Child nudity is banned, right?

Yes, but apparently bondage wear for a "young teenage" girl (Laura) is fine (see Sekhet's freestuff).

Yes, its fine for adults to play adult games, but associating children with sexual play of this kind is just plain sick.

I work in the law, and regularly have to deal with sex offenders. There are people who will use any suggestion that children are sexual beings to justify their own feelings and - eventually - actions.

I am horrified that 'rosity consider this freebie acceptable. (even Sekhet apparently has his doubts about it). I know someone has already brought it to their attention, and they have deemed it acceptable (!) Of course, it would not have been allowed at 'Rotica! (blanket no children rule).

I for one will not be buying anything from Rendo for the foreseeable future.

"Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry!"

I can grok your repulsion to it (no, really... a bondage harness on something that looks like a kid is downright creepy).

OTOH, a lot of folks do with the Laura mesh what they (and I) used to do with the old Milgirl PT mesh... stretch it out into a petite adult form via morphs, since the results work/bend better than simply shrinking an "adult" mesh down.

Though a bondage harness is a bit, err, out there for my tastes... taking a look at it, I don't see how it would be much of a technical problem for an adult-morphed Laura to have one.

(...come to think of it? with a bit of modification, one could make it a parachute harness, a 'weapons' or extreme backpacking harness, stuff like that).

/P

Im more offended by your Thread "header" than with your POINT in the statement..

Im here at Renderosity and i use poser so IM a pervert

For someone who work in the Law you choose your words real Badly.
Im with you one the freebees but calling me and all others here at R'O who use Poser Perverts ..... not good, even wors then the freebee's imho...

IF YOU WANT TO CONTACT BAR-CODE SENT A PM to 26FAHRENHEIT "same person"

Chris

My Free Stuff

FWIW, I'm more than a little peeved at the thread title, too. Not only the implication but the assertion that somehow the opinion contained within is official. It ain't. It's an opnion.

As for implying that I'm a pervert because I'm a member and merchant here, well, the TOS forbids me from replying but I'm sure you can take a wild guess.

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

My Store

My Gallery

Penguinisto is basically spot on
[Wow, bet you never thought you'd hear me say THAT, eh Tom? ;-) ]
with why we have allowed this.

The item in question has a thumbnail which uses a very adult-looking model on it. We wouldn't have allowed this (or any other "provocative" type clothing) on a model which appeared to be under 18.

Any mesh can be morphed to appear any age. That's why we steer clear of saying "this mesh is a child; this mesh is an adult". Victoria can be morphed to a young child. Laura can very easily be morphed into an adult figure. We have to judge individual cases based only on their individual appearance.

I'm pretty sure that was explained to you by admin when you initially complained about this. What with your thread title, it looks to me like you're trying to stir something up. That's not likely to happen when you've alienated most of the readers before they even start reading your post.

I don't think you're going to get anyone to agree with you that this is a child:

HARNESS for LAURA
by sekhet (homepage)

"you are terrifying
and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan Shire

Also I can't for the life of me see why you're boycotting the vendors here? It's not like THEY uploaded that freebie.

Oh for the record, I use Poser for porn, so by your measurements I suppose I am a pervert. I don't use Laura though, I've always found her almost as ugly as Steph3. And I don't condone CP in any form (no, CP does not stand for Content Paradise here) but calling everybody here perverts and boycotting their work (not that a single person's boycott will mean much anyway) is simply not on.

I think you owe some people here an apology. I personally couldn't care less about being called a pervert, but I DO mind being lopped in the same box as child molesters!

First time I've gotten called a pervert, just because I like Poser.
I'm a 64 yrs old Grandmother, and wife for 45 yrs. So I'm not out their swinging. Unless it's my hooters when I'm running from your bad choice of words.

Love is Grandchildren.

Poser is a tool like any other. It has no moral value in and of itself, any more than a hammer does. Poser is what the end user makes of it. Fields of flowers and dancing babies -- or scenes of graphic brutality. Or a gazillion other things inbetween.

Something To Do At 3:00AM

First of all, on the subject line, it was meant as an attention-grabbing byline, not as a statement of fact! I'm a Poser user myself, so on the interpretation most of you are taking, I'm accusing myself of being a pervert too, which was not my intention towards any of you.

Rather, it's products like this that get us all labelled as perverts, which was the point I was trying to make. R'osity, by accepting this freebie, seem to be endorsing that attitude.

As for the figure looking grown up, I don't see it. Physically, she is no more developed than my 14 year old daughter, and her face looks like the results of an amateur facepainter at a school fete.

Yes, a mesh can be morphed, but when this bit of gear is available for so many adult female figures, what is the point of producing it for a child?

Trekkiegrrl, as I thought I'd made clear in my original post, I have no problems with adult porn (I've produced some myself, though not for posting), but I am revolted by child porn.

"Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry!"

I get the feeling this thread is gonna be locked. I'd probly complain about depictions of bondage, but those harness images weren't offensive to me. I'm unfamiliar with this "laura" item, but it's not an actual girl, rather it's a 3d representation of a poser surface. IMVHO those harnesses weren't a TOS violation here, nor were they offensive to the extremes of what one useta see on the porno sites and possibly here - images depicting violence against women. I dunno if any of these sites allow, encourage or promote such images or sales of items used in such images, but it would be unfortunate if any of 'em were profiting from the depiction of abuse and degradation of women, even tho these are only 3d depictions of surfaces, not actual women or girls, hence there's no identifiable victim, as the court in the states has ruled. extreme images tend to desensitise viewers to abuse, and they become acceptable and desirable in such subcultures, in the same way members of pedophile groups become desensitised to child abuse.

Rather, it's products like this that get us all labelled as perverts, which was the point I was trying to make. R'osity, by accepting this freebie, seem to be endorsing that attitude.

Sounds like you've got your logic on backwards. Or something.

Maybe you should have gone with a more honest and straightforward title like "I don't like the rules here"?

"you are terrifying
and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan Shire

I agree with Miss Nancy about images tending to desensitize - I think that makes this Harness somewhat dangerous - it is implicitly saying that its okay to put kids into bondage gear. I'm with Starfish on this.

as a Pervert I must protest the lack of lime green jello and eggwhisks in the forums.....

oops.. wrong forums to complain in....

Perhaps I'm a pervert... (surely)

...but thanks for your thread! (I missed this freebie) :woot:

CASETTE
=======
"Poser isn't a SOFTWARE... it's a RELIGION!"

Please refrain from using clone accounts to support your own arguments... thank you...

"you are terrifying
and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan Shire

Quote - Please refrain from using clone accounts to support your own arguments... thank you...

