Hi!. I need a werewolf. The biggest,  the meanest, the coolest !!
Do you know where can i find it?... For MIchael3 or Apollo!!... not V3 or 4...

Could be expensive, could be cheap, or even free! i wouldn't mind...
But it has to be COOL! !!!!!!!!! PLEASE!

Thanks!

AJ

Artist @ajmarti.com

define 'coolness'...;) I know there's one out there, because I downloaded the texture (then found out I didn't have the base figure...even now I do that...;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)

Quote - Hi!. I need a werewolf. The biggest,  the meanest, the coolest !!
Do you know where can i find it?... For MIchael3 or Apollo!!... not V3 or 4...

Could be expensive, could be cheap, or even free! i wouldn't mind...
But it has to be COOL! !!!!!!!!! PLEASE!

Thanks!

AJ

How about Free?

Carodan's Apollo Freebies
http://carodan.blackraven3d.com/

Lower lefthand corner

"That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves."
Thomas Jefferson

Is Sixus1's Lycanthrope no longer available?

LOL.. Pakled i supposed the coolest has become the cheapest now! LOL !

Thank you so much Mariner!.!! Couldn't be BETTER!
Thank you guys!!!

AJ

Artist @ajmarti.com

Look at Daz- a couple weeks ago it was there newsletter freebee. Still sitting on my desktop unopened.

Werewolf_2_The_Garou.zip

hmm..may have to download it meself...;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)

Cool! Thank you Geoegress!... i will look for it right now!

AJ

Artist @ajmarti.com

Quote - Look at Daz- a couple weeks ago it was there newsletter freebee. Still sitting on my desktop unopened.

Werewolf_2_The_Garou.zip

DAZ has newsletter freebies? They have store freebies, but I've never seen a newsletter freebie. And I never saw a werewolf.

Sixus 1 had a Garou werewolf, though.

-- Jeff

ahh- ok :)

Are you sure that was a Daz one? I've never seen that Werewolf thing you listed. And theirs don't tend to be zips.

Silke

neither do i.!!.... Daz doesnt seems to have any other werewolf!!

AJ

Artist @ajmarti.com

Quote - Are you sure that was a Daz one? I've never seen that Werewolf thing you listed. And theirs don't tend to be zips.

And the Name certainly sounds like it is a Sixus1 creation.

"That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves."
Thomas Jefferson

Horde by SanctumArts hands down the best werewold creature out there for poser.

http://www.sanctumart.com/

DAZ does have a werewolf series.  Lycanthropos.  Link:
http://www.daz3d.com/i/3d-models/-/night-world-lycanthropos?item=7542&spmeta=rq&_m=d

Adam Thwaite also has a werewolf at his Most Digital site.

Sixus1 produces morphs/addons for the G2 figures over at CP and there is also gunther; toon wolf

...

**Mestophales,
**
Thats about the best one I've ever seen. Where can we get it at?

"The Blood is the life!"

 

Mestophales,

Need any testers? LOL

"The Blood is the life!"

 

Actually I will - and I will send you an email as soon as it is rigged

Sixus1 has their freebies at ShareCG now.  I'm sorry, but I don't have the link handy.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

http://www.sharecg.com/pf/Sixus1Media?PSID=ca2745414fae35afea4c5ef23f3bab30

Here is the link to their free stuff.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

That's an excellent werewolf! Can't wait until it's available! What program did you model him in?

"A lonely climber walks a tightrope to where dreams are born and never die!" - Billy Thorpe, song: Edge of Madness, album: East of Eden's Gate

Weapons of choice:

Poser Pro 2012, SR2, Paintshop Pro 8

 

 

wow- seriously impressive :)

Mestophales you have created a MONSTER!  I hope he will be cheaper than the seventy dollar one from Sanctum Arts.

Free men do not ask permission to bear arms!!

Is there any new or progress on this werewolf figure?

Been watching underworld again is all, and am itching to do some renders with it. LOL

"The Blood is the life!"

 

Cool, thanks mestophales.

"The Blood is the life!"

 

www.daz3d.com/i/3d-models/-/raw-lycans-fox

www.daz3d.com/i/3d-models/-/howler-demon

www.daz3d.com/i/3d-models/-/m3-dawgmen

My Favorites ;)

Rawn

WOW! Outstanding werewolf Mestophales.
cheerio lululee

Yeah it is. I like the way this one looks.

