gonna have to flag this violence, cause god damnit, im getting violent.

BLANK SCENE. and i cant even delete the left default poser light without it locking up.

OpenGL mode is pretty much toast. If i try to use it at all, it crashes. I've used 5 different driver versions.

I've uninstalled and reinstalled poser 4 times.

ive run my stupid scan disk, i've defragged, and virus scanned.

just come to the conclusion this program is a piece of shit anymore and i'll be damned if i buy the stupid upgrade to it in hopes that it runs better.

anyone else have one hell of a time with this clunk of junk? and manage to get it working? i mean, i know its a cheap program and all compared to other renderers but jesus freaking christ. this is unusable.

'is it just me, or does Poser7 suck really F*cking bad.'

It's just you.
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DPH is right.. it's you.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

You do have SR1 installed, don't you?

And yes, many users have reported various problems but most of 'em relate to running on Vista (hawk, spit) AFAIK.

Me, I'm still using P6.  :biggrin:

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And, everyone laughs when I tell them P5 works likes a charm for me. LOL.

P5, is supposed to be the most buggy version?!?

NOT so I say! ;)

Um.. P7 is on sr2 now, Sam. ;)

and P7's running fine here on vista 64.

I'm guessing... no sr2 patch, and ati video card, most current drivers (or drivers going back to dec last year.)

Both known to create issues.

(And you get the latest sr patch from smth micro's website, once you register there and provide your serial number.)

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

Yea, 20 patches later and you might be able to get Poser 7 to run. lol.

running sr2  - but even without an SR installed i still lock up trying to delete 1 light
nvidia 8800GTS
driver version 169.21 - suggested on the smithmicro website, even went older, and newer to 174.20

windows XP pro
4 gigs of ram
/3gb switch ON

ALL i do on my pc is poser photoshop + a video game.

all chatting, browsing, downloading EVERYTHING internet related is done on my mac. ( take that you bitch ass scriptkiddies infecting websites :P )

seriously. i take good care of my system. i defrag regularly and make sure its not infected with anything.

when i run poser, i dont have ANYTHING else open. i dont browse the net, or chat, or play minesweeper or anything. Poser + advanced library is the only thing open. but anymore i dont even get to open advanced library before im ready to pull a shotgun out and blast my monitor away cause poser is not responding.

Make sure you have Poser 6 SR3 or Poser 7 SR2.1 installed, depending on whether you are using Poser 6 or Poser 7 respectively.

Make sure you have the content updaters installed.

You can get these through your account at http://graphics.smithmicro.com

Make sure your computer meets all the system requirements for using Poser.

If using a Windows OS, decrease hardware acceleration a notch or two under Display | Settings | Advance | Troubleshoot.

If using nVidia graphics accelerator card, switch off anisotropic, texture filttering and all other special effects for your card, using the nVidia management software.

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 oh my gosh, infinity10, first time i've heard the suggestions about anisotropic filtering stuff.

if this works, im sending you cookies....

after i re re re reinstall poser.

Also, above all, make sure that you have the most recent video drivers for your card.

drivers couldn't be possibly more up to date :/ did that already 

 i have a question though

i use minimal install for Poser7 and I dont ever use the P7 characters, do I need these content updates or am i ok just running the sr2.1?

reinstalling now. should know in a couple minutes whether or not the ansiblahblah settings worked or not.

 well i guess i get a clean runtime.

for some reason add/remove decided to delete my runtime. I tried restoring back to yesterday and all it gave me was empty folders.

i cannot get ahead in this game for nothing.

vex, it's not just you.  I've heard one report that it don't work too good on an intel box
running OS X, but mostly it works o.k. for most people.  as in the case where the OS itself
is unstable for some users, the issue may be caused by some hardware problem.  RAM,
graphics card, et al.

Quote - windows XP pro
4 gigs of ram
/3gb switch ON

Have you tried turning off the /3gb option? With graphics cards that have lots of RAM (and it sounds like you have one) it can cause driver problems (see http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2004/08/06/209840.aspx). Since you have more physical RAM than a 32bit Windows version can use anyway, may I suggest a 64bit version of Windows?

I'm using Vista 32-bit, no issues with Poser.  I did not use the Nvidia drivers from the site, I used the ones from Windows Update.  For some reason I don't have shader 2.0 support using those but monitor scaling is working perfectly and I do play some OLD games, so I'm not changing things.

I flip flop sometimes between that and XP and yes, the drivers make a lot of difference.  The drivers are a crap shoot sometimes.  Nvidia adds things, breaks other things...

