erosiaart opened this issue on Feb 24, 2008 · 106 posts
erosiaart posted Sun, 24 February 2008 at 7:49 AM
erosiaart posted Sun, 24 February 2008 at 7:49 AM
erosiaart posted Sun, 24 February 2008 at 7:50 AM
erosiaart posted Sun, 24 February 2008 at 7:51 AM
Attached Link: http://www.sophiaportal.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=63&pid=147&mode=threaded&show=&st=0
oh..here is the link....:-)
TheBryster posted Sun, 24 February 2008 at 8:13 AM
Rosie: there are a series of MATS that simulate x-ray photographs on whatever they are applied to. I can e-mail them if you'd like, but you might find them in free stuff. I think they'd do your job.
They come in several different colours.
Create flower.
Turn out the lights
Apply x-ray mats to flower.
Render.
Old-timers might want to come in here................
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erosiaart posted Sun, 24 February 2008 at 8:21 AM
i'll look for them.. just incase i don't find them.can you pweety please email them to me?
erosiaart posted Sun, 24 February 2008 at 8:21 AM
btw.. um..er..i thought it was photography..but if i can do this in bryce....HOOORAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TheBryster posted Sun, 24 February 2008 at 8:35 AM
Rosie: You will need to look in the freebies for these, although I have mailed them to you.
There are some instructions somewhere on how to use them correctly.
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erosiaart posted Sun, 24 February 2008 at 8:37 AM
ok..wil do..got it... bless ya..and thanks a ton...
will look for the freebie..i did go thru the freebies but wasn't so sure what to look for ...
cheers..and bless ya
TheBryster posted Sun, 24 February 2008 at 8:41 AM
You're very welcome, Rosie, and you didn't have to offer me that oily massage, although it was tempting.
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And in my final hours - I would cling rather to the tattooed hand of kindness - than the unblemished hand of hate...
erosiaart posted Sun, 24 February 2008 at 8:44 AM
shshshsh!! That was a secret between both of us! :lol:
TheBryster posted Sun, 24 February 2008 at 10:33 AM
SOME TIPS FOR SUCCESFUL XRAYS
in 'render options', set 'maximum ray-depth' higher if your objects render incorrectly, with artifacts or render black in places.
A setting of 6-7 is what I use, and does not affect render times too significantly, not on my machine anyhow, other may find otherwise.
always reset camera settings (directors view, untested in camera view) to thier default settings.
rotate/scale/move your subject matter/model to achieve your camera angle, NOT your view/camera controls.
when useing imported meshes in boolean groups don't forget to tick the 'solid when boolean rendering'
control in the 'edit mesh' menu.
try various levels of material transperancy as the internal layers of objects get deeper, ie:
85/75% for your outer skin/shell, (usually 75% transperancy) then decrease transperancy as you get
deeper, in increaments of 5 or 10, eg: 75%, 65%, 55% transperancy and so on.
OR: do the same, in reverse, increaseing transperancy as you go deeper.
you may also wish to highlight core internal objects or items of intrest by decreaseing/increasing their transperancy, and/or increasing/decreasing their specularity level.
setting boolean groups to 'positive' in their attributes editor makes them into one complete 'shell'
when rendered with transperant materials, in any version of Bryce.
paying attention to the real-world structural nature of things when composeing your xray subjects
always makes for more convincing output (duh!;))
adjusing the transperancy of your subject/subjects according to their possible real world densities,
(eg: lead is very dense, hence its use in xray technician's protective aprons) could add greatly to the realism of your output.
if used, try to keep any bump hieght of your materials very low, I have noticed that surface texture in real-world xrays is generally not very apparent, unless it is a very dramatic surface feature.
subtle transperancy and specularity percentage tweaking of your various layers/objects is the main key to
successful xray images.
after inverting your image in the image editor of your choice it can sometimes help to tweak brightness/
contrast/intensity, colour levels ect, but this also can be achieved all within Bryce, with material settings tweaks. (apart from the image-inversion of course)
...GOOD LUCK AND ENJOY!...
...EXPERIMENTATION IS THE KEY TO INNOVATION....
....REGARDS, ADAMITE 2003...
and I'm sure you can see the similarity to the flowers.
