Thunderstone,

*Quote: That would not solve anything as the offending party could make up another account name and just lay low for a while. Resurface later under a different username.

It may be some sort of deterrent as Renderosity could base the ban the user based on the email address that the user signed up with. I know that it is possible to have numerous email accounts these days but at least it would cause the perpetrator some sort of bother. If they are a continual offender then it would surely lead to them giving up being a member or stop them from their obscene commenting.

Tony :-)

Tony

Quote - It may be some sort of deterrent as Renderosity could base the ban the user based on the email address that the user signed up with. I know that it is possible to have numerous email accounts these days but at least it would cause the perpetrator some sort of bother. If they are a continual offender then it would surely lead to them giving up being a member or stop them from their obscene commenting.

That's true but there are a few people who have nothing better to do than to act boorish seeing how easily it is to be anonymous behind a few dark or colored pixels of phosphorous materials on a glass plate.  They would be less bothered by the multiple accounts and are less likely to give up being a member. However if Renderosity were to also base the ban on the user's IP address along with their email address or record their IP address and file a complaint against the offender with the offender's Internet provider, it could go a long way to deter such boorish actions.

But then that is just me. :ohmy: That would mean extra work for the owner or site administrator or moderator but it would be worth it as it won't be a daily occurrence and people could post without the fear of such boorish action taking place on their art work. :biggrin:

TS

At ArtZone you have to approve the comments before they become public in your gallery.  So, if it's offending...you simply don't approve it and the person leaving it has wasted their time and effort...

AnnieD,
Now that is a good idea, I think there is something similar on MySpace. Maybe one for the site owners to consider.
Tony.

For me, I don't comment on pictures unless I feel that I can contribute something to the artist in an effort to help them out with the image or with future art.  When I do that, I also make an effort to point out what I like about the pic too.

I always try to remain constructive.  Also, I try to maintain a "if you can't say something nice..." attitude.  I know what damage a harsh critique or nasty one can bring.

It's a very good point, but how would it work with the rating system? Would deleting a so, so comment also delete a so, so rating? I still favour the fact that the organizers here can just delete offensive stuff anyway and it's just as embarrassing to the offender. I've had a couple of offensive ones, but I just tear them apart or defend myself and leave them where they are looking silly, forever.

I have also been attacked by 'malicious down-rating' too.... on pictures that were getting 50% favourites, which made it even more obvious something was wrong. The organizers kindly sorted that out, so the system works.

 "For me, I don't comment on pictures unless I feel that I can contribute something to the artist in an effort to help them out with the image or with future art.  When I do that, I also make an effort to point out what I like about the pic too."

That's a great attitude to take, mboncher but sometimes it's just nice to get a "well done". A boost to the moral is just as important to sensitive people. Silence is a killer too, especially in art.

e-brink,
Yep, I suppose not accepting a comment could be beneficial to your ratings, it's a tough one to call.

I agree entirely with your second coment that silence can be a killer. When I get over 100 views and only 20 comments I begin to wonder that the majority don't like my work, however, I just re-read the posted comments and move onto my next image. For me this is a sort of journey to see how far I can push myself, it is getting harder.
Thankfully I have not been subjected to obscene commenting.

Tony :-)

At AZ the ratings are separate from the comments..you can rate an image without leaving a comment and you can leave a comment without the rating..so the two don't really affect each other.

It is something to consider Tony...it would solve most problems with people who are just troublemakers.  I think we all know the difference. 

In actual fact, if you comment and rate the two are joined! If you delete your comment, the rating comes off with it. In this way people can correct mistakes if they accidentally click a 1 when they meant a 5!

I'll take your word for that here on this site..I never paid much attention since I'm new enough to not be known...lol   The ratings are not as important to me as the learning.
But on ArtZone I know you can rate without commenting and vice-versa..I have never seen a way to delete a rating there...and if I remember correctly..you do have to do them separately over there. ...and yes people have figured out a way to beat the honest ratings..to boost their own images at the expense of much better art.  All you have to do is take a look at some of the stuff in the highest rated gallery at Artzone to see what I mean...
The only problem with AZ is that no one really does either...there is no interest there like there is here, in another's art work.

I guess I really was only thinking about the comments and not losing your ratings...

I am a member of ArtZone only because I am a member of DAZ and someone asked me to be part of a forum. I don't know much about that site, but it often appears to be more of a dating site than an art site lol.

I once got a friend request there, but I didn't want to get involved in than 'friend circle' pass the parcel stuff. If they start talking art, I'll be back. Rendo is great overall, not perfect, but very frieindly and on balance a great experience for up and coming artists and professionals, if they want to take part. There is hardly any elitism here, in my view.