Now, when I was on XP and using the latest nvidia drivers, I had to turn Threaded Optimization off for Poser (in the display control panel and make a profile for Poser) because otherwise it would get crashy.

However, I'm not having a problem with Threaded Optimization in Vista with the Windows Update drivers... It's a weird thing.  LOL!  For me, Vista has been more stable in a lot of regards.  I do also de-fang a lot Vista crappage:  turning off or limiting UAC, indexing off (no use to me as I stay organized and don't search a lot), etc.

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> Quote - Um.. P7 is on sr2 now, Sam. ;) > > and P7's running fine here on vista 64. > > I'm guessing... no sr2 patch, and ati video card, most current drivers (or drivers going back to dec last year.) > > Both known to create issues. > > (And you get the latest sr patch from smth micro's website, once you register there and provide your serial number.)

Ah, well, as I said, I have P6.  :)

Anyhow...

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im still reinstalling my runtime shakes angry fist

found a lot of crap i had forgotten about - namely hair. and got sidetracked checking to see if all those settings fixed my issue.

I admit, I am scared to go 64bit cause I dont know what all will break if I do. I have enough issues running 32bit.

Supposedly 32bit can use exactly 4gigs of ram. some of it gets reserved before windows boots up so it won't ever list that you have 4 gigs of ram, at most i think it was 3.25, but its been awhile since i read that.

I've got this thread bookmarked. If what Infinity suggested doesn't work, i'll go down the line and try what else has been suggested.

thanks all for listening to my bitchfest!

 so far - it looks like creating a custom profile for poser and turning everything that can be turned off - off- for my video settings has worked. but we'll see i guess.

i seem to be having similar problems , both p6 and 7  lock up on my  machine . when running under open GL .. ,sreeD works fine . but is dead slow , both p6 and 7 are up to date with
service packs
i have a XFX geoforce 8800 GT  512 with the most up to date drivers i could find
core 2duo 3GHZ
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Quote - Also, above all, make sure that you have the most recent video drivers for your card.

  Maybe that is exactly the problem .My Poser 7 crashes as soon I load Sydney and rotade the camera.It never did before.It crashes since I installed the newest nvidea driver.(just the timing -It doesn't need to be the reason)---win XP P7SR 2.1-1 .

I agree somewhat with the OP but you have to realize that poser is not a professional level application.  It's more of a mom & pop operation software. Hopefully poser pro will close the gap between intermediate and professional.

I've been running P7 for, what, a year now? No crashes, only the occasional memory hiccup.

Sorry, dude, but it seems to be you. P7 is the most stable thing I've seen in this line up since P4, and P4 was almost rock solid.

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Artdude - I created a profile under my "manage 3d settings" for Poser in my video card settings ( i run 8800GTS ) setting everything "off" that has an "off" option has stopped my crashes so far. I too was using SreeD and crying cause of the severe lag it gave me while working in preview mode. I suggest you try this. and pass some cookies to infinity for the suggestion.

Poser hasn't crashed on me yet again, and I was successful at deleting the lights without a hitch.

crossing fingers - i was/am really close to calling it quits with this mess. I would hate to make a god awful amount of purchased content go to waste but I hate spending my days pissed off at a stupid program. lol

No Vexi, it's not just you. I suspect it's prolly your graphics card. I have one in my new machine and it caused endless crashing in P7. I had to switch to sree3d to stop it from crashing all the time. It is a known problem that affects some machines and not others, as an awful lot of bugs seem to be.

For all of you that have not had any problems, great, fantastic, glad you're happy. I was one of the lucky ones that never had any probs with poser. All versions (except 5 which I passed on) have run really smoothly on my various machines until my new computer. As I said, nothing but problems with poser. However, I knew better than to ask here about it because of the barrage of  "it's not poser, it's you", "go out and buy a new OS", "Use Daz studio instead", "It all works fine on my machine therefore you're an idiot/at fault in some way shape or form" comments that always accompany such threads.

Vexi, if you find a solution to your problems let me know. I hate not being able to use opengl in poser. Good luck :)

I'm running poser 7 on an external usb2 hard drive so I can move it from one computer to another.
mostly I use it to make animated scenes with a laptop, and then render with a desktop.
(it's a hobby)

I've had it hooked to a P3 @ 1.7Gig CPU with 2Gig Mem and 32Bit Vid running XP home.
and it works fine.

the only time I ever had a problem was with Vista (shudder)

sean, when you say "no crashes" in regard to poser 7, but there are no poser renders
in yer gallery here, is that because you don't wish to post images here?  I assume it's
not because poser 7 is too unstable to produce any renders.

