Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL


Subject: Question/s for Vue users

seacanyon opened this issue on Aug 13, 2008 · 4 posts


seacanyon posted Wed, 13 August 2008 at 2:27 PM

Hello, I'm considering buying either Vue Studio or Vue Esprit, but have a couple of questions:

  1. On importing a Poser scene do you have to re-light it using Vue's lights?   If I get Render Studio for Vue, would the lights used in Poser transfer?  (Does Render Studio for Vue work in Esprit ... I need to check)

2.  Is the Vue Esprit/Studio render engine significantly better than Poser?  I'm currently using Poser 6 -- would the money be better spent upgrading to Poser 7?  Have seen some beautiful renders in Vue -- and am sure the higher-end Vue products do the better job, but should I expect better results than Poser 7 with, say Vue Esprit?

  1. How's the learning curve for the Vue products?  I downloaded the demo version & was pleasantly surprised at how easily lights are moved about, but have done little else.  I'm primarly attracted by the render quality & use of Poser shader trees.  Most of my scenes are interiors or studio work & not outdoor shots.  Should I be looking elsewhere to boost render quality than a terrain program?  What do you advise?

Thank you for your time & expertise,
Seacanyon


FrankT posted Wed, 13 August 2008 at 3:38 PM

1.  Yes you have to relight in Vue and to be honest you'd want to as well.  Vue's lighting blows posers into the weeds.  Poser lights won't transfer to Vue.

2.  The render engine in Vue is a lot better than FireFly once you get the hang of setting it up.  The temptation is to whack all the quality sliders to full but that will just get you ridiculous render times.

3.  The learning curve isn't too bad really.  Vue is pretty easy to get to grips with (plus there's a great Vue forum on Rendo with some Vue gods/goddesses in residence :) )  Using the Poser shader tree is going to chew up RAM - something to be aware of.  You can use Vue for internal or external stuff but it's really a landscape rendering proggy and is optimised for that although you can do interior stuff if you set it up right (and you don't mind quite long render times)

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aeilkema posted Wed, 13 August 2008 at 4:26 PM

  1. Yes you do have to relight. Render Studio works with Vue 6 Esprit, Vue 6 Pro Studio, Vue 6 Infinite or Vue 6 Extreme.

  2. That really depends on what you're looking for. When it comes to figures, Poser still does an excellent job and I still prefer Poser over Vue in that area. It's not a matter which one is better, it's a matter what they were designed to do. It also depends on the look and feel you want your renders to have. You want ultra-realism..... Vue does the job. You want more of a 3D comic look.... Poser will do a better job imo. Close up figures or studio like renders.... Poser would still be my #1 choice.

  3. I've found the learning curve pretty easy to climb. I had much more trouble figuring out Bryce then I had with figuring out Vue. It's pretty straightforward and everything is in the place you would expect it to be.

*Most of my scenes are interiors or studio work & not outdoor shots.  Should I be looking elsewhere to boost render quality than a terrain program?  What do you advise?

I seriously would not advice Vue for that usage at all. Poser is very well designed for jobs like that. I'm not sure how long you've been using Poser, but judging from your joining date it may not have been too long. Most likely, If poser isn't giving you the results you want, Vue won't give them either. While the rendering engine may be better by itself, you still need to know how to use it at best. The same goes for Poser, for the kind of work you decribe the Poser rendering engine is a very good choice, but you need to learn how to use it and that takes time.

Switching applications most likely will not give you the miracle you're looking for, time, effort, patience and experimenting will. Correct me if I'm wrong here, don't be offended please.

My advice would be, don't abandon Poser yet. Secondly I would suggest checking out Travelers Lightwork series at RDNA. The links below will lead you to some of them. These lightsets are very very well done and they give great results and even greater results if you use them as a starting point for your scenes. That would be my advice, check them out and perhaps buy a few sets and see how they will improve your Poser renders, instead of investing heavily into Vue, you may not get the results you're looking for at all.

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There are many more of them, this is just a random selection, browse throught Traveler's store http://www.runtimedna.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=Traveler to find more.

Btw.... one addition. I'm not sure if you bought Render Studio for Poser or not, but imo the  Lightworks sets still beat Render Studio.

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seacanyon posted Wed, 13 August 2008 at 4:59 PM

TY.  I appreciate both your kindness & your frankness.

I have about six of Traveler's lightsets & use em a lot.  No, I'm not looking for a "Make Art" button, but suppose I am looking for a significant difference in the render quality. 

Ty both for your responses.  I will keep trying to learn and will keep Vue on hold for the moment, but still as a consideration.