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erosiaart posted Sun, 24 February 2008 at 10:42 AM
erosiaart posted Sun, 24 February 2008 at 10:44 AM
where am i going wrong? this is one of britt's flowers btw..
i think i haev to tweak the contrast up high here..use photoshop as my image ed..
this is just to experiment till i figure it out..
btw..me heading off to bed.. so u may not get an answer frm me for a few hours...
erosiaart posted Sun, 24 February 2008 at 10:50 AM
erosiaart posted Sun, 24 February 2008 at 10:51 AM
btw..transperency on the mat is around 33..i upped it to about 70 something like he said.
so what am i doing wrong here??
TheBryster posted Sun, 24 February 2008 at 1:30 PM
Rosie: I've no idea what you are doing and I haven't played with this myself. I have got an idea that's been on the back-burner for years now. That was to put a metal/machanical skelton inside a big cat/tiger and use the x-ray mats to illustrate it.
I'd concentrate on getting this right in Bryce rather than messing about in ps to begin with......;-(
Sorry I can't be more help.
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ThunderStone posted Sun, 24 February 2008 at 3:53 PM
Now you got me intrigued! What is the name of this marvelous little mat? I want to play around with it too!!!
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TheBryster posted Sun, 24 February 2008 at 5:05 PM
TS: sitemail me with your e-mail addy.
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All the Woes of a World by Jonathan Icknield aka The Bryster
And in my final hours - I would cling rather to the tattooed hand of kindness - than the unblemished hand of hate...
ThunderStone posted Sun, 24 February 2008 at 5:21 PM
TheBryster, check your sitemail box.
TS
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TheBryster posted Sun, 24 February 2008 at 5:58 PM
BTW, that file should contain several mats of different colours. Let me know if you get only one colour.
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erosiaart posted Sun, 24 February 2008 at 7:14 PM
Attached Link: http://backroom.renderosity.com/~bryce/newsite/challenge/shared%20pages/textures_mats_01.htm
found the originals on his site... thebryster..any luck??
ThunderStone posted Sun, 24 February 2008 at 8:12 PM
Got only 1 but with erosiaart's link I picked up the zipped pak with the set. Thanks!
TS
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erosiaart posted Sun, 24 February 2008 at 8:32 PM
thunderstone.. thebryster's 1 has 5 mats combined when you import it in..
cheers
let me know how you fare with it and where i haev been going wrong and how it works out!
ThunderStone posted Sun, 24 February 2008 at 9:19 PM
Quote - thunderstone.. thebryster's 1 has 5 mats combined when you import it in..
cheers
let me know how you fare with it and where i haev been going wrong and how it works out!
Oh okay, I got it now... Have the set installed but haven't played around with it yet... close to beddy bye bye time... need to get some sleep. :b_sleeping: Will play with it tomorrow.
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ThunderStone posted Mon, 25 February 2008 at 10:39 AM
Ok, I played with it... Don't really like it... Ok, here's the gist of it.... 
It turns the object mat transparent, but as far as the color goes, eh? In your favorite image editor you will have to invert and do some colorization. I really don't like it... (I mentioned that before, didn't I?)
Maybe I am not doing it right... What I need is some flowers to fool around with... I tried doing it with the old standby... hand with bones from poser...
:cursing: Whatever you do, don't use those blocky #@$$%^&!!!! bones from skeleton man or woman... They're the most UGH!!!!! !@#$%^&*&^%%$$@@@!!!! piece of garbage I have ever had the misfortune of using in Poser for bones in hand !:cursing:
Square fingertips???? UGH!!!! Shudder
:unsure: Have you thought about asking the artist, the secret to the laser flower??? Then maybe you can create in Bryce using some kind of work around.
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erosiaart posted Mon, 25 February 2008 at 10:45 AM
i can't seem to find who the artist is..googled it out..
and as for the mats.. i don't thing the creator of the mat is around..his last image was up in 2002.
try searching for flowers in the freebie.. use britt mccary's flowers...
lol..the skeletons are weird..and transparent skeletons?? haha
ThunderStone posted Mon, 25 February 2008 at 11:12 AM
Quote - try searching for flowers in the freebie.. use britt mccary's flowers...
What is britt's user name here? I search in the freebie section here for flowers and came up with at least 33 different types of "FLOWERS" like flower pots, flower texture, etc... (I am surprised that it didn't bring up flower power in the search parameters. That would have blown my mind right there!)
What about the forum where you originally got the flowers from? Have you look for the poster there?
I will try again with google... Maybe I'll hit pay dirt there. 
(tried google... no flowers but there's britt!...)