Things to look out for:
1, DISABLE File compression

2. DISABLE External Binary Morph Targets
3. UNDO/REDO levels not more than 3 to 5
4. Install all SR's.
5. DISABLE "Universal Poses"
6. Some graphic cards/settings make Poser cry.
   Check your preview settings under render options.
   "Hardware shading" and "enable multilayer transparency" are huge memory hogs.

Finally some new drivers can be the culprit and some types of graphic cards just don't play well with Poser no matter what.

Working on a measly ACER 512mb Laptop here.
Right out of the box P7 was crash heaven especially while using the MorphBrush and magnets.
But after the latest SRs and tweaking some settings it's as stable as P4 and performs miles better than P5 or P6 ever did.

Sounds like driver settings were causing the issues, so it's not you, it's your video card. When you get time, you should document everything you had to turn off to make things run stable, and then post that here for reference to others.

Miss Nancy, Sean usually posts renders at poser pros (gone) and RDNA.

Seems both ati and nvidia are getting a nack for breaking more then they fix with driver updates in the last year.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

When I was using the 169.21 Nvidia drivers, Poser would crash almost immediately after start-up.

Reverting to the 163.75 made it very stable again.

I have a 7950GT card.

Not saying it has anything to do with your situation, as you obviously have tried various drivers, but in my specific case, the driver was all important. Maybe useful info to others that read this thread.

Oh and this is with P7.

Again, try turning off Threaded Optimization and go from there... turning off things as you need to from a Poser profile.  Turning it all off is probably the safest way but you might be able to eek out a bit more performance if you find the setting or settings that's causing it.

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It's NOT you. P7 has been a difficult installation for me. Even after 4 years of reinstalls and various Sr's. Downdating the Nvidia driver helped me.

Here's another opton which really helped me when I had a lot of trouble with P7 ~ http://graphics.smithmicro.com/article/articleview/1761/1/858/

HTH!

It does not seem to render as well as Poser 6. Cannot get any decent jpeg's out of it either. But I love the morph brush.

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Hi vexiphne,

You may have other programs and different version of patches installed that affected running of Poser 7.
Try formatting the harddisk  is possible and just installed Windows, display or printer drivers.
Then just installing Poser 7 to see if your problems persist.

:)

I have a similar problem with Poser 7, the program sometimes just closes, no error messages or anything, it just closes, my computer has the following specs: ATI Power Color 9250 video card with 128MB, 2GB of RAM, Intel Celeron 2.8Ghz. WIN XP SP2.

The thing i don't like about Poser 7 is that, if you have missing .obj and the program asks you to go find them, if you can find the it stops responding (i had to wipe my HD a few weeks ago, i had to reinstall all my Runtime folder, thing is i have a few missing libraries =/ so when i try to open a scene i did with a missing .obj the program crashes >.< ... I don't remember Poser 6 doing that)

Who finds a friend finds a treasure!

quite a few issues with nvidia card display drivers, its not poser its the graphics card drivers and has actually been an issue with a number of nvidia cards since 2005.. one they dont seem to be addressing.

If you let poser jam up and crash often enough you may eventually get a bsod with an error message relating to NV4_Disp.dll being stuck in an inifinite loop

Google NV4_Disp Infinite loop 8800GTS - quite a lot of reading there mostly to do with ppl having probs gaming.. but affects a lot of 3d stuff and not just games.

In poser itself... under preview render settings, change it from OpenGL to SreeD, has worked sucessfully on a couple of friends machines who were having similar nightmares, same os setup re windows n 4GB ram with 3GB switch on etc but different nvidia cards to what you are using

well I stopped the video crashing by doing the video profile with disabling everything.

But it still locks up while browsing for a texture ( new thing ) and is doing the lockup when the render finishes but the progress dialog doesn't go away. forcing me to quit out and lose my render.
formatting is out of the question. If i can't run poser with my computer then I'll just stop using it.

There has to be acombination of driver settings that will work for you. I just don;t get how drivers could all be fine for both nvidia and ati last summer, but now BOTH compaines are having so many issues with them.

Lightwave is screwed up here somewhat with the latest ati drivers for the last 5 months as well, and Unreal Tournamnet 3 has had no END of user compaints about issues with both nvidia drivers and ati drivers, across platforms.