"The Blood is the life!"

 

Just wanted to show you with texture - still working on the hair

sadly the image is 404

Mestophales, he's cool enough without hair or textures. Come on man release em, I've a gift certificate burning a hole in my pocket! LOL

"The Blood is the life!"

 

oh....  wow,this looks incredible, i mean like good lord this kicks sanctums new werewolfs butt quality and price wise. im curious how well you get the morph joints done, and if there is a optional tail.  i wish i could get one, but i have no way to pay for it :( paypal is a big no go for my stupid bank

Swfreeman,

Have you tried or considered a visa green dot card?

It's a credit card, that you load when you purchase it, and can reload at stores, infact you can reload them usually at the store where you initially buy one at.

Since you pay cash for the card, to put money onto the card, it'll only spend what you actually put onto it, but it works like a credit card, so it would allow you to make purchases here I think. My own brother uses such a card for all his purchases online.

I hope this helps you out. If someone else has already suggested this, and it's an option you've already explored, and found you couldn't use, please ignore this post and let me know and I'll see if I can't figure something else out for you. Everyone should be able to shop here at Renderosity! LOL

Regards,

Daidalos

"The Blood is the life!"

 

About the werewolf I was looking a bit more closely at the new wips, does it seem to anyone else that the legs are a little, tiny bit short in relation to the arms and torso or is it just me?

Mestophales,  can you give us any information on the kinds of morphs that will be included if any?

"The Blood is the life!"

 

Quote - Swfreeman,

Have you tried or considered a visa green dot card?

It's a credit card, that you load when you purchase it, and can reload at stores, infact you can reload them usually at the store where you initially buy one at.

Since you pay cash for the card, to put money onto the card, it'll only spend what you actually put onto it, but it works like a credit card, so it would allow you to make purchases here I think. My own brother uses such a card for all his purchases online.

I hope this helps you out. If someone else has already suggested this, and it's an option you've already explored, and found you couldn't use, please ignore this post and let me know and I'll see if I can't figure something else out for you. Everyone should be able to shop here at Renderosity! LOL

Regards,

Daidalos

we do not have those cards where i live, and i dont think my bank would give me a credit card with all the money i still owe them, sometimes i feel i live in some e-comerce 3rd world country, where internet just exists since yesterday.  the only money i have online are those 30usd in my rosity account from selling a few copys of my only store item over the last few years, still way to less to get a payout to paypal...  i think 50usd is the minimum you got to have to get it transfered to paypal.
a suggestion for the marketplace would be to make that account money accessible for payments at the marketplace itself. i kinda dont get why there isnt there still no option for that

Swfreeman,

Have you tried to contact the admins to see if there's not an alternative available for you?

If not, and if you want, I can do so, and make them aware of this thread and your situation.

Perhaps they might have a different suggestion that would work for you.

Regards,

Daidalos

"The Blood is the life!"

 

I second the Horde from http://www.sanctumart.com/ It can also be found at Content Paradise with additional add-on products http://www.contentparadise.com/us/user/search.php?substring=horde

I know the price is high but great figure.

The Manitou will have add-ons by Xurge and additional poses and what not from Devil Dog Studios

Quote - The Manitou will have add-ons by Xurge and additional poses and what not from Devil Dog Studios

Now that is sweet!  Love Xurge's stuff. 

Yep - Haven't seen his stuff yet but I am sure he will outdo himself

Ohhhhhhhhh addons by xurge, now I'm really hooked! The Manitou figure just gets sweeter by the moment it seems.

"The Blood is the life!"

 

Attached Link: werewolf@cp

content paradise has a werewolf on sale for $0.99

You might as well PAY attention, because you can't afford FREE speech

Just a friendly reminder folks.

Posting links to products wich are sold at other sites in the Poser forum is not allowed.

Please do not post such links in the Poser forums anymore.

Thanks,

Daidalos

"The Blood is the life!"

