Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL


Subject: The gripe and whine thread. Feel free to join in.

SamTherapy opened this issue on Jul 18, 2007 · 105 posts


SamTherapy posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 1:39 PM

One of the things I really love about Poser is having to figure out a workaround for almost every scene I render.  I've gotten the "multiple renders and fit it together later" bit off pat but sometimes I face a real challenge when I'm incorporating lots of reflective surfaces.  

Even back in the Poser 4 days I frequently pushed Poser's rendering capabilities to ridiculous lengths and had to wait for ever for a render to finish or - as I learned rapidly - split the damn thing into bits and pieces so I could finish the pic before I became of pensionable age.

I suppose the mental exercise will keep my ageing brain from withering away too soon but I still find all this pratting about to be a huge pain in the nether regions when all I want to do is make a fecking image.

I know there are other, more efficient apps out there but they all cost money, which is, as it says in the song, too tight to mention.  Plus, I really don't want to have to suffer the bollock aching tedium of replicating Poser's shaders in a non-native enviromnent.

Ok, that's my whine over.  Your turn.  And, please, pretty please, don't turn this thread into a flame war.

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linkdink posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 1:47 PM

My contribution:

For the love of God, it's 2007, version 7, when are they going to give us keyboard control over the morph dials? This nonsense about clicking, dragging, and hoping the dial lands somwhere in the vicinity of your desired setting is utterly pathetic and inexcusable. Posing figures using the dials is the essence of Poser; why must it be the single most frustrating part of the program?

Yes, I know I  can type a number in. But every program I use for audio and video that involves precise values allows me to add/subtract tiny increments with the keyboard arrow keys or something. Why can't Poser?

OK, I feel better now.

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cedarwolf posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 2:12 PM

Agreed all the way across the board.  And while we're at it, how about some program or script thingy that will allow the user to delete content from their runtime folders in an intelligent, "idiot friendly" manner? I'm terrified of my runtime...and I need to get about 5Gb of content out of it but I don't know what will happen if I delete the wrong file.


Miss Nancy posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 2:30 PM

anyway, now is a good time to get those suggestions in to e-f, in case they've begun the coding of the P8 alpha. amongst my suggestions would be to include the several hidden render variables in the user interface, and hire somebody they can trust to do a proper manual, devoid of the circular definitions which have plagued all previous poser manuals.



jjroland posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 2:36 PM

Ohhh is this just a Poser complaint thread or all of 3D?  Maybe best just to stick with Poser lest my complaint list become the size of the Bible (King James).

So my biggest Poser complaint is SCALE.  Why for the love of god must they make the scale in that program so freakin small in comparison to the modeling programs.  Scaling up to 500 then down to some fraction, then back to this for other program only to have to import back into poser and find that I was off by .00004 and no I don't get to KNOW that number, I have to guess at it and hope.  It's absurd.


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surreality posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 2:37 PM

"Everybody|Nobody (pick one) does [completely random thing] and therefore, Users|Customers|Vendors|Brokers (pick one) are [bad thing]." If I see one more iteration of this, I'm gonna need a drink of something much stronger than coffee. Bonus irritation points if this is a matter of taste issue. Extra triple bonus irritation points if the statement is patently false and would be proven so if the people spouting off these sweeping universals looked around a little bit before making them. Equally irksome, similar: "I do things this specific way, even though there are a dozen totally valid ways to do it. Anyone who doesn't do it my way is [insert laundry list of bad things here] and they should be Pelted with Rotten Eggs|Eaten by Rabid Badgers|Be Reincarnated as a Celebrity's Vanity Purse Poodle." Alas, the software can't fix this one, I fear. (Not a flame about any other post in this thread in any way at all just in case anyone's taking it that way, it's just the #1 thing I had need to vent.)

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3DMark posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 2:43 PM

I want a cable to plug in my head so what i can imagine actually comes out on the screen, course wireless would be several versions later, i'm realistic


vince3 posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 2:45 PM

i hate it when i have my white 3/4 shorts on (for playing footy in) and i go and make a cheese and brown sauce (HP) sandwich, just before setting off to practise my Beckham free kicks, that with the first bite, i get a big brown splat o' sauce on me crotchy bits, and attempted cleaning only makes it worse and bigger.it is so hard to pose after scoring my goal with a big brown crotchy stain!!

i also hate the fact that bounty bars come as two little bars, instead of one big bar like all other chocolate bars, i know that i am missing at least a bite of bounty bar, it doesn't make it cool to have two bars, and i have no intention of ever sharing my bounty bar with anyone, so give me back my bite........DAMMIT!!! give me one big bar!!

i have to buy two bars to compensate for that missing bit.

that's me done, next..........


3Dsmacker posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 2:57 PM

"every program I use for audio and video that involves precise values allows me to add/subtract tiny increments with the keyboard arrow keys or something. Why can't Poser?"

YOU MEANT IT DOESN"T DO THAT? I was hoping I'd finally get to the place in the tutorial where it would tell me how to do that!  AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!


