Good one jancory.

This provides a thin chain, which I think is something well worth having. The chain I am working on (or would be working on, if I actually got off my backside and did something), is much heavier. So this privides a nice alternative.

I think it was V1/2 that wanted props like this parented to the collars. Even so, if you moved the collar in any direction after parenting, the props needed to be realigned. Does this work the same way with Antonia or say V4? Even enlarging or reducing the size or shape of the breast it would have the same problem. Really frustrating. What would one do if doing an animation and say nipple tapes or barbarian breast armor similarily parented needed similar realignment?

@Jancory: Of course I could help you and upload that chain to the free site. But then it would appear under my name, something I don't feel comfortable with as it's your work I am posting. But I will try and create some screenshots about the register-and-upload process for everybody, okay? I swear that the whole thing is painless!!

Attached Link: http://www.antonia.bluecho4u3d.com/database/sites/jewelry.htm

edited to add:  hey, that WAS easy!  done!

Holy Smokes-10,006 posts!!  :scared:

A lot of hard work represented there, but she's worth it...

Just checking in.

I've been busy with everyday stuff anf not doing any 3d work.

Back on it now trying to finish a couple of projects so I can work with APG again. :)

@Jancory: Glad it worked. Your name, nickname or whatever you choose is not important and we do not track any information about you. The registering is only needed so that nobody else can manage your files. Maybe an update is needed or desired or you want to update the text... this way you can do this on your own but (important) no one else. In fact it was me who made this necessary as I always make a mistake or typo when doing uploads, it's a kind of folklore ;o) So I needed a way to alter things once they are online.

Quote - while you're here, les, i think the individual rings need to be parented to the chest instead of the collars--they flew off in wild directions for me til i changed their parenting.

Thanks jancory. You are right, any rotation of Antonia's collars seems to throw the rings out of position. I will update the files, using the chest as parent.

Anyone who downloaded the 'NippleRingsAP', should download again,
as the file has been updated to fix a problem.

Quote - I think it was V1/2 that wanted props like this parented to the collars. Even so, if you moved the collar in any direction after parenting, the props needed to be realigned. Does this work the same way with Antonia or say V4? Even enlarging or reducing the size or shape of the breast it would have the same problem. Really frustrating. What would one do if doing an animation and say nipple tapes or barbarian breast armor similarily parented needed similar realignment?

There is one solution: making the rings a conforming figure with the relevant JCM's and the classic breast morphs included. If you parent the rings to the collar, they move with the collarbone. The nipple area of the breast is outside or at the low end of the falloff zone of the chest-collar joint and will not or hardly follow. That's why the rings fly of the nipples when you move the collar. If the rings are parented to the chest, the difference is less.  As a conformer, the covement of the collar is used only to the extent given by the fall-off zone.

You could also make the rings follow the nipple vertices using the cloth room. (constrained group), or for a more pemanent solution use a Python script that takes the co-ordinates of the nipple vertices (id number is a constant, 6524 and 6528 for the outer and sides of the left nipple for example for the full-res version. Low-res version could be different but I did not check) and moves the rings to follow. Older Poser versions (5?) featured a sample script showing how to get and put vertex data, but I can not find this in Pro2010.

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Quote - > Quote - I think it was V1/2 that wanted props like this parented to the collars. Even so, if you moved the collar in any direction after parenting, the props needed to be realigned. Does this work the same way with Antonia or say V4? Even enlarging or reducing the size or shape of the breast it would have the same problem. Really frustrating. What would one do if doing an animation and say nipple tapes or barbarian breast armor similarily parented needed similar realignment?

There is one solution: making the rings a conforming figure with the relevant JCM's and the classic breast morphs included. If you parent the rings to the collar, they move with the collarbone. The nipple area of the breast is outside or at the low end of the falloff zone of the chest-collar joint and will not or hardly follow. That's why the rings fly of the nipples when you move the collar. If the rings are parented to the chest, the difference is less.  As a conformer, the covement of the collar is used only to the extent given by the fall-off zone.

You could also make the rings follow the nipple vertices using the cloth room. (constrained group), or for a more pemanent solution use a Python script that takes the co-ordinates of the nipple vertices (id number is a constant, 6524 and 6528 for the outer and sides of the left nipple for example for the full-res version. Low-res version could be different but I did not check) and moves the rings to follow. Older Poser versions (5?) featured a sample script showing how to get and put vertex data, but I can not find this in Pro2010.

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Huh!?

