I still don't know.  The problem is the comparable Quadro to the 8800GTX is the 5500FX not the 570 (not sure how these differ).  It is considerably (!) more expensive (like $2000+).  You have to read the linked thread above (at least the page where the link goes) to understand what I'm sayin'. :)

you sound like you've already sold it to yourself ^_^ maybe it's the best choice for you, good luck.

Quote - They still have (unless Maxon demanded it removed) a mention of Cinema 4D running as 64-bit on MacOS X (which is patently untrue).

Really? Where?

Quote - ETA: What about the hype about Adobe Photoshop migrating to 64-bit on MacOS X?

What hype? As far as I know, Adobe hasn't announced any 64bit plans for any platform.

The promise for PoserPro is "64-bit render engine", right? Not that the entire app has been rewritten as 64-bit?

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At another link, I think that I misread: Photoshop G5 support and not necessarily 64-bit.  That's down the tubies...

On Cinema 4D, righty here (on Apple's own site):

http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/imaging_3d/cinema4d.html

Read that third paragraph slowly.  Quote: "MAXON was the first to release a 64-Bit Intel-based Macintosh version".  Really?  Where? (as you emoted). ;)

Operguy that is correct - ONLY the RENDER engine will be x64.

The Quadro 570 has a chip that's far, far slower than the 8800GT. Even the 3DS Max optimized driver will not bring it close to the speed of an 8800GT, and every other application will be excruciatingly slow in 3D.
Save yourself the grief, and get that 8800GT.

okay you heavyweights are persuading me.

Quote - Read that third paragraph slowly.  Quote: "MAXON was the first to release a 64-Bit Intel-based Macintosh version".  Really?  Where? (as you emoted). ;)

I suppose Apple's marketing must have written that before Apple's management decided to not ship Carbon 64bit support.

I recently updgraded from the 8600 GTS to the EVGA 640 MB 8800 GTS and use it with LightWave 9.3.1, Deep Paint 3D, ZBrush 3.1 and Poser 7. Also, I have the Max 2008 demo and the Maya PLE. I can say that it works most excellent with those programs. Also, there are a great many pros using that card as opposed to the Quadros. You can Google the subject and find that advice all over the 'net, in 3D forums around the world.
I was going to get a Quadro, but was talked out of it in the same way, with the same arguments being delivered here.
Alot of these people also model for games, and need the ability the 8800 has in gaming in addition to its ability to work with the OGL and DX programs.

You all hijacked this thread from me!!! But in a good way this has been very informative now i'm left with three more components I have questions about the casing how many watts I should run for the power supply and the cooling system or fans?

my first impetus to buy the quadro came from the company from whom I am purchaing Max.

I guess in their world anyone paying $3500 per seat for the application would not sneeze at a $2000 Quadro, might not even find out they could get the same power for less with a gamer card.

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Thanx Operaguy for listing your components as this gives me some idea what im gonna build soon, as i havent done anything to my current machine in 6 years.
What i would like to know is Does Poser7 run on a 2 quad processor machine and if so would it use all 8 cores in rendering, if it doesnt will Poser7 Pro use all 8 ???????

and should i start a thread for people to post their system specs so that us that are wanting to upgrade have an idea what works and is good????

to start i have

P4 2.4ghz with 1gb ram
3 Hitachi H/D (280gb,1160gb)
nVidia GeForce FX5900
Epox something motherboard

yes its old but it still works a treat...

Poser 7 has a cap of 4 threads that it can render in, so having more than 4 cores won't be a benefit (at least, not in Poser 7).

but will Poser7 Pro have this same cap? or will i have to buy additional licences to as it may come under the term render farm?????

No verified information, but I wouldn't be surprised if the 4 thread cap is still in - they haven't advertised that this will be expanded, and it would make little sense for them to keep quiet about it.  Maybe Stewer will confirm whether this is the case.

how do we get stewar drunk and make him spill the beans on PoserPro/Poser8 etc.?

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P.S. He'd probably cave for one of those $20,000 mac 8-core jobs.

Quote - how do we get stewar drunk and make him spill the beans on PoserPro/Poser8 etc.?

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P.S. He'd probably cave for one of those $20,000 mac 8-core jobs.

I'm not quite $20.000 worth of desperate to know the inside scoop on upcoming versions of Poser.  I could buy quite a few seats of Poser Pro for that kind of money.  Maybe even a couple of copies of 3DS Max. 

But if anyone wants to give me a $20,000 machine, then I'll see what I can dig up.  Hey -- I'll make the "inside information" up for that kind of price......although I have to admit: you can get all of the made-up "inside scoop" information for free in the forums anytime that you want.  :sneaky:

"made-up inside scoop"?  Alternatively, you can read the published information and make reasonable observations about that, and/or ask EF/Smith Micro employees that frequent the forum...

Quote - "made-up inside scoop"?  Alternatively, you can read the published information and make reasonable observations about that, and/or ask EF/Smith Micro employees that frequent the forum...