RAMWorks posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 2:57 PM

Well I'm not much a Poser user because of the interface.  Give us more options for the interface.  HELL rip off the Studio interface and get that written into the Poser interface so those of us that DO want more options and tools can feel comfortable working back and forth between apps.  Of course this would include a switch to take one back to the default Poser interface that many like so much.....

This current click on one body part at a time or select ONE surface at a time is just archaic considering most of the other apps out there allows you to use the Ctrl key or Command key to click and choose what parts or surfaces you want selected to work with. 

Color schemes would also make it more enjoyable.  A way to UNPLUG unused rooms so upon load up Poser might just load up a bit faster! 

There, this coming from a Studio user that upgrades his Poser every time just in case eF DOES listen!! LOL

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stormchaser posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 2:58 PM

Here's a Poser gripe that's always annoyed me but I've never bothered to mention it, until now!
I hope I can explain this right, it's only a small gripe though.
I'm in my main 'Poses' section in the library of which I have many many subfolders. Let's say I'm in my characters section which has quite a few subfolders becauce I have alot of varied skin textures. I may have to go through quite a few folders to find say a certain eye texture I need or lips etc. After I have come out of a folder I would like to move straight onto the next one, but oh no, I'm right back at the top of the list again so I have to start scrolling again.
Does this make any sense or am I just mad! :tongue1:



stormchaser posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 3:02 PM

vince3 - I'm totally with you on the Bounty bars! Damn, I could do with one right now. :tongue1:



ockham posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 3:03 PM

At the moment I don't have any Poser bitchings, but a big grouse for another
e-frontier product.  I just plopped down $150 to upgrade from Amapi Designer
to Amapi Pro 7.5  ... basically taking advantage of a temporary low price to
get into the upgrade path for Amapi 8, coming out soon.   After trying out A P 7,
I find it has no significant advantages over A Designer, and more bugs.   
Selecting points takes more steps; naming things is no easier; separating
material groups is no easier; creating shapes is no different.

Tried one of my standard shape-building methods, which works smoothly in A D,
and A P crashed hard.

Just hoping some of these things will be improved in A P 8.

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stormchaser posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 3:09 PM

I'm not even going to mention Vue. I'll leave that one for thefixer!! 😄



Conniekat8 posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 3:14 PM

I was so mad driving to work today, a lady in a left (fast) line driving 5 miles under the speed limit. I was ready to throw my breakfast burrito at her.  Instead, I'm wearing the breakfast burrito on my shirt today. 
Vue... oh NO... I just acquired Vue waiting to install, no.. NOOOO....  don't wanna hear anything about vue... at the moment.  [kitty covers her eyes plugs up her ears and runs under the bed]

@RAMWolff... Poser interface? There's someone that actually LIKES poser interface??? :blink:

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vince3 posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 3:18 PM

well i luv vue!

awww!!....and i luv vue tooooo!!

(that is only the second time i have used that gag, so it's still quite new really!!)

recommends trying new "Starbar" to stormy, thems better than a boost bar even!!


Ghostofmacbeth posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 3:35 PM

Quote - @RAMWolff... Poser interface? There's someone that actually LIKES poser interface??? :blink:

Yep ... Well, most of it.



TrekkieGrrrl posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 4:09 PM

Quote -
@RAMWolff... Poser interface? There's someone that actually LIKES poser interface??? :blink:

Guilty as charged. I honestly love the Poser interface and absolutely prefer it to D|S's fugly lightwave'ish boring ... something.

I would wish the dials worked better of course, but as a whole I like the interface. It's wonderfully intuitive and at least to me, pretty, too.

Then again I've always liked Kai Krause's interfaces. I guess it's a love or hate thing with'em.
Now lessee.. something to bitch about...

Right: The weather! Today they'd forecast miserable weather, and I got hubby to drive me to work (he's on holiday now) - and hoped that he would pick me up afterwards again. But since the weather - quite against all odds - stayed (fairly) nice and dry, he went out to photograph trains instead so I had to take the bus home!

Now THAT's just not on!

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FrankT posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 4:20 PM

Quote - Here's a Poser gripe that's always annoyed me but I've never bothered to mention it, until now!
I hope I can explain this right, it's only a small gripe though.
I'm in my main 'Poses' section in the library of which I have many many subfolders. Let's say I'm in my characters section which has quite a few subfolders becauce I have alot of varied skin textures. I may have to go through quite a few folders to find say a certain eye texture I need or lips etc. After I have come out of a folder I would like to move straight onto the next one, but oh no, I'm right back at the top of the list again so I have to start scrolling again.
Does this make any sense or am I just mad! :tongue1:

oh yeah, makes perfect sense and drives me nuts !!!  How hard can it be to sort it out ????

I also like the Poser interface and Vue is bloody awesome

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surreality posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 4:25 PM

I'm actually one of the shameful weirdos that likes the Poser interface, too. It appeals to the 'OOOO, what does this shiny little button do?' that goes on endlessly in my brain. I do get why a lot of people find it counterintuitive, however. A lot of other interfaces, to me, look like work. I don't know how to explain it other than that, but I do find that my creativity is strongly linked to my sense of "play", and it ends up making a huge difference in the final result as well as my enjoyment while working on a project. The interface on the ZBrush demo I tried, for comparison, made my inner child shriek wildly and hide under the bed. grin

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Conniekat8 posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 4:26 PM

Why, smack me silly!!! 
There's people that actually like poser interface!

then again, I kind of like Bryce interface, so... go figure!