Hmm. I did wonder about that. :)

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

My Store

My Gallery

You'll notice that I very tactfully and with confidentiality aforethought didn't address that to any one person, right? It was just a general remark.

And yes, the staff CAN see your IP address, folks.

"you are terrifying
and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan Shire

unless the clones are standing in green jello carrying an eggwhis.......

Khai has been sedated with a large mallet to the back of the head. we apologise for the inconvience.

As regards a 3d depiction of a surface, a photo is just a collection of inks on paper - it is what they represent to the viewer that matters. English law describes "photos or pseudo-photos" of children when discussing child pornography.

If my thread title was overinflamatory, then I apologise, but I was and am angry about this.

Unfortunately, I can't post any more responses for a few hours, as I'm likely to lose access to my computer for a while - I'm not retreating from the argument. I'll be back (said in suitable Terminator accent!)

"Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry!"

Quote - You'll notice that I very tactfully and with confidentiality aforethought didn't address that to any one person, right? It was just a general remark.

And yes, the staff CAN see your IP address, folks.

:lol:

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

My Store

My Gallery

Quote - You'll notice that I very tactfully and with confidentiality aforethought didn't address that to any one person, right? It was just a general remark.

And yes, the staff CAN see your IP address, folks.

You're kidding... :blink:

No, of course you're NOT kidding... :bored:

A duplicated member... PERVERT!!! :lol:

Quote - Unfortunately, I can't post any more responses for a few hours, as I'm likely to lose access to my computer for a while - I'm not retreating from the argument. I'll be back (said in suitable Terminator accent!)

With what nickname? :lol:

CASETTE
=======
"Poser isn't a SOFTWARE... it's a RELIGION!"

applauds Karens on-the-ball-iness!! LMAO!!

that was a great tactic though, i want clone accounts that agree with me now!!

Casette answer: YES
Kasette says: OF COURSE
K-Set-Eh thinks: I AGREE
Cazzette adds: ME TOO

:lol:

CASETTE
=======
"Poser isn't a SOFTWARE... it's a RELIGION!"

I recall instances of clone accounts where the various clones argued with themselves, rather than agreeing with each other. And I'm sure that they all shared the same IP address, too -- so at least they agreed on that point, anyway.

Something To Do At 3:00AM

Don't understand the discussion. Laura is a mesh, IMO better bending then e. g. V3 and look at this, it is Laura

Ulli

"Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!"

OK -- now I can't participate in this thread from the office anymore.

Something To Do At 3:00AM

Quote - Don't understand the discussion. Laura is a mesh, IMO better bending then e. g. V3 and look at this, it is Laura

She needs... uh... mumble, mumble...

... A HARNESS !!! :lol:

CASETTE
=======
"Poser isn't a SOFTWARE... it's a RELIGION!"

Aww I dunno. Sockpuppets can be so much fun!

Depending on what you put them on of course :m_coolsmirk:

That's impressive, Jules. Very natural looking, and definitely very adult.

"you are terrifying
and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan Shire

Quote - Aww I dunno. Sockpuppets can be so much fun!

Depending on what you put them on of course :m_coolsmirk:

YES, SIR

(MWHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA) :lol:

CASETTE
=======
"Poser isn't a SOFTWARE... it's a RELIGION!"

Quote - Aww I dunno. Sockpuppets can be so much fun!

Depending on what you put them on of course :m_coolsmirk:

http://plif.andkon.com/archive/wc247.gif

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

My Store

My Gallery

Ok.. Im a poser user myself and for the life of me agree with the officer on this.

My clones never agree with me! We're always arguing and they steal my best cothes and my boyfriends! :blink:

Absolutely impressive, Jules! And as long as there's no other models to give away the size, she's without a doubt an adult (well she is in any case, but it just proves that size doens't always matter)

I prefer David to M3, also because of better bending and morphs, and I've seen impressive things done with Luke (similar to your Laura, only without the boobies snort) and as long as you've got two Davids or whatever in the scene there's nothing that spells adolescent there either!

Casette... ;o)

Quote - > Quote - Aww I dunno. Sockpuppets can be so much fun!

Depending on what you put them on of course :m_coolsmirk:

http://plif.andkon.com/archive/wc247.gif

:m_cry: When I click your link there's just a white page... What WAS supposed to be there, Paul?

To Karen- Good for you :D (Pat on the back)
Bet you though I'd never say THAT, lol :P

Score one for Jules, lol :P
To succeed where all others have failed is a true accomplishment

The Doctor explains life:
"It's just natures way to keep meat fresh"

Quote - That's impressive, Jules. Very natural looking, and definitely very adult.

I agree, 110%.

Sitemail | Freestuff | Craftythings | Youtube|

Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it into a fruit salad.

It's gone to page 2, so it's not a problem from here. Either that, or be really fast with the scroll button on the 1st page -- nice-looking Laura-based character.

Something To Do At 3:00AM

hmm.....i was a pervert before i discovered poser...so does bein a poser pervert cancel the other out?

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Aww I dunno. Sockpuppets can be so much fun!

Depending on what you put them on of course :m_coolsmirk:

http://plif.andkon.com/archive/wc247.gif

:m_cry: When I click your link there's just a white page... What WAS supposed to be there, Paul?

go to the site www.plif.com and search for socks, using their search facility in the archive. I would post the pic here but I don't want to violate copyright.

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

My Store

My Gallery

For those who aren't perverts, perhaps we can work together and fix that problem so we can all use poser AND be perverts?

Am I a pervert, .....? Sure, you bet your lil blue bonnet. However I hate to inform you, my pervertedness has nothing to do with poser. Since I have no desire to take my computer, or a box containing the poser 6 CD to bed....... well it defeats the purpose.

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1526838

Perveted united never will be defeated. Poser uber alle!

Stupidity also evolves!

.... and now the thread is complete. :tt2:

My Freebies

:lol:

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

My Store

My Gallery

I'm not really sure that the argument, that there is no problem because the item in qusetion was advertised on an adult figure, holds much water.
Sexy lingerie for Maddie pre-school, sex-poses for Mat and Maddie pre-school - all advertised on adult figures of course. The current policy would seem to allow this.
It's all pretty sick to me.

Hmm, never occured to me that the harness was perverted or that the use of the harness was.....but now you it was brought up, I've come up with some very nasty things to do with it.

Ok, ok I admitt it, I already got the harness, and yes I too am a perv.

in reference to the original post:

If you really work in Law, then you can surely spot a few logical fallacies in your statements... Things like speculation and inductive reasoning just to name a few. Neither of which make something actually true.
Are you sure you work in law? Cause I don't and even I can spot the 'non sequiturness' of your statements.

