peeked over in the DAZ forums, and you're right.

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""It cracks me up when people invoke 'freedom of speech' in forums""

Yup me too. That one is right up there with "It's a free country". Mmmm hmm...(more dot dot dots).

I am: aka Velocity3d

or you could take an alternative. I don't believe any single program is all things to all people, but consider them to be means to an end. It's seldom that I use less than 4 programs to make a pic (Wings, Poser, Bryce, and the Gimp), and on the last one, threw in 2 more to boot...;)

To a hammer, every problem looks like a nail..;)

It's like going to a sports bar in Chicago, and explaining that the Yankees are much better than the Cubbies...probably true, but won't win you any free drinks..;)

I've had posts dissapear every now and again; can't tell if they were deleted, but just blame the server instead..;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)

""It's like going to a sports bar in Chicago, and explaining that the Yankees are much better than the Cubbies...probably true, but won't win you any free drinks..;)""

Hey now! No need to get vulgar : p

I am: aka Velocity3d

*"Would YOU want or expect an open, honest and objective dialog with me?"

Since you come across as an authentic resident of Bedlam, no, frankly.

It would be hard for me, given the wording of the original post, not to think it was a trolling thread, espescially in the context of being posted on the Daz boards. :) If you really just wanted an honest pros and cons, to see if you were missing anything, that was probably not the most courteous or productive way to do so!

As far as Daz, D|S and Poser, I'll only have a problem with Daz if they start to "gimp" content with a lot of new features only supported by D|S.

I really wish they would get over what ever problems they had in the past and find a way to have a better relationship with E Frontier. The Daz figures are still pretty much the standard in the community, it would be better for everyone if the two companies could innovate together for the benefit of both (and of course the rest of us)!

D|S made sense for Daz as an insurance policy when the future of Poser was in doubt. It still makes sense in that regard and of course as a lower cost alternative to Poser for those who want to get their feet wet with Daz content. I had hoped D|S might also have been leveraged as a more robust cross application platform, to allow better use of Poser content in higher end 3D packages, but that seems to have fallen far short of it's potential. However, to try to move it towards being a direct competitor or replacement to Poser, using compatability with it's content as a differentiation point, is something I do NOT want to see down the road.

Looking at E frontier, the attempt to establish it's own default figures as the community standard has also been largely a failure. Options are nice, but (no offense to RDNA) I just don't find the new figures to be up to par.

It seems like a lot of wasted effort on both sides. Competition is nice when it breeds innovation, but I don't feel we've seen any real innovation from either company.

Quote - Hi - in one of my first posts over at the daz3d forums, I had asked "why would anyone use D|S when Poser 7's much better?" and it looks like it was deleted by a moderator... does anyone know the guidelines on that?

Regardless of what you might think, the title alone is a classic troll format and deserved to be closed/deleted. Beat your chest about the injustice all you like, but basically don't shit where you eat (don't go to the DAZ forum and say Buy Competitor's Product Instead).

Incidentally:
"This kind of attack post is uncalled for. Mods, please delete this user. I've reported your post to the admins. Attacking me on forums is an unwise mistake."

On forums I've moderated in the past, you'd have got a week or so ban for posting bullshit like that.

And on forums I've moderated in the past, I'd delete your account for posting what you just have as well. I don't appreciate attack posts, pjz and have reported you to the mods here.

Gosh, I hope you're not actually crying or anything like that. For someone who brags about making millions, brags about how openly abrasive you are and the like, you sure have a very weak helping of self-esteem.

I should point out this thread is itself a troll thread, and really ought to be locked.

Graphicsguy--

The Poser/D|S community is a small one. While some people may post more frequently at one site, that doesn't mean that they don't browse the others.

Your posts at DAZ -- available for all to see -- were instigatory and intended to enflame. They also give every appearance of being premeditated. That is trolling. And yet, when your behavior is identified, at DAZ or here, you start calling for the Mods.

I found it curious (and confusing) that while you posted at DAZ under the name Renderguy, you were quoted under the name of Graphicsken. Perhaps that's a forum glitch at DAZ, or perhaps, you're on your second identity at DAZ. I don't know, and I don't much care.

To be blunt, since I see that is the manner of speech you prefer, if it was your intent to establish yourself at Rendo, then provoke a fight at DAZ rallying your new found allies to support you-- I believe you will find that you have failed.

Point of order:
There is a huge difference between having his post get a lynch mob response -- that's democracy in action -- and being deleted by the PTB who own D|S (which it may or may not have been; I'm not clear about that now). If I start bashing some incompetent, corrupt American regime (hypothetical, of course) on a street corner, I'd be foolish to expect no adversarial responses. But I'd wonder where my country went if I got hustled off to some Cuban prison by government goons. It can't happen here, of course.