About the artist: Have you tried the administrator's mail box over at that forum? Seems like the artist is the site administrator. I can't make heads or tails out of the language, but maybe you can just drop a note or 2 into her mailbox.
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TheBryster posted Mon, 25 February 2008 at 5:56 PM
Available on Amazon for the Kindle E-Reader
All the Woes of a World by Jonathan Icknield aka The Bryster
And in my final hours - I would cling rather to the tattooed hand of kindness - than the unblemished hand of hate...
TheBryster posted Mon, 25 February 2008 at 5:56 PM
Available on Amazon for the Kindle E-Reader
All the Woes of a World by Jonathan Icknield aka The Bryster
And in my final hours - I would cling rather to the tattooed hand of kindness - than the unblemished hand of hate...
erosiaart posted Mon, 25 February 2008 at 10:53 PM
thebryster!!!!!!!!!!!! how did you do it?? and the flowers?? oh please, oh pretty please!! britts flowers are in sets of three meshes..so you really cant break up leaves etc individually...
thunderstone.... britt mccary .. iui used her psoer flowers and inported them as objs.
ThunderStone posted Mon, 25 February 2008 at 11:11 PM
What is britt's user name here? I typed in britt mccary and there's no such user here by that name so what user name did she go by while here. I search all and got flower pot, flower texture, and some nonsense that is not really helpful. Google wasn't much help either...
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erosiaart posted Mon, 25 February 2008 at 11:53 PM
brittmccary
search under flower
erosiaart posted Tue, 26 February 2008 at 1:48 AM
TheBryster posted Tue, 26 February 2008 at 5:10 AM
Rosie: It that one yours? I think you've figured it out.
The flowers/plants I used are pretty simpl. You can have them if you want
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erosiaart posted Tue, 26 February 2008 at 5:33 AM
yup thebryster.. did that one.. i think the trick of it is to get flowers that are spidery and like you say..with a lot of details.
email me those flowers, pretty please!
i quite liked doing this...
cheers - rosie
thunderstone..any luck?
ThunderStone posted Tue, 26 February 2008 at 5:45 AM
Yeah... I got the flowers... Gonna play with them this afternoon (over here, it's 6:43 AM and I haven't have my morning fix of java yet!) Got to get ready to leave at 8... TTYL
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Angelouscuitry posted Tue, 26 February 2008 at 3:23 PM
Wow, and X-Ray Material!
I just searched the Bryce freestuff for X-Ray, Xray, Ray, X, and then I left the search criteriablenk, but I never got any results. Is the search working? Anyone know who uploaded the X-Ray materials?
erosiaart posted Tue, 26 February 2008 at 7:34 PM
check page one on this post.. you'll find the link...
ThunderStone posted Tue, 26 February 2008 at 7:38 PM
Erosiaart, how is it going? Getting any success??? I haven't been able to play with it like I wanted. I downloaded the flowers (Hurrah!!!) and am trying to get it to work right... Somehow I end up with b&w flowers... not exactly x-rays...
Will try again tomorroe.
TS
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Angelouscuitry posted Tue, 26 February 2008 at 7:55 PM
erosiaart posted Tue, 26 February 2008 at 9:03 PM
thunderstone..did the one on this page..that pink flower... sorta getting here..
the original pix are a bit more brighter and detailed...
still working on it..
see what you can come up with. the more meshes you have to work with the better..sicne you can go into detail.. ie.. texture each one separately and reduce/increase the transperency and change the color..
did you download the originals..since there is also the given sky you need to use..
Angelouscuitry - are you getting involved in this too?
Angelouscuitry posted Tue, 26 February 2008 at 9:18 PM
erosiaart posted Tue, 26 February 2008 at 9:28 PM
all sorts..any... anything where I can use that mat and play around with it..
ThunderStone posted Tue, 26 February 2008 at 9:35 PM
Quote - thunderstone..did the one on this page..that pink flower... sorta getting here..
the original pix are a bit more brighter and detailed...
still working on it..
see what you can come up with. the more meshes you have to work with the better..sicne you can go into detail.. ie.. texture each one separately and reduce/increase the transperency and change the color..
did you download the originals..since there is also the given sky you need to use..
Yeah I d/l the originals... Play around with them and them bones! Remember? Cursing poser skeleton/?? D/L the flowers. Well some of them. Haven't had a chance to really put them to use at the moment. Was trying to finish up a personal project of mine... Sky fx... did that now have a blank slate with which to work with. Hmmm... you gave me an idea with the above. Going to bed now. Will work on them some what in the morn before work.