As for the harness, It never would have occured to me to think of it in conjunction with a child, untill someone connected the dots for me. I've seen Laura meshes morphed into very adult figures, and some fantasy elf characters, and I would have never connected the harness with a child looking figure.
So, mr original poster, being that you did make that connection, what the heck kind of perverted stuff goes on in your head?

My cat has a harness too... doesn't mean I'm planing on molesting it (same with the dog)... And a few times I wanted to harness the teenagers in my house Again, not for molestation, but to just get them to sit still and not make a mess for a few minutes after everything has been cleaned up.

This reminded me of a situation of seeing a condom in a street, and ASSuming there's a cat-house in the neighborhood. A bit of a leap. Also, in case anyone forgot, nine-teen is also teenage years, and doesn't fall under statutory... I think in this state six-TEEN is the age of consent too.

Methinks, or shall I say this perv thinks the original poster is overblowing things just a TAD...

Hi, my namez: "NO, Bad Kitteh, NO!" Whaz yurs?
BadKittehCo Store BadKittehCo Freebies and product support

Quote - First of all, on the subject line, it was meant as an attention-grabbing byline, not as a statement of fact! I'm a Poser user myself, so on the interpretation most of you are taking, I'm accusing myself of being a pervert too, which was not my intention towards any of you.

Sigh. We really need a "how to communicate with other people" article somewhere, I swear. First line should read something like: "If you don't want people to interpret your words as a statement of fact, then don't make a statement of fact, and especially don't use words like 'official' when doing it." I can see someone getting upset about the item. I can see the arguments about why not to get upset about the item, too. Hello! I'm what you might call "on the fence." There are sensible ways of bringing that topic up to get people on your side about it. This was so not one of them. I'd think it's far more likely you riled up a whole bunch of people against even listening to your complaint (and quite possibly anything else you have to say) in a serious and open-minded manner on account of the way it was presented -- and I'm talking about people who would have been empathetic. Your presentation nudged me right off the fence, see, and right away from thinking you have the ability to consider this situation rationally. (Rational people, such a turn on. Rational people get me all hot and bothered. Wait... )

-D
---
It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye texture.

Quote - (Rational people, such a turn on. Rational people get me all hot and bothered. Wait... )

You perv you...
........................................................[ducking and running--------------------------->

Hi, my namez: "NO, Bad Kitteh, NO!" Whaz yurs?
BadKittehCo Store BadKittehCo Freebies and product support

Nah. I'm a zombie. I love me some braaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnns. grin

-D
---
It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye texture.

still no ladies standing in green jello.....?

damnit.. whats a pervert to do round here....

When is rationality ever associated with an emotional response?

When is a fair hearing ever given by those who have allready come to a conclusion.?

When is proff considered evidance against belief?

When is opinion considered a truth?

Quote - When is rationality ever associated with an emotional response?

Makes one wonder how old some people need to get before they learn that, and not claim they're being rational when their posts are bursting at seams from emotinal reactions.

Speaking of which, I'm PMSing, I shouldn't be posting at the moment :lol:
In case I bite anyone's head off, please take a number for the apology letter ;)

Hi, my namez: "NO, Bad Kitteh, NO!" Whaz yurs?
BadKittehCo Store BadKittehCo Freebies and product support

*When is proff considered evidance against belief?

*well I know several Proff(essors) that do........

*Speaking of which, I'm PMSing, I shouldn't be posting at the moment
In case I bite anyone's head off, please take a number for the apology letter ;)

*A mum, 2 sisters, several girlfriends later......I have learnt.....there is NO where we can hide.....

Quote -

As for the figure looking grown up, I don't see it. Physically, she is no more developed than my 14 year old daughter, and her face looks like the results of an amateur facepainter at a school fete.

Yes, a mesh can be morphed, but when this bit of gear is available for so many adult female figures, what is the point of producing it for a child?

Shoots...That mesh is more developed than my 23 year old niece....or my 46 year old sister-in-law. Both of em are A-cups.

Since when is a small busted short woman considered a child? Do big boobs alone make the distinction? If that's the case I was an adult at 11 'cause I was bigger busted than that mesh.

Just because it's a mesh designated as a 'millennium teen' doesn't make the mesh an actual 'teen' otherwise character makers would be up on charges for plastic surgery on kids without the parent's permission.

Oh....

Wait...

Meshes don't have parents....they aren't real. They're polygons.

Poor little parentless polygons.

Quote - Since when is a small busted short woman considered a child? Do big boobs alone make the distinction? If that's the case I was an adult at 11 'cause I was bigger busted than that mesh.

Ditto that exactly. I'm still five feet tall and I still have the boobs. Help! I've been stuck in a "She's a child. She's not a child! She's a child. She's not a child!" loop for 22 years. No wonder these topics get me all dizzy.

-D
---
It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye texture.

Quote - > Quote - Since when is a small busted short woman considered a child? Do big boobs alone make the distinction? If that's the case I was an adult at 11 'cause I was bigger busted than that mesh.

Ditto that exactly. I'm still five feet tall and I still have the boobs. Help! I've been stuck in a "She's a child. She's not a child! She's a child. She's not a child!" loop for 22 years. No wonder these topics get me all dizzy.

I'm 5'2"

When I was 21 and in the military, my boyfriend (now hub) had to bring his daughter in for a dental appointment. The guy behind the desk looked at the kid (who was 8 at the time, she's now 38), looked at me, looked at my man and asked him "Which one?"

Quote - When is rationality ever associated with an emotional response?

When is a fair hearing ever given by those who have allready come to a conclusion.?

When is proff considered evidance against belief?

When is opinion considered a truth?

When will Bill Cosby show up with the puddin' pops? :lol:

My Freebies

Poser IS for perverts - it's official! I appreciate the selfless devotion of those who can tear themselves away from the airport restrooms and congressional page lounges long enough to launch a moral crusade.

Download my free stuff here: http://www.renderosity.com/homepage.php?page=2&userid=323368

Is this to suggest that kid's can't be sexy? Alright then why does the entertianment industry use girls under eighteen in flashy seductive clothing? What would happen today if a song saying Your sixteen, your beautiful and your mine came out. Or songs like "Tragedy" by Arc Angel came out today. Or lets visit songs by Van Halen about: Hot for the Teacher. The fact of the matter is you started a thread that I personally find insulting and then you tried to weasel your way out and fill us with some bull about just trying to get attention. Fact is teens are indeed "hot" and always have been and generally among the group of younge folks is found the couples and parents of tomorrow and some dang sexy people(see Beverly Hills 90210). What is a grown man when a fifteen, sixteen or seventeen year old girl walks by on the beach in a string bikini and he happens to look and like what he sees from the sexually atractivness standpoint? From your perspective: A PERVERT. I call him a HUMAN BEING. This issue is getting so frickin' old. Let me ask you this: what do you think of that sun tan lotion sign with the dog pulling that little girls bathing suit down? Is that pediphile bait too? I don't think so myself personally(It does nothing for me). It's been around for years and years. Doesn't the government pass out rubbers at high school? The item you knocked is for a 3D figure in this case. In other words no animals were used or hurt during the making of the picture.

