Just noticed the alert on their newsletter today.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

let the speculation, arguing and guessing begin!

Now THAT is a concern!!

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I don't really see it as a concern at all, just an interesting turn of events.

RDNA was around before CP, and I'm sure both will survive just fine.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

Nah!! Sorry it was tongue in cheek!!! 

I buy my RDNA stuff at CP but not anymore!!!!

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Strange things happen since"  SITH MICRO " runs the place..

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Ah, I see ... so the way for the new owners to support Poser is to break ties with two communties that have fostered the growth of the program over the years?

Yeah. That makes sense.

Could be doing support for the HUGE number of products was more costly then whatever profits they were getting from them.

or it could be like Daz, that they want more of thier own "branded" stuff, and more of an exclusive boutique store.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

You might have a point there...
But remember DAZ does not make a lot them self .. most PC stuff is bought from vendors.. and
the rest is vendors too
They "only" make the figures...
And CP makes nothing .. Sith Micro "makes" figures ..but nobody realy uses them..
I think its going to be dawn soon at CP ...

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I haven't got anything from them since they started discriminating agains P5 users...;)
Sith Micro....likes it...;)

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Quote - I haven't got anything from them since they started discriminating agains P5 users...;)
Sith Micro....likes it...;)

Yeah i do like the Name Sith Mirco too hehehe :woot: just my mad mind at work

 

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It's a conspiracy! Aieee!

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*but nobody realy uses them..

*Umm! I use Miki 2 a lot!! 

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Quote - *but nobody realy uses them..

*Umm! I use Miki 2 a lot!! 

Yeah YOU ..but YOU dont count .. hehehe :woot: "evil grinn"

:lol:
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CP is owned by SM, so in a roundabout way, a CP figure is a SM figure. That just semantics.

Actually many people like the SM figures, like Miki, Sydney, the G2 males and Nearme.

And they DO still have specific vendors like Sixus, very similar to Daz having PAs, so I'm guessing this is just duplicating Daz's marketing model..

And I do now recall some other debate about being a CP vendor, but then getting buried in a deluge of Rendo and RDNA products, though I don't recall who was talking about it or where.

Mighta been an old thread here somewhere.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

And I do now recall some other debate about being a CP vendor, but then getting buried in a deluge of Rendo and RDNA products, though I don't recall who was talking about it or where.

I know what your talking about ...
But i dont think SM is doing this for the other remaining vendors...

 

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Ye Gods...

I suspect they're seriously cleaning house now... wonder what they're thinking.

Funny thing is, I don't think they're aiming their guns @ DAZ (at least not yet).

Seriously, they're targeting Renderosity first.

The reasoning is actually straightforward. RDNA is a Bondware customer, and has always been fairly close to Rendo - enough that the word "adjunct" would not be too much of an ill fit. Rendo of course represents something that (IMHO) CP ultimately views as competition. Rendo is the largest independent community (DAZ has apps, PWFW is subscription, 3DC is too small to worry about, Faeriewylde too niche, Renderotica too, err, not family-friendly, etc...)

Pretty much the same logic behind Microsoft trying to buy Yahoo and not Google - you eat the not-so-big fish before you try to wrap your mouth around the really big one(s). DAZ is too big and diversified for CP to slay offhand, but Renderosity certainly isn't.

I wonder how long it will be before CP opens up to allowing amateur merchies to post goods for sale?

/P

Well, I have stuff there.. LOL!

If they'll let ME in, anyone's fair game.. LOL!

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

Ah - thx muchly - it reinforces what I've been suspecting.

/P

I'm just glad I already re-downloaded everything I ever bought there when they told us about grabbing all the rendo stuff and burned it all to a new dvd. Now I don't have to do it twice.

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What about Vanishing Point?  They sell a lot of stuff there, IIRC.

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LOL!

This from a guy with a smoking clown avatar... hehee!

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

Yep, VP, Sixus, Sanctum Art, Netherwoks, PhilC, they have a nice stable of content creators that call them home.

If nothing else, they have many more artists there now then when RDNA started up.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

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I wonder how long it will be before CP opens up to allowing amateur merchies to post goods for sale?

/P

Well I broker there so guess the rot has already set in :P

 

 

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I wonder how long it will be before CP opens up to allowing amateur merchies to post goods for sale?