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RAMWorks posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 4:29 PM

Quote - @RAMWolff... Poser interface? There's someone that actually LIKES poser interface??? :blink:

I know hon, can you believe it??  Now watch, the droves of folks will begin to throw rotten veggies at me for my little quip!!

Vince... bad bad Vince.  Bad quips, worse than mine!!! HAHA!!

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SamTherapy posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 4:32 PM

I like the Poser interface, too.  With some qualifications, though.  I wish the library palette would support multiple open libraries instead of having to jump backwards and forwards from Figures to Pose, to Camera or whatever.  I also think the trackball area could be made half the size it is and give me some more real estate on my screen.

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surreality posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 4:33 PM

grin No rotten veggies here. If someone is looking for something specific it is almost impossible to find on a 'oooh, what does this button do?' interface. They're good to learn on, though, if you can make the mental connections between 'shiny button' and 'performs this function', because then you can look for it by function on other software.

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stormchaser posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 4:41 PM

Conniekat8 - I happen to love Vue, I do most of my renders in this great program. I mentioned it because it does give some people problems. I only have 1GB of memory so I have to manage my work carefully. GI & GR are a godsend! You will love your renders Connie if you want realistic lighting.

vince3 - There's a new Starbar? I have to try it, I loved these when I was younger. :tongue1:



RAMWorks posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 4:44 PM

Well thanks **Surreality**.  I still think it would be cool to adopt the Studio interface in a way to lure us over to the Poser side a bit more and I agree with Sam as well, the library is just so limiting as well.  I have mine set up about as well as it can be set up to allow for the fastest getting around but alas there are still too many clicks for one that has multiple runtimes loaded in.  It's not *so* bad at the moment since I have about 4 of my 25 runtimes loaded strictly for testing (V4, Hair, Apollo and the default Poser runtimes are IT for now).  Just think there could be a faster solution and less clicks to get to where you want to be.  Be nice if you could set the scroll to one line at a time.  For me it gets confusing when things go flying by me TOO quickly as I end up missing thumbnails that way!!

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stormchaser posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 4:47 PM

I admit I'm another who likes the simplicity of the Poser interface. I agree with you Surreality, the ZBrush interface is just pig ugly!



Conniekat8 posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 4:51 PM

I think Blender people must have made Z brush interface. Those two drive me batty. And I'm used to complex interfaces... at work.

Thanks stormchaser, I'm looking forward to using it :)

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stormchaser posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 4:58 PM

Two of the best interfaces out there. Poser & Vue!



mathman posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 5:14 PM

One of my (few) gripes about Poser is to do with the light controls. Those little circles representing each light are very hard to maneuver. They have a mind of their own - a bit like shopping trolleys in the supermarket.


stormchaser posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 5:17 PM

Connie - I created this the other day while I was working on some atmosphere, material & render settings. I have it as my desktop picture at the moment. With so many options at your disposal remarkable scenery can be achieved with Vue.

Sorry, I've gone off the topic of griping. I'll think of something else!



kalon posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 6:25 PM

I totally agree with you, stormchaser, about the library thing... very irritating. My pet peeve, and I'll swear this is a new issue, is well, let me 'splain...

Maybe it's just me, but it used to be...
Saving a PZ3, navigate to the directory I wanted it in, name it, click save. Export the picture, default to the same directory I just saved the PZ3 in, and as I'm typing in the name it's trying to smart fill out the name for me... That was just in Poser 6... I loved that. Now in Poser 7, every frickin time I turn around, it's trying to save exported images to the default runtime's texture folder.

Which brings me to my bigger pet peeve, when is Poser going to automatically generate thumbnails of a PZ3 file? There is really nothing that you can preview a PZ3 in, they take forever to load and fill up your memory with things you don't need just because you're trying to find a file.

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stormchaser posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 7:26 PM

kalon - Yeah, that annoys me when it tries to save to the texture folder. What the hell's that about?
I'm so glad you brought up the thumbnail thing, I knew there was something I wanted to mention on here in the past. Vue generates a thumbnail for you so it's so easy to look through your folder & find which file is the one you really want to load. Yes I know we should always name our saved files properly but sometimes having the thumbnail there would be so much easier, especially when you can have so many saves from the same project. This should definitely come with Poser 8.



pakled posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 7:44 PM

hmm...I'm not a big fan of the interface (I'm just used to it..;), but the 'start at the top' bit does get on my t**s..;)

My current gripe is trying to use a texture, and Poser will spend 2 minutes for every @#$ing bit that's loaded; and if anything's missing, Poser locks up. This after actually copying (manually), everything to the correct directories..suspect it's because I'm using 5 (which I'm quite happy with, considering the price I [didn't] have to pay..;)

but then I'd complain if I was hung with a new rope..;)

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stormchaser posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 7:58 PM

"but then I'd complain if I was hung with a new rope"

pakled - I'm glad my last post read tonight was a good 'un, LOL! :laugh:



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How about this?