Go ahead, arrest me for nothing along with every straight male police officer that was ever on beach patrol. I'm guilty, I looked at a "hot" teen. We're all DOOMED!

Quote - Let me ask you this: what do you think of that sun tan lotion sign with the dog pulling that little girls bathing suit down? Is that pedophile bait too? I don't think so myself personally(It does nothing for me). It's been around for years and years.

And just LOOK where that Advertising led Jodie Foster's career! I mean! Gosh! She's rich, famous and she showed us some heiney when she was a toddler! Gosh! :blink:

My Freebies

Quote - What is a grown man when a fifteen, sixteen or seventeen year old girl walks by on the beach in a string bikini and he happens to look and like what he sees from the sexually atractivness standpoint? From your perspective: A PERVERT. I call him a HUMAN BEING.

I dunno, I'd lean towards calling him a pervert. People who look at children, knowing they are children, and think "I'd like to have sex with that" have faulty head wiring. And if you get an erotic charge out of the little girl getting her underpants pulled down by the dog in the suntan lotion ad, yes, I'd say you're pretty far down the pedophile road.

My Freebies

Quote - Meshes don't have parents....they aren't real. They're polygons.

No, yes it do! All of them have as parent the hip which has the BODY as parent.
And the UNIVERSE is the parent of parents.
If a mesh is orfan you can easily adopt a parent, just click in the menu "set parent"....

Stupidity also evolves!

I never said anything about wanting to touch them pjz99( I don't appreciate that coment either). I'm saying that these realities exists and cannot be denied. If you don't think it does then you live in a dream world. If you don't think teenage girls and boys don't try to look sexy like their adult couter parts then your living in a dream world. Yes, I'm being truthful only. They are too. You blind?

The problem is that G-d has some big psychological trauma with sex, His followers manages to find perversion in the most unusual things. Who knows what His M-ther did to him...
As we do usual and unusual things
We are the World, we are the Perverts.....

Stupidity also evolves!

Hi, I expected that the one for Laura would offend somebody, and maybe I should have morphed the face and breasts to make the figure look older. Thats no reason not to buy anything from the vendors here, they didnt do it. I DID, and it appears that I didnt violate the TOS, or it wouldnt have been posted. As far as the bondage thing is concerend texture it different and it could be any number of things, a hangglider rig, a parachute harness, a sci-fi weapons and equipment harness, use your imagination for non perverted ideas. A lot of people like to use the figure for fairies and such, so you could use it as an evil fairie outfit. Im not condoning any kind of child sex act, I think the guys they show on To Catch a Preadatoron TV deserve what they get. As far as the age of consent goes in Kansas it was lowered to 14 years ago. There was even a case in court where a 23 year old male went to Kansas to marry his 14 year old girl friend. Kind of weird at the very least dont you think ? As far as the offensive clothing item goes if you don`t like it nobody is twisting your arm into downloading it. 300+ people (perverts) have downloaded it so far.

The worst thing about this thread is the dragging of Sekhet's name all over the place by the original poster in order to make an argument that has nothing to do with Sekhet. It's a shitty way to treat a fellow artist in my opinion.

Of course, it would be a Federal, and not a state issue, if you had actually uploaded anything illegal. Just put an over-50 skin on an adult-morphed Laura and you'll get no complaints.

Download my free stuff here: http://www.renderosity.com/homepage.php?page=2&userid=323368

Quote - I never said anything about wanting to touch them pjz99( I don't appreciate that coment either). I'm saying that these realities exists and cannot be denied. If you don't think it does then you live in a dream world. If you don't think teenage girls and boys don't try to look sexy like their adult couter parts then your living in a dream world. Yes, I'm being truthful only. They are too. You blind?

You put forth a pretty distasteful set of statements, and now you're mad because I found them distasteful? Do you want me to apologize to pedophiles everywhere or something? Regardless of what the kid is trying to look like, **if you look at a kid, knowing it's a kid, and think "I'd like to have sex with that" then you have faulty head wiring, period. ** Is something less than completely clear about that statement?

My Freebies

Now lets take a look at another film classic "Grease" for instance(remember that high school classic?). At the end Olivia Newton John puts on this skin tight outfit and even dances sexy and sings with John T. at the end of the film. Was she supposed to be seventeen or eighteen? My opinion is that the most a responcible adult should get out of the whole thing is maybe a deep desire to once again be younge and in the game again. Of which we are not and I personally except that myself. I can't speak for everyone though. Go arrest them and leave me alone. The problem is the judges will let them go before you get the paperwork filled out and that's what really eats at you. Don't take that out on the rest of us. I can't help it the system is screwed up.

RAMNIMUS:

Quote - The worst thing about this thread is the dragging of Sekhet's name all over the place by the original poster in order to make an argument that has nothing to do with Sekhet. It's a shitty way to treat a fellow artist in my opinion.

100% true, and sad.

My Freebies

Did anyone see the flap recently about that twelve-year-old girl in Australia working as a professional model, and serving as "the face of the Gold Coast Fashion Week"?

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,22414903-952,00.html

This type of hot topic tends to get people hot under the collar. Interesting topic, though: in view of the fact that many professional fashion models begin their careers at age 14. It's a truly cutthroat business, and sleazy. Most of the top models who are pulling down millions of dollars went through a LOT to get where they are. Much of it not very pleasant. Not to mention the fact that for every Cindy Crawford success story there are 1000's of girls who went nowhere, career-wise -- and who went through deep waters arriving at that undesirable destination.

They would have been better off living a 'normal' life. But beautiful women are always in demand as a money-making commodity: so the business isn't going to go away. In fact, it seems to grow ever larger year-by-year.

shrug I've seen 14-year-olds who I would have sworn were 25 -- if I hadn't known better. And I've also seen 25-year-olds who I thought were 15.

In my personal opinion, the ideal age for beauty in women is in their late 20's through their 30's: but the fact is that men WILL notice an attractive woman at any age. Emphasis on the word "woman".