Yep, you can always do those things, too.  Although the employees tend to be tight-lipped for the most part -- and for good reasons.  Usually enforced reasons.

IIRC - A lot of people -- dare I say nearly everyone -- was taken by surprise over the inclusion of IBL/AO, back when a new version of Poser was released which introduced it to the program.  The final evaluations came in once we actually had our hands on the software.  Everything prior to that tended to fall into the realm of speculation.  But all of the forum in-the-know assertions probably made for amusing reading for the EF employees at the time.

In any case, I've yet to see a new software release -- be it Microsoft Office or Maya -- which came in 100% as advertised in advance.  It'll be an interesting historical footnote if upcoming versions of Poser do this.

Where did that initially-announced Lightwave support go..........?  Someone must have forgotten about it later on.

still, it seems a LONG time since the last significant upgrade to Poser, and a LONG time since PRO was announced.

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Quote - still, it seems a LONG time since the last significant upgrade to Poser, and a LONG time since PRO was announced.

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You know what -- I'm beginning to agree.  We'll see what they do this time around.

I am thinking that Smith Micro is a whole different kind of corporate animal from any of Poser's previous owners.  Precisely what that'll translate into in terms of the practical future of Poser remains to be seen.  But I'll say that SM has more potential clout -- if they choose to exercise it -- than any of the other former owners of Poser.

Quote - Yep, you can always do those things, too.

Actually that is exactly what I did, so I was wondering where the snotty "made up inside scoop" bullshit came from - nowhere?

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Where did that initially-announced Lightwave support go..........?  Someone must have forgotten about it later on.

My Inside Sources have told me it was a problem with the LW SDK and the fact that LightWave has changed so much over the last 2 years, and is about to see another major change.

Well, actually not any kind of inside sources, just my own assumptions based on reading what some of the LW plugin writers have said about the changes in the SDK.  I'm just not very good at this - I've always sucked at spreading rumors. ;-)

If that's correct though, it's a good thing. It would probably tend to piss alot of people off if they made the LW plugin and then Newtek broke it two months later with a new release. Supposedly also the CA and rigging tools are undergoing some sort of change, so it would be likely Poser bones wouldn't translate properly until after that.

@pjz --  There's no need to take everything personally.  My comments weren't aimed at you -- just at general tendencies that I've seen on display in the forums over the years.

Please don't think that I was insulting you personally.......because I wasn't.  These types of issues aren't on that level, anyway.  At least not coming from here.

Quote - > Quote -

Where did that initially-announced Lightwave support go..........?  Someone must have forgotten about it later on.

My Inside Sources have told me it was a problem with the LW SDK and the fact that LightWave has changed so much over the last 2 years, and is about to see another major change.

Well, actually not any kind of inside sources, just my own assumptions based on reading what some of the LW plugin writers have said about the changes in the SDK.  I'm just not very good at this - I've always sucked at spreading rumors. ;-)

If that's correct though, it's a good thing. It would probably tend to piss alot of people off if they made the LW plugin and then Newtek broke it two months later with a new release. Supposedly also the CA and rigging tools are undergoing some sort of change, so it would be likely Poser bones wouldn't translate properly until after that.

Good observations, MikeJ.  While it's true that what you've said comprises speculation (which you've admitted ), it sounds reasonable to me.

I'd still like to see Lightwave support.  But you're right: best for them to wait until it's ready to do this.

@pjz (again) --

Please permit me to add that you are a knowledgeable and often a helpful contributor to the forum.  No insult is intended in this.

Oh, he's a putz. :p (What I'm tryin' to say is, he's a bit tougher than you think). As for 64-bit? Hybrid is as good as it gets for the home user, unless you have a specially-built Itanium or (certain type of) Sparc box running a specifically-tailored Linux (or Solaris) system (Linux has a sh!tload of pure 64-bit apps, and two types of 64-bit kernels --IA_64 and x86_64-- to handle 'em). OTOH, apps can be built to take advantage of the 64-bit goodness that can be found in existing x86 (and G5) rig-ups... but that's up to the app writers. As for Poser? Don't hold your breath beyond the render engine... Sorry Stewer, but I suspect there's too many line o' code you'd have to re-write in there to take full advantage of it (which kinda sucks, because the UI could use the boost IMHO). As for D|S? Maybe, but I know it'd require a bit of re-working as well (though the render engine would be practically a drop-in if 3Delight already has one, and a user could add a Renderman-compliant 64-bit engine himself and script D|S to plug into it...) /P

Quote - ...(though the render engine would be practically a drop-in if 3Delight already has one...

The stand alone 3Delight does support 64-bit. It also has Windows, Mac, and Linux builds.