 

My bad must of overlooked that in my TOS refresher course
please remove
ty

however i have seen a werewolf on sale at another site for .99

You might as well PAY attention, because you can't afford FREE speech

There is indeed a werewolf character at DAZ for the price $29,95:
http://www.daz3d.com/i/3d-models/fantasy-scifi-chars/night-world-lycanthropos?item=7542&cat=11&_m=d

Drum roll please. Check it out fellas.

www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php

For my money the Devil Dog Manitou is one @ss kicking figure and I hear it's going to go for a lot less than $70. :)

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http://www.runtimedna.com/mod/bcs/index.php?ViewImage=7722

I just released this at Runtime. He is on sale right now but, I think you want something less toony and more realistic.

Attached Link: Devil Dog Studios


The Manitou is NOW on SALE!!!!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?ViewProduct=67278

I just ordered my copy.  THANKS!!

Free men do not ask permission to bear arms!!

If you like it - please leave me a review!!

OK will do.  I am on the edge of my seat waiting for my download link email.

Free men do not ask permission to bear arms!!

**First render.  Default pose.  I can see I will be up for a while tonight playing around.  I have version 6 and got the std warning about the file being newer than expected, but it opened just fine anyway.  What are the add ons from Xurge?**

Free men do not ask permission to bear arms!!

**In my version six of Poser I am having a problem applying the poses.  I have to wait five minutes for them to apply and they change the camera position ruining my animation of a dancing werewolf.

Ok after further experimentation I am finding that not all the poses will change the camera position and if I keep clicking the ok button with the wristwatch, it will load the poses in about forty seconds.  A small bother for sure and one I can live with.  I believe once I save my own poses back into the pose directory, that all will be OK.  There is certainly nothing wrong that would keep me from buying this again.

Tomorrow I will have to try this in Cararra and DAZ Studio.  I am looking forward to some fun in Puppetmaster and hopefully will be able to make hair grow on him at some point in an animation.
**

Free men do not ask permission to bear arms!!

Xurge has made a fantasy outfit he stated would be out on Sunday (tomorrow)
Midnite Stories has an Ultimate Werewolf Morph set coming out soon. I have a fur and Alternative texture set coming out. We are also coming out with a pose set for it.

I ahd 4 testers ranginf from version 4 & up and Daz Studio and it testec fine. Please let me know if you find anything else I will be happy to do patches or updates as neccessary

This is something I just MUST have. Alas, it must wait until I have money again... Hopefully next Friday.  :)

Hey Chris, can you post some WIP's of the Xurge outfit in progress? I'm dying to see them!

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Quote - Did you know that I have a Devil Dog Studios Group on Art ZOne - I hear there might be some special incentives for group members....I dunno you have to go see.

Cool. Joined immediately.

Why Thank You

Thanks for being right on top of this.  I think it is great.  Have you tested it in the walk designer?  When I tried to do a walk cycle it looked fine in the preview wireframe window, but when I clicked the apply button the only part of the legs that was moving was the feet.

Free men do not ask permission to bear arms!!

My rigger told me it would not work right in the Walk Designer - I will be working to fix this issue and will update you asap

I like what you did overall Mestophales, my one suggestion for your next one is to make the back muscles more noticeable.  I just took a trip to ZBrush Central and saw your post with him and you totally lose the muscles in the Poser renders shown, which is a shame as you did a good job on them as far as I can see in that thread.

wow.  after all that work i think you should take just a little bit more time on his renders. not because you've done an awful job, just because i think your model is so good but the renders don't show all of his detail.  so much is lost from your initial pics to these Poser renders.  i'm tempted to buy him just to try to work on his materials.  just in case it would be helpful for you to know, i would work with my tweaks to bagginsbill's VSS default skin shader and teeth shaders, my default white room setup which uses a flat white IBL and spotlights with bagginsbill's inverse square falloff shader, and if i were feeling really adventurous, try to make a mask to blend a skin shader with one of my hair shaders.

Please note that Renderosity has received a copyright complaint from Sanctum Art that the monster that Mestophales posted is a violation of his. 

Thank you,
Jenifer Carey
Renderosity Vice President
& Copyright Agent

 

I beg to seriously differ!!!!!
There was no violation of copyright and I want to know exactly what he is claiming.

The Manitou looks like a whole nother critter to me.  I am scrutinizing the images from the Sanctum Art page and although there are similarities there are also differences.  Being that both creatures are werewolves, there are bound to be some similarities.