I think that's the point, really. Even Amazon "disappears" posts that aren't in its best interests financially. It's happened to me and I've talked with others who have experienced it as well. But by doing so, they undermine their own credibility as a "community." That is not how "communities" work; it's how feudal kingdoms, totalitarian states, and American companies work.

M

except the posts were not deleted.

take a closer look and you'll see at least 3 posts all the same, different topic headers, but the same text.

the initial post was deleted, so I reposted it. which in retrospect was probably not a good idea.

it's not like I attacked d|s's software, I just said 'since p7 is so inexpensive, and has more features, why doesn't everyone use that instead?" it was not intended to escalate nor to provoke the responses it did.. obviously I misread the community's feelings about d|s and should have asked about the differences in a more "curious" vs "p7 is better" type of tone.

anyways, what I find interesting is why such a mundane topic/post provoked such a heated response, that's interesting at least.

GG: I haven't seen any of this firsthand, because I hardly ever go to DAZ forums. But your initial description of your post said you asked why, "since D|S is so inferior." I can see why that got the post deleted, if it did. That is by no means as innocuous as "P7 is inexpensive and has more features." (And, BTW, I'm not sure I'd agree with you, given the number of "features" in P7 that are offset by workflow annihilating bugs.) In any case, I'm pleased to see that DAZ apparently did not delete the post, or at least not the followup. In their defense, I have often thought I posted something only to realize later that I hit Preview and then moved on, multitasking my heart out, and closed my browser without following through.

At least once, I assumed a post had been deleted when this was the real cause, and I did exactly this on another forum (one that does delete posts, as a matter of fact, and primarily in service of their product rep), a few hours ago, only to discover that my post had been "deleted" only a few minutes after I thought I had posted it. No way the PTB found it that quickly. Thinking through the last few minutes, I realized I had gotten ahead of myself and failed to it Submit before closing the tab.

I'm last person to defend DAZ, you may discover eventually, but they don't sound guilty in this case.

M

Ideally what I'd prefer seeing then a DS/Poser merging, is Poser/Game engine merging.. things liek the new farcry editor Stonemason was talking about are astounding, and if either EF or Daz would partner with that tech, and make it possible to use that game render engine with poser content, I'd be all over it.

That would give us Vue like environmentals, and real time animation abilities. Yeah there would be some loss in render quality I'm sure, but maybe they could toss the render engine in there as well, so higher quality renders.

First company that does that WILL own the Poser application market.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

Inflamatory, condescending, confrontational, insulting. You were all those things, and the posts
you labeled as attacks were merely STRONGLY disagreeing with you, and very bluntly. To think
you have the power to get long standing users deleted for disagreeing with you when you have
been FAR more insulting, is kinda ridiculous. You tried the same thing at DAZ, and you'll get
no more joy here, I think. And I use Poser 7 and have been here since Poser 3.

Greywolf

As has been stated the post was never deleted but moved from the DAZ|Studio freepository to the DAZ|Studio Discussion Forum. While we will remove posts from view for Violating the TOS of our forum we do not do so for simply posting something critical of a DAZ product, or promoting an alternate product, but we do reserve the right to move things to a more apropriate forum.

Quote - **graphicsguy - I'm drifting to sleep here (it's 2-15 am) so I'm sorry I can't give you a full answer. I will say though that although in the main Poser 7 is a superior program, saying so over at Daz will not go down well, remember who Daz3D are!

Just to add, If your post was deleted for the reason you think it is then we can say goodbye to freedom of speech. Wait a minute, did we really have that anyway!**

Yeah we used too *Edited to keep out of "trouble".

graphicsguy wrote; "and I am extraordinarily blunt and confrontational by nature, very aggressive and not diplomatic." In other words, you have an utter lack of social skills. Obviously. That's why someone at the DAZ Forums was wondering if maybe you were about 12 years old. Coldrake

Is this thread still going strong?? Sheesh!!

---Wolff On The Prowl---

Hmm seems liek a great way for someone new to shoot themselves in the foot, and alienate the poser cimmunity that is SO helpful.

Like my mother used to say, "Don't shit where you live."

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

LOL

---Wolff On The Prowl---

She was a hoot.. and she typed better then I do.. LOL!

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

There's been no arguments in here in few weeks, I think things were getting ripe for one.

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Quote - "Would YOU want or expect an open, honest and objective dialog with me?"
Since you come across as an authentic resident of Bedlam, no, frankly.

That's nice.

