Well apparently this was released today unless my info is wrong!!

So question is, has any Vue6Inf or Extreme owners had any contact from e-on yet as to when we can get it, as it's apparently free to us peeps!

I've had no e-mails or anything apart from the newsletter that said it was coming out but nothing else and there's nothing in my account to download either!

Just curious, and knowing me I may have missed something as I'm busy preparing for my new pc anyway so an update is prolly the wrong time at the mo' [LOL].

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Well they say its free for us but people who drink beer only from bottles and have avatars with helmed men in them have to pay $50 for it.....

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But i have seen nothing on the E-on site buddy ...

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How about looking into the software update page at e-on?

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yeah i just did that and the update was online ...

So i think you V6 inf owners can get it no problemo ..
For me there is no new update ... so its V6 inf and X only 6.5

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Oooo Why are these things always released when I'm at work and I can't play with 'em !!!! 's not fair I tell you :(

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*How about looking into the software update page at e-on?
*Ha! wasn't there when I looked just before posting this!! [LOL].

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Quote - *How about looking into the software update page at e-on?
*Ha! wasn't there when I looked just before posting this!! [LOL].

That's what they all say! :D

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Unfortunately I won't get to play with this for a couple of hours.  Till then I'm stuck watching the real clouds through the office window.   You know you've spent too much time doing CG when you look out across the real world and think there is spotty noise in the rendering around the edges of the shadows on the clouds and the leaves on the trees are flickering too

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True!!

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Maybe they will do what they did before and filter down the fixes from Inf to Pro and below later.  Of course we are already getting last years Inf software, so then again, maybe not!

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The more I look at what e-on are doing, the more I suspect that they want to move hobbyists away from Infinite and Xtreme and push them towards the lower end products, just a feeling!!

keenart:  Should get the new pc this coming weekend!  I've changed to Raid 1 set up so I don't lose files hopefully and I've gone for the bigger 22" WS monitor!
Appreciate your assistance with this!

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22 inch monitor!, now I am jealous!

 

If you did get Ultimate, in addition to Raid, you can always use the Ultimate Backup Program to clone the Harddrive or Partition to another location, just incase you need to restore folders, files, or the whole Partition. In past I have even cloned to USB External Harddrives as an additional backup.  Because, the file you loose is always the one the a client will call later and ask for a redo or update! 

 

You also get the Virtual PC that can run other OS’s within the Vista Desktop.  So as long as Vue behaves you are on “Cloud 9.”

 

I think since I am a 2D painter on Canvas, the 3D is getting too expensive for me, and as you say, I will probably have to stay in the lower bracket financially.  I rarely upgrade each year, rather once every 2 or 3 years anyway, but do not make my income from 3D, so that is not where the money is spent.  Still if they would keep the price down I would buy it just for the fun of playing with the software.

 

Times have changed, competition is tough, and software companies are in a tight corner.

 

Hope you enjoy the “monster machine.”  

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I did go for Ultimate in the end, I've gone for the Raid1 so the 2 x 320 Gig Hd's will be mirrored, I know it cuts my storage in half but I've got a 250 Gig HD at the mo' and I've only used 50 Gig of that so far, so a 320 should last me a while [I hope].
I'll also do like I've always done, which is back up to XHD and DVD too!

You can never have enough backups in my book [LOL].

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thefixer can you setup your new computer with widescreen beside the one you got now.  It makes it nice to have one for the Internet and one for graphics.  What comes in handy is open a tutorial in the one and use the other at same time.  Can also use the rendercows to make you a little rendering syseten to make use of both computers.  A pic of my new computer on the left  and old one for use on Internet on the right. :)

I hope you can tell me how to use the new features in the update when you get it installed. :)

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No, I don't have the room for that Iloco [LOL].
Update is installed but haven't played yet!!  Been busy backing up ready for transfers to new machine!!

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Fun isn't it to upgrade......:)

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Umm NO!!!!!   