The hardware is imporving, but man, the software is getting screwed up something bad.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

"But it still locks up while browsing for a texture ( new thing ) and is doing the lockup when the render finishes but the progress dialog doesn't go away. forcing me to quit out and lose my render". This is where I'm having trouble. Upping the driver to 169.21 fixes the lockups for me. (progress windows that never finish.. etc) Dropping down to 165.45 fixes the search issues for me. Seems my P6 content (figures, cr2s) are causing havoc. Too little time to sort it out. Post your fixes, if you don't mind

Is a 'fix' listed on Nvidia forums for a range of problems the drivers have been causing ppl.. dunno if its worth trying or not.. seems to have helped some ppls probs n others not had any luck with it..

If nothing else their recommended 3d settings might help?

forums.nvidia.com/lofiversion/index.php

One thought that no one mentioned--your game on the poser PC.  Besides the obvious things that everyone else mentioned--different BIZARRE things like other programs can cause poser problems!

In example: My own experience with Poser 7.  It was rock solid until I updated Quicktime player, and later added Adobe acrobat at some level.  Then the dread Poser 7 crashes and lock-ups started happening.  I did all the updates.  Nothing at ALL worked in poser. Renders wouldn't finish, moving some models caused crash to desktop, and sometimes it would just crash, period.

I uninstalled all Adobe products, and killed Quicktime, and it's rock-solid for me!  WTF?  I don't know why it worked.  All I do know that it worked.  I learned that some programs run processes in the background even when turned off.

In windows , before you start Poser 7, hit the ctrl+alt+delete and click on processes tab to see what all is actually doing things. Start poser and try some trials and watch the Taskmaster window and see what happens.  After it crashes, you can go to the Control Panel, Adminstrative Tools, Event Viewer and look at what it says around the poser crash.

Windows Update might be buggering you.  There are SO MANY different things that MIGHT bugger you, it might take some experimenting to find the most stable performance situation.

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I've had no problems with P7 on Vista (Home Premium) other than that I switched off OpenGL and went to Sreed instead, because it was just totally awful on OpenGL.
It doesn't hang anymore now.

OH!

Reduce the number of "multiple undos' because it sucks up a lot of processnig time if it's left to umm yes.. high-ish numbers. I think I set mine to 10 and it worked ok.
Maybe try that, if no one suggested it yet?

Silke

If the game doesn't use opengl, odds are it wouldn't mess with those settings or drivers at all.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

I've had almost no issues with Poser 7, and the one issue I did have dealt with silly me forgetting to shut off auto updates when I changed settings.  WinBLOWS updated with their drivers, and it messed me up.

I normally run Omega or other drivers not always approved by MicroSUCK.

I run a machine with xp64, nVidia 7600 GT paired in sli mode, Intel core2 duo chipset, with 4 gig ram(soon to be upgraded).

Also I use a system with xp pro sp2, an antiquated aTi Xtasy card, an AMD chipset, and 2 gig of ram.

I also run off of a Dell Latitude d800 laptop with 768 mb ram(xp pro).

Does sreed run cleaner?  I don't mind waiting for a nice render(I've had practice, I use Vue 6 Infinite, and often have to wait up to eight hours for a render) if it's more crisp than open GL.

Don't give up on Poser.  It would be a shame, as I think some of your work is brilliant.  I hope you can fix your issues.

I have entered with Poser 7, so I can not compare previous issues, but I also bought P6 as Valentynes bargain for free ($5 coupon) about six weeks ago.

I use the Nvidia GeForce 7600 GS (512 MB RAM DDR 2) and I have 2GB of RAM (DDR2). I never bother about upgrading of display drivers and Poser works fine. Not as fast as I wish but it is working fine. Maybe I am just lucky.

Sometimes programs can frustrate you endlessly. Three weeks ago I tried unsuccessfully to link to gmail with Outlook 2003 but after a holiday of 9 days everything works fine. Maybe I was spending too must time with my PC and she got bored of felt crowded / confined. LOL.

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OK,, I've expelled all of my old Geometry and Textures out of P7 main runtime. After a reinstall it seems to have shed the infinite loop... this with the latest 169.21 driver.

for me P7 would just close, with no error messages... about every other week lol; so it works for a week, then next week it closes, but ONLY on certain PZ3's or Cr2's it seems to know EXACTLY what i need to be working on and only crash for those files :D

today i changed the "accumulation buffer" in render settings from software to hardware.  and the same file that crashed 10 times in a row in my test, now didn't crash... so maybe i'm on to something?

this week anyway...

i have an 8600 GTS SLI configuration, Xp x64, 8GB ram, and the intel quad QX6850

running 174.74 grom Guru3D.com - after creating a profile for poser in my nvidia settings and turning everything "off" ( if no off option available just leaving default )

this has cured the crash to desktop with no errors.