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ThunderStone posted Wed, 27 February 2008 at 7:16 AM
Here is the poinsetta I used from a previous render in all its x-ray glory. I only did the leaves and the stem and the berries. Left the pot alone ...
Took me a while to figure out the color inversions... But once I got that, the rest was easy. Also using the object mask created by Bryce helps with selections within Photoshop as it is solid b&w.
It's just a matter of duplicating the layer to the appropriate file(s) and manipulating it as a selection item with the magic wand. I also used within Photoshop, the hue and saturation adjustment to adjust the lightness and darkness of the item I wanted adjusted.
Interesting... Now I'm off to work... will stop in later...
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erosiaart posted Wed, 27 February 2008 at 7:33 AM
thunderstone..start from scratch..when u get back...
i do like it...xept i thinkt he xray bit should be a bit more transparent..
how did you use the mask..etc??
happy day at work!
ThunderStone posted Wed, 27 February 2008 at 9:41 AM
On break... (at home now... doing telecommute is fun.... )
Color inversions:
All shades of the following colors when inverted will be within the same color inversion series:
When you use the x-ray mat, you need to remember the inversion factor (as I called it).
As for the mask... When you finish rendering the finished product to disk, go back and select the different objects and re-render it with the object mask and save to disk. Make sure the view has not been changed or the objects moved. I always used PSD format for the layer. Then in photoshop, open up both the rendered and the mask psd. Duplicate the layer in the mask psd over to the rendered psd file. The object mask will serve as a selection aid. Set the magic wand sensitivity to 2 and you can either one of the 2 things, you can select either the white or the black. This is how I used the object mask within Photoshop. I used the mask to isolate the objects to do a little photoshop magic.
As for the transparency... I guess I could bump up the transparency within the mat up to about 85 and re-render and use a lighter shade of cyan but you got to remember real world density of matter in order to make it more real? in the laser fashion. (For me that is)...
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ThunderStone posted Wed, 27 February 2008 at 1:15 PM
Either that or use a different flower with thicker stems.
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FranOnTheEdge posted Wed, 27 February 2008 at 6:56 PM
I've had a try with some Agapanthus, sort of works... a bit. But I don't have any more complex flowers than that one.
Pity we can't get hold of flowers like in the original link.
Measure
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by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)
FranOnTheEdge posted Wed, 27 February 2008 at 7:08 PM
Measure
your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)
erosiaart posted Wed, 27 February 2008 at 11:14 PM
Thunderstone..the leaves look cool.. much beter than the first one you did...though i see you left the flowers and the stems as it is.
like fran..i am confused about the inversions.. huh?
i think i can tru witht eh mask and see.though i sued the color picker to pickup the white background..result..it was a bit rough ont he edges.. tolerance kept at 0. I guess I willhave to pump up the colors for it to show..
will you please explain about how you did the color inversions?
fran..the 2nd one looks good.. like you say..sad we can't get flowers like the originals on page one. did you have to saturate the colors more in photoshop? i seem to be getting very fade colors in bryce..even though i increased the transparency to neary 80..
ThunderStone posted Thu, 28 February 2008 at 4:39 AM
The rough edge is caused by there being some black outline of AA... There's no way to get around that except by using Fine Art setting on rendering. Transparency doesn't work nearly as well as using a lighter shade of magenta, I found out
I posted the pix of the original render and you can see how it first came out.
The flowers are in the shade of grays and the stems and leaves are in shade of magenta.
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erosiaart posted Thu, 28 February 2008 at 8:09 AM
thunderstone..got it..will try it again in a few hours.. have guests for dinner..
ThunderStone posted Thu, 28 February 2008 at 9:11 AM
Quote - thunderstone..got it..will try it again in a few hours.. have guests for dinner..
Ok... Enjoy dinner!
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FranOnTheEdge posted Thu, 28 February 2008 at 9:21 AM
I don't understand.
Why do you need to change colours in PhotoShop, why not just change the colours in Bryce?
erosiaart,
I didn't do anything in PhotoShop, just Bryce. :b_confused:
Oh, I forgot, you don't have B6 Rosie do you?
That'll be why you're having problems with the colours, B5 and B5.5 don't play as nicely as B6 - I'll have to try it out with B5.5 as well...