Something To Do At 3:00AM

Quote - **if you look at a kid, knowing it's a kid, and think "I'd like to have sex with that" then you have faulty head wiring, period. ** Is something less than completely clear about that statement?

OK in my mind there's a HUGE difference between "kids" and "teenagers". And I don't seriously blame people for looking at a seductively clad 16-17 year old thinking "I wanna have sex with that) (of course... they better not look at MY daughter that way ;o) )
Fact remains: Teenagers are sexual beings. I'm not talking about 13-14 year old kids, though technically teenagers, they're still (at least most places) under the AOC. And BTW the AOC here is 15. As far as I know, my own daughter was 15 when she had sex for the first time, but she had a boyfriend at the age of 13 (and did indeed look like she was at least 16 at the time)

We all know people in their 20/30/even older who are getting carded when they want to by liquors. And I bet it's not all that uncommon either to see a 12 year od who looks much older. My own "little" kid just turned 12 and ... well to my eyes she looks like she could easily be 14.

So, once again, I do not condone child molestors in any way. But the AOC is there for a reason. Once you've reached that, you're not a child anymore!

File this one under Shocking Strange Facts of History: at the founding of the US in 1776, the AOC was 10 (that's right - ten). IIRC, AOC wasn't raised to 13 until the 1830's, although I'd have to go look it up. AOC was later raised to 16 (in the late 1800's), largely through the tireless efforts of moral crusaders of that era.......people who likely wouldn't be very popular nowadays. But those people saw an AOC set at 13 as being evil -- and an excuse for older men to take advantage of young girls.

Actually, the 'adult at 18' thing is a recent societal determination. I strongly agree with it, BTW. But I'm honest enough to admit that historically speaking: it's relatively new among mores.

Of course, when one considers that many people didn't live much past age 35 in former eras, then the custom of getting married at age 12 might make more sense.

Something To Do At 3:00AM

Slavery was only recently abolished too, by that standard (getting pretty far off topic, but that there is a doozy).

My Freebies

Actually, chattel slavery is still very much a part of today's world. You can easily buy a child or a woman in certain parts of Africa and the Middle East.

A couple of American men went over to -- Sudan(?) Chad (?) -- recently, and bought a small boy for (I think) $600......just to show how easily it could be done. They brought the boy back to the States with them, announced their actions -- and promptly precipitated a huge fight over the morality of what they had done.

In reality: I think that certain people in this country were made just a little too uncomfortable by having such a thing demonstrated so openly.

But you are right: this is getting way off topic. I'm signing off for the night.

Something To Do At 3:00AM

Quote- "You put forth a pretty distasteful set of statements, and now you're mad because I found them distasteful? Do you want me to apologize to pedophiles everywhere or something? Regardless of what the kid is trying to look like, **if you look at a kid, knowing it's a kid, and think "I'd like to have sex with that" then you have faulty head wiring, period. ** Is something less than completely clear about that statement?"

Sounds like to me you're saying my wiring is faulty. I'd say you misinterpreted what I wrote and your putting ideas and/or words in my mouth I don't agree with. I don't appreciate your personal attacks directed at me at all! You can't handle it? That's your problem not mine. I'm not going to ask for an apology. I have broad shoulders. I can handle it I think because your opinion don't mean squat to me, but I can't see hanging around you here any longer and taking this kind of abuse from you. See Ya!

dogor,

Quote - Sounds like to me you're saying my wiring is faulty.

I dunno, are you saying you look at children and think "I'd like to have sex with that"? If so, then you have faulty head wiring. If not, then possibly you don't (but it might be faulty for other reasons).

My Freebies

WOW.

Don't look at me. I AM a pervert, a monster, and a demon. But don't let that worry you. I only like to associate with 3d meshes. I don't actually like to be around people. So you're all safe.
:rolleyes:

Okay, it's mornng, I've calmed down (a bit). I'm not going to address everything - this thread's exploded in all directions. I accept my original thread title was ill-considered - I was angry at the response my husband had received when he emailed the admin staff about this product. I typed when I should have stopped and thought.

It was not a case of "dragging Sekhet into it" - the whole thread was about a single product that he had produced. I still maintain that producing a piece of bondagewear for a figure described by its supplier as a "young teenager" is inappropriate. This goes beyond finding it merely offensive - (generally I just ignore such things), but IMHO the issue here goes deeper. I admit I hadn't realised how common it was to morph Laura into an adult - she's not a figure I've used much - but her basic look and intention from DAZ is for her to be a young teenager - not a teenager (18+) but one aged 13-14. The harness is not a parachute harness or anything else - the straps are highly impractical for anything else - but is sexwear. Even Sekhet had his doubts about it - click his Details button on the freebie. I agree with him - he shouldn't have done it!
It is dangerous to associate children with sex. Yes, Conniecat, maybe my view is coloured by some of the people I work with professionally (I'm a mother myself of a teenage daughter so perhaps that also colours my responses). I have dealt wih a number of pretty appalling sex cases recently. One that sticks in my mind was a septuagenarian who complained because English law would not allow him to have sex with a 12-year old. He drew on sexualised children images from the media to bolster his twisted view. The harness for Laura touched a raw nerve for both me and my husband.

Poser porn has always and always will be a significant part of poserdom, but there should be limits to what is available. I felt, and still feel, that this particular freebie goes beyond those limits.

"Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry!"

Quote - Hi, I expected that the one for Laura would offend somebody, and maybe I should have morphed the face and breasts to make the figure look older. Thats no reason not to buy anything from the vendors here, they didnt do it. I DID, and it appears that I didnt violate the TOS, or it wouldnt have been posted. As far as the bondage thing is concerend texture it different and it could be any number of things, a hangglider rig, a parachute harness, a sci-fi weapons and equipment harness, use your imagination for non perverted ideas. A lot of people like to use the figure for fairies and such, so you could use it as an evil fairie outfit. Im not condoning any kind of child sex act, I think the guys they show on To Catch a Preadatoron TV deserve what they get. As far as the age of consent goes in Kansas it was lowered to 14 years ago. There was even a case in court where a 23 year old male went to Kansas to marry his 14 year old girl friend. Kind of weird at the very least dont you think ? As far as the offensive clothing item goes if you don`t like it nobody is twisting your arm into downloading it. 300+ people (perverts) have downloaded it so far.

Well in all of this I'd just like to know this.

Would you pleaaaaaaase consider making some for the M3,D3,Hiro,James,etc....sekhet.

Thanks,

Poser pervert 103

Quote -
Poser porn has always and always will be a significant part of poserdom, but there should be limits to what is available. I felt, and still feel, that this particular freebie goes beyond those limits.