Free men do not ask permission to bear arms!!

I think everyone should visit Vic Sorensangbam's site. He's the modeller behind Manitou and clearly remarkably talented.

As UVDan said, werewolf characters will have certain things in common. From the images they even look quite different. The proof is in the mesh.

Hopefully it gets resolved soon.

Teyon mentioned some Zbrush development images. i'd hope that those could clear things up.  just to say, as someone who doesn't know squat about judging these things, i think what's interesting is the, um, genital region.  SanctumArt's creature has a canine-like sheath in the front and a cropped tail in the rear.  if the creature were taken whole, i'd think those features would create a mesh mess if you tried to smooth them away.

Here's the thread I saw:

http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc/showthread.php?t=63911&page=1&pp=15&highlight=werewolf

Hope it all gets sorted out.

Quote - Please note that Renderosity has received a copyright complaint from Sanctum Art that the monster that Mestophales posted is a violation of his. 

Thank you,
Jenifer Carey
Renderosity Vice President
& Copyright Agent

Nice driveby. how about an explaination

It wouldn't be the first time Sanctum Art would spring something like that.  I heard sometime ago about SA pressing violations against someone who, allegedly, did not rightfully own a product used in a posting.  This may get mean.

**Let us hope that it does not get mean. 

Several years ago I modeled an F6F Hellcat airplane.  Now I see that someone else has modeled an F6F Hellcat airplane and is selling it as a Poserized model in the marketplace  here.  Does that mean that I have the right to claim copyright infringement on the person who made the Poser F6F.  NO.  It only means that we both were inspired by the same subject.   Upon first glance both airplane models would appear to be the same, but closer inspection would reveal that his plane is much more detailed and better modeled than mine.**

Free men do not ask permission to bear arms!!

Renderosity makes a lot more money on a figure that sells for $70 than they do one that sells for a mere $25. I'm just saying......a persons perception is their reality. Cases like this where the staff appear to show favoritism and a profound lack of objectivity really hurt the overall broker confidence in TRMP.

Clearly this is not a derivative work, no more than Horde is a derivative work of Mestophales Brute. I mean, they are both non human though so maybe Mestophales should file a cease and desist against Sanctum. By Jen's statement they'd have to put Horde on hold right? RIGHT?

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Quote - Renderosity makes a lot more money on a figure that sells for $70 than they do one that sells for a mere $25. I'm just saying......a persons perception is their reality. Cases like this where the staff appear to show favoritism and a profound lack of objectivity really hurt the overall broker confidence in TRMP.

Clearly this is not a derivative work, no more than Horde is a derivative work of Mestophales Brute. I mean, they are both non human though so maybe Mestophales should file a cease and desist against Sanctum. By Jen's statement they'd have to put Horde on hold right? RIGHT?

First of all that I am aware of, sanctum art does not sell their products here.

Think what you will.

But I can assure you that the Renderosity staff does not play favorites as you assert.

Infact I just got/recieved the warning that an image I just posted tonight, using this character might be in vioaltion of copyright and I have to take it down now.

See no favorites. :lol:

YOU really should apologize for making such a baseless smear on the staff here.

Thanks for the heads up JenniferC.

Daidalos

"The Blood is the life!"

 

Wait a minute!  I cannot post images made with this product at Renderosity?  I hope this issue is resolved before Halloween comes around.

Free men do not ask permission to bear arms!!

Daidalos,

I'm sorry but you have missed my point entirely about PERCEPTION versus reality.

"But I can assure you that the Renderosity staff does not play favorites as you assert."

We're going to have to agree to disagree on that point. In any case what I'm talking about here is basic public relations. The way people perceive the treatment whether is is completely even handed or not.

And I'd be happy to apologize as soon as Renderosity offers something more than a claim by an artist who is known to be a bit like the boy who cried "Wolf".

At this point I think it would server Renderosity just fine if Metsophales sold the product on his own and kept all the sales money. The Manitou was around in early development stages on other sites long before the public release of Horde. It is not a derivative work as even a cursory glance at the meshes will attest. I suspect that this is all a business ploy by Santum I suspect becuase he doesn't like a comparable product selling for less than half the cost of his character.

What I don't like here is Rendo's policy of yanking someones product right before a Halloween sale no less for the acussation of infringement sans any proof.