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ockham posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 8:36 PM

Ditto Kalon.  P6 finally got the folder locations right for file opening and saving.  
The default locations were just where you expected them to be.

Now P7 goes to Runtime:Textures for everything, including exported images
and animations.  This can get seriously confusing, because the files that
are supposed  to be in Textures are all image files.  

It also fails to handle the base name properly for image sequences; it
defaults to " .png" and if you forget to fill in the front part, you get names
like TEXTURES_0001.PNG.   [This seems to be part of  a larger confusion
between folder names and file names in P7, which also shows up in saving
a new figure.]

Earlier versions filled in the base of the sequence with the "MovieName" 
which is always contained in the PZ3 file, and warned you if you were overwriting
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Mogwa posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 9:08 PM

Compared to any Autodesk product, Poser's interface is extremely user friendly. I've always considered it to be one of the program's better features.


kalon posted Wed, 18 July 2007 at 9:18 PM

Well, since this is an open invitational, I'll bring up my biggest pet peeve. It's a little embarassing, as apparently it doesn't bother anyone else...

The light system.

Yes, I know the earth is round. Yes, I remember reading something where it was mentioned that Poser doesn't have any limits as far as depth and width of scene. But frankly, I don't see too many renders where someone is trying to render something so vast that it shows the curvature of the planet. I must be missing them.

Why the devil can't the light system be based on a flat xyz coordinate system?

Okay, it's out. My secret pet peeve that demonstrates my total inadequacy with lighting.

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RAMWorks posted Thu, 19 July 2007 at 12:58 AM

OK, went through the hassle of changing the colors in all the PSD files for the interface.  BUT there seems to be some that I can't find.  Please see the image to see what I need and post where the files are so I can get in there and complete this little project.  I hope these are changable?  Perhaps they are in one of the PSD's with locked layers but that's easily remedied 😉

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Ghostofmacbeth posted Thu, 19 July 2007 at 7:35 AM

I know the background can be changed (I have seen some really nasty ones that people have shown) but I am not sure how. I don't know about the others but I think they can be done as well. Maybe a new thread might get more notice?



cedarwolf posted Thu, 19 July 2007 at 9:40 AM

Perhaps a Geep Tutorial on how to change and modify the interface would be in order?  Oh...Doctor....??


RAMWorks posted Thu, 19 July 2007 at 10:06 AM

DAT would be veddy veddy nice!! 

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aeilkema posted Thu, 19 July 2007 at 10:13 AM

I love Poser 6, for what you pay for it, it's an awesome deal. I really like the interface, I find it well thought through. I never took the effort to upgrade to Poser 7 and from what I'm reading over and over again, I don't seem to be missing much. Poser 6 suits me well and I just like the way it looks, works and what can accomplish.

I've got nothing to whine about..... if I had payed as much for it as I've paid for some of the other applications I do own, I sure would be complaining.... a lot. If you hate Poser's interface try TrueSpace. If you really want broken features, try TrueSpace. I've paid more then double for TrueSpace and gives me more then double trouble then Poser. So for the 'little' amount they ask for Poser they did a good job on it. I haven't seen any better alternative for the same amount (or less) I've paid for Poser 6.

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Khai posted Thu, 19 July 2007 at 10:55 AM

ohh a rant thread.

you know what I hate?

***SPOILERS!!


why do newspapers, TV programs etc think it's their god given right to spoil books and movies?
example : in the UK the 'sun' keeps running articles on Doctor Who giving away plot details! thanks assholes.

today? newpapers publishing details about the last Harry Potter book! thanks. shall I bother reading it now?

oh aeilkema, whats 'broken' in trueSpace exactly? I've not found anything 'broken' in the many years I've been using it. some bugs yes. but nothing that does not work.


SamTherapy posted Thu, 19 July 2007 at 11:34 AM

Quote - ohh a rant thread.

you know what I hate?

SPOILERS!!
why do newspapers, TV programs etc think it's their god given right to spoil books and movies?
example : in the UK the 'sun' keeps running articles on Doctor Who giving away plot details! thanks assholes.

today? newpapers publishing details about the last Harry Potter book! thanks. shall I bother reading it now?

 

Yet another reason to avoid the tabloids.  I wouldn't wrap me chips in 'em.

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Khai posted Thu, 19 July 2007 at 11:39 AM

heh. it's not just the tabloids...


Conniekat8 posted Thu, 19 July 2007 at 11:51 AM

Quote - heh. it's not just the tabloids...

 

No kidding, on my way in to work I heard it on one of the major radio stations here. Personally I haven't read any of Harry Potters, but man, it really sux for the fans. They announced on the radio how the book ends. That really really blows!!!!!!

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SamTherapy posted Thu, 19 July 2007 at 11:52 AM

Quote - heh. it's not just the tabloids...

 

Ah. I rarely read newspapers these days.