It really bothers me when people speak of Poser Porn here at Renderosity!! Renderosity does not allow Poser Porn... I believe that's why the similar sounding site that does allow Poser Porn was started. People really need to stop equating nudity with pornography. I do nude poser renders all the time and they could almost be construed as Poser softcorePorn if anything... that seems to be the norm here at renderosity when it comes to nude renders. They're polygons and not real regardless of how real they look!! I'm not getting involved in the debate from the original post other than agreeing about the close minded naming of this thread... tsk... gneralization on any level stinks! I don't make porn with poser, I do however make tasteful (though I heavily fall into the oversized frontal female attributes catagory) nudes that on some tiny level may be construed as some form of art... meh...

Well, that's my two cents....

Gerard

The GR00VY GH0ULIE!

You are pure, you are snow
We are the useless sluts that they mould
Rock n roll is our epiphany
Culture, alienation, boredom and despair

Quote - > Quote -

Poser porn has always and always will be a significant part of poserdom, but there should be limits to what is available. I felt, and still feel, that this particular freebie goes beyond those limits.

It really bothers me when people speak of Poser Porn here at Renderosity!! Renderosity does not allow Poser Porn... I believe that's why the similar sounding site that does allow Poser Porn was started. People really need to stop equating nudity with pornography.

I don't see anyone in this thread equalling nudity with pornography.
And I fail to see why it's wrong to acknowledg that Poser is indeed used for porn. Yes, R'otica exists for those kinds of things (as does RaunchyMinds and a slew of other forums/gelleries) but why can't we discuss the matter here? Oh right. The Family Friendly-ness of this site? Well first of all, I seriously doubt that there are all that many kids reading the forums here. And secondly, you must be living on a deserted island if you (generic "you", mind) believe that kids(!) do not look at porn whereever they can get their grubby little hands on it. It's part of growing up. And the more forbidden it is, the more exciting it becomes. I'm not saying we should plaster porn posters all over town and show hardcore movies on prime time on all national TV channels. Nothing of the sort. I prefer to chose WHEN I want to look at people involved in sexual situations. But That doesn't mean I NEVER look at it.

And I freely admit to making Poser porn. Not merely "artistic nudity". I just keep that part of my renders where they belong. Which is not here :o)

Quote - > Quote - Since when is a small busted short woman considered a child? Do big boobs alone make the distinction? If that's the case I was an adult at 11 'cause I was bigger busted than that mesh.

Ditto that exactly. I'm still five feet tall and I still have the boobs. Help! I've been stuck in a "She's a child. She's not a child! She's a child. She's not a child!" loop for 22 years. No wonder these topics get me all dizzy.

heh Short stature has nada to do with it. I'm 5'10", going to be 27 on Sunday...and I got carded last weekend at an 18+ show. I get carded almost every time I buy liquor (unless I go to a small store in Jasper), and was actually shooed out of an adult lingerie shoppe 2 years ago. And I've always thought I looked old. :lol:

Sitemail | Freestuff | Craftythings | Youtube|

Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it into a fruit salad.

Quote - Slavery was only recently abolished too, by that standard (getting pretty far off topic, but that there is a doozy).

Slavery was abolished when the Roman Empire become Christian and was re-introduced again only in the 16th century by some people called "Christians" and by whom never were Christian!

Stupidity also evolves!

Quote - > Quote - > Quote -

Poser porn has always and always will be a significant part of poserdom, but there should be limits to what is available. I felt, and still feel, that this particular freebie goes beyond those limits.

It really bothers me when people speak of Poser Porn here at Renderosity!! Renderosity does not allow Poser Porn... I believe that's why the similar sounding site that does allow Poser Porn was started. People really need to stop equating nudity with pornography.

I don't see anyone in this thread equalling nudity with pornography.
And I fail to see why it's wrong to acknowledg that Poser is indeed used for porn. Yes, R'otica exists for those kinds of things (as does RaunchyMinds and a slew of other forums/gelleries) but why can't we discuss the matter here?

And I freely admit to making Poser porn. Not merely "artistic nudity". I just keep that part of my renders where they belong. Which is not here :o)

I just mean the almost general consensus on this forum here (the only Poser forum I visit btw) that the constant deluge (which I take part in wholeheartedly) of nekkid huge breasted V3's are a nothing but Poser Porn... It seems like every week someone tosses in a comment in some forum post like "I don't view the gallery here cuz I don't like porn" or something similar all the time!!! Real life porn is cool if that's what you're into... I used to have a problem with porn and it played a part in my marriage ending so whenever I see anything nekkid nowadays it's usually been done in Poser! Heh!! Again, in my opinion it seems that lots of forum folks here do indeed equate nudity with porn... I just calls 'em like I see's 'em! That's my just my opinion. It means something to me and if it doesn't mean anything to (generic) *YOU" that's cool... I do my darnedest to value everyones opinion until they give very good reason not to... there's very few people in this world who's opinion I do not value.

Ciao for now!

Gerard

The GR00VY GH0ULIE!

You are pure, you are snow
We are the useless sluts that they mould
Rock n roll is our epiphany
Culture, alienation, boredom and despair

Good morning folks...

this has now strayed into the area of human sexual response, what is ab/normal, paedophilia, etc. While it may be interesting to some (in the sense of academic interest) it's something guaranteed to get lots of people angry and upset. That usually leads to personal attacks and the locking of the thread.

I'd have to say that the Poser forum is not the place to discuss the ethical aspects of basic human sexual response, the ideal age of consent, society's sexualisation of children, or the demon media.

I'd also counsel everyone to remember that simply by the law of averages and statistics, AT LEAST one in 15 people here (a very conservative estimate) is likely to be a survivor of sexual abuse or assault as a child.

As many forum regulars here know, that statistic includes myself. As well-healed survivors, my ex and I worked for many years with other survivors as well as the police, probation service, and health services.

(The above info is just in case anyone feels like shouting "You don't know WTF you're on about!")

ANYWAY my point being, we're getting close to lock territory here. I'm not seeing any real advantage in keeping the thread open, so any more little flames getting started will mean I close the thread.

Karen

"you are terrifying
and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan Shire

I don't feel this has "strayed" into what is paedophilia. It was more or less the original subject here: That the Millennium Teen couldn't wear a bondage harness because she was a kid.

And human sexual responses are a natural offspring of that discussion, isn't it? What makes you percieve a specific character as a child? When are you a child? Does the AOC has anything to do with your perception of "childness"?

I must say, given the volatile nature of the subject, I think that people have behaved exceptionally well so far. There has hardly BEEN any flames. People are discussing it, disagreeing, but - apart from a few feeble attempts - there hasn't even been any noteworthy namecalling.

