enigmafox opened this issue on Mar 31, 2008 ยท 16 posts
enigmafox posted Mon, 31 March 2008 at 2:17 PM
His latest work using poser or so he claims that he uses only poser
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDTPDSkmOw4
Opinions?
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aeilkema posted Mon, 31 March 2008 at 3:26 PM
Very obvious that poser wasn't the only thing used for this production, where does he claim that?
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jonthecelt posted Mon, 31 March 2008 at 3:27 PM
Not sure what you're trying to say here, enigmafox... are you suggesting his claims are false? why would he do that? I'll confess, I've not seen the entire thing just yet, but I've had a little look at parts of it and I don't see anything to suggest it was done elsewhere.
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ghonma posted Mon, 31 March 2008 at 3:28 PM
Where does he say he uses poser ?
ghonma posted Mon, 31 March 2008 at 4:01 PM
Oh ok, he mentions it in the credits of his other videos.
And looking at the guy's deviantart, the stills at least sure as hell look like poser renders:
http://montyoum.deviantart.com/
The videos also have that typical frame by frame jerky motion so typical of poser animation. You don't see it at first cause they're all moving so fast, but it's quite visible after watching a few times. I think i even saw good old joint flipping in a few places LOL.
Ah well at least the guy's trying something different so kudos to him...
bopperthijs posted Mon, 31 March 2008 at 6:11 PM
There's absolutely no way this has been done in Poser, or this guy must been a magician, has the time and the patience of a monk, and must be a masochist.
-I've never seen any of those special effects, like explosions, light bolts, lightning and deathrays done in poser. For these special effects, you need at least a particle system, which isn't (yet) available in poser. There are some special effects in the MP, but those are mainly for postwork or stills.
-making a movie of this length in Poser, with the various figures, cloths, animations will take several years fulltime for one person to accomplish this, the rendering time alone would take months, even with a top of the bill computer.
-If I see how many models are used in some animations and the amount of clothsimulations that have been used, Poser must have been crashed a thousand times at least. Any normal person would have quit and thrown the computer out of the window.
-all the buildings and the terrain and their textures cannot been made in poser, so those must have been in an external modeller.
Perhaps in a near future with Poser 17 sr3.4, on a 256bit, 64core computer this would be possible, but now... No way.
Oh shoot, it's 1 april.
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pakled posted Tue, 01 April 2008 at 6:14 AM
I dunno..it reminds me of Mortal Kombat for some reason...;) All I could think of is they'd need oxygen masks if they were falling from the altitude they started at...;)
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enigmafox posted Thu, 03 April 2008 at 4:31 PM
I'll keep an open mind, Never called him a liar or anything but i am just curious and his work is great!
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stormchaser posted Thu, 03 April 2008 at 6:04 PM
I seriously doubt it was done in Poser.
But heck, what a cool short movie!!
jerr3d posted Thu, 03 April 2008 at 6:23 PM
i almost wonder if he hacked game models from the repective games and animated them in some other app. besides, i dont see how one person could do all that animation, unless they worked on it for about a year, with no sleep, have six arms and 2 brains!
enigmafox posted Thu, 03 April 2008 at 8:20 PM
Quote - i almost wonder if he hacked game models from the repective games and animated them in some other app. besides, i dont see how one person could do all that animation, unless they worked on it for about a year, with no sleep, have six arms and 2 brains!
6 Months to be exact, and lots and lots of coffee, he had a bit of help of course. He was the one who inspired me to get into poser.
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EricJ posted Fri, 04 April 2008 at 1:50 AM
Quote - -I've never seen any of those special effects, like explosions, light bolts, lightning and deathrays done in poser. For these special effects, you need at least a particle system, which isn't (yet) available in poser. There are some special effects in the MP, but those are mainly for postwork or stills.
SeanMartin posted Fri, 04 April 2008 at 5:36 AM
Well, it could be done inside Poser, with a lot of pre-planning -- and I mean a lot of pre-planning -- to make the explosions work the way they do.
But I gave up on it after about a minute and a half: a bunch of chicks beating each other up. Wow. To think he wasted all that creation time on something so dazzlingly original and then felt our lives would be better for having seen it. That alone makes me think that, no, he had outside help on this one because, to be terribly blunt about it, if this is how original he thinks, there's no way he'd ever look outside the Poser toolbox to figure out the mechanics of the rest of it.
On a mechanical level, nice piece of work, a 9.0 for technical expertise. But it's a 3.1 on artistic merit.
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enigmafox posted Fri, 04 April 2008 at 11:49 AM
Quote - Well, it could be done inside Poser, with a lot of pre-planning -- and I mean a lot of pre-planning -- to make the explosions work the way they do.
But I gave up on it after about a minute and a half: a bunch of chicks beating each other up. Wow. To think he wasted all that creation time on something so dazzlingly original and then felt our lives would be better for having seen it. That alone makes me think that, no, he had outside help on this one because, to be terribly blunt about it, if this is how original he thinks, there's no way he'd ever look outside the Poser toolbox to figure out the mechanics of the rest of it.
On a mechanical level, nice piece of work, a 9.0 for technical expertise. But it's a 3.1 on artistic merit.
Whoa! someone is a critic. But I do believe this was made for a specified audience.
Not everyone will like it of course.
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bopperthijs posted Fri, 04 April 2008 at 11:51 AM
-Ok, I missed that, but I'm still sceptic!
Bopper.
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SeanMartin posted Fri, 04 April 2008 at 2:54 PM
>> Whoa! someone is a critic.
:: shrug :: World's full of them. But he was kinda asking for it, IMHO. :-)
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