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Hi there - I'm interested in buying the lovely Gioia character available at Daz. I realize that it's Daz policy to restrict the type of promotional images used, however this makes buying decisions rather difficult (I've been disappointed on several occasions in the past because of not being able to fully see what I was getting in advance!). So, as long as it's no trouble, I was wondering if anyone who has the character might be able to post a couple of reasonably hi-res unclothed renders?

I've PM'd the character creators asking for this along with some close up details (hands, feet, nipples etc), but I'm not sure if they'll be able to help or not...

Many thanks in advance!

If they want to sell it they will.......  Personally if I couldnt get help from a vendor, I wouldnt buy from them.

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If you can't eat it or play with it,

just pee on it and walk away. :-)

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I wouldnt have to manage my anger

if people would manage their stupidity......

 

Mostly I get very helpful responses from vendors, but I've had a few problems contacting people via PM at Daz - I think some vendors might log in less frequently there. I'm also not sure if there's any restriction on Daz vendors distributing nude images of their products? ...in fact, I've just noticed that the character has been advertised in the product showcase here, again with a clothed figure - I should have checked there before posting here oops!

Send the vendor a sitemail through here as well. Also if you dont get a reply then you might try the customer service forum.
I think she's clothed here because of how old she looks.

Handle every stressful situation like a dog.

If you can't eat it or play with it,

just pee on it and walk away. :-)

....................................................

I wouldnt have to manage my anger

if people would manage their stupidity......

 

Thanks for the advice :) I've just posted the request in their product showcase thread, so hopefully that'll reach them fairly quickly...

edit:  to my mind, the character looks fairly old (mid 20s?) and certainly very 'womanly' ...so hopefully there shouldn't be a problem with nude promotional renders here...

your welcome.

Handle every stressful situation like a dog.

If you can't eat it or play with it,

just pee on it and walk away. :-)

....................................................

I wouldnt have to manage my anger

if people would manage their stupidity......

 

The idea about the character body is a more latin style. She looks like a Brazilian girl...

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I bought it. Not what I was expecting. No renders to show, but I guess that's not what you expect....

I bought her.. and instantly changed the skin... not saying hers is crap... just I like the morph... not the dark skin... well I don't like dark skins full stop.

raised eyebrow at the above response...on topic...for me there isnt enough of ethnic skins. so i will be takin a look at this one. to bad the 10 other ones from the site are not offered here and in DAZ site.

Quote - for me there isnt enough of ethnic skins

Well, yes and no.  There are a fair number, but to find a nice one can be tedious. I find that for dark skin that some people don't pay close attention to the palms, bottoms of feet, knees, elbows.. basically where skin tends to be either darker or lighter in colour. Also some go overboard with the yellow tone and the skin ends up looking sickly/jaundiced.

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able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
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> Quote - > Quote - for me there isnt enough of ethnic skins > > > > Well, yes and no.  There are a fair number, but to find a nice one can be tedious. I find that for dark skin that some people don't pay close attention to the palms, bottoms of feet, knees, elbows.. basically where skin tends to be either darker or lighter in colour. Also some go overboard with the yellow tone and the skin ends up looking sickly/jaundiced.

thats true. :) these skins this person makin look intresting though. where cna i find others? i looked at this site but i only seen 2 offered.. im not good at makin skin so i hav ta rely on others :) what you think of this? im still newbie so lot of work to be done. just wnat to knwo wha tim doin wrong. these are Poser 7

and this

those are just rough drafts

Rochelle from Romania by Angel Luciano (in RMP) is a good texture (V3). Morris has some nice black ones. I also like the morph of Renapd's  Napolitana for V3 which is no longer available, unfortunately. I hate the way Daz has such small promos. You can hardly see the texture. I seldom buy characters from them unless I know the merchant from RR and trust them.

This is an old character of mine, when I mixed my morphs with these textures I got the look I was after.

It's Shahara from runtimedna:
www.runtimedna.com/mod/bcs/index.php

I found it to be a good ethnic skin. Just to add it's for V3.

Great skin... we just need that 3DUniverse launch the UTC plugin for Vic4

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The best dark skin texture I've come across has to be by Rebelmommy called "Lucretia" that's sold over at RDNA. ( www.runtimedna.com/mod/bcs/index.php )

Back to topic...You can see more of Gioia over at the creator's website: www.tonypuryear.com/home.html#bwtop Just scroll about two thirds of the way down the page for more views of Gioia and some other characters he's working on.
In terms of skin/texturing, it doesn't look as if the textures are very realistic. Then again, I think he's going after cartoonish models with exaggerated body features look than he is with realism.