Lock it if you feel it's needed. I don't. Not at the moment.

Lock it if you feel it's needed. I don't. Not at the moment.

I agree, which is why I posted... I want it to stay that way ;o)

"you are terrifying
and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan Shire

Quote - > Quote - Meshes don't have parents....they aren't real. They're polygons.

No, yes it do! All of them have as parent the hip which has the BODY as parent.
And the UNIVERSE is the parent of parents.
If a mesh is orfan you can easily adopt a parent, just click in the menu "set parent"....

Ahhh....so Laura's (and the rest of em's) assigned momma/daddy is an alien from an alternate universe consisting of morphable polygonist hippies.

No wonder they need harnessessesses.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Since when is a small busted short woman considered a child? Do big boobs alone make the distinction? If that's the case I was an adult at 11 'cause I was bigger busted than that mesh.

Ditto that exactly. I'm still five feet tall and I still have the boobs. Help! I've been stuck in a "She's a child. She's not a child! She's a child. She's not a child!" loop for 22 years. No wonder these topics get me all dizzy.

heh Short stature has nada to do with it. I'm 5'10", going to be 27 on Sunday...and I got carded last weekend at an 18+ show. I get carded almost every time I buy liquor (unless I go to a small store in Jasper), and was actually shooed out of an adult lingerie shoppe 2 years ago. And I've always thought I looked old. :lol:

Believe me, you'll like having that mutant anti-aging gene when you hit my age (50) and look about 10 to 15 years younger than what the calandar insists on.

One advantage with being taller tho is the depth of your voice. Unless you're one of the rare ones, taller women tend not to have the child like voices that smaller women do....less likely to get the "Could you get your mommy or daddy please." bit on the phone.

Just keep pushing it pjz99. You're the one who keeps saying that not me. Looks like maybe your on witch hunt. I call it slander.

Wouldn't that be "libel"???? Sorry... lighten up! From what I've read pjz hasn't said anything aimed at anyone in general so no libelous comments have been made.

The GR00VY GH0ULIE!

You are pure, you are snow
We are the useless sluts that they mould
Rock n roll is our epiphany
Culture, alienation, boredom and despair

I see this all as a "proposed" problem. Now I think i'd have a fit if my thirteen year old daughter came down from her room dressed in that thing......... however, she's all nice and real, and the outfit is polygons, it wouldn't work out.

I think its slightly rediculous that someone is harping an item, tossing gernalizations in a blanket over an entire community, over an item which, ........ may not even be used in the way described by the original poster.

Now....... SHOW me where this item is being used to illicit child pornography, show me there's actual poser users spewing out all these child figures in bondage using THIS item...... and I'll get behind you.

Until then you are -guessing- what people will use it for. Since you are the one imagining its implications, does that not mean that YOU are the pervert? After all, you are the one comming up with the fetishised connotations, and not us.

"Somebody" is terribly defensive about "something". /shrug

My Freebies

It's like every week, these threads popup. Hmm, I use Poser for animations so does that make me a perv? And my figures have clothes on.

Now where's the dead horse?

Quote -

Now where's the dead horse?

And the popcorn... more entertaining watching sumpin like this unfold with snackz!!!

The GR00VY GH0ULIE!

You are pure, you are snow
We are the useless sluts that they mould
Rock n roll is our epiphany
Culture, alienation, boredom and despair

Quote -
Now where's the dead horse?

wait til hawkfyre sees the thread :)

Quote - File this one under Shocking Strange Facts of History: at the founding of the US in 1776, the AOC was 10 (that's right - ten). IIRC, AOC wasn't raised to 13 until the 1830's, although I'd have to go look it up. AOC was later raised to 16 (in the late 1800's), largely through the tireless efforts of moral crusaders of that era.......people who likely wouldn't be very popular nowadays. But those people saw an AOC set at 13 as being evil -- and an excuse for older men to take advantage of young girls.

Of course, when one considers that many people didn't live much past age 35 in former eras, then the custom of getting married at age 12 might make more sense.

Incidentally, This is true. Here is the odd thing. The reason the statutes were changed was because we live longer. However, just because we live longer does not mean by some magic, young people are not capable of making the same decisions or relationship obligations than they could have 500 years ago. The same goes for the drinking age, and the driving ages being raised all over the place.

The people touting all these changes note that it is "the rise of incidence" of accidents, sexual abuse, and irresponsibility". None of that is actually true. There isn't MORE of it, there are just MORE young people. The rise is due to mortality rates rising in kids, not that they are any worse than their predecessors. More people, more problems, it has nothing to do with age.

Now that I've gotten completely off topic LOL..... back to it.

For reference as i stated just earlier, about someone possibly being perverted thinking about what "might be done" with something, when nothing has been done with it. I hold to that fact, considering, history shows, most laws and entire handbooks of religeon on what NOT to do, and whats wrong, are written by monks, clerics, and the like, who'd never even HAD sex.

I guess when you aren't doing it, you have a whole lot of time to think about the possibilities.

Quote - I see this all as a "proposed" problem. Now I think i'd have a fit if my thirteen year old daughter came down from her room dressed in that thing......... however, she's all nice and real, and the outfit is polygons, it wouldn't work out.

I think its slightly rediculous that someone is harping an item, tossing gernalizations in a blanket over an entire community, over an item which, ........ may not even be used in the way described by the original poster.

Now....... SHOW me where this item is being used to illicit child pornography, show me there's actual poser users spewing out all these child figures in bondage using THIS item...... and I'll get behind you.

Until then you are -guessing- what people will use it for. Since you are the one imagining its implications, does that not mean that YOU are the pervert? After all, you are the one comming up with the fetishised connotations, and not us.

Yanno you brought to mind something, I have two girls, 10 and 14 and their cousin who's 17 had a couple pair of those 'fetish' pants with all the straps and bits of chain wrapped around and off the pants waist and legs. My girls were dying for some too (too danged expensive for kids who'll grow out of em in a couple of months tho) ...I could actually see a teen using that harness over some kind of outfit as a fashion statement depending on the crowd they ran with...punketts, bat babies, anime wannabes and the like.

Exactly. That item could be used in a hundred different ways, textured differently...... so on so fourth. An item in and of itself, is not perverted, its what is done with it.

Incidentally...... I don't have the item, but I do appreciate that the creator Sekhret made it. He created an item, not a genre.