Well just in time for my purchase, NewEgg threw a sale EMail at me that contains several of the items in my cart. Also, they have a sale on this video card:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130319&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL030308&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL030308--VideoCards--L0C-_-14130319

which comes to $209 after discounts and rebate. These 8800s come in GT, GS and GTS flavors for crying out loud.

sale page:
http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/Mar-0-2008/Promo030408in/index-landing.html?nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL030308&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL030308--email--E0D-_-Moredeals

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Also, I am asking in several places:

For Vista-64 bit.....

What are the various flavors and feature differences. I can't seem to find a page that shows a comparison chart or anything.

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I have the EVGA 8800GTX, and it is an outstanding card both for 3d design work and for gaming (not a big concern but nice).  The early drivers did not work well with Cinema 4D but the current build of drivers works very well with everything.  Since mine was one of the earliest it's probably this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130072

Not saying that you should get that card, just that my experience with EVGA (3rd card of theirs I've bought) has been outstanding.

Opera:

IMHO, skip Vista and go for XP-64; you'll have less headaches that way.

This is the MSFT page showing the different versions of Vista 64-bit - but honestly I don't see anyone here buying a mobo that can hold 128GB of RAM anytime soon, so Home Premium would be your best bet there (that is, if you can't get hold of XP-64).

(me, I'd just like to see one of these schmucks port Poser or D|S to Linux).

HTH,
/P

Quote - Also, I am asking in several places:

For Vista-64 bit.....

What are the various flavors and feature differences. I can't seem to find a page that shows a comparison chart or anything.

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AFAIK,  the different Vista packages come in both 32-bit and 64-bit versions. You can just compare the packages:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/editions/default.mspx

One thing that is not listed there is max. RAM:
Home Basic - 8GB
Home Premium - 16GB
The others - 128GB

thanks dvlenk6 that is perfect.

pjz99 thanks for comment on the brand itself, I was wondering about that.

Yes, I may stick with XP-64. This rig is for development but may slide down to rendernode and maybe that would provide time for the one or two apps I like to become compatible with Vista.

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Quote - Opera:

IMHO, skip Vista and go for XP-64; you'll have less headaches that way.

This is the MSFT page showing the different versions of Vista 64-bit - but honestly I don't see anyone here buying a mobo that can hold 128GB of RAM anytime soon, so Home Premium would be your best bet there (that is, if you can't get hold of XP-64)...

I can't think of any single reason, after using both OS, to put XP on a new machine in favor of Vista. I guess some people have reported that certain apps refuse to run on Vista; but every one of mine runs perfectly fine.
XP is junk compared to Vista; especially if you are networking, or using multi-threaded apps, or multi-tasking. Not to mention XP's piss poor security (by comparison). Better drivers, better graphics (dx10), better everything really. XP seems rough and incomplete (and slow as hell) after using Vista for a while.
You get all that at the cost of ~100MB of RAM. The 'it uses 1GB' mantra is pure bullshit; just like 90% of the other 'problems' that Vista has.

Same people that slandered XP, when it first came out, in favor Win2K are now slandering Vista in favor of XP. Most of them never even used Vista (or XP at the time), or they 'gave it a try'; i,e, did nothing to set up the OS to run the way they want it to, then bitch because it doesn't run the way they want it to. :tongue1:

It would probably be a good idea for people shopping for an OS to listen to users that actually have used the OS in question, instead of 2nd (5th) hand [mis]information.

Me? I only know from the troubles we've had trying to get Vista going at the corporate level (doesn't play nice with in-house apps, runs slower on the same hardware, etc).

Personally, I'm happier with OSX or Linux ;)

/P

dvlenk6 good to hear it.

I am vectored in on the 'multitreading' thing and for Carrara several people are reporting high performance over XP-64. This rig I am building with 8GIG and 4 cores...that means multithreading and multitasking, I hope.

Can Vista be tailored to be un-obnoxious? I don't care about the default....I mean the result after making preferences....as far as security alerts etc that people are complaining about?

I have to check 2 legacy apps, EditPlus, Canvas.

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Quote - Me? I only know from the troubles we've had trying to get Vista going at the corporate level (doesn't play nice with in-house apps, runs slower on the same hardware, etc).

Personally, I'm happier with OSX or Linux ;)

/P

No, nothing personal :)
Just seems like 'avoid Vista' is bad advice for a new machine, IMO.

Quote - ...Can Vista be tailored to be un-obnoxious? I don't care about the default....I mean the result after making preferences....as far as security alerts etc that people are complaining about?

I have to check 2 legacy apps, EditPlus, Canvas.

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Pretty much you can enable/disable any part of the OS from the control panel. You can turn Aero, or UAC (that is the security alerts) stuff, or pretty much anything that you want to on and off at any time.
You can also shut down any of the 'services' from the task manager. Some of the services are sort of mandatory, if you want things like 'system diagnostics' to work right.

I don't know anything about either of those programs in terms of Vista compatability.

Thanks DVlenk. I'll check with the publishers on those apps.

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Its nice to watch Operaguy talk about his system build as i too am about to start my new machine, but this time im going for value and best poser resources, and i seam to be on similar specs..... hopefully im doing something right...lol...