/P

Well I broker there so guess the rot has already set in :P

ROFL! Great minds! They've got us and Gareee. Anybody else want to come over and lower the property value with us? :lol:

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Quote - "

I wonder how long it will be before CP opens up to allowing amateur merchies to post goods for sale?

/P

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Mmmm and How many Pro. vendors can you name ?
And then i mean Pro's that can make their living from it  ..otherwise its a amateur...

I realy wonder how many P can name..

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*What about Vanishing Point? 

• As far as I know It's all cool with SM/CP.

*I wonder how long it will be before CP opens up to allowing
amateur merchies to post goods for sale?

• I reckon that would be a good thing. Good for customers and good for vendors. 

Pinky - you left the lens cap of your mind on again.

-I thought Renderotica was the only place you could get SM-stuff? Are they turning CP in an adult-site as well?

:blink:

-How can you improve things when you don't make mistakes?

Spring 's in the air...  why should I?   (stupid dutch joke)

hehehe .... So boring, with what kind of Boor ? ..

Ahum ...
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Sorry Chris, I know I have to update my tag-line but I'm a little too busy, too lazy and out of inspiration and if I change it now your remark won't make anymore sense, so I leave it like that untill no-one is interested in this tread anymore. Oh MG, I hope this won't be one of those 25-page threads .

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-How can you improve things when you don't make mistakes?

Quote - LOL!

This from a guy with a smoking clown avatar... hehee!

Not exactly what I meant (sorry if that came out as insult). I simply wasn't aware that they took in direct consignments (for lack of a better phrase). The suspicions I refer to are listed above... that companies are getting the boot for a reason.

Vanishing Point, Sixus, Sanctum Art, Netherwoks, PhilC... they're all one/two-person shops, IIRC - no big deal keeping them on (and some, like PhilC, are advantageous to keep around).

RDNA and Rendo are not one-person shops.

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Quote - I reckon that would be a good thing. Good for customers and good for vendors.

Never said otherwise... but it reinforces the fact that SM is going to be competing directly against Rendo, as opposed to continuing a partnership with them.

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Quote - I thought Renderotica was the only place you could get SM-stuff?

Well, IIRC the RMP still sells some (they just don't make a lot of noise about it ;) ).

Quote - Are they turning CP in an adult-site as well?

I doubt it - which is why I can sit back and watch in amusement at the coming competition... :)

/P

Strange move.... there's not much support around for the poser figures like the G2 series and from that little support there is RDNA may well have been the largest around.

Wondering what CP's next move will be, but they're store is getting less and less interesting and if it wasn't Cyllan selling at CP only, wouldn't even spent money there anymore.

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Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

Actually, that makes me wonder if RDNA will still support SM's figures, or if they'll shift to the daz figures instead.

And Pengy, no offense taken at all. Besides, who has time for poserverse drama? (Well, at least who has time this week for it.. LOL!)

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

Just saw the newsletter with this info on there...

I gotta say, I'm a li'l bummed because I really preferred CP's site over RDNA. RDNA's sits feels very cluttered, and isn't as well laid-out when looking at the store. That's my opinion, at least.

 

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Quote - Actually, that makes me wonder if RDNA will still support SM's figures, or if they'll shift to the daz figures instead.

RDNA is invite-only for merchies, so it would depends on them. They do a fair balance between DAZ and SM/Poser-Default.

OTOH, if the break w/ CP means smaller revenue for RDNA and they have to do any cut-backs, I wouldn't doubt that those who do exclusive SM figure stuff would be the ones eyeballed first. :)

Quote - And Pengy, no offense taken at all. Besides, who has time for poserverse drama? (Well, at least who has time this week for it.. LOL!)

'zackly.

This weekend it's going to be a blast... I get to install a shedload of services all day Sunday, but before that, do a 6-hour round trip drive Saturday to West Armpit, Oregon (the missus has family there, and they appear to be the small minority of sane non-Deliverance types in that area... and for a guy who comes from the Ozarks, that's saying something).

/P

It could be that CP et el wants to break away from 'Barbie Doll' sites and develop  more varied professional content other then V3 characters and clothing textures.

Highly unlikley unless they are really going to clean house.  All the new stuff is just the same. There for a couple days it was nothing but pages of poses upon poses being added for the mil3/4 peeps.

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Ok just gotta chime in here....