Every now and then I get conform-lockup or light delete-lockup. but rebooting fixes it. I can only surmise that P7 SR2.1 has a memory leak!

o.k. in my case the 169.21-driver was the problem.I went back to an older driver and poser is stable again.

Sometimes you just never know what it's going to be.  Way back in the days of Illustrator 5, it would crash on Macs because the wrong font was being used by the system software for desktop icons: go figure that one.

With Poser, the last major thing I can remember that caused a crash was the first release of 3DU's Toon Dragon, that somehow got through DAZ testing with the front camera locked into the cr2 in such a way that it made almost impossible to delete the character without having Poser crashing. It had nothing to do with the program, just the character mesh itself and how it went into the program.

Just for myself, I find P7 to be one of the most stable in a long, long time. I currently run it on three different Macs, all with different systrem software, and I've not had a bit of trouble, aside from the crashes that come when I try to load in too many texture choices and forget to do an occasional reload just to clean things out.

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I do not have any problems with it crashing but I cannot get any good quality jpg's when I save a render in that format.  Also it seems to me that P6 had much higher quality renders,  I may not be setting things up right.  I am used to P6 so that's what I use most except for working on morphs, then P7 is better, it seems to work much better with the morphs I create in Zbrush.  Half the time P6 would explode the body part instead of doing the morph, and P7 handles them just fine.

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switching from OpenGL to sreeD seems to have definitely fixed the crashing for me; heck i can even change it back once i get going- i just have to remember to change it to sreeD before i close poser, or next time i start poser will probably crash as soon as i load a figure

have to agree with you there darkworld . ive got that exact same issue
. sreeD for me is  stable but  extremely slow .
also once the scene gets going  however . i can switch to open GL .
but once poser closes and reopens with open GL  it crashes continuously . until i switch back to sreeD.....
very annoying indeed

yes!  but hey... we win!  that's worth a lot as far as i'm concerned, sometimes working with poser feels like playing a grandmaster at chess when i suck...

im all smiles, i don't care about SreeD (which actually looks really hot, but as you say is slower) since i can switch back to OpenGL ;)

just remember to tun on sreeD before you load up your first project and you're good to go- and like you i can switch it back to OpenGL pretty much immediately; i can even load new figures after that point; but on starting poser it better be sreeD

really weird... but figuring out the bug?  priceless

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anyone else have one hell of a time with this clunk of junk? and manage to get it working? i mean, i know its a cheap program and all compared to other renderers but jesus freaking christ. this is unusable.

I've used every version since 4 and have had the fewest problems with the latest SR of 7 than with any version since 4.  I had problems with it at first, but almost all of them seem to be fixed (or I subconsciously work around them now).

believe me,it's the nVidea 169.21-driver.Revert to a previous and Poser runs without crashes.

i've used poser since Poser 1, and actually to be honest there were less bugs in poser 1 lol; but that's not really fair because the 3D characters just bounced off your processor back then; it was sort of a little novelty program and now its a giant resource hog.

still works great for me, but yeah with the micro-price compared to ANY 3D app on the market, you do get what you pay for =P

i've tried D|S too but i just can't get it to move as quickly as poser, and since speed is king i had to switch back

I gave up on P7 for animating because it would close itself without rhyme or reason, whereas P5 keeps on truckin' along.  Maybe I'll check my video card drivers and try the Scree thing instead of OpenGL, or maybe I'll just keep on using P5 (sigh...)....

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In a german forum I could help someone with the tip: Clear Poser´s cash ;-)
Poser7 only deletes 2 of it´s 3 cashes by itself.

Quote - If using nVidia graphics accelerator card, switch off anisotropic, texture filttering and all other special effects for your card, using the nVidia management software.

Thank you for this fix, it has been a sanity saver, nothing I tried worked & lasted until this.

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Quote - I do not have any problems with it crashing but I cannot get any good quality jpg's when I save a render in that format.  Also it seems to me that P6 had much higher quality renders,  I may not be setting things up right.

It is just as well to save output in a loss-less format like TIF.  Lately I've been reasonably happy with render output quality, although granted it can be pretty hit or miss at times.

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I am in constant contact with tech support at Poser.  I don't know anything about complex graphics driver problems, but thier #1 response to most problems is, "did you delete the poser preference files"?

On my computer it's in:  documents and settings / user / application data / poser 7

just delete any the preference and configeration files in this folder and you may eleminate any weird settings poser has saved.

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