Many thanks for the responses! I now have a much better idea of what the texture is like (Damsel, one of the creators, was extremely helpful too)

Quote - I hate the way Daz has such small promos. You can hardly see the texture. I seldom buy characters from them unless I know the merchant from RR and trust them.

I couldn't agree more! Also, while I understand their reasons for promotional shot restrictions, I really think they should have some sort of mechanism for allowing customers to actually see what they're buying in advance! (possibly a forum that people could specifically register for - or even automated promotional email that people could request for specific products). Whatever, there are certainly many Daz products (and more than a few here) that I might have purchased if the promotional shots were detailed enough and/or the texture fully visible... I strongly suspect that quite a few others have a similar perspective.

Thanks again for the responses everyone!!!

Hi, it's me, Tony Puryear, co-creator of "Gioia for V4." I find all of these comments interesting and informative. I agree there aren't lots of great dark skin textures out there for sale. That was one of the main reasons I, along with noted 3D artist Damsel, started the Beautiful World line.

As an African-American 3D artist, I'm very sensitive to the notion that you can't just take a "white" skin texture and turn the dials down, for reasons described in the posts above. To make the models of the Beautiful World line, we start with the highest-quality human skin photography available, from all the relevant ethnic groups. Then we shade, test, shade, re-test, build and re-build these textures to make what we think are going to be the best ethnic models with the best premium textures around.

And yes, realism, while a virtue in 3D modeling, isn't the only virtue. We also set out to make interesting-looking, frankly beautiful characters, I emphasize characters. We want to make stars. To me there's nothing particularly "realistic" in the extreme looks of a Gong Li, a Naomi Campbell, a Salma Hayek. Not to compare our characters with these beauties, but they are an ideal. I hope you'll visit DAZ 3D and give one of our characters a try. I promise you a beautiful experience.

I agree that DAZ coud do itself and its vendors a service by expanding the size of the promo images. One thing this thread has done is persuade me that we need to do a better job of really showing our beautiful custom skins with the limited real estate DAZ provides. Thanks for the feedback, and keep writing!

Tony Puryear, Beautiful World

Hy Tony,  this is a great character and texture too. Just one comment, youcould create Inj and Rem files for the head and body. This way we can use the body and head with others characteres.

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Quote - Hi, it's me, Tony Puryear, co-creator of "Gioia for V4." I find all of these comments interesting and informative. I agree there aren't lots of great dark skin textures out there for sale. That was one of the main reasons I, along with noted 3D artist Damsel, started the Beautiful World line.

As an African-American 3D artist, I'm very sensitive to the notion that you can't just take a "white" skin texture and turn the dials down, for reasons described in the posts above. To make the models of the Beautiful World line, we start with the highest-quality human skin photography available, from all the relevant ethnic groups. Then we shade, test, shade, re-test, build and re-build these textures to make what we think are going to be the best ethnic models with the best premium textures around.

And yes, realism, while a virtue in 3D modeling, isn't the only virtue. We also set out to make interesting-looking, frankly beautiful characters, I emphasize characters. We want to make stars. To me there's nothing particularly "realistic" in the extreme looks of a Gong Li, a Naomi Campbell, a Salma Hayek. Not to compare our characters with these beauties, but they are an ideal. I hope you'll visit DAZ 3D and give one of our characters a try. I promise you a beautiful experience.

I agree that DAZ coud do itself and its vendors a service by expanding the size of the promo images. One thing this thread has done is persuade me that we need to do a better job of really showing our beautiful custom skins with the limited real estate DAZ provides. Thanks for the feedback, and keep writing!

Tony Puryear, Beautiful World

well when u change them dont do away with the voluptuuos bodies.. i love them like that LOL :)

I just made the mistake of buying this product as I like ethnic characters and I am VERY disappointed. The textures are not realistic and the eyelashes look like globs of paint. I have been a Daz customer for years and have never asked for my money back before, but I just emailed them and requested a refund. The morph is interesting but the texture is awful. Don't waste your money. Argh!