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GladeChylde posted Thu, 19 July 2007 at 12:27 PM

I for the most part only use poser and Vue.  However, my biggest gripe for poser is pretty simple----

HOW HARD CAN IT BETO MAKE THE UNDO BUTTON WORK????

lol.  I screw up way too much for it not to. heh

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Tashar59 posted Thu, 19 July 2007 at 1:26 PM

*"*HOW HARD CAN IT BETO MAKE THE UNDO BUTTON WORK????"

Now there is one reason to upgrade to P7, muli undo's.

My gripe is that I changed over to a new bigger, faster, better vid card machine and my P6 won't let me check my export option boxes. Worked fine on my old compute. My P7 exports fine. The only thing I have not tried yet is to toast both versions off my new computer and install again in proper order. I did install P7 first, the first time round. it's the only thing I can think of.

The default PNG and directing to the texture folder in P7 may be the biggest hassel for me. What the @@@@ were they thinking/drinking/smoking when they did that one. ( insert roll eyes smilie when they get them fixed, here.)


vincebagna posted Thu, 19 July 2007 at 1:42 PM

Well, the thing i hate with Poser... this bloody screen that told you 'Out of memory' and close and open again...! grrrrrrrr!

stormchaser - I'm with you for Vue, but i have even not 1GB, only 512!! Great deal and great crashes too!! lol

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SamTherapy posted Thu, 19 July 2007 at 6:22 PM

I guess my biggest gripe about Poser is not having an unlimited budget so I can buy lots more shiny new stuff.

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stormchaser posted Thu, 19 July 2007 at 6:40 PM

Ah, no spoilers for me on anything. I don't watch tv or read the newspapers. There's enough depression in the world without having to watch or read about it!

Connie - Thanks. I've been too busy with Poser imports into Vue to really dabble properly with atmospheres & landscapes etc, I will get round to doing more. I've had Vue for a while now & I've only created one finished landscape work. I had Bryce 5, Vue 6 Esprit just trounces it! 

Vince - I don't know how you do it with only 512MB. How often do you have to purge your memory?



Conniekat8 posted Thu, 19 July 2007 at 6:44 PM

Speaking of poser imports, Stormchaser, are do you use what came with Vue, or are there any nifty plugins I should look into?

And for todays rant... GRRRRRRRRRRRRR... Autocad is getting the best of me today.

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stormchaser posted Thu, 19 July 2007 at 6:51 PM

Connie - I'm not aware of any plugins, I just import my Poser figures using the Poser shader tree option. Don't forget to uncheck the binary morph targets thingies in Poser otherwise your figure may lose their morphs. Some people have found out the hard way with this one. Just to note, importing with the shader tree will use more memory because it keeps it's link with Poser.



dvlenk6 posted Thu, 19 July 2007 at 9:45 PM

Buggy trashy rushed releases. That's my gripe.
Buy a new app. version and earn the privilege of helping to debug the release.

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Silke posted Fri, 20 July 2007 at 4:13 AM

Quote - > Quote -

@RAMWolff... Poser interface? There's someone that actually LIKES poser interface??? :blink:

Guilty as charged. I honestly love the Poser interface and absolutely prefer it to D|S's fugly lightwave'ish boring ... something.

I'm with you on the Interface. I hate D|S's interface which is why I don't bother using it and never will. Personal choice. But then, I've used Poser since it was Poser 1.0, so naturally I'm used to it.

I want the name of the figure in the delete dialog box.

Ohhh and another thing!

The shadow cams in Poser absolutely positively SUCK.

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mylemonblue posted Fri, 20 July 2007 at 6:04 AM

Hehehe. Did someone say they want a different interface? Hmmmmm....

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"po2" "po2" "po2" "po2" "po2"..... arggghhhh it doesn't work anymore in P7.

  Yeah I kind of knew it would't work but it was worth a try just for fun. Hehehe.

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LostinSpaceman posted Fri, 20 July 2007 at 9:55 AM

Quote - Buggy trashy rushed releases. That's my gripe.
Buy a new app. version and earn the privilege of helping to debug the release.

 

I Second, Third and Forth that one!!!! Want Beta Testers? PAY ME!

Non-Poser Rant - I had new windows installed in my office day before yesterday and they didn't seal all the windows properly. When I called to inform them of it they gave me attitude about it! So much for having them do the windows downtstairs as I'd planned for when I had the money.


svdl posted Fri, 20 July 2007 at 10:39 AM

Why o why does the hierarchy window have to open up fully expanded? Fully collapsed would make things so much easier to navigate.
And why o why do those folder icons in the library have to take up so much space? A folder is a folder, I can recognize a folder icon when it's the standard Windows/Mac sized icon. A folder hierarchy would also be much, much easier to navigate than the current library system.

And last but not least: the name of the currently selected figure in the document window - there's far too little space reserved. Giving figures meaningful names is essential in a multi character scene, and being able to read the full name in the document window would be highly appreciated...

Dockable tools/palettes would be a great idea - something that most other 3D and non-3D packages have had for years. Saves a lot of screen real estate.

