I think it would be mostly agreed that the computer, by and large, is the greatest invention in the history of mankind since fire. But unfortunately, this great and fabulous tool is in the hands, 90% of the time, of semi- educated chimps. To prove this, all you have to do is go to the grocery store checkout, and see how your tally can go awry by 3-4 dollars, with a sophisticated scanner handled by a high school drop-out. Discrepencies in bills, petty thievery, and major problems like identity misappropriation, are all common downsides to the PC, whether innocent mistakes or intentional. My point being, the PC is foolproof, if it wasn't for fools. Well, keywords, which supposedly send people flying to your page, suffer the same fate. You can rack your brains for hours coming up with the most colorful descriptive buzz, only to have it negated by the fact that the populace at large, can't spell worth a damn. I've looked at keywords on other sites, usually of the most popular pieces, to see what they use. Guess what? They don't use anything. No keywords. I'm talking thousands of hits per piece, not 10 or 20. I've been doing tests with different pieces over the past month. I chose pieces that have nothing to do with the keywords I used. I used just one keyword per piece. These are the keywords I used: Harry Potter, nude, naked, Spiderman, sex, anime, and violence. Harry Potter, naked and sex brought me stunning results. Apparently nude and violence were too hard for people to conjure up. Anime really bellyflopped, and on sites rampant with enthusiasts of that "Art" form. Apparently, that stuff rots your brain to the point that you can't even spell the word. My conclusions from this test are that keywords are a complete waste of time, and will get you very little more than you'd get without them. The best way to get people to your site, is to get out there and mix it up with your site community. Be more pro-active. And leave the keywords in the dictionary, where they belong.

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"..unfortunately, this great and fabulous tool is in the hands, 90% of the time, of semi- educated chimps"

Nah -- you're just spending too much time at Renderosity :biggrin:

Quote - But unfortunately, this great and fabulous tool is in the hands, 90% of the time, of semi- educated chimps. To prove this, all you have to do is go to the grocery store checkout, and see how your tally can go awry by 3-4 dollars, with a sophisticated scanner handled by a high school drop-out.

I tried reading your whole rant, but didn't get past this part. See, it's insulting, big time. Most of us (you know, the ones you see as high school dropouts, chimps, etc.) have college degrees, are highly intelligent, and could amaze you if you try. It just seems that you don't know the hierarchy of how those "scanners" actually work.
Each item (each particular item, for example a 2 liter of Coke or a box of Kraft Macaroni and Cheese) has its' own barcode, and each are input into the system. If someone along the line has either doubled back and input old information or even neglected to input the new (as in for sales items), it won't show up properly at the register. And, if a printed barcode is either printed incorrectly or unclear, it won't scan.
Mistakes are made constantly. I doubt you're perfect. But, I can't see you really getting your point across if you're going to start out by insulting people.

And, that's my 2cents. Carry on.

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All you did, is inform me that a string of idiots screwed up with the technology, before the product got to the register. Even worse, kind of like a bad polish joke about lightbulbs! And college degrees don't impress me, sister. I know a lot of grads who don't know the fuzzy side of a paint brush. Just look at all the screw ups in the medical profession. You can't buy smart. It has to be earned.

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Never mind. I can see that all you're doing is trying to rouse people to some sort of....I don't even know. I just figured I'd give you a bit of helpful advice that you're a tad insulting, and getting your point across without the insults would have probably been better.

Also, I know you can't buy smart. I used it as an example. Some of us like our jobs, some of us can't find jobs in our field without travelling across the country and moving our children. It's not about "oh, this is all I can find". Not everyone is obsessed with money.

As for this, I'm outta this thread.

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If you'd have bothered to read my "rant" thoroughly, as you admitted you didn't, you would have discovered that the only thing I'm trying to rouse members to do, is be more proactive in their art sites, and not rely on crutches, such as keywords and blogs, to attract people to their pages. Crutches that really don't seem to work. I don't even know why you got defensive about college degrees and bar codes. That may end up becoming a topic for another thread "Why do people read what they want into everything I say, rather than read what I say?" I'll have to trim that down a bit. lol

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soooo.. I'm the only one who uses Google as a spellchecker? ;) Some of my best finds have been from misspelling something. Hey, I nearly bit on the checkout bait: I'm an auditor in the grocery business. As on the web, computers and centralization have made it possible for one misplaced keystroke to cause errors in thousands of locations. (some are pretty funny) And there is nothing as treasured as a good cashier. Perhaps using examples that don't rely on sweeping insults of entire groups of people (some of whom may be reading it), would keep the focus on what you mean to say? I'll keep using Metty to tag some of my better stuff, just the same.

What is Renderosity, chapter 649 of the local grocery clerks union? The only sweeping insult I made, is toward people who have a major piece of technology to simplify their life, and can't seem to use it properly. Learn to freakin' spell!