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Weeks? Seems like quite a few months with no huge blowups somewhere.. unless I missed something somewhere.

Course could be people are still stunned by Daz's new look, and issues.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

Quote - Course could be people are still stunned by Daz's new look, and issues.

Don't get me started on DAZ 'new and improved' website... Every time I find something I want on sale, their shopping crapps out. By the time I'm able to log in again, the item is no longer on sale.
Phshaw!

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Quote - Weeks? Seems like quite a few months with no huge blowups somewhere.. unless I missed something somewhere.

Well it was only late May with the last copyright infringement dealie...

Quote - ""Would YOU want or expect an open, honest and objective dialog with me?"
Since you come across as an authentic resident of Bedlam, no, frankly."

*That's nice.
*If you're going to be rude to me, I don't see why I shouldn't reciprocate. I am a bit bored with people who think that they can say what they like and get away with anything, provided they have a picture of a pop-eyed kitten handy, or sprinkle their posts with insincere smiles.

ConnieKat8

Quote - You can't expect open, honest and objective dialog when you jump in with prejudicial and authoritative sounding statements right off the bat.

... snip

Morgano

Quote - Ermm... Why not?

ConnieKat8

Quote - Oh, shush up and listen to me, ya dingbat! ;)

[I escalated this a notch for illustration purposes. The principle stay sthe same. Now if that was meant seriously, would YOU want or expect an open, honest and objective dialog with me? Somehow, I don't think so. I think you would be more likely to wonder about my disposition, or go, woot, whatzzup with her!]

I don't believe Conniekat8 was intentionally being rude to you. It was an example of behavior designed to elicit a bad response and appears to have worked all too well.

Yeah, well, I'm the World Champion at bad responses, so she shouldn't whine when she gets one, should she?

And inflammatory posts like this would have gotten moved to the Arena on my forums where it would be open season on the OP for having the cajones for posting such tripe.

Running to the Mods for the Win!!!

M. the Poser user for the last 3 years... (5-7)

PS:
Mick, the post was not deleted. It was moved because it was off-topic... Now he is just whinging for sympathy. I read the thread and he's the only one allowed to be abusive but yells for the Mods when someone talks back on his level.

""Yeah, well, I'm the World Champion at bad responses, so she shouldn't whine when she gets one, should she?""

wow...
I don't think it's the pop eyed cat, or insincere smiles - I think maybe its the fact that she happens to be a regular poster here who is always nice and helpful to everyone.

It was incredibly obvious that she didn't mean that - as underlined previously she even specifically stated she didn't. Maybe when you're done with her you can go after Acadia - another incredibly nice helpful and pleasant person.

Not that she needs someone to step in for her, but jeeze louis some ppl blow my mind with the way they act.

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Quote - Quote - ""Would YOU want or expect an open, honest and objective dialog with me?"
Since you come across as an authentic resident of Bedlam, no, frankly."

*That's nice.*If you're going to be rude to me, I don't see why I shouldn't reciprocate. I am a bit bored with people who think that they can say what they like and get away with anything, provided they have a picture of a pop-eyed kitten handy, or sprinkle their posts with insincere smiles.

Oh, please! Where was I rude to you?
You're the one with the bad attitude and a touch of paranoia here.

Go re-read what I was talking about. I was comparing OP's behavior at DAZ to someone walking into a group of people and saying, why don't you go do what I tell you to do, ya dingbats whom can't think for yourselves.

You're the one who is all up in arms here, taking personally something that has nothing to do with you and claiming I was being rude to you.

If I was being rude to you, rather then you imagining it, it wouldn't be sprinkled with smilies, I'd tell you in your face, like I am telling you now that your behavior here is very unacceptable, to say the least.
I don't have clue who you are, don't recall any previous interactions with you and definately have no reason to be rude to you. I was answering your question, in a rather lighthearted manner at that.
I'd appreciate it if you took your bad attitude and paranoia elsewhere and get out of my face. I'll make sure I ignore you so I don't get try to answer your question and accused of some imaginary slight in return.

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Seems appropriate on a number of levels in here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking

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OOO ConnieKat's claws! ;)

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

It's the way the question was asked, that was obvious. Your orginal post sounded like you had a chip on your shoulder. Lots of beginners in 3D don't have wads of money to blow on the latest toys or upgrades, so dont knock Daz Studio. I use Poser for the most part myself but Im not using Daz Studio because I prefer Poser or I think I'm better than a Daz Studio user because I user Poser. Thats just snob talk.

This battle over which is better is stupid. Both programs do the samething on different levels, they render, that's it. Thats all it's for. It's stupid to post such topics in the first place. I never understood the bashing of either program. It amazes me. Just be lucky both programs exist and stop whining over it.