As for cameras -  the Vue camera system works great. The trackball makes the current camera rotate around the currently selected object - very intuitive and easy to use. Panning the views by dragging with the right mouse button works perfectly.
The Vue interface suits my way of working and thinking very well - except for one thing: the library system. While the hierarchical structure of the Vue library is far more user friendly than the Poser system, it's got one major drawback - content installed in the library doesn't automatically show up. Especially subfolders don't show up all by themselves. This is where Poser does the better job.

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ockham posted Fri, 20 July 2007 at 9:19 PM

I want to retract my previous gritching and bitching about Amapi Pro.  After
some fiddling, I found the "secret key" to make it work more like Amapi Designer,
and now it's fun again.  Better visibility and a few extra features, but still
not $150 worth of better.

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Ghostofmacbeth posted Fri, 20 July 2007 at 10:16 PM

Quote - And why o why do those folder icons in the library have to take up so much space? A folder is a folder, I can recognize a folder icon when it's the standard Windows/Mac sized icon. A folder hierarchy would also be much, much easier to navigate than the current library system.

I think because they are based on the size of the icons and that isn't changing.

I would HATE a heirarchy system ...  HATE. That is one of the things I can't stand about DAZ Studio.



jjroland posted Fri, 20 July 2007 at 10:34 PM

Whine about myself:

Feeling like a dolt OFTEN for figuring out days after I've asked something how much of a doofis I was for asking.  Still glad I asked, but I think people must often think o.0 about some of the things.


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LostinSpaceman posted Fri, 20 July 2007 at 10:42 PM

Quote - Whine about myself:Feeling like a dolt OFTEN for figuring out days after I've asked something how much of a doofis I was for asking.  Still glad I asked, but I think people must often think o.0 about some of the things.

 

Nah! As my college professors were so fond of spouting, because it's true, "The Only Stupid Question is the one you don't ask!" We all learn by asking or by discovery. Asking is easier and, usually less painful! Imagine what the first person who ate that moldy bread to discover penicillan went through! :blink: I'm glad there are people to ask! 😉


SamTherapy posted Fri, 20 July 2007 at 10:44 PM

Quote - Whine about myself:

Feeling like a dolt OFTEN for figuring out days after I've asked something how much of a doofis I was for asking.  Still glad I asked, but I think people must often think o.0 about some of the things.

 

I do it all the time, so you're in good company.  Or bad. :)

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SamTherapy posted Fri, 20 July 2007 at 11:00 PM

Oh, and one of my DVD drives has started acting like Arkwright's till in "Open All Hours".

And me network's knackered.

Shoot me now.</Lenny Henry>

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Conniekat8 posted Fri, 20 July 2007 at 11:56 PM

Quote - Feeling like a dolt OFTEN for figuring out days after I've asked something how much of a doofis I was for asking.  Still glad I asked, but I think people must often think o.0 about some of the things.

 

You're being waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy too hard on yourself!
See, once you learn new tricks, then you get to carry the torch for a while and answer other people questions, so you see... there's always payback :tt2:

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patorak posted Sat, 21 July 2007 at 1:29 PM

My biggest gripe is not knowing how to apologize to a friend.  I'd appreciate any ideas on this,  because I really miss her friendship.



scanmead posted Sat, 21 July 2007 at 2:00 PM

Quote - My biggest gripe is not knowing how to apologize to a friend.  I'd appreciate any ideas on this,  because I really miss her friendship.

Send flowers with a note. Send candy with a note. Send diamonds with a note. ;) Seriously, a phone call (if she'll answer), and saying honestly what you feel, and how much you miss her company is the best way. She probably misses your company, too.


SamTherapy posted Sat, 21 July 2007 at 2:03 PM

Quote - My biggest gripe is not knowing how to apologize to a friend.  I'd appreciate any ideas on this,  because I really miss her friendship.

 

Seriously, if you are genuinely sincere and you say something along the lines of "Sorry, I fucked up" your friend will accept it.  Provided, of course, that it's not a pattern of behaviour that she's gotten tired of.  It also follows that you both have to be certain it's not going to happen again.

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Conniekat8 posted Sat, 21 July 2007 at 2:40 PM

Quote - My biggest gripe is not knowing how to apologize to a friend.  I'd appreciate any ideas on this,  because I really miss her friendship.

 

Take a deep breath, pick up a phone and say, sorry, I was being a .... 'dickheard, or insert whatever you wish in here'.  After that it only gest easier.
The longer you wait, the harder it gets, so just hurry up and do it! It's lot easier then you imagine it to be.

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patorak posted Sat, 21 July 2007 at 7:35 PM

Thanks everyone for the advice.

Hello ****

I'm so sorry,  I was being an asshole when I said that.  I hope you'll find it in your heart to forgive me,  because your friendship means more to me than my stupid ego.



Conniekat8 posted Sat, 21 July 2007 at 8:21 PM

Quote - Thanks everyone for the advice.

Hello ****

I'm so sorry,  I was being an asshole when I said that.  I hope you'll find it in your heart to forgive me,  because your friendship means more to me than my stupid ego.

 

That is very nice :)  send it!!!!!   We're rooting for you here!

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Conniekat8 posted Sat, 21 July 2007 at 8:22 PM

Oh, another gripe...
I'm totally worn out.... 
but I finally finished the Apollo Blacksmith Apron freebies... Conforming and dynamic version... submitted to rendo today. I suppose it will be up in few days.