I am sorry I want to know about all this but could never wrap my dry brain matter around it in this lifetime. As much as I appreciate your involved response it is WAY over my head. Though I have used Poser4 since it came out and only recently migrated to Poser7 I only know enough about the apps to set up and render my images. I still don't know about adjusting joint parameters or setting up and using magnets and spawning morph targets let alone all this other good stuff you describe and that can be used in Poser7.

Quote - There is one solution: making the rings a conforming figure with the relevant JCM's and the classic breast morphs included.

Yes, and I did consider doing that. Fortunately jancory's solution of parenting the rings to the chest seems to have fixed the problem. Where I made my big mistake was in not testing thoroughly enough before posting. I tried a few stock posed on the figure, and when all seemed to work OK, I uploaded the file. With hind sight, it is obvious that none of the poses I applied moved the collars, and I should really have tried applying manual rotations to them.

As to the Breasts-classic and Nipples-classic morphs, they are catered for, and when those morphs are are expressed in Antonia the rings should adjust automatically. This works for me in P6, I'm hoping it is working in other Poser versions. Even though the rings are props, they use the same "super-conforming" method as conforming figures do. There are 10 PBMCC channels in each ring and the control prop, so it should be possible to cater for other breast morphs via injections.

Quote - for a more pemanent solution use a Python script that takes the co-ordinates of the nipple vertices...

That sounds very interesting, and I would love to know how to do that, but my knowledge of Python script is virtually none existent.

Quote - That sounds very interesting, and I would love to know how to do that, but my knowledge of Python script is virtually none existent.

That would be basically what Morphing Clothes does.  I'm not sure whether it works on props.  If not, one could make a temporary figure using the rings as Collar parts, to transfer the relevant morphs.

Spawning morph targets (as opposed to making the morphs) is very easy. Try this experiment. Set Poser to use 'Poser Native Units' in the General Preferences (this is so you are using the same units as I am). Load Antonia, select her head from the Object menu, select 'Create Magnet'. Select the Mag and set its xScale to 115%, this will make the head wider. Select the head, then from the Object menu, select 'Spawn Morph Target'. The effect of the magnet has been saved to the head as a morph target.

Restore the Mag (with the Mag selected CTRL+E). Select the Mag Zone, set its scale to 1.4, set its zTran to 0.038, now the Zone only covers the bridge of the nose. Select the Mag, set its zTran to 0.05. You have given Antonia a hooked nose, if you like you can spawn another morph target. Set the yTran of the Mag Zone to 0.64, you have given Antonia a longer nose (see image above). Adjusting the zTran of the Mag will change the how far the nose sticks out. The Zone controls what will be affected, the Mag how much it will be affected, and whether translated, rotated, or scaled. The Base controls what point the effect emanates from, and in what direction. Try xRotating the Mag Base.

You don't need to use magnets when spawning morphs, you can spawn a morph from a combination of other morphs. You could for example apply the OpenMouth morph and the Smile morph, say both at 0.5, then spawn a new morph as "OpenSmile".   

There is a lot more I could say about magnets, but I have already taken the thread too far off the topic of Antonia. There is an excellent tutorial on using magnets at PhiC's site, it comes in both text and video versions.

I find that joint parameters can be very difficult, and I really admire people like Phantom3D who have a deep understanding of the subject.

Quote - That would be basically what Morphing Clothes does.

Oh, I thought bagoas was speaking of a dynamic real-time way of making the rings track the position of the nipples.

Like my eyes do in real life?

Quote - Like my eyes do in real life?

:lol: Yes, like our eyes do! The beauty, and endless veriety of nipples, never seases to be a source of interest and deep pleasure to me! :tt1: Ban the Bra!

Quote - Oh, I thought bagoas was speaking of a dynamic real-time way of making the rings track the position of the nipples.

Oh, yeah.  I see that now.  :lol:  Man, I cannot get with it, recently.  Dang.  Friday 13 fell on a Friday this month.

Personally, I wouldn't be prepared to link a figure or prop's functionality to Poser's Python callbacks.  They work, mostly... until they don't.  Then: crash-ola.  A bit risky for anything really complex, IMO.  :unsure:

Quote - Personally, I wouldn't be prepared to link a figure or prop's functionality to Poser's Python callbacks.  They work, mostly... until they don't.  Then: crash-ola.  A bit risky for anything really complex, IMO.

Yes, you are probably right there. Matching the location of the nipples by slaving the translations of the rings to the  relevant morphs in the figure, like I did for the native breast morphs, seems to work well enough, and is probably quite reliable, but it is a lot of work to set up. The idea that it might be possible to have a prop automatically track the location of a vertex is a very enticing one.

I did very, very little, basically turning on the high heel morphs in the designer, and the thigh cuffs morph.  A little tweaking here and there to minimize poke-through.  From there, I used Phil's standardized boot texture. In short, nothing actually original here.