Measure
your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)
FranOnTheEdge posted Thu, 28 February 2008 at 9:48 AM
The stamens - or stamen's stalks, are just a tiny bit clearer, smoother - in the one with the XRay Sky.
Otherwise they both look pretty much like the B6 one...
Measure
your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)
FranOnTheEdge posted Sat, 01 March 2008 at 1:11 PM
I did a bit of smoothing in Wings with the model first since originally it rendered a bit blockily.
This is the result:^^^
Measure
your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)
FranOnTheEdge posted Sat, 01 March 2008 at 1:17 PM
Measure
your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)
SndCastie posted Sat, 01 March 2008 at 1:19 PM
Yea played with it in bryce with the flowers that come with bryce and it didn't do good with them. I love those feathering looking ones Chris :O)
Sandy
An imagination can create wonderful things
SndCastie's Little
Haven
FranOnTheEdge posted Sat, 01 March 2008 at 1:19 PM
Hey, I'm enjoying this.
What do we do next Rosie?
Measure
your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)
SndCastie posted Sat, 01 March 2008 at 3:00 PM
Ohh those are so pretty Fan
Sandy
An imagination can create wonderful things
SndCastie's Little
Haven
erosiaart posted Sun, 02 March 2008 at 9:08 AM
more flowers, fran. I'm still trying to get it. how the hell did you get the blue?? i can't do that!! not happening..
btw.. sndcastie..think the less solid your petals..the more gorgeous the effect.
fran.. how did you get the blue?? i'm jealous. li'l change the camera angle..see how it works...
did you use the same xray sky that was given in the original mat file?
FranOnTheEdge posted Sun, 02 March 2008 at 1:20 PM
See the image:
If this is not working for you, perhaps it's some other setting that I've changed?
I put a black simple material on the ground plane and turned all 3 of the sky settings in the first box to black, that's the Sun Glow Colour, the Sky Colour and the Horizon Colour.
That might be it.
Measure
your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)
ThunderStone posted Sun, 02 March 2008 at 3:28 PM
Well now that's how to do it!... :lol: No more color inversion in Photoshop... Just simply do everything in Bryce! I am going to try that...
TS
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FranOnTheEdge posted Sun, 02 March 2008 at 7:40 PM
I'm sorry, I should have said more about how I was doing it to begin with. I dunno why I did the dark Sun Glow Colour, Sky Colour and the Horizon Colour - probably because that's where you turn off the atmosphere when you want everything dark and just the lights you're using to show up...
and I guess it just seemed like a good idea at the time. :m_thoughtful: 
--
Measure
your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)
skiwillgee posted Sun, 02 March 2008 at 8:59 PM
And why aren't any of you posting these better ones in the gallery?
Y'all got a lot of 'wow' factor going one here.
ThunderStone posted Mon, 03 March 2008 at 6:25 AM
**skiwillgee:
** We are the "Not Quite Ready for Portfolio" Gang... That's why! :b_funny:
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TheBryster posted Mon, 03 March 2008 at 7:53 AM
Skiwillgee: Great idea. Never even crossed my mind to post them. This just started out as Rosie's "How on earth do you do this?" thread and ran way outa control. LOL
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ThunderStone posted Mon, 03 March 2008 at 11:11 AM
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Smiles are contagious... Pass it on!
Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday
TheBryster posted Mon, 03 March 2008 at 11:27 AM
I'm wondering if this inversion thing is more to do with creating your Bryce scene normally, rendering in normal light and then creating a negative image in say PS or PSP.
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ThunderStone posted Mon, 03 March 2008 at 11:48 AM
Exactly!!! but you will have to know which colors are the negative.... in Bryce...
We all know... white is the opposite of Black. So that's that.... Take a look at the lily of the valley picture that I did early last week. The black one is the negative of the one that I did in Bryce.
This is what I have been trying to get across to both Fran and erosiaart:
- after inverting your image in the image editor of your choice it can sometimes help to tweak brightness/
contrast/intensity, colour levels ect, but this also can be achieved all within Bryce, with material settings tweaks. (apart from the image-inversion of course)
hence my little tips about the color inversion.
Fran's way is great but it is not what they talked about in the ReadMe text file that came with x-ray mat.
TS
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Renderer: Superfly, Firefly
9/11/2001: Never forget...
Smiles are contagious... Pass it on!
Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday
ThunderStone posted Mon, 03 March 2008 at 11:51 AM
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Poser: Poser 11.3 ...... Units: inches or meters depends on mood
Bryce: Bryce Pro 7.1.074
Image Editing: Corel Paintshop Pro
Renderer: Superfly, Firefly
9/11/2001: Never forget...
Smiles are contagious... Pass it on!
Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday
skiwillgee posted Mon, 03 March 2008 at 9:15 PM
erosiaart posted Tue, 04 March 2008 at 2:08 AM
skiwillgee!! hahaha..
i did do it thru the diffuse thing.. but used the sky preset thatw as there for the xray mats...
but yup..i've realized too if you do change the angle of the camera..the blue is blue. my green becomes less transperent though and then becomes green to yellow to white to nothing...leme see if i saved what i did or dumped it in disgust...
or I'll do a quick one and post it up
erosiaart posted Tue, 04 March 2008 at 2:20 AM
erosiaart posted Tue, 04 March 2008 at 2:22 AM
thunderstone.. he did say to use the given sky preset and invert white bit into black...i think he did the same thing as fran.. xept using a white background and then paint it back into black..
ThunderStone posted Tue, 04 March 2008 at 5:43 AM
It's all so confusing!!!! I'm going to stop now while I am not so frustrated that I want to chuck everything out the window and stop rendering!!!!
I'll try again when the dust settled down and my poor brain can handle being manhandled by Bryce!
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Bryce: Bryce Pro 7.1.074
Image Editing: Corel Paintshop Pro
Renderer: Superfly, Firefly
9/11/2001: Never forget...
Smiles are contagious... Pass it on!
Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday
erosiaart posted Tue, 04 March 2008 at 5:55 AM
thunderstone...we do not give up here!. :biggrin:
i have just 6 days to figure this out.. .. and i am doing this inbetween packing and trying to figure out what I need to get done! i leave for Hong Kong and China for a month or two next week monday....so I have no idea when me gonna be able to attack this.. :rolleyes: will be going thru bryce withdrawal symptoms out there!
cheers... and happy chucking out bryce! (dare you to..you won't...you'll just die with withdrawal symptoms.. :lol: )
btw..what I don't like is the leaves..... it worked beautifully on your 7th try.. but on mines..if I use Fran's method..it is solid... even if i upped the transparency to about 80..and that is a helluva lot.
fran..try it with leaves....
any idea if adamite around? the creator of the xray mats.. i can't find him around. maybe we can get himto tell us what is happening here...
ThunderStone posted Tue, 04 March 2008 at 6:53 AM
I don't think Adamite is still around on RR... The mats were created like 5 years ago... He/She could have just vanished off the face of the earth, or just be abducted by aliens... Whatever...
I think the whole thing is to just do it in bryce and invert the colors in an image editor like the creator stated in the backroom forum. *
*IMPORTANT - Basic set-up is to apply any of the colored materials to a mesh, render with a WHITE background and the supplied sky preset, then later invert the colors of the pic to simulate the example given in the picture above. Tips and information in the .zip file. *
Where you're going to be, you'll still have access to the internet, so take your laptop with you and keep on rendering. I won't stop rendering if you keep trying. In the mean time, I came across a situation that I would like to render... It's a real cute one too!!!
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Image Editing: Corel Paintshop Pro
Renderer: Superfly, Firefly
9/11/2001: Never forget...
Smiles are contagious... Pass it on!
Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday
FranOnTheEdge posted Tue, 04 March 2008 at 4:24 PM
I still don't really understand why we can't use Bryce settings to achieve effects, why go the long way around and use Photoshop, when it's much quicker and easier in Bryce?
Anyway the original instructions are for x-rays, which are usually grey... aren't they?
And we are trying for Laser Flowers... Which I think is more fun after all.
I can only find one small mention of inverting in PhotoShop (or other image editor) anyway.
Unfortunately I can't do any more playing right now cos I'm stuck waiting for a marble render to finish.... sigh.
Sorry - testing!
Lol!
Measure
your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)
FranOnTheEdge posted Tue, 04 March 2008 at 4:26 PM
Quote - here goes..
used one of the bryce flowers in 5.5 . and used your sky setting instead of the sky setting he gave..
and i upped the camera angle...
Hey Rosie, that's really lovely. What's the problem with it?