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lol......You should have built your own computer and then you would of had a lot of fun........:)

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Hmm! I'm ok with the usual upgrades like  a new graphic card, HD or memory chips but building one from scratch would be too scary!!  

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Not as scary as some make it seem.  If I can do it anyone should be able to.    Google is your best friend if run into problems. .... Then there is alway keenart who can get you out of a bind. :)

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*Then there is alway keenart who can get you out of a bind. :)
*Yes, his help has already been of extreme value to me!!

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Just downloaded it, tried  to install it. Ah original folder corrupted please install original application

Downlaoded and installed, running a quicky test with multiple cloud layers over an infinite water plane with GR lighting and godrays enabled. Looks like it intends to take about 12 minutes, which is a marked improvement over the previous speed.....

DAle B how do you use the new features and how you suppose to make lighting.  Also how to with cloud layers.   Didnt we alreadhy have that.
  I am confused with whats suppose to be new. :)

Yes I can see a big improvement with rendering.  Especialy spectral atmospheres. :)

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GI renders are much faster now - I haven't figured the rest of it out yet :)

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With my memory manager I can keep Esprit from crashing during Rendering.  But when I move a light of any kind, i. e. point light, no volumetrics or anything, once or twice, I get a system crash.   Turning off everything does not help.  So, I think they need to work on our end soon.  Everytime Vue crashes I have to cleanup a 600 meg crash file.

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Anyone know where the final release is located on E-on site, can't find it

v6.5i seems to fix memory issues for me finally!
It's pretty close to the best pre-release build, at least for me.
I can live with this quite happily now, really.
Although I haven't tried everything yet,  but over all, it's a great improvement, I think.

I just can't afford to upgrade my computer right now, so I'm a happy man.

Back from Siggraph - the previews and demos are awesome!  My feet hurt right up to my neck!  Lots and lots of things to see.  Today I just walked around.  Tomorrow and Thursday will be spent mostly between e-on and Zbrush and sitting while they demo the software.  Had just a peak at the new spectral cloud lights - WOW! 

Thanks e-on!  It's been really fun to put a face on the people we talk to on the forums!

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Quote - DAle B how do you use the new features and how you suppose to make lighting.  Also how to with cloud layers.   Didnt we alreadhy have that.
  I am confused with whats suppose to be new. :)

Yes I can see a big improvement with rendering.  Especialy spectral atmospheres. :)

Just go to the drop down menu bar and select atmosphere; on the list you see add cloud layer, which brings up the editor pane and the libary of cloud types for the atmosphere you choose. Then just start adding and adjusting to suit.

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Spectral cloud model in VI6.5 render very fast now. I remember my disappointment from early Vue6 tests. Now test make more fun :biggrin:

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Dale B we had that before this last update.  That isnt new if I am not loosing my mind.  e-on is saying its new.   I don't understand.

Peggy did you see enought to give us some ideas where these new features are located and maybe tell us a couple things on how to use.
  Would been nice had we got something for our help files for the new features or maybe a pdf in the download area explaining where and how to use the new atmosphere features. :)

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LOL, I'm as confused as you Iloco, I have the update installed and can't find anyhtin new [LOL], we've always had the ability to add cloud layers, that's not new!
I have put a point light into the clouds but it didn't look much [LOL].

Really would be useful if there was some info or tute or whatever to guide us bats!!

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Yeah, I had a good fiddle around with it last night and I couldn't find anything new in the functions or anywhere else (unless I'm just missing it)
c'mon E-On, give us a clue !!   :huh:

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I haven't tried yet but u should be able to SIMULTANEOUSLY change layers in nultiple materials without affecting the rest of the material. loveesther

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What probably not many have realised is that in older V6I versions intersecting cloud layers in spectral atmospheres were separated from the program when the scene is rendered. This has changed, they CAN intersect now.

The other new one is, that when you change the sun color, the clouds do react to the light color. A blue sun makes blue clouds now. A green one green.