Quote - I just made the mistake of buying this product as I like ethnic characters and I am VERY disappointed. The textures are not realistic and the eyelashes look like globs of paint. I have been a Daz customer for years and have never asked for my money back before, but I just emailed them and requested a refund. The morph is interesting but the texture is awful. Don't waste your money. Argh!

well i looks wonderful in Poser for ME. you shouldnt tell others "dont waste your money" instead of just sayin what parts disappointed you. im sure the makers like feedback but to tell people not to buy because YOU wasnt satisfied defeats the purpose. maybe some of us did get good results with it? the makers most likely will make changes to make sure we ALL like it :)

The point is the merchant says the textures are photorealistic. They are not. Take a look at them close up after a render in firefly. The worst part is the eyelashes. My problem is with the lousy promos at Daz. They do not have closeup of the textures. Daz refunds money for 30 days so people can try it if they want and if they do not like it they can ask for a refund. I am stating my opinion. I seldom say negative things but in this case almost $17.00 is a lot for the low quality. If you own Vanessa from Daz, you will see the difference. I have a render of Vanessa in my gallery and she looks like a photo - the texture is so real. No one has to listen to my opinion they can make up their own minds. I am glad you like her so she was not a waste of money to you or others who like her.

Quote - The point is the merchant says the textures are photorealistic. They are not. Take a look at them close up after a render in firefly. The worst part is the eyelashes. My problem is with the lousy promos at Daz. They do not have closeup of the textures. Daz refunds money for 30 days so people can try it if they want and if they do not like it they can ask for a refund. I am stating my opinion. I seldom say negative things but in this case almost $17.00 is a lot for the low quality. If you own Vanessa from Daz, you will see the difference. I have a render of Vanessa in my gallery and she looks like a photo - the texture is so real. No one has to listen to my opinion they can make up their own minds. I am glad you like her so she was not a waste of money to you or others who like her.

well this is his first venture into the Daz/Poser market if im not mistaken. they usually do Hollywood. im sure the longer they work on them the better they will be in the future for you :)

It could be your render settings. A lot of the times when I see "globs of paint for eyelashes" it is the render settings.

What version of Poser are you using and what are the settings you used for her? I used firefly in poser 7 all the way to final and with use displacement maps and smooth polygons checked.

Here is an example of what I mean on the torso textures. I am comparing a recent charcter by Lululee with Gioia's. I do not mean to offend the merchant, however, it is Daz's fault for such small promos. See attached image for comparison. Also, Daz has to refund the money by removing it from my charge card. They are the broker.

I just want to apologize to the merchant Tony as I was angry at Daz, not him. Buy his character and make your own decisions. Complain to Daz about the tiny promos.

It was discovered that the wrong body texture had been included in the package. The minute we found out about it, we took steps to rectify it. There will be an upgrade to the product for all buyers and they will be notified when it's ready for download. It is a much more realistic texture for the nipples and genitals and we thought it was in the package. We certainly apologize for this mistake. It will be taken care of for all buyers and we appreciate the interest in Gioia!  As for the eyelashes, they rendered fine for me but I will definitely check that out drifterlee and if an upgrade for that is needed it will be fixed. Thanks to all for their input.

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Great to know! Its good when the seller care about your public.

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Texture Filtering often improves the look of eyelashes, it may make some things look absolutely terrible but it is great for getting eyelashes to look the ticket.

 

 

I am sorry I was so bitchy about it. I am on a diet and starving myself and am in a really horrible mood. My poor husband is going nuts. I got a refund from Daz, but if they change the textures, I will probably buy it again as I loved the morph. Like I told Tony, I would me more than happy to test the product as I do it for a lot of merchants here. Usually mistakes are in the code paths and seams.

I hope that they add a morph head as separeted files for the update.

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You can also mix and match textures! So, if you don't like the way they did the eyelashes, it's pretty easy to use the eyelash textures from a character you do like.

I too would like to see more realistic ethnic characters. Middle eastern and latino are especially lacking in the poser market.

drifterlee - please ensure you set the "nudity" flag when uploading images, if appropriate.  I set if for you on your last upload to this thread.  

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Quote - I am sorry I was so bitchy about it. I am on a diet and starving myself

Never diet again! 

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I have attached it as a "text file".  But it's really an .htm file.

Right click the file to save to your desktop and then change the name to "menuplan.htm"

It is actually a Diabetic Diet Plan. I call it a "Reducing Plan" because I use it as a guide for my own eating when I'm trying to lose weight because a diabetic diet is the most healthy and sensible way to eat.