Measure
your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)
TheBryster posted Tue, 04 March 2008 at 5:14 PM
At the end of the day, whatever gets the job done is all that matters. We're trying to achieve an effect here. Go back and look at the demo pic of the 'missile' - that's the effect we want. And surprise surprise that's the effect you guys are getting! ;-)
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And in my final hours - I would cling rather to the tattooed hand of kindness - than the unblemished hand of hate...
ThunderStone posted Tue, 04 March 2008 at 5:37 PM
No matter which way we do it, huh?
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9/11/2001: Never forget...
Smiles are contagious... Pass it on!
Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday
FranOnTheEdge posted Tue, 04 March 2008 at 6:15 PM
Attached Link: Laser Extension - Bubble Universe
Well I was quite pleased with it, whether it was right or not.Even extended the idea to something a bit different... (see link)
Measure
your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)
erosiaart posted Tue, 04 March 2008 at 7:37 PM
i'm nto happy because the green..ie..the leaves arn't getting that xray effect...
erosiaart posted Tue, 04 March 2008 at 7:39 PM
thunderstone..lol.. the bedroom me will be sleeping in has the computer..so will dwnload bryce and render at nite!
btw..what cute thing you rendering?
ThunderStone posted Tue, 04 March 2008 at 9:14 PM
Quote - thunderstone..lol..
btw..what cute thing you rendering?
You will just have to wait til I put it up in my gallery. At this moment, I am merely gathering the ingredients for it. Already got the scene set up... Just need to put the piece together and do the lighting and it will be ready for the gallery...
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Bryce: Bryce Pro 7.1.074
Image Editing: Corel Paintshop Pro
Renderer: Superfly, Firefly
9/11/2001: Never forget...
Smiles are contagious... Pass it on!
Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday
erosiaart posted Tue, 04 March 2008 at 10:33 PM
meano... thunderstone...
i pace the floor...
FranOnTheEdge posted Wed, 05 March 2008 at 3:42 PM
I think you just need lots of layers of leaf for the x-ray transparency to show up, otherwise I think the x-ray green is working, it's just not showing up much...
If your green is going to yellow and white with the camera angle change, either that's unavoidable or else maybe start off with a deeper green and pick the green from the bluer end of the greens not the yellower side.
That might help.
Measure
your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)
FranOnTheEdge posted Wed, 05 March 2008 at 5:15 PM
Attached Link: The Night Garden
> Quote - And why aren't any of you posting these better ones in the gallery? > Y'all got a lot of 'wow' factor going one here.Well I've posted an image in the gallery, but I dunno about "Wow Factor", I think you need an awful lot of friends for that sort of thing, and it would probably need to be a NVIATWAF.
But I haven't posted much for quite some time, except "Bubble Universe", and that was because of this thread too, so it's about time I put something up.
Measure
your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)
Analog-X64 posted Sat, 22 March 2008 at 9:34 PM
Anyone have a Link to these Mats in the Free Stuff?? I've tried searching using Adamite or the keywords X-Ray but cant find a thing.
erosiaart posted Sun, 23 March 2008 at 2:05 AM
analogx ..look into the first page on this post..you'll see the link...
cheers
Analog-X64 posted Sun, 23 March 2008 at 9:13 AM
Quote - analogx ..look into the first page on this post..you'll see the link...
cheers
Thank you... I had to look at the page a bit more carefully... the link color was the same as the text color which is why I missed it the first 2 times around. :)
I've got an idea... I will post the results in due time.
FranOnTheEdge posted Sun, 23 March 2008 at 10:30 AM
Oooh, what'r you gonna do?
Measure
your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)
Analog-X64 posted Sun, 23 March 2008 at 1:18 PM
Trying to create the effect of those Deep Sea creatures that you see.. on National Geographic.
The idea is to create a creature with translucent skin and you can see its internal organs.
I used the Color inverted method.
erosiaart posted Sun, 23 March 2008 at 8:07 PM
"I used the Color inverted method."
thru photoshop??
FranOnTheEdge posted Sun, 23 March 2008 at 8:56 PM
Cooo, I like that - I do hope you'll explain how you did that?
Hey, now you mention it, I've got some jellyfish models (extremely basic though) I made a while back... I wonder....
Measure
your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)
Analog-X64 posted Mon, 24 March 2008 at 5:22 AM
Initialy I did some tests with Meta Balls with various colors and also some Spheres and the results were very dissapointing even bringing the image into photoshop to brighten didnt look good. Especialy the spheres... I found no matter what color I picked I would get orange rings inside the sphere.. something I havent figured out yet. I tried editing the sky preset so that I didnt have to bring it into photoshop for post work and that didnt yield good results either.