As far as RDNA peeps supporting CP/SM/EF/whatever-the-heck-you-wanna-call-it-this-week figures, that will be up to each individual merchant and comes down to what their preference is, as it always has been. We are not going to punish our current or potential customers, just coz some big wig company has played their hand very badly. We have far more respect than that. And really, when u get down to the nitty gritty, those figures have nothing to do with SM, other than the fact that they own them now.

That said, I can honestly say RDNA wouldnt discriminate against any of their merchants for supporting those figures. Thats a pretty extreme conclusion to jump to and not a cool thing to say about the admin who fight for our rights daily. I wouldnt worry about RDNA falling... I think you all can expect some great things to come.

As they say, out with the old and in with the new

I don't think RDNA is failing at all, the only one starting to fail is CP, after all they're the ones loosing customers and a good number of people not renewing passport.

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Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
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Quote - The reasoning is actually straightforward. RDNA is a Bondware customer ...

My speculation is that it's related to the store interop (which might mean SanctumArts will "mutually part ways" at some point).

*"Vanishing Point, Sixus, Sanctum Art, Netherwoks, PhilC... they're all one/two-person shops"

Um, actually Vanishing Point is a 18 man operation, with 11 of those being exclusive to Vanishing Point.

(edited to fix error, it should read: 18 man and one woman operation)

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SanctumArts hasn't released anything for a long time now are they actually still around creating stuff for the poser market?

Their last website update dates back to August last year, I don't think they're planning on getting involved anymore at all. Since they've moved to CP away from DAZ, they've been very quite, except from some peeps here and there, but not as it used to be.

It's a shame that companies like CP & DAZ have such a influence on merchants, they've sure destroyed a few good ones over the years, it's a shame.

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Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

Quote - It could be that CP et el wants to break away from 'Barbie Doll' sites and develop  more varied professional content other then V3 characters and clothing textures.

I gather that Renderosity and RDNA terminated the partnerships when it was time to renew the contract.   I believe CP/Rendo was a mutual decision. We don't know whether it was CP decision or RDNA or a mutual decision to discontinue partnership.

I doubt that CP's customer base is that much different from Rendo's from DAZ's from RDNA's... So it may be more hassle then it's worth for everyone to try and keep the stores connected and coordinated.

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Quote - > Quote - The reasoning is actually straightforward. RDNA is a Bondware customer ...

My speculation is that it's related to the store interop (which might mean SanctumArts will "mutually part ways" at some point).

Nope to both.  That is not and was not the reasoning nor the cause.

After all these changes at CP I'm really regretting it that I renewed my CP-passport recently.  There's actually not much left there that attracts me. I never was a big fan of the original poser-models, even Miki2 didn't appeal to me.
It looks to me that CP/SM is kicking out all the concurrent poser-sites which in fact makes sense in the case of rendo, because the biggest part of their merchanidise was DAZ-related.
But I'm really surprised they cut with RDNA, I always thought this site was more or less related with CP, a bit like the late posepros and DAZ. The stuff at RDNA for the G2-models is IMHO rather good, in any case of much greater quality than the garbage they sell at CP, like the ridiculous and very inaccurate Dutch clothing set. (I'm sorry for the maker, but I feel deep insulted by that)
With all the vendors they kick out, they also kickout a lot of customers, who would also had bought some CP stuff, when they visited the site, but will now stay out (like me for instance, passport or not)

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Ah, didn't know VP was bigger than I'd thought; my apologies. Now for a question: when's their contract w/ CP come due?

As for RDNA, yes they began as a Bondware customer. Are they still using it, or has it been ditched now? I had figured that the connection figured at least somewhat prominently...

So was it then a show of solidarity, a distaste for having to split sales, or ...? No pressing need to tell, I understand, but I am curious.

Glad to see you taking a stand for the G2 figures, guys. :)

As for quality, I find RDNA to be the better of the two, but CP isn't exactly a slouch either.

I'm kind of surprised at the break between the two, because (prolly wrong on this one too - ) didn't RDNA (or some of the merchants therein) build --or help build-- the G2 figures? The thought keeps crawling into my head now that I think about it.

/P

Hello All,

Just want to let RDNA/CP customers know that all products are still available and will remain so at RDNA. That includes all the G2 supported products too.

Anyone who has purchased anything at RDNA/CP can make backups of their purchases through their CP account for 30 days until April 15.