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Evidently your test demonstrated people can spell Harry Potter. Or did it show that a lot of people are looking for Harry Potter content? By the same token, were they spelling anime incorrectly, or were not very many people searching for it? Was the key word used to reference an image, a site, or a tutorial? Search engines are used extensively for finding tutorials, but not so much to find renders. Sites are usually found by word-of-mouth, and grow through first impressions and level of activity. I'd hate to guess what Google has spent researching this. I'll bet there's a lot of information out there on how to build site traffic, though. ;)

Cease all discussion; this is a classic, 24 carat, troll (could even be Chickenhawk back from the dead):biggrin:

Quote - Cease all discussion; this is a classic, 24 carat, troll (could even be Chickenhawk back from the dead):biggrin:

It always fascinates me on these forums, that when you voice your opinion, and it doesn't happen to agree with everyone else's opinion, certain elements who have no real opinion come out of the woodwork to call you names that more aptly apply to themselves. If I was a troll, I'd be in this forum a lot more than I have. As a matter of fact, after this "gang up on anyone who isn't a head-nodder" response, it probably will be a long time before I post in here again, if ever. It's obvious that this forum is "owned" and freedom of speech = freedom to agree with you. I guess you post a smiley with your slander to cover up your hypocrisy. Whatever!

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You can't win here Delveauxmaycare
Far to hyper sensitive around here.

I understood what you ment :)
Key words are the lazy mans search criteria. Thats why most tech support at hosting companies allways say "just make more key words".
I don't use them here either!

Tech heads and the gov. havn't realized yet that the SMARTIST person in the world is probably some low level clerk in a gas station some where. The one who makes a virus or trojan that breaks EVERY security system on earth.

Useless trivia-
By international convention sence the early 1900's all IQ test have set the average score at 100.
By logical extension---------- Half the people you will ever meet have an IQ below 100. And they can VOTE

ROFL.

On the Contrary, what your little rambling rant has proven is that people are more savvy than you give them credit for.

So the top three hits were Harry Potter, Sex, and Naked. Does the use of these words mean that the posters are being lazy? Or that they know what words and trends are popular? These questions can only be answered by the individual poster.

HOWEVER, it is a well known fact that Harry Potter is extremely popular (Proof - Look at JK Rowlings Bank Account - $1 billion). It is also a well known fact around here, that is it is a naked women or has anything to do with sex, and you are going to get hits. Right or Wrong, those are the facts.

My best piece was a NVIATWAS. It was a nude drow female, holding a sword in what looked to be a temple. Her hair was long enough to cover nipples and the stance was not conducive to crouch shots. Still it was a favorite... (And no, I pulled down my gallery here after the Image resize "Upgrade")

I would look to what the average viewer is, before coming up with a highly unscientific viewpoint that is easily able to be picked apart and refuted by looking at why those words get those hits.

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On a side note, rather ironic that you are attacking the spelling of others, yet need a refresher in the use of Paragraph breaks. Please be mindful of the fact, that if you are going to throw that stone, there will be someone else that's gonna lob it back at you.

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Quote - "..unfortunately, this great and fabulous tool is in the hands, 90% of the time, of semi- educated chimps"

Nah -- you're just spending too much time at Renderosity :biggrin:

Hey! I resemble that remark!

I don't bother with keywords mostly. As far as I can tell, they don't do anything. How do search engines rank sites? By links. How many pages do you link to on your site, and more importantly, how many other sites have links to yours. Search engines just use spiders, which are effective but stupid. They collect the various links and the more there are the more popular they think your site is.

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Hi Delveauxmaycare

Two Words: "Use Paragraphs"

What you have to say may very well have merit...but as soon as I see one big rambling paragraph...I stop reading after the first few sentences.

If one does not have to courtesy to break up their thoughts into digestible paragraphs...I have no interest in reading their post...no matter what merit or content may be contained within.

That is to say...I don't agree,nor disagree with your original post...but rather i stopped reading after the first few sentences,,,because the content was not broken up into legible paragraphs...making it easier to read, and separate your thoughts...rather than one endless bit of text.

Typically taught in grade school.

I'd be delighted to know what your post was addressing...so I could give a comprehensive reply...but as it is written...I'll not even waste my time trying to decipher what one long...unbroken paragraph..is trying to say.

Again...this is not to say I disagree with your post...but rather I've not committed the time to even read it, because of the way it was presented.

Tom

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I would have loved to read your rant, Delveauxmaycare**,** but it's all garbled up into one paragraph. Please separate for a better read.

*I think it would be mostly agreed that the computer, by and large, is the greatest invention in the history of mankind since fire.

i'm definitely in the minority... since fire [though i'm pretty sure humans didn't "invent" it], i'd have to say the greatest and most beneficial invention for mankind in the history of mankind was sanitation, by and large...

well, that and salmiakki...

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