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I think they need to put it on hold when someone files a copyright claim. Just imagine you find someone else sells something that looks very similar to your product and they won't take it down for the time you and they need to investigate if your claim is valid.

But that aside I can tell you my observations: when I saw the pics of Manitu posted in this thread they immediately reminded me of SAs critters - not especially of Horde but of their critters in general that are available for a long time now. The very thing that made me wonder was one feature that I've yet seen only in SAs critters and that's the thumblike toe thingie on the side of the feet. Even my daughter who looked at the previews here pointed at the feet and said they would look like SAs critter's feet. Maybe that was the thing that made him file the complaint, I don't know. And I don't say your figure is a copy of his, just wanted to tell what I saw when I looked at the preview pics.

Every organisation rests upon a mountain of secrets ~ Julian Assange

" thumblike toe thingie on the side of the feet"

Dogs and wolves have that useless appendage. I believe the werewolvesin Underworld have that little feature as well. Just an observation.

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It's called a dew claw and I use them all the time when making animal models.  Truth is, the idea of a werewolf is public domain, no one, to my knowledge, has sole copyright over it. So it really falls down to 

1. Do the models share geometry?
2. How similar do they look?

 I really hope it gets resolved soon and that the meshes are compared quickly.

**Teyon, I think you should file a cease and desist claim. :) I am starting to regret voicing my opinion here.
**

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Ok, maybe I didn't made clear what I was talking about or how I meant it. It would be easier for me to explain in german but anyway ... it's not that this thingie is there but it's the look of it, they way it's modelled. The DAZ werewolf has it too but it looks completely different where this one looks like those on Drub or Alpha or Havoc or Horde. And that is not a judgement or an implication that it's exactly the same or based on it or taken from it - it only looks the same. That's all I said.

Every organisation rests upon a mountain of secrets ~ Julian Assange

No worries.  I understood where you were coming from but took the opportunity to point out that there are going to be features that are similar - partially because they exist in nature and partially because they exist in the bulk of the creature's legend (at least film wise).

Doubtful!

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Puntomaus - yeah, but... the thing is, Poserdom suffers from being out of the loop CG wise.  i see that look all the time all over CG Society, in both 2d and 3d.  in general, lots of Sanctum Arts creatures are very like even older pro stuff, like the creature i just saw on TV  before turning away from Mimic 3: The Sentinel.  and Horde looks a lot like the werewolves in the Underworld series, imho.  SA is unique in Poser, but not in CG.  it's just most who master Zbrush and professional level sculpting don't bother selling models for less than a few thousand. 

a lot of stuff that seems particular to certain individuals is just the scarcity of professional 3d styles in Poserdom.  that isn't to take from those few who do sell here and have careers in the larger CG world.  they have incredible talent and style.  but it's like a professional graphic designer selling design elements in the market place here: they might be incredibly good, but still basically following current style norms. 

The Polycounts are as follows
   Manitou
      Vert = 101033
      Faces = 193728

   Horde
      Vert = 114731
      Faces = 190578

There are some similarities but there is absolutely no copyright violation. This project was started back in May 2008. I have all the documentation, reference images used to created the model, the ztl file, everything from start to finish. This is an absurd move and I am working with my attorney to bring a swift resolution to the problem.

Here are some of the refernce images used to create the model

http:www.tekbydesign.comManitou75.jpg
http:www.tekbydesign.comManitouHrC_werewolf_1024.jpg
http:www.tekbydesign.comManitouVH333_VanHelsingBack01_2.jpg
http:www.tekbydesign.comManitoubscap038.jpg

The ZBrush Movie of the XSI Model imported and sculpted in ZBrush

http:www.tekbydesign.comManitouZBrushMovie.mov

Here are the wiremesh views

There is a similarity simply because of the shape but there is no copyright violation here. Similar is not the same.

I hope that this can be handled swiftly.
 

Crap, this is ludicrous and I hope it gets sorted out quickly. I came here today to buy this model only to find it unavailable.

Anyone with half an eye can see that this model is different from SA's the horde (which I also own).

I would be more than happy to purchase this model under a 'private' arrangement if required.

Peace,

NM.