I'm prob one of the few artists that doesn't render nudes or children and I take offense when someone calls me a perv for using Poser or any render program. Poser figures are not real. How can anyone sit here and compare real life with fake artwork or a freebie? Gez, the figures need clothes people make them. I for one do not knock a freebie provider. Without them, I wouldn't be able to render. If you dont like the item the person is offering for free, here's a hint, don't download it. I can't believe someone gripes about a freebie. Got to be kidding me.

Waits for dead horse and popcorn.*

Let's look at the title of this thread. Poser is for perverts-it's official. Hmmm, I use poser and maybe you use poser too. I use a pervert's program? No, I'm not going to lighten up and if that person wants, I'll make good on my promise. Keep pushing it and see what happens if you keep connecting me with that or the feeling of some kind of silly wrongful shame for saying teenage girls look sexy or using Poser then this ain't over. Teenage girls are too close to looking like adult women to be anything else in a man's eyes. In fact it's hard if not impossible to tell the difference sometimes. Yes, I've looked at them and gathered that opinion myself or I couldn't say that. I've done nothing wrong. I see nothing wrong with the freebie item either. How Poser and the content is used depends on the artist. I don't think the thread title helps Poser or the reputation's of it's users. I don't take lightly to somebody judging people in an open forum for what they may or may not think. Believe me, I know right from wrong pjz99. I abide by the laws of this country.

dogor,

whoa..... dogor, if you have such a beef with someone do you really think a public forum like this is the best place to handle it?

If ya don't wanna lighten up, perhaps you may be so inclined to take a chill pill!!

See? That's me trying to encourage levity...

The GR00VY GH0ULIE!

You are pure, you are snow
We are the useless sluts that they mould
Rock n roll is our epiphany
Culture, alienation, boredom and despair

Quote - Keep pushing it and see what happens if you keep connecting me with that or the feeling of some kind of silly wrongful shame for saying teenage girls look sexy or using Poser then this ain't over. Teenage girls are too close to looking like adult women to be anything else in a man's eyes.

You seem to be trying to say that having erotic thoughts about minors (in the US, this is people below the age of 18) is the male norm, and I can assure you it's not.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=pedophilia

Do I misunderstand you?

My Freebies

Loooooock time.

(munches popcorn and waits for the flogging to commence) Oh, one thing to keep in mind. Accusing someone of pedophilia is accusing them of sexual interest =in pre-pubescent children=. That is the accepted definition, and the current vogue of calling someone a 'pedo' if they express attraction for an mid-to-late teen adolescent is a serious misuse of the word (as well as totally ignoring the fact that mid-to-late teens of both genders are busily strutting and showing the booty and generally sending out those mating feelers that all yearling mammals do. Appreciating the scenery is a -far- different thing than taking advantage of it is).

Blinks, how did this topic turn into a pedo topic? wow.

When a certain someone started very vehemently down the line with: "Is this to suggest that kid's can't be sexy?"

My Freebies

Dale B:

Quote - Accusing someone of pedophilia is accusing them of sexual interest =in pre-pubescent children=. That is the accepted definition, and the current vogue of calling someone a 'pedo' if they express attraction for an mid-to-late teen adolescent is a serious misuse of the word ...

Your opinion is not "the accepted definition".

My Freebies

Quote - Dale B:

Quote - Accusing someone of pedophilia is accusing them of sexual interest =in pre-pubescent children=. That is the accepted definition, and the current vogue of calling someone a 'pedo' if they express attraction for an mid-to-late teen adolescent is a serious misuse of the word ...

Your opinion is not "the accepted definition".

True. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia The medical community however -does- define it that way. And since pedophilia is first and foremost a -medical- definition term, whatever colloquial usage is batted about currently is irrelevant. And no, I am not claiming that wikipedia speaks for the medical community. However, there are links there that lead to the proper in-use medical references that =do= make that definition.

Quote - I think in this state six-TEEN is the age of consent too.

Funny you should mention that... there was a local news story last night about a Cheerleading Coach who got arrested for having sex with a 16-year-old girl. Seems that 16 is the legal age for consent in the state of Washington (just next door to where I live in Portland, Oregon), unless the adult participant is a coach, minister, counselor, or teacher. > Quote - still no ladies standing in green jello.....?

You have to go to Utah for that. (inside joke - ask someone @ DAZ what it means ;) ). -- As for age vs. looks? PJ - I think you're misconstruing the difference between puberty and law. One is driven by evolution, the other by policy. If a female walked by on the beach and she hasn't hit puberty or has just begun going through it, then obviously she's not going to elicit an erotic charge out of a normal heterosexual male observer, even in a string bikini (any more than an obviously prepubescent boy would from a normal homosexual male observer). There I agree with you. I also agree that kids really, really shouldn't look (or try to look) "sexy". That said - if a female walked along the beach in a string bikini and looks 'hot' (as in, "capable of reproduction"), she looks 'hot'. Call it a nasty leftover from evolution. Until someone mandates changeable "I'm legal!" tattoos, nothing's really going to change that. -- Now, what does this have to do with mesh? Simple... there are lots of subtle cues that visually determine pubescence (and not just breast-size, either - think hips, face, arms, legs, etc, all in combination). If it looks adult, it doesn't need huge bazongas to show it. Couple that with the fact that conforming clothing is built for the base mesh, I see no probs with what Sekhet made and distributed. /P

Ok...lets get at least one thing corrected.

The 'official' medically based definition of pedophilia is:

www.medem.com/MedLB/article_detaillb.cfm

**
**

**====================
**

The Characteristics of Pedophilia

According to the DSM-IV definition, pedophilia involves sexual activity by an adult with a prepubescent child. Some individuals prefer females, usually 8- to 10-year-olds. Those attracted to males usually prefers slightly older children. Some prefer both sexes. While some are sexually attracted only to children, others also are sometimes attracted to adults.

=================

http://www.medem.com/MedLB/article_detaillb.cfm?article_ID=ZZZUZRUZGLC&sub_cat=355#DSMIV_Criteria_for_Pedophilia

==============

DSM-IV **Criteria for Pedophilia

** *Over a period of at least six months, recurrent, intense, sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 or younger).

**The fantasies, sexual urges or behaviors cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational or other important areas of functioning.

**The person is at least age 16 years and at least five years older than the child or children in Criterion A. Note: Do not include an individual in late adolescence involved in an ongoing sexual relationship with a 12- or 13- year-old.

============

The above are the three criteria involved in the process to determine pedophilia and must be present in order to diagnose someone as having the disorder...they also come with certain 'howevers' particularly the last criteria.

I asked you guys to play nice, but some can't drop it.

Poser forum isn't the place for this, folks. Show's over.

"you are terrifying
and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan Shire

Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL

Subject: Poser IS for perverts - it's official! (At least at Rendo)