One day your ship comes in - but you're at the airport.

Thnaks, Wabe. And as dsr points out, lights can now affect clouds. This means you could create a real low cloud layer and have headlights reflect off the clouds as in fog. Also, you can now have lightning effects as well.

See e-on's own Press Release for more.

 

Cool; you can mix positive and negative lights to create dramatic effects.

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Waht do you mean by positive and negative lights. :)

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Here an example: left point light with 100% power; right point light with -100% power. You can generate dark areas (Black holes :scared: )  

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Gotcha.   Thanks. 

Been on to much medacation lately from having some heart work done and bad case the gout in one foot.  Not thinking as I should. :)

 This last update reminds me of how the last one with Vue 5 did.  Its now running as it should.  More pleasure in using it.
 I am sure still some more issues but maybe now they can be found fast and keep improving the software where it needs be. :)

I can tell its rendering much faster. :)

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Will be going back to Siggraph today.  I will sit through a lot more of the 6.5 demos.  But as dsr207 and Mazak pointed out, click that really tiny icon on the light control to have it effect the cloud.  Works great!

As far as what e-on was saying about thunder storms - using a combination of dark colors and negative lights, you can get some really stormy looking clouds.  

When I get a chance, I want to try this out for fire and smoke...

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See if you can get us an answer about making lightning as it says can be done.
   I ahve the other things worked out.    Have fun.

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Ha! beat me to it Iloco, I've been trying to get lightning since I got home from work.

I think my only chance of making some is to upset the Wife when she gets in!!!

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I'll be leaving in about 10 minutes for Siggraph!  Will post tonight on my findings.

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lol.......Might be good idea to leave the wife out of it.  Maybe peggy will come back with some details how its done. :)

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I would simply put an lightning object into the clouds, convert it to an area light maybe (or use another light parallel to the lightning object) , switch on cloud interaction in the light attributes as shown above and see what happens.

Look at the image criss just has uploaded that uses the colored/light cloud effect already.

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The lightning part has been taken out of the description in the download area and also the whats new in vue 6.5.
 Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.   ?

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Quote - The lightning part has been taken out of the description in the download area and also the whats new in vue 6.5.
 Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.   ?

Hey, what do you expect...if E-on don't know what they're doing, how the hell are we suppose to.
Kudos for the free update though...even  if features keep changing by the hour.
One thing that never changes is that every update (point or full) always comes across as rushed :0(

 

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Since the  pages were edited and lightning took out that will put that to rest about how you do it. :)
 
Can move on and play with new update now instead of looking for something that wasnt there.

 the fixer still might get some lightning when his wife gets home so all is ok now. ........lol

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Well she's home Iloco ans she says she's in the "mood for lurve!"   So no lightning here either!!

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You can see on their Press Release they talk about creating 'true to life thunderstorms.'

With 6.5 it's now really very simple. As Wabe smartly said, you can now include lights inside clouds, and animate them on and off and they will create the illusion of lightning in the clouds. If you want a lightning bolt, just create one in Photoshop and apply it to an alpha plane with a jacked up luminosity and glow and animate it on and off at the same time you animate the light on and off.

That's what they meant by 'true to life thunderstorms.'

Before 6.5, a light object inside a cloud would not affect the cloud at all. Now it does, hence the ability to have a thunderstorm with lightning.

 

Not disputing anyones word but it did say lightning and now that is gone.   thefixer I believe can say the same as we both were trying to find how to do lightning.
 I take lightning as bolts from the sky.
 I do know you can do clouds and atmos to look like thunderstorms.