Natolii, don't think I have forgotten your abysmal performance during the Poser 7 launch fiasco. Charming behaviour is hardly a subject on which you can speak from a position of authority.

Conniekat8, I realise that the following question refers to events in the somewhat distant past, but what was the language of instruction in your school:

"I'll make sure I ignore you so I don't get try to answer your question and accused of some imaginary slight in return." ?

Freedom of speech does not give you the right to be a rude jerk. I immediately thought troll. Here he says he's new to it then says he's made millions. Give me a break. Get your story straight. I can't believe you say something like that and then come here to whine that they deleted your post.
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That's a good point- I use Word mostly for word processing, but I have WordPerfect too. Not very long ago I got sent some documents (legal, no less) in a format specific to WP. Is one better than the other? Well, I know how to use the one a lot more fluently, but for that document the other was by far what I needed.
I have both Poser and Studio, I prefer Studio's interface and rendering. I also like the D/S specific coontent (used it since the beta where ya got lo-res M2and V2 with all morphs, so that is nice). I like the dynamic features, the python plugins and the better animation of Poser.
If I want to create a landscape in Bryce and populate it with people, I will definitely use Studio- it just works a lot smoother. If I want to build some object in Shade and put a person in the scene, I will definitely use Poser and the Poserfusion feature. To do otherwise in either situation would be basically dumb considering how the programs integrate. I have, like and use both. I'm happy and grateful that there's so much overlap with the content, because that actually is what I really like.

Ok gang, lets get back to the topic please and not be shooting barbs back and forth..what say ye all?

~Jani

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Poser 7 is great. D|S is just substandard in all ways that count... too bad, because I took days to learn D|S before buying poser, and I've never looked back...

Be more discriptive. In what ways did you find it substandard? What are the ways that count? Tell us why you downloaded it first instead of buying Poser 7. I'm sure they're sorry they wasted your time, but you seem to have more so tell us in detial about your experience. Both of them. Tell us everything!

dogor

Morgana, it looks to me like you're questioning ConnieKat's English competency. I'm not taking sides (winks at Connie) but I just LOVE watching people dig themselves deeper and deeper...Helloooooo down there! I've never had a problem with you Morgana, so please take this as friendly advice. Have a coke and a smile, swallow your pride, and understand that any negativity between yourself and Connie was clearly born from miscommunication.

Anyway, Poser 7 is leagues ahead of Daz; no question (Cloth Room, Hair Room, Morph Brush, HDR...nuff said). But Daz is free, so don't look a thinly veiled marketing tool/gift horse in the mouth. If you can't afford (or can't warrant the expense) of Poser; Daz is a sound alternative, albeit somewhat limited (some would say crippled) by direct comparison.

If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards...checkmate!

Besides being a marketing tool it's a great way to start off in the world of Poser because it's free. Daz Studio does animations. It has the D-former tool you can add on that's simular to the Morph Brush and doesn't cost much. It will integrate with Bryce 6 and that's a big plus. The whole thing comes around to one program being all things to all people. I personally wouldn't call it crippled. I'd say they're in the beginning stages of developing the program and it doesn't have as many features as Poser 7 yet. But, it's a great place for a beginer to start and it's free. I use D/S and Poser 7. I've had some problems rigging in P7 and had to revert back to P6. They may have fixed the issue in SR2 I haven't tried it in P7 again. The more you use Poser your going to find that it isn't perfect either and that brings us back to cost again. It's affordable considering what you get. I think you can pull some nice renders out of both programs. I've wasted enough of my own time. Later

dogor.

Since you are not the OP (Original Poster), You need to sheath your claws.

Unlike you obviously, I got help too. But the Poser 7 Fiasco as you so elegantly put it was made such by posters like yourself, talking out of your arse...

SO needless to say, I didn't target you, so kindly take your bad attitude and stuff it where the sun don't shine.

You are proving to be nothing more than a troll... attacking grammar and language now? Real Mature.

I "wasn't" targeting you, previously, but now you caught me in a bad mood and I haven't taken my meds yet.

Quote - Natolii, don't think I have forgotten your abysmal performance during the Poser 7 launch fiasco. Charming behaviour is hardly a subject on which you can speak from a position of authority.

Conniekat8, I realise that the following question refers to events in the somewhat distant past, but what was the language of instruction in your school:

"I'll make sure I ignore you so I don't get try to answer your question and accused of some imaginary slight in return." ?

Don't make me invoke Godwin's Law. I'll do it, I'm not kidding.