<_< this is maybe one of the most stupid things ive heard at rosity lately, i just cant see SA´s point.   btw, are there any bodymorphs on the list of addons?  the manitou has quite some potential, and  i might do some stuff for it  ^^

I think what is most upsetting is his DMCA notice elludes to a violation of his TOS and EULA. Let me make something clear for all who read this.

I started the Manitou (Werewolf) Project in May 2008 ( for which I have all emails and work for hire agreements proving this fact), on August 15th, 2008 the Horde was released on SanctumArt's site. I was one of the first to buy it at the $55 USD pricetag, which to be honest I thought was a good deal. I have always thought SanctumArt has produced some of the finest models out there. I have bought several of his items over the years.

However - he is suggesting that I bought his model, and either used his mesh in the actual creation of the mesh of the Manitou or he is saying we got our expressive idea of a werewolf from his.

In essence what he is implying is that should you buy a product from him you should never be allowed to build a your own expression of a competing product. No matter how original.

You can not copyright an idea only your expression of an idea, you may not copyright things that occur in nature such as a dew claw, you may not copyright a shape since there are only so many ways to build a mythical creature there are bound to be similarities.

I have offered to let SanctumArt examine the XSI Files, the ZTL Files, all concept art and references and the work for hire agreement I have with Vic Sorensangbam, which by the way he is also producing a few more models that will be coming out soon.  I have yet to hear ANYTHING from Michael Rak aka SanctumArt. I have issued a counter DMCA with Renderosity and a few other sites that received the DMCA's from SanctumArt.

I see no reason why Michael Rak would not contact me if he truly felt there was a violation, but as experience has told me when dealing with him - he just apparently is very stand offish

I have gone out of my way to find a cordial way to work this out with Michael Rak, but he is leaving me with very little recourse.

For those of you who have purchased the Manitou from renderosity I am sorry this has affected your ability to use your renders in the halloween contest. For those of you who have not yet had a chance to buy I am going to continue selling the Manitou on my personal site starting very soon. I con only guestimate the whole reason SanctumArt decided to go down this path is to keep a competing product off the market for Halloween. That is not an accusation just merely an opinion.

Does anyone else have an idea of what else I can do to work this out with Michael Rak?

Quote - Does anyone else have an idea of what else I can do to work this out with Michael Rak?

No, not really    You've offered already everything that could solve this issue very easily. Hope you got this sorted out asap.

Every organisation rests upon a mountain of secrets ~ Julian Assange

I hope you get it resolved soon also :)

**Excellent news Mestophales,

Go get this fihure up on your own site and I will BUY, BUY, BUY.  Having looked at these models even more closely, the head on your figure is far more canine based than the horde, which has more of a human overtone to it.

Regards Micheal Rak, or whatever he's called  'F£$%$K  Him' who cares.

Peace,

SM.
**

Any status or update?

No nothing new - SanctumArt still has not replied, I have a meeting with my attorney on Wednesday in which we will be going over this matter in great length, Also Wednesday is day 10 since the date of the Counter DMCA I sent to Renderosity so everything should be back up online then.

oooo.....this guy better be careful lest he get a DMCA takedown notice from Sanctum Art, Inc. aka Michael Rak

http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc/showthread.php?t=64496

Wow, it is the werewolf season isn't it?

Free men do not ask permission to bear arms!!

um, yes.  october is.

Any news yet.????

 

I have received a letter from SanctumArt's attorney and have forwarded it on to my attorney. Hopefully there will be a resolution soon.

I hope this is favorably resolved in time for me to use the Manitou next Halloween.

Free men do not ask permission to bear arms!!

Me too. :lol:

"The Blood is the life!"

 

I am working in good faith to get a resolution to this swiftly but it has been some time since I have heard anything. I fear they are going to force me to take them to court

This is rediculous.

Any chance of purchasing this from you privately via paypal.???

sm.

Good luck with clearing this up.

Hope you get onto poserising this guy:
http://vik3d.com/beast.jpg

Cheers

Hmpf. Can one actually take someone to court to prove there is no violation? The burden of proof in these cases is on the person claiming there is a copyright violation.

The short answer is yes - I can take him to court

Here I am. I just saw these thread recently.
All I can say is, Manitou or the werewolf was not really a 3dart.
It was hell lot of sweats and sleepless nights for me.
I was always inspired by Van Helsing.
This is not really fair.
:(

So what is Renderosity saying?  Do they not also have to make a determination in their minds if it is a violation or not? 