Skipping forward after a bunch of tests and such here is how I did the final image you see.
Using Bryce v6.1 I used a couple of objects included with Bryce.
Under Objects > Misc > I used "Sweeping Spiral" and than I placed "Twisted Spiral" inside that.
Since I was going to use the Photoshop Invert method.. I used the inverted color chart posted in this thread as a guide line.
4. I used the Default X-Ray preset to create the final colors I was aiming for.
5. The instructions confused me about using Camera Controls vs moving the object placement. Regardless I used the Dolly Tools to move the view to where I wanted and paid close attention to the NANO Preview window as the position of my Object did make a big
difference in the end result. I did a few large renders till I was happy with what I got.
6. As per text file, I increased the Ray Per Pixel to maximum which is 256, and rendered to a file.
Once in Photoshop... I inverted the picture first. Now I could have rendered a "Object Mask" by this time I was tired and went the quick method. I used the "Color Range" Method in photoshop to select the Black Background, and than I inverted my selection so that only my object bits were selected.
I played with the Brightness/Contrast tool to get the desired result.
Fran: That is the idea... if you have JellyFish Models try them out... I bet it would look great.
FranOnTheEdge posted Mon, 24 March 2008 at 5:19 PM
Er... has your name changed?
Anyway - " Fran: That is the idea... if you have JellyFish Models try them out... I bet it would look great."
Yeah well, these models are so very basic that I've been searching for internet reference images to improve them before daring to show anyone.
Will get back to you on that.
Thanks for the info on your method, I'd never have thought to look at the Bryce objects for a spiral.
(I used your step 7 to convert a charcoal sketch on white to a silhouette of a dancer in pale yellow on black - for a short animation for Uni - it's a nice simple method)
Measure
your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)
Analog-X64 posted Mon, 24 March 2008 at 6:45 PM
Getting back on topic.... I'm attaching a couple of photos of real translucent Deep Sea animals.
Should be able to make something up with standard Bryce Primitives.
I'm better at PhotoShop than I am with Bryce.
Now I was thinking of Posting the larger version of what I posted above in the gallery....should I? Does it need anything added to it??
FranOnTheEdge posted Tue, 25 March 2008 at 7:49 PM
" Now I was thinking of Posting the larger version of what I posted above in the gallery....should I?"
I think you should - sometimes simplicity is the best policy and this suits the subject.
" Now I was thinking of Posting the larger version of what I posted above in the gallery....should I?"
I cannot think of anything, but then I didn't think of this in the first place so I guess it's up to you, but be careful of adding too much and of taking away the focus from the main model.
As long as I know I'm still talking to you, you can be Analog anything you like - pity about the trademark though.
I'm not so bad with PhotoShop myself (not brilliant but I know my way around most of it) yet I've not tried the inverting method... I may have a go with it if you get results like you just did though... (envy mode - on!)
Lol.
Measure
your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)
Analog-X64 posted Tue, 25 March 2008 at 8:06 PM
I was hoping to run more tests this weekend, but I've been just informed that I have to work Saturday and Sunday. So will see how that goes.
I'd rather compose the entire image inside Bryce if possible and get the same effect... I havent managed to get the same intense colors as you and erosiaart have achieved.
I was also thinking of generating a Jelly Like creature like the sample photo I posted, using Taurus and Sphere shapes with Multi Replicate.
So many ideas.....so little time.
Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.
FranOnTheEdge posted Wed, 26 March 2008 at 7:48 PM
P.S. My second comment about not adding too much was actually in reply to your comment:
"Does it need anything added to it??"
Not sure why you can't replicate the colours in Bryce that I'm getting.
But then I have trouble replicating the colours that YOU get...
You're right about time - there's never enough of it.
Measure
your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)
Analog-X64 posted Wed, 26 March 2008 at 8:05 PM
Quote -
Not sure why you can't replicate the colours in Bryce that I'm getting.But then I have trouble replicating the colours that YOU get...
I'll try and take some time to post some of the steps from start to finish so you could see how I'm doing it....maybe that will shed some light on the colors.
FranOnTheEdge posted Fri, 28 March 2008 at 9:15 PM
"I'll try and take some time to post some of the steps from start to finish so you could see how I'm doing it....maybe that will shed some light on the colors."
That would be great, thanks. I like step by step.
Measure
your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)