You need not be concerned about receiving updates for RDNA products purchased at CP. If an update to a product becomes available you just need to show proof of your purchase and we would be happy to give you a download link.

Thank you all for your support during this time. We look forward to seeing you at RDNA.

Colm...:)

Smith Micro Graphics is doing a really fine job of casting gloom around and about their CP customer base.

Sigh, for me, it's back to shopping direct at Renderosity and RuntimeDNA.

More sighs.

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I just read the news letter. What a friggin hassle. I'm going to have to DL everything from CP now to make sure I have an extra backup disk and I need to print out every order to make sure I have proof.

This really reinforces what I was talking about in a thread at Daz when I had to chase around and find the updates of some plugins I had bought there and Daz wont support them. I said it would be better to buy straight from the merchants store even if it cost a few extra bucks.You would not have to chase for info and where to get the updates. Also now you have this with CP, having to do all this extra work if you want updates.

I had bought quite a bit of R'sity and RDNA stuff there because of the membership benefits. Not looking to good at me renewing or spending much there now, will have to see how the future hold for CP. It's not worth this much hassle right now.

Tashar59 -

I am in the same boat as you.  Very troublesome.

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me, i'm downloading everything now.  including the CP originals.  RDNA has great quality, but i've also got some wonderful CP animals, and some creepy Sixus stuff.  i'm not going to speculate on reasons right now or cast blame blindly (i'm blind on the subject, even if others know more), but that doesn't mean i'm going to wait for more closings to be announced.

Frankly, I'm amazed at what I'm reading!

Each time I make a purchase from anywhere it gets backed up there and then to a DVD so there's not hassles like this at any time!

I'm not being funny, but what do you other peeps do once you've installed a product, do you just bin it or what???

No disrespect intended, just curious!

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Given the RDNA support for the Poser/CP figures, it does seem a bit odd for the link to be broken. Obviously, I don't know details of these contracts, but I wonder how the money gets split up. There's three fingers in the pie, instead of the usual two.

*"Ah, didn't know VP was bigger than I'd thought; my apologies. Now for a question: when's their contract w/ CP come due?"

The contract with CP is due, and we are renewing our contract.

*"I'm kind of surprised at the break between the two, because (prolly wrong on this one too - ) didn't RDNA (or some of the merchants therein) build --or help build-- the G2 figures?"

As far as I know, it was the Poser 5 figures, Don, Judy, et al, that RDNA was involved in.

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- I'm not being funny, but what do you other peeps do once you've installed a product, do you just bin it or what???

I have a Posermap on the harddisk of my computer where I keep all acquired content, and keep two (!) synchronised copies on two different external harddisks. I want to make backups on DVD, but I have more than 30GB of content, so that's a lot of work.
There are stories about the lifetime of DVD's, but in my experience if you use a good quality and keep them dark and dry, you keep them for at least ten years, which is more then the average garanteed lifespan of a harddisk. I have backup-CD of more than 11 years old, which are readable without any problem. I had one CD that was exposed to direct sunlight and got damaged, but I still could read parts of it. There are programs that make it possible to recover data from damaged CD's.

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Personally I always bought from RDNA and not CP so it has no affect on me.

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Quote - I'm not being funny, but what do you other peeps do once you've installed a product, do you just bin it or what???

Between the Mac, the server (a spare FreeBSD box with a lot of HDD's jammed in it) and its RAID array, a USB 400GB hard disk, and 45 some-odd CD's and DVD's burned over the years? I think I'm okay for backups. :) (I was seriously contemplating an external tape drive for awhile, but they're kinda pricey...) /P

I just saw external 580 gig usb drives for $125 shipped. That's a LOT of backups.. ;)

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

As all the changes in Poserdom clearly indicate the end of the world, I think it is time to implement my backup plan  

Load the .OBJs into Wordpad,  printing those and the textures using inks developed by NASA (so astronauts had a soft expirence) onto hand prepared ethically sourced elephant skin. As global warming is caused by farting pachiderms  - there no problems with the loss of that species.    

Everything will then be stored in a top secret bunker (OK just outside Bognor if you must know) please ignore the "Beware of the Lepoard" sign.  