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RAMWorks posted Sat, 21 July 2007 at 8:36 PM

Dear Connie!!!

*WOOF WOOF *

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patorak posted Sat, 21 July 2007 at 9:25 PM

Thanks everyone for helping me with this.  I've sent the message.  I hope she gets it and that she forgives me.



scanmead posted Sun, 22 July 2007 at 3:58 AM

Fingers crossed here...


3Dsmacker posted Sun, 22 July 2007 at 5:51 AM

The Gripe and Whine Society becomes the Lonely Hearts Club Band.


scanmead posted Sun, 22 July 2007 at 6:27 AM

Ok. I have a non-Poser related gripe. Not a major one, but irritating. I don't speak text-messaging. When someone posts a technical question in that stuff.. not even Babelfish can help me. You know: hw r u? wat u do fr ths fx? thx. It lacks clarity, somehow..


RAMWorks posted Sun, 22 July 2007 at 10:20 AM

LOL it's like ebonics for the geek set.  I agree!! Lacks clarity and is just plain lazy typing!!

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Conniekat8 posted Mon, 23 July 2007 at 3:28 PM

... Monday whine....
I just feel downright whiny today.... :(

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RAMWorks posted Mon, 23 July 2007 at 3:30 PM

I'm happy today!!  This is my 1000 post here at the Rosity forums!!!

Hope a little happiness doesn't depress anyone!!  LOL

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jjroland posted Mon, 23 July 2007 at 3:35 PM

Congrats Ram.

 

My gripe for the week:

I'm potty training my youngest son and I'm tired of cleaning pee off the wall.  His aim is somewhat lacking still - although the fruit loop targets help. 


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SamTherapy posted Mon, 23 July 2007 at 3:36 PM

I feel really sad now.  You joined 14 days before I did.

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Conniekat8 posted Mon, 23 July 2007 at 3:36 PM

oooh, how cool! Congratulations :)   Happy 1000

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scanmead posted Mon, 23 July 2007 at 3:37 PM

woo hoo! 1000 posts! No cake, but I got you ice cream...

RAMWorks posted Mon, 23 July 2007 at 3:44 PM

Aww Sam, dont' be depressed deary!!  I joined the DAZ forums about the same time as I did the here... well maybe a little bit longer there... let me check on that...............................

OK, something ain't right.  I joined DAZ 11 Aug 2004 and I have a total of 8512 posts and counting!!! LOL   So the info they have on me here is incorrect!    I know for a fact back in 2002 I was NOT involved with 3D.  I was very much involved with vector art work AaMoF!! 😉

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RAMWorks posted Mon, 23 July 2007 at 3:46 PM

Oh YUMMY!! I LOVE ice cream!!

THANK YOU!! 

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Tashar59 posted Mon, 23 July 2007 at 4:55 PM

My whine will be for a good week. I broke my little toe in a couple of places, yesterday. I can't believe how such a small part can cause so much hassel. Can't put shoes on, have a hard time walking and can't sleep because every time I move it wakes me up.

The good side of it, gave me a reason to read the whole new Potter book last night. LOL.


Conniekat8 posted Mon, 23 July 2007 at 4:58 PM

Ouch!
((((((((((((((((((((Beryld)))))))))))))))   I'm sorry to hear that!

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RAMWorks posted Mon, 23 July 2007 at 5:01 PM

Yea, owwie wowwie!!

Heal up quick!!

So was the HP book as good as it's been touted??  Good ending (without spoilers please) ?

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scanmead posted Mon, 23 July 2007 at 5:08 PM

Funny how much those little things on the end of our feet can hurt so much, and how much we take them for granted, isn't it? And people just don't have the proper amount of sympathy for you when they break, either. Tape, cotton and sock to help sleep... good wishes it heals quickly!


Tashar59 posted Mon, 23 July 2007 at 5:34 PM

LOL, not my first broken bone, nor my last, most like. I was quite active in contact sports, not now, though this one was just catching something that was sticking out when I was playing with the cat. Not much can be done with it. I just felt the need to gripe about something, I really don't have a lot to complain about.

I'm not saying anything about the book, your going to have to read it. One of my pet peeves are people that like to tell everything that is going to happen before you get to watch or read it yourself. They all go to that special hell along with child molesters and people that talk in the theater. LOL


SamTherapy posted Mon, 23 July 2007 at 5:52 PM

Ouch.  I sympathise with you.  I broke 4 at one go.

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stormchaser posted Mon, 23 July 2007 at 7:11 PM

"His aim is somewhat lacking still."

jjroland - I'm a grown man & I still have trouble. Mind you, this usually is after many pints!



Conniekat8 posted Wed, 25 July 2007 at 1:32 PM

Grrrrrr..... Wednsday rant:  Friggin Civil 3D keeps crashing on me left and right. Love them new versions - NOT!
[OK, I feel better now, fo about a second]

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Khai-J-Bach posted Wed, 25 July 2007 at 1:48 PM

Quote - Yea, owwie wowwie!!

Heal up quick!!