I joined there not long after I joined here but back then it was a nice quiet place and no dating stuff..lol
We made friends in the blogs and actually did talk about art but now that Daz has made it bigger its no good anymore...at least in my opinion.  It has become too socially oriented.
A lot of the friends I made there are here too and interacting more here.
This site is more about learning and art with some craziness thrown in once in a while...and like you said..more friendly.

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That's a great attitude to take, mboncher but sometimes it's just nice to get a "well done". A boost to the moral is just as important to sensitive people. Silence is a killer too, especially in art.

Well, I do give those too, just not as much.  I guess I figure if I see something I like, I like to mention what that is instead of just an "Awesome!" But that's me... and it is nice to be recognized that way too.  Especially by someone whom you consider to be a much better artist than you.

 Yes... I know what you mean. Awesome is okay, but much over-used.

Yes, and you get a freakin' plethora of em.  Well deserved if I may suck up. :cD

What I wanna know is how come certain people get "favorited" all the darn time for their work when to be honest, I really can't see what's quite so stunning about their work as compared to others.  (probly has somthing to do with poser and boobs)... mutter mutter....

I know I know... circle of friends et all. It's just interesting to watch at times.

Nevermind me, I rant rhetorically.

Although the number of favourites on some images leaves me puzzled at times I tend not to look at them these days. I judge my work purely on how many people favourite me, which, although is not as high as other people , it is on the increase overall. This is satisfaction enough for me, together with the encouraging comments and the odd critical comment I receive.
Tony :-)

*I judge my work purely on how many people favourite me

*I judge my creations by the goals I've set when viewing the works of  high end artists.....

Who do you all create for? Iknow who my most critical viewer is.

Quote: "Yes, and you get a freakin' plethora of em.  Well deserved if I may suck up. :cD"

I almost consider that a critical comment in it's own right. lol. Actually, I think people do make a genuine effort to comment on my work... some people of course do not have time, the flow of words, or possibly the command of English (being foreign)  to be able to comment in a more in-depth manner. I just feel lucky to get them.

People make favourites for a variety of reasons. Friends, respect of work, sentiment... or just because they like the picture... it might just be a flower in the garden, but it still has appeal! Compared with 3 days work on a big 3d excercise it can seem unfair. However, I am always amazed when people find art unjust or frustrating. I've been involved in art a long time. It is full of jealousy and despair and always will be.

It is probably the main source of over-critical comment and nastiness.

ICM,
*I judge my work purely on how many people favourite me

*Whoops, my mistake, I don't judge my work purely on how many favourites I get, I base it on viewings, rating and favourites ... sorry I misled there.

Tony :-)

Sorry E-Brink, That wasn't meant as a critical comment at all.  Just a little competativeness in my nature. :c)  For me, I see so many fabulous artists here I have to say, they are a major driving force for me to strive and actually get to the point where I can say, at least to myself, I'm one of there peers, and would blend right in if there was a portfolio show, and not stand out as some hack.  In that regard I'm my own worst critic.

Tanglimara, I know what you're saying.  It's nice to see views break 100, 500, 1000 (I don't think I have a 1000 view image though) but I'm working at it.  I'm also a firm believer that Thumbnails make a LOT of impact when it comes to the draw of who looks and who passes by your picture when browsing.

Quote: ICM
Who do you all create for? Iknow who my most critical viewer is.
Very true.  Ultimately everyone creates artwork for themselves.  Either it brings them direct satisfaction in the doing, or indirect by praise of others or some other form of outside recognition.  Most of us enjoy both, but it's a case of what weights heaviest in our own minds. :c)

mboncher,
Thumbnail impact is something I'm just realising. I just accept the default one created but may investigate the possibility of creating my own to show just a section of the image to see what happens. I've just enetered this months Bryce challenge and had to generate my own and I noticed that some of them only showed a bit of the image that mad eme investigate further.
Tony :-)

Yep.  I often like to crop my images to focus on something that grabs the attention but doesn't give away the whole scene.  it's an appetizer.  I learned that trick from looking at from of the old pros back about 5 years ago.  The better the thumbnail, the more hits you got.  Not only that, but the importance of gallery placement mattered a lot.

For instance, I always look at "Bryce" / "All".  But every once in a while I choose "All" / "Comics", or "All" / "Seascapes" just to see what people in other apps are doing in a similar setting.  I think there are fans of particular types of pictures that search only by that.  (mostly pinup I think) because they care about the subject matter, not the program.

Brycers often look at the software first or exclusively.  It's why I think our community here is much tighter knit than others.  But that's me being a stand up philosopher.

And to top it off, the right search words matter.  I'm a rail fan.  So every once in a while, I search for "Trains" or "railroad" and see what comes up.  Being an O. Winston Link and Don Ball Jr. fan does that to you I guess.  (both of whom are very influential to my artwork for image composition.  So you want to make sure that those who love these images find you.  That's a lot more relative, but it can get you a few extra hits and maybe a few comments and favorites. :c)

But I blather on.