Why is this not back in the store if it is not a violation?  This is what I'm not understanding.  They generally compare the meshes/textures etc. themselves and make a determination and either put the product back in the marketplace or inform the merchant that it is a violation as well as anyone that had purchased it.

It should not be up to Sanctum Art if your product is for sale at  Rendo if there is no violation. 

This is really ridiculous and is beginning to look like once again SA is using it's bullying tactics to control the MP whether it be here or anywhere else in Poserland.

They did not invent the werewolf....only their mesh of it. 

nothing to do with the fact that the two figure models are werewolf's, nothing at all.  It has to be more than that like mesh used, UV's, texture, poses something in the Horde Product used in the Manitou product intentionally or unintentionally.

Renderosity doesn't publicly make statements on copyright cases acording to their web page, they pull the product in question and leave it to the parties involved in the claim to work out as they are the copyright holders and only they can defend their claims.

I had this product on my wishlist as I honestly thought it was an addon pack for SanctumArt's Horde product.  Something in this product made Micheal Rak (SanctumArt) make a claim and Micheal has been doing this for a long time and not just for Poser.

I don't think anybody should be dragging people's names through the mud about this.  It's between the two parties and the terms of the claim, not for to the public to decide.  Hopefully the Manitou product can be changed if needed to satisfy the claim of infringement and then both parties can move on.

Obviously you have not been on the receiving end of some of SA's tactics, MachineClaw.  I'm not dragging anyone's name through the mud, I am just stating what I have seen friends experience and other observations of their posts on various sites. I am also very well aware of what  SA does.  

And as one having to have compared mesh's/UV's texture etc I know what it entails....and I also know that it normally does not take this long.

From what I have seen in the past (maybe their policy has changed) Rendo does in fact do their own comparisons and keep track of what goes on between the parties.  They have a vested interest in this also, and I do not remember them ever taking a total hands off approach on these matters.  

This just seems to be taking a long time for resolution and now he's talking about having to take them to court to get it resolved. That doesn't sound right.  Either there is a mesh problem or there is not. 

In any case, I am not here to argue with you or anyone else.  I'm not going to get into a he said/she said type of situation. But I am entitled to my own opinion about a broker and I have a very strong opinion about SA, simply because I have seen what they have put some of their customers through.  If you think that is dragging people's names through the mud, then you too,  are entitled to your own opinion.

I hope like you that the outcome is a good one for the Manitou and for Mestophales and that he has not infringed as SA has accused him of doing... that would be very sad.

this is the very first time i've seen an active thread about a violation at Rendo and no statement whatsoever about the findings.  when ByteMeOk issues were going on, i read about it.  when people posted about Suicidegirlz (or however he spelled it to try and avoid trademark infringement), someone from staff posted about what they had found.  and some posting was going on elsewhere, because merchants had lots of details i never could find.   i've yet to hear one peep out of anyone other than the accused merchant. 

it's true that we shouldn't jump to conclusions.  but SA is a boy who cries wolf.  a lot.  and he's not only been disdainful of others' work, he sold this particular model by saying how unique and superior it is and making insulting comments about the other werewolf released before it in his marketing.  he does incredible work, but honestly, it's only unique in Poser circles, not professional CG ones.  and outside of GRIM, Horde is probably his most typically styled work.  it looks straight out of movies and games.  that's not to say it isn't great, but it's far from unlikely that someone else from the pro CG, Zbrush user community would create a similar creature for Halloween.  it's actually been a testament to reluctance to try a different business model (selling IP rather than selling your craftmanship) and cultural barriers in the pro community that more serious pros haven't decided to make money off us like Stonemason and SanctumArt. 

if this isn't an infringement, i won't be surprised.  i'm definitely wary, but my wariness cuts both ways.

Has there been a status update on this?  I noticed that Xurge has released his armor for the model--very nicely done!

Picked up the base figure from Mephistopheles' shop.

(Note:  if there is an ongoing court case, I understand that details shouldn't be discussed--just please post when this is resolved)

It is back!

You can't keep a good dog down.  He does look a bit like Scooby  Doo doesn't he?

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