The recovery process will consist of immigrants from Cuba, Mexico or the next former Russian state to join the EU (also has the advantadge of  you get a cheap plumber) typing these back into a series of Sinclair Spectrums running Daz-studio-Poser 19. 

Oh please excuse me - one of the 4 horsemen of the apocolypse (who looks remarkably like Alan Alda) has just arrived and is asking if his pink pony can have a drink. :)   

Pinky - you left the lens cap of your mind on again.

I do back up everything on disk.  It's the knowing what's what on what disk and who to chase now for info on that item.

I was more concerned about updates. I printed out all those purchases so I have the dates and proof and I know what date to look for my email reciet. I save all those on disk too. But that won't do you any good if your not going to get notification about said updates. Have to rely on luck, gossip and forum rats to find out.

That is the hassle. Not the backup part which I learned the hard way 6 years ago and will never let that happen again.

End of the world? Not in the least. I'm done with what I needed to do. I've got it organised better now.

edit for spelling. maybe.

can I just say ..my initial "paranoid" suspicions I had a few weeks back regarding this is only looking less and less "paranoid" and much more truth..no wonder they deleted my post over at CP!!!

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> Quote - > > I was more concerned about updates. I printed out all those purchases so I have the dates and proof and I know what date to look for my email reciet. I save all those on disk too. But that won't do you any good if your not going to get notification about said updates. Have to rely on luck, gossip and forum rats to find out.

Or you can follow the link to the RDNA Product update page :) That is kept current.

I don't consider this any big deal.
I have a set of URL that I troll through on a regular basis, I'll just add RNDA to the list.

The only down side I see is that I won't be able to use any coupons on RNDA stuff now.

Just so everyone can calm down a little:

Vanishing Point is not leaving Content Paradise. They have always treated us well and they provide us plenty of advertising opportunities.

And, no, CP is not "cleaning house", nor are they "firing vendors".

Although I can't speak for Renderosity or RDNA, I would be willing to bet that they were the ones to quit CP, not the other way around. This is based on logical information and is not wild speculation. ;)

Remember, when CP first started, they needed tons of products to entice customers to visit. Who had the biggest supply of Poser products? Renderosity!
I would also be willing to guess that, at the time, CP paid Renderosity more than they should have, just to get access to all the products.

And now that CP has been bought by Smith Micro, it's logical to assume that the company would want to re-negotiate everyone's contracts. Unfortunately, it looks like some of the re-negotiations took a turn for the worse and resulted in Renderosity and RDNA leaving CP.

When it comes to contracts, there are at least two parties involved. I wish people wouldn't jump to wild conclusions about how Smith Micro is "evil" and should be called "Sith Micro". Why is SM the bad guy?
Do you now for a fact that the people at SM kicked out Renderosity or RDNA? If not, then maybe SM doesn't deserve to be called "Sith Micro". Maybe RDNA is the "evil" party for not allowing customers to buy their products from CP.
Yes, I know RDNA isn't actually "evil", but why not? If we're wildly speculating about things, who else can we call "evil"?

Quote - Ah, didn't know VP was bigger than I'd thought; my apologies. Now for a question: when's their contract w/ CP come due?

Now that's an interesting question. The contract is between Vanishing Point and Content Paradise. Beyond the fact that VP will continue to sell at CP, why are the details of the contract anyone else's business?

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Calling Sith Micro Evil doesnt just stem from one thing theyve done, nor even two things, but many things, since the acquisition of E-Frontier. I shall continue to call them Sith Micro, based on what Ive seen.

Oh and while Im at it... this is a link I ganked from Ann (ever giving credit where credit is due)
http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssTechMediaTelecomNews/idUSBNG28137720080225

We shall see who sings the same tune 6 mos from now.

Did you actually read that whole article, or just what you wanted to read?

"J.P. Morgan Securities on Monday downgraded Smith Micro to "neutral" from "overweight," and said the company's acquisition of e-frontier's products may hit fourth-quarter margins."

So they are anticipating an upturn in Smith Micro this year, acter a falling out with Verizon last year.. aquiring EF was the positive move they made last quarter last year.

Also, later in the same article, they are listing their stock as BUY, not SELL... recommending investors purchase thier stock anticipating future returns.

That article to me at least made it look like Smith Micro was having some problems last year, but purchasing EF was a wise move on thier part, and it's profits are expected to bolster the company.