The basic meal plan shown on the far left is 1200 calories. In the hospital most diabetics are on an 1800 calorie diet plan. So what that means is that in addition to the amount of foods from each food groups listed in the "Basic Meal Plan", you add  the following additional food groups to your daily food intake:

• 2 servings protein (List I)
• 5 servings starch (List II)
• 1 serving fruit/vegetable (List IV)
• 1 serving fat (List V)

For a 1500 calorie per day food intake, eat the number of food groups in the "Basic Meal Plan" and add the following additional ones:

• 1 serving protein (List I)
• 2 servings starch (List II)
• 1 serving fruit/vegetable (List IV)

I do not recommend the 1,000 calorie because your body requires a certain amount of fuel to work from and 1,000 calories is often not enough.  I tend to do the 1,200 calorie and depending on my food choices for the day, I find that often there is more food than I can consume and end up having my afternoon snack at bedtime :)

If you scroll down on that page you will see a list of foods for each food group. The nice thing about food groups that so long as you follow the portion size recommended, the fat and calorie intake is almost the same!

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able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Oh SAM, I'm sorry! The boobs! I totally forgot. I wasn't even thinking about it.

Thanks for the diet, Acadia. I noticed a year ago that my hair was falling out - not gobs - but more than normal - and I was gaining weight. I told my doctor who said "excercise more". Well I ride a horse just about every day and my house has a zillion stairs, so I asked if it could be my thyroid. Finally, after a year, I was told I have low thyroid and they put me on medication. Well, I am always in a hurry  so I have been starving myself. I will try your diet. Thanks

I don't see globby eye-lashes. Actually, I am impressed with her face texture. I haven't tried any of the makeups, but she looks very nice on a random character from early V4 days (Dulce). I think this is a very nice look for an accidental mix:P

I think my only complaint with the face texture is some blurring around the eyebrows and the too strong lip line. But, I would say it's much better than some of the comments from earlier.

The morph is nice for a very curvy figure. She's actually not as idealistic as I had expected.

The face morph is what gives her a bit of a toony look- and that is due to some weird places in the geometry (the lips are sunken in a bit, which looks unnatural, and something else I've forgotten about.) It's not a bad thing, unless you are trying to achieve photo realism- which I think most folks aren't shooting for.

So...just to temper the thread, this is definitely not a bad character set. She definitely is different from most other characters- and the texture is better than many others I've gotten from here and other places (including daz)- though, there are a few imperfections, which means it's not quite as good as my favorites. The nipples don't look bad on smaller breasts, if you use the nipple morphs, btw. I guess if you zoomed up on them, they might look odd, but I'm not sure that is an important quality to me.

There will be a new download soon for buyers with realistic nipples and genitals and also a "simple" lash option if you want to use it. :-) Thanks for all of the input everyone!! Really nice render mamba-negra!  :-) And drifterlee, thanks for your input also, it all helps to achieve what we all want. :-)**
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The new textures are fantastic! I did find an odd problem - might be V4's fault when posing her. Very odd. Why does this happen to he foot? See attached image.

There's a huge hole in it. I've never seen this before.

Got my first render up with her in her updated textures. You can view it here:
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1598823

Called "Calendar Girl". Thanks, Tony!

Check to see if you have IK (Inverse Kinsomethingoranother) turned on. Figure->Use Inverse Kinemetics->Right Leg (and left leg too)

If not, look at the way the left foot is turned. Did the pose twist it more than a few degrees?

New textures?? Where?

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Quote - I too would like to see more realistic ethnic characters. Middle eastern and latino are especially lacking in the poser market.

 

Even more lacking are Native American, and Indian.

Quote - New textures?? Where?

Apparently the new updated textures will be available in an updated download at Daz.  I think drifterlee might have been sent the textures in advance because of the issues she had with them. By the sounds of it she got a refund from Daz, but was gifted with the updated package by the merchant.

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able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Ahhh ! Ok waiting  for the update!

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The hole in the foot is not Gioia's problem - it's a V4 pose problem. I'll turn off the IK. Thanks

WOW nice renders! i loove this girl so realistic. hopefully the other models will follow soon?

That render is terrific. What a nice, shy, retiring girl that Gioia is. Hope she can get out more, shake off her, y'know, inhibitions...

Beautiful,
T.

She certainly got out more in my image:

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1597293

She really has a very sexy figure. Due to the fairly extreme lighting on this image it's not obvious how real the skin looks, I'll be doing more with her anyway.

Nice one Tony!

Quote - That render is terrific. What a nice, shy, retiring girl that Gioia is. Hope she can get out more, shake off her, y'know, inhibitions...

Beautiful,
T.

wow!!

Looks like that "talk" we had with her didn't do any good. She's out getting into trouble again. :-)
Beautiful render gibby-g!

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PLEASE MORE MODELS! :)

More new models are coming soon from Beautiful World. Here's a sneak preview: T.