Since that part has been edited out there is no use at all to continue on the subject of where is it and how is it done.  Time to move on since its not there as was originaly stated but is not there now. :)

Only part I regret is I dint save the page that was edited.  No big deal so lets move on. :)

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The original quote from e-on was 

*We'll be introducing Vue Infinite and xStream Release 6.5, with amazing new atmospheric effects. *
The link from Mark quoted

 

The new releases allow users to create skies with as many overlapping spectral cloud layers desired for complex cloudscapes. There is also a new cloud lighting technology that lets local lights affect spectral atmospheres and clouds. New functions allow creation of true-to-life thunder storms, search lights or illuminated fly through clouds. You can also render spectral atmosphere animations significantly faster thanks to the optimized spectral atmosphere anti-flickering technology.

Nowhere did it say lightENing as in lightening bolts - it's lights in the clouds that effect the clouds...  Works really nice too.  If you want lightening bolts, use the dead tree, flip upside down, give it a material with lots of glow.  Alpha planes work too.    There are also some nice lightening bolts for sale on Cornucopia.  And yes, I talked to the e-on people, who were understandably miffed/irked/hurt that something they did not advertise was immediatly being said was a promise broken. 

The new cloud layers are also going to help.  Yes, we could always add layers, but they didn't really "meld" with each other.  Now they do.  

Anyway, we got a cool update for free, and it renders clouds faster.  

Thanks e-on!

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I like the update!

I like the software!

Thank you Chipp and Peggy and the rest that have helped make sense of all this..

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Nowhere did it say lightENing as in lightening bolts - it's lights in the clouds that effect the clouds...  Works really nice too.  If you want lightening bolts, use the dead tree, flip upside down, give it a material with lots of glow.  Alpha planes work too.    There are also some nice lightening bolts for sale on Cornucopia.  

 

Interesting idea on the dead tree for lightning  - could be especially interesting idea if one day we could modify branching points and numbers of branches in the plant editor - hadn't thought of that one before. Thanks.

(and I think it's lightNing bolts, unless the EN bit is the US spelling version, which makes me think that if there was an extra n in there at the early stages then it might have just been a typo rather than any intentional thing)

Now off to play with Vue's version of negative lights and those clouds :)

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Another 6.5 render using the "affect spectral clouds" local light feature.

Uses 3 local lights and a single spectral cloud layer in a completely black atmosphere.

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Great picture Richard!

I've posted a vue 6.5 render to my blog.  At first this didn't seem like a big change but I'm finding it's opening up a lot of possibilities.  The render is a point light inside a cloud layer with a gell but without any lens flare or volumetrics set.

One thing worth taking into account is that if your trying to light a cloud layer in the distance you may need to use far more powerfull lights than you've used before to see the effect. In a test render last night I found I needed a spot light to have a power of 20000 to get the effect I wanted.

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Nice image - the lighting has a ghostly quality.

Yes this new feature it does open up many possibilities, and it might just be what I've been looking for to provide lighting for one of my long-standing ideas.

However, it doesn't work properly with Area lights yet - the clouds don't pick up the colour of the area light.

Yes, the light power does need to be cranked up quite a bit beyond usual levels to shine through the spectral particles.

I just did a few experiments and I can't make my mind up if the problem with area lights is that the colour isn't there of if it is but it gets obliterated into white when you crank the power up to a point where it lights up the cloud.  I don't know if you've sent this one in to e-on so I'll post a report to them.

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OK cheers - I posted it at e-on but not as a bug report.

I'm not sure it is the high power issue - point lights colour the clouds well at high power.

P.S. Do you have a URL for posting bugs to e-on? I could only find "Contact a Technician".

Thanks
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"Contact a Technician" is the way I've posted bugs to e-on.

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My Ecosystems are now broken, they just populate over foreign object

One thing I noticed is that the eco-system would not populate unless the Aspect tab was active.  If I had the Numerics tab open, then the eco would not populate.  Don't know if it was doing that before...

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Someone on my froum had a problem of entering numerical values if the numerical tab was off.
    This might be a related issue.    Hope you reported this to tech since it seems there is a small problem. :)
 Try changing number values in anything with the numerical on and off and see it there is a difference.  I can get it to only work corrctly when its on. :)

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