Reread that article, and please tell me what you saw rather then what I saw.. maybe your take on it is different then mine is?

 

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

I read the whole thing, even the parts that make them look good ;o) I posted it as just a "for your information" thing, for those that wanted to read it... it had nothing to do with my reply or really with my stance. As far as whether it was a wise investment and how they will do goes, that remains to be seen.

Quote - You need not be concerned about receiving updates for RDNA products purchased at CP. If an update to a product becomes available you just need to show proof of your purchase and we would be happy to give you a download link.

what sort of "proof of purchase"? Will CP be keeping a record of sales for you and I to reference?

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That's wierd, I was sure I had hit the post reply button.

LadyElf, that's good to know and Thanks, but it still doesn't help with email notifications. Now It's check that link all the time incase there is an update. As I said, it's a hassle now.

For a brokerage house store (not an individual) to be included in Content Paradise, there is an agreement and a percentage of course.

The merchants of each store have their percentage, then brokerage and Cp must settle up the rest.

All agreements start and have a renegotiation date in my experience. Rendo and RDNA joined CP around the same time. It makes perfect sense the agreements may end at the same time.

CP was unique in that it accepted store brokerages. All other Poser stores have always only dealt with individual merchants.

In my experience, a venture with three percentage splits is always destined for termination by one of the parties.

I do know that  CP was always extrememly generous with Rendo and RDNA. Noone should see this as a bad move on CP's part, unless you equally see it as bad that Daz doesn't host Renderosity's entire store on their site as well.

Does anyone know if it was RDNA and Renderosity who opted not to renew the contracts?

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Quote - > Quote - You need not be concerned about receiving updates for RDNA products purchased at CP. If an update to a product becomes available you just need to show proof of your purchase and we would be happy to give you a download link.

what sort of "proof of purchase"? Will CP be keeping a record of sales for you and I to reference?

Hi Tyger,

You need to make sure you have copies of your email receipts, showing your purchase number and what purchases you have. Doing screen captures of your account screen showing purchases would be a good idea also.

Have no idea what CP will be keeping a record of, that would be a question only CP could answer.  I would presume that all of your purchase history is going to remain in tact, I don't know why it would be any other way.

If you have further concerns, you can site mail any of the admin at RDNA or post a question over in the Site and Contact forum.

Hope that helps :)

Account History will remain at CP. You can export your complete History to Spread Sheet using the Export Button in the Full Order History at CP.

ratscloset
aka John

Thanks ratcloset.

That's good and important to know.

Eternal Hobbyist

 

Quote - > Quote - Ah, didn't know VP was bigger than I'd thought; my apologies. Now for a question: when's their contract w/ CP come due?

Now that's an interesting question. The contract is between Vanishing Point and Content Paradise. Beyond the fact that VP will continue to sell at CP, why are the details of the contract anyone else's business?

No business of mine, just a curiousity. As far as the contract, it usually carries over w/ the purchase - they have to honor it (but not renew it, which is why I was asking :) ). -- Anton - you've encapsulated part of what I was thinking perfectly... stores usually don't carry other stores, but individuals they will. > Quote - Does anyone know if it was RDNA and Renderosity who opted not to renew the contracts?

Neither party will say - it ain't good PR. OTOH, I still think there are changes afoot that will mean a stronger SM (which they have a fiducary duty to do as a publicly traded corp), even if it means a weaker 'everybody else' in the process. While I don't see DAZ affected (CP still carries accessories for DAZ goods built by third parties), I can see Rendo and RDNA being affected by the smaller potential customer base. /P

Quote - While I don't see DAZ affected (CP still carries accessories for DAZ goods built by third parties), I can see Rendo and RDNA being affected by the smaller potential customer base. /P

Don't think they will be much affected. From what I've read so far those people who usually bought Renderosity or RDNA products through CP will now buy it directly from this stores. I think the only one loosing out here will be CP in the long run and to be honest that is nothing I'm going to worry about ;-)

Every organisation rests upon a mountain of secrets ~ Julian Assange

Agreed, for those who have Poser now... ...but future customers will get exposed to the CP first via the "content" tab, promotional materials that accompany the software, etc.