So was the HP book as good as it's been touted??  Good ending (without spoilers please) ?

Yes.



marcus55 posted Thu, 26 July 2007 at 2:26 PM

Hi,

Reading some of the "gripe" posts here has been fun, if not a bit informative and at least 
now I don't feel like I am the only one using poser who has banged head against monitor
screen time and time again!

I have found myself spouting any number of colorful phrases (I won't mention them here 
because I like this community website and don't want to get kicked off.. lol), and some
of the people I room with have deemed me utterly psychotic, which may or may not
be true (sometimes I seriously think it is...), so I was understandably relieved to see that
there was a board where people could vent a bit, or more than a bit in some cases...

At any rate, for my two cents worth, or perhaps 1 and 1/2, this program is extremely difficult to work with, or work against (depending on how you look at it...) after laying down well over 200 of my hard earned dough to purchase version 7 (heck, I thought you know, it's version 7 for criminy sakes, they must have worked the bugs out of it by now!  ??? only to find that if I keep using this program I am at a high risk of developing a brain hemorrhage, among other things, and at times trying to accomplish the simplest things is like asking "uncle sam" to give a poor smuck like me a tax break!  (I am also a 3Ds Max user and love the program)

After countless hours of teeth grinding frustration (I am going to have to go to the dentist now, since most of my molars are tiny blunted stubs that are useless for consuming food) trying to use the library tab, I have learned to use the little black arrow at the upper right side and jump around that way, for me at least it is much quicker and easier than an endless bouncing around inside the folder structure, only to end up most of the time in a place I don't want to be, and/or just giving up altogether and have to start over....
again and again!!!  lol

Another endless trial of frustration is posing figures. I have to agree with all the posts I have read here. My question is: could they have made it more difficult to pose a figure?  I doubt it, 
seriously, and please don't feel too bad previous poster, my scenes never end up the way I envisioned them either, sometimes that can be a good thing though (sometimes finding a new way of "seeing" something can produce suprisingly pleasing results...)

Am I a glutton for self-abuse?  I think so, because, even after struggling for many hours to
get a scene right, having to make changes numerous times until the program performs the
functions in the way I want it to, I always go back to this program time and time again to make 
yet another attempt to create a scene that has haunted my imagination and just won't leave me
alone. I think this program could be made better (heck, I know it could!), but since it is the only 
one we have presently, I will continue to use it (barring any fatal brain hemorrhages that is...) and who knows, we may get lucky in the future and they might actually work some of the bugs out and it will genuinely be a pleasure to work with!

Some of the artwork I've seen here on this site is incredible, and I am
always curious and very impressed with how these artists have done such 
an amazing job working with such a jaggernaut of a program...
Truth be told: I have only been working wih poser for a few weeks now 
(patience my son, said the wise man, good things come in their own time...   lol)

In conclusion, I would like to say:  ARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!     (lol)

live long and render,

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jjroland posted Thu, 26 July 2007 at 2:52 PM

Marcus I think you should start blogging your poser trials, that was a long post and normally I don't like that, but it was interesting and made me laugh a few times.

I actually thought about doing that myself, but I have yet to get past the "colorful phrases" stage, and into "proper articulation".


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kalon posted Thu, 26 July 2007 at 3:01 PM

Quote - Am I a glutton for self-abuse?  I think so, because, even after struggling for many hours to get a scene right, having to make changes numerous times until the program performs the
functions in the way I want it to, I always go back to this program time and time again to make 
yet another attempt to create a scene that has haunted my imagination and just won't leave me
alone. I think this program could be made better (heck, I know it could!), but since it is the only 
one we have presently, I will continue to use it (barring any fatal brain hemorrhages that is...) and who knows, we may get lucky in the future and they might actually work some of the bugs out and it will genuinely be a pleasure to work with!

 

Welcome to the Poserverse...

Yes, they do fix most of the bugs... And then they make new ones!

Seriously, though. One of the things I find unique about Poser and that has helped it develop such a following is that its development has been so heavily influenced and molded by its user base. I think that more than anything else is responsible for loyalty shown to this particular software.

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marcus55 posted Thu, 26 July 2007 at 3:02 PM

Thanks for your post.

That's true, I should have shortened it a bit.

Am I long-winded??   Oh no, not at all!!!   lol

(maybe I need to get out more..?  lol)

(I'm spending too much time at the computer.... lol)

M


jjroland posted Thu, 26 July 2007 at 3:29 PM

""That's true, I should have shortened it a bit.""

Nope I liked it just the way it was ; )


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stormchaser posted Thu, 26 July 2007 at 3:47 PM

marcus55 - Poser is a Beauty & a Beast. I love what I can do with this program. I  can spend far too long in it trying to get the pose right etc, I know how you feel on that one. There are still problems with the program but if you can work through them then I think it's worth the effort.
Will you be rendering in Poser or exporting to 3Ds Max?

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dasquid posted Thu, 26 July 2007 at 6:45 PM

    When rendering a scene in poser 4 renderer you get that  error message telling you to change all these settings in the firefly renderer palet that are not even used in the P4 renderer  like the bucket size, P4 doesn't use a bucket!!!