Hey Tony, when the update Gioia will be out?

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Hey you two, if you are still reading this thread, I would like to second the idea of spitting their head and bodies into two different injection files. I like to mix and match my characters, and this makes it easier to avoid coming up with frankensteins:P

YesI hope that Tony do this for the Gioia update.

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Hi GK,
GOOD NEWS -
The people at DAZ let me know that the update will be available by the end of business today, Wednesday, Jan 23. Sorry for the delay, they had a slight bureaucratic mix-up. **
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As I understand it, everyone who bought the Gioia model should find a new available download in their DAZ account tonight.

**To everyone who purchased Gioia, Damsel and I say thank you for your enthusiastic support and your patience in waiting for this update, which upgrades a texture issue several of you have pointed out. The fans have spoken, and you've made Gioia a top seller, but you've also helped make her even better, and we're grateful.
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Be sure to look for "Nhu," the new model from Beautiful World, coming soon exclusively from DAZ 3D.

Thanks again,
T.

Thanks Tony, those are great news!

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Quote - More new models are coming soon from Beautiful World. Here's a sneak preview:
T.

OH MY..I LOVE YOUR MODELS :)

Thanks Tony, she's a gorgeous model, who needs size zero?

CLOTHES CLOTHES CLOTHES! i cant find clothes to fit. what outfits can she wear or what morph clothes could i use?? where can i get that outfits that are in the pics? i cant find anything to fit her :(

Tony i receieved a e-mail from Daz that your update was online! Thanks!

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re the clothes:

For Gioia's promos, and also those of the upcoming "Nhu for V4 by Beautiful World," I used the Topmodel Bikini by Bice, available here on Renderosity.

For the render of "Ynes for V4 by Third Degree" in the images above" I simply used the V4 Bodysuit, which has tons of morphs to hug even the most radical curves.

I have also found, and I've said this before, that the morphing clothing and lingerie by Hongyu can really be shaped for the curvier figures of the beautiful world models.

Hongyu has also told me that starting now, all his new clothing will have special morphs for the Beautiful World line. We are big fans of his, and are so honored he's taken a liking to our models.

Best of luck,
T.

This is great, and we can add to this list the magnetics for Vic4 that an be adjusted to fit your models.

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thanks for the quick response :)

Why does she need clothes, LOL!

HEE HEE HEE

changed her looks. click on for bigger :)

sure is quietly lately in here :)

Sorry hindudreams, we've been busy getting the new character in the Beautiful World line ready to go out. ;-) Great render there with Gioia!! Really a unique look and I like it...the hair too. Thanks for showing us!

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Quote - Sorry hindudreams, we've been busy getting the new character in the Beautiful World line ready to go out. ;-) Great render there with Gioia!! Really a unique look and I like it...the hair too. Thanks for showing us!

which new character?? pullin money out LOL :)

She's out now and on sale at Daz. A Vietnamese gal.

**Yes, it's true, Nhu for V4 is on sale now at DAZ 3D!
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Yes it's true, she's Vietnamese, and she's fun and sweet and sexy as the scent of green papaya! 她很性感！

*Introducing Nhu, a new, premium photo-realistic character from Beautiful World. She’s a flirtatious young free spirit from Saigon. Okay, “Ho Chi Minh City,” sorry, Uncle Ho, but whatever you call it, it’s one of the world’s most rocking cities, and Nhu intends to rock it for all it’s worth.

A mixed-race beauty, Nhu sets a new standard in sensuous Poser modeling, an exotic new benchmark in personality and a seductive new level of fun. Welcome to a real world of ethnic beauty for V4!

Custom shaped by Hollywood writer/artist Tony Puryear (Eraser) and acclaimed 3D modeler Damsel, Nhu’s slender but curvy figure uses V4’s body morphs, so the new generation of morphing clothing will hug every sexy curve. Her photo-real skin texture comes with a custom shader option to bring her to vivid life down to the last freckle.

Load her in your runtime and Get Sexy! Get Nhu!

She looks great, Tony! I have her in my cart and am waiting for my Platinum discount to kick in feb 2 to get her!

Thanks, we're very proud of her, and we keep learning with these models.

Enjoy!
T.

It's nice to see something different!!

so any new news ? :)

Gioia did some changes to her features what cha think? :)

her body

Gorgeous black woman!

Very nice job!! :-)

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Quote - Very nice job!! :-)

i edited Gioia to diffrent :)

I see that, nice change. She looks good that way also. :-)

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Quote - I see that, nice change. She looks good that way also. :-)

THANK YOU :)