Yes, they will get exposed first to CP but most everyone has found their way around different sites sooner or later. So I'm sure once they've found out there is life beyond CP they will do what everyone did before them ... go and buy somewhere else as well ;-)

Edit: because when they click on New releases and will find clothes and pose sets for figures that are not sold at CP they will go and ask where those figures are available and that will lead them to DAZ, in the DAZ forum someone might mention Renderosity or RDNA or any other site out there ... It should not take very long for newbies to find all the different sites.

Every organisation rests upon a mountain of secrets ~ Julian Assange

Quote - Puntomaus: 'It should not take very long for newbies to find all the different sites.'

Yup.

to be honest, i think you're both wrong.  from what i've seen watching college students learn to use Poser (several years watching a course) and what i've seen around the net by Poser users from outside the community,  i think most people move on to making their own stuff before looking at the content tab or searching for other content.  and just to say, i think the assumption that the tab would be more relevant than the communities ignores what i find to be basic net practice.  whenever i'm learning anything new tech or app wise (but not in a course), i almost never look at the manual.  i look up stuff online.  and from what i know of other people and the conversations i encounter in these places, lots of other users do, too.  i came to Renderosity not for content, but theory.  i found most of the stores the same way. when i Googled specific topics, i ended up here, RDNA and DAZ.  and then i poked around the sites, because i was learning about the app in general.

i think more people will look up how to use the material room or conform clothing than will consider the "Content" tab as a way to buy stuff.   frankly, that label and the practice at all assumes people think of things in a way that, as far as i've seen from people learning Poser, they just don't until their indoctrinated. 

Well, there is an article here that suggests that the percentage CP was willing to extend to rendo (and probably RDNA as well) was insufficient for them to profit from sales there (and potentially be a loss). This supports Anton's point, which makes the most sense.

I see it as a good thing, though. I love the artists at RDNA, but I don't have any interest in the figures from CP, so maybe now they will release stuff for the figures I like more regularly! Woohoo! If I were RDNA, I would withdraw sales supporting those figures just out of spite, lol. Without morph targets, people would have to learn how to work the morph brush and face room...and most folks wouldn't have the patience and interest-and quickly move on to more generally useful figures available elsewhere. RDNA had a close relationship with CP and the folks at SM should have been more careful with that particular relationship.

And, from what I got out of the article about their stock value, the analyst downgraded their target value from 20 to 12 (or something along those lines). In other words, he thinks they lost a lot of value, but are still performing at below their value. This loss was due to the verizon deal-which is completely irrelevant to us, unless it really does tank them, and cause them to start selling off assets to survive.

It is an interesting time to be in poser land....and who knows whose portfolio the little red running man ball will be bouncing in in the coming years, lol.

Quote - to be honest, i think you're both wrong.  from what i've seen watching college students learn to use Poser (several years watching a course) and what i've seen around the net by Poser users from outside the community,  i think most people move on to making their own stuff before looking at the content tab or searching for other content.

It's more than just the Content tab, though. The user manuals, the marketing materials, and a whole host of other factors come into play. Long story short, the CP gets top (and first) billing. Also, yep... folks will eventually find all the other sites. OTOH, it's not a question of knowing the existence of something, but having first crack at the customers. Take, oh, paint programs. Show of hands: How many non-gfx people do you think have heard of Photoshop? Okay... hands down. Now... how many would know of Paint Shop Pro? Not so many... Now GIMP? Even less, eh? Same story here... if you can get to the customer first, your name gets bigger, you get top priority, and you have the best shot at making the most profits. Now this wouldn't ever be consistently true, nor is it guaranteed. But... you do stand the best and first chance of making it happen if its your name they hear about first. /P

Quote - Well, there is an article here that suggests that the percentage CP was willing to extend to rendo (and probably RDNA as well) was insufficient for them to profit from sales there (and potentially be a loss). This supports Anton's point, which makes the most sense.

I see it as a good thing, though. I love the artists at RDNA, but I don't have any interest in the figures from CP, so maybe now they will release stuff for the figures I like more regularly!

Agreed - it will force diversity. > Quote - RDNA had a close relationship with CP and the folks at SM should have been more careful with that particular relationship.

I don't think the relationship will change by too much, at least not at this time. You don't turn down money when it comes in big enough packages. > Quote - And, from what I got out of the article about their stock value, the analyst downgraded their target value from 20 to 12 (or something along those lines). In other words, he thinks they lost a lot of value, but are still performing at below their value.

Agreed. It will also explain any aggression that arises. /P