Had to tweak the foot settings to bend the boots to the appropriate shapes, which is something I should do AFTER applying a pose, not before, as most poses seem to change the foot settings.

I doubt you could get much variety out of Phil's designer, although with the right textures and transparency maps, it would look like much more.  OTOH, I've barely used it at all, so I have no idea just what can be done with this.

Thigh boots!

Attached Link: http://www.morphography.uk.vu/dlv3qd.html#qdap

What? Do I hear groaning? :)

@EnglishBob:many thanks. :)

@Everyone:I will be starting a new texturecharacter set for Antonia as soon as I finish this other project (which seems to be taking foreverrr).

There will be two hair textures included, one for the Flo hair and one for the Paris Hair.

It will be a retail package, unfortunately, but later I will do another freebie. :)

Is the Paris Hair actually available anywhere?  I can't seem to find it.

Those boots look splendid!! Another piece of clothing that may be enough to dress up Antonia completely ;o)

I will run now and pick up the suit anyway, thanks to Englishbob.

BE: you will have mail in a while!

@Thalek: Here's the Paris-Hair

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/paris-65-hair/83804

This is not Antonia but I will do this for her. :)

Saintfox, thank you for the lovely compliment.  I thought I'd add the volleyball outfit so someone could accuse her of being over-dressed.  [grin]

Paris Hair 65.  So this is not the Paris Hair that was created some time ago, I take it?  I'll have to add it to my wishlist.

Now that you say it I am unsure... I know that Fabiana released a Paris hair on 3d-commne and I am not sure if this is the same hair or a variation. Better ask Fabi about it before you have the same hairdress twice.

And you really mean hair, boots and the volleyball-outfit all together in one single image?! Hmmmm..... far, far overdressed of course!

Well, I could always shave her head.  She does look very sexy with a shaved head . . .

Okay, I just searched everywhere and the Paris Hair by Lisbeth is no longer availble...sob.

So I'll have to do the texture for a hair that is available and similar in style...sigh.

Ah... it was the hair by the same hair but by Lisbeth. Maybe if you contact her? So far I always had luck when asking for disapeared products!

I have the hair product but can't find the readme to see how to contact her.

But Kozaburo has a free one very much like it called "Rei Hair" and maybe that would work.

i'll try to do the texture for it and see how that goes. As long as the hair is available and free there should be no problems.

Lisbeth still sells over at DAZ and she is still a member here. Maybe this is a solution?

I just saw that the item is still listed in freestuff but will not download anymore. So all that is needed is Lisbeth's permission to hand out a copy to Thalek.

I sent her a site mail asking about it.

And just in case we can't get it back in free stuff or something, I made a texture using Kozaburo's short bob. :)

Still have the trans map to do though and some finishing touches.

i'll do an image in the Poser Gallery when I get it done.

Thank you.  I sent her a site mail here on Renderosity; maybe I should check to see if she's read it yet.

Those thigh boots look great! Unoriginal or not, I'm sure folks would love em'. Women just can't have too many shoes you know.

You mean I should upload them?

I'll have to check to see if Phil allows the texture to be re-distributed.  I know he allows the shoes created by Shoe Designer to be redistributed, but I'm less certain about the textures.

Thanks for the QuickDress. There seems to be pokethrough at the breasts.

Thalek,

I for one, would very much like you to make the boots available!

Quote - There seems to be pokethrough at the breasts.

I'll fix that when I can see straight. I must have over-smoothed.

You mean I should upload them?

Indeed you should!!*

I'll have to check to see if Phil allows the texture to be re-distributed.  I know he allows the shoes created by Shoe Designer to be redistributed, but I'm less certain about the textures.

If not you could use some procedural materials to create a leather look or look up my latext shaders in freestuff (no real reflections, sorry, these are sooo old already) and create something shiney. *

Okay, I've verified with Phil that the textures may be re-distributed with the boots, added two lamé shaders from Bagginsbill, and packaged it in a zip file.

Er, what's next?

Go here:

http://antonia.bluecho4u3d.com/start.htm

Click the Member-button, create and account (painless, I promise) and upload your creation , a thumbnail and short readme

Maybe you want to upload the boots to the renderosity freestuff as well?!

I can't seem to find a link for creating an account.  Perhaps I'll upload it to Renderosity as well, now that you've mentioned it.

Attached Link: http://www.bluecho4u3d.com/Antonia/pass/create_account.php

[blush]  I didn't see that option before.  Thank you, everyone!

Uploaded.

...and snatched!

I hope you like it.