Jules;
That is nice. Painted or propped?
I have several pubic hair props for V2 and Stef1 but are a pain because they do not morph as needed. I am not sure why but I can not get them to adjust size for example to fit the old PT figure or  a modified Posette or M2 figure. Must be something to do with fitting to the character hip when propped. I have the DAZ Cool Coils hair that do the same darn thing when I first tried to fit the hait to the first MilBaby. I could not get to parent to the head without it disappearing into the skull and all the dialing in the world would nit put it where I wanted it on the top of the figure's head.

whereas V2 and M2 with their pubic hair props as part of the geometry work fantastic with the right textures and transmaps.
Just wondered if there was going to be something like that to work with Antonia.

Where can I find the V4 pubic hair prop? Hope it morphs properly to fit Antonia.

SF, I will do a set of make-ups in PNG format and everyone can use them on their chosen textures.
I've done that for the Vickies so Antonia deserves her own set. :)

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And while I'm thinking about it, can the hip area be used as a trans map so that just the pubic hair shows above the skin?
I've seen it done for V3 and V4.

Those pubic hair props can look very good. Quarker once did one for Miki and V3 and it looked pretty convincing (except in close up). I will look up an image with it so that you can get an idea.

makeups? png? I confess that I hoped that someone would do it so that I get at least an idea where to place and how to shape the eyeshadow and eyeliner. Thank you so much!!

To be honest, the one shown in the render is "borrowed" from Have's Tuyuko, unfortunately no longer available, and I use it whenever I need PH. As it is a prop its pretty easy to adjust it and smartprop it to each and every figure.

I have also a set of 6 different PH's for V4, done in an similar way but, I have no idea where I grabbed them.

I think, I'll create something like this for Antonia, will take some time but ...

While doing some work on the make-up psd, I started thinking (Ouch that hurt!) about something.

Would it also help if I do a set in psd format but in gray scale as masks?
Then they can be used as transmaps and you choose your color.

would that work?

Quote - SF, I will do a set of make-ups in PNG format and everyone can use them on their chosen textures.
I've done that for the Vickies so Antonia deserves her own set. :)

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And while I'm thinking about it, can the hip area be used as a trans map so that just the pubic hair shows above the skin?
I've seen it done for V3 and V4.

I am not sure if that is possible!?.
I thought it needed an additional prop to do that?
But you can either do a pubic hair transmap for say a bikini or panty or you can find a pubic hair prop with transmapping and texturing already on it (as mentioned for V2/V3/V4) and use that (V2 & M2 had one as part of their geometry and though a great idea, I thought it was grossly under used by many of the content creators at the time).  And though I am not sure why it would be a problem doing so for Antonia (or any figure for that matter) it might be a nice addition to eventually make for her.

It would be cool to have one for Antonia as well as a single add-on morphing prop....even better with multiple layers like head hair for that additional density and thickness to make it look more realistic especially when the figure is rendered from the side.

Wouldn't it be easy to just export Antonia's hip as an obj file and remove the poly you don't want and reimport as a prop. it'd have the same UVs as the original figure?

I am not a modeler but I know enough from being in this community (hypothetically mind  :)  ) to say that should be a way of doing it. But it would have to be adjusted a bit for depth wouldn't it? Afterall pubic hair rests pretty much on the surface of the pubis and the add-on prop would have to simulate that somehow....I would think.

What I'm thinking is like the trans maps RNKarenER made for V3, Class Act I and II.

But then that wouldn't work on all textures...sigh

I found some images - but the hair shown here is done by Have for his Eroko figure. Anyway:
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1090184&member
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1033621&member

(both contain, what else, nudity)

Quote - While doing some work on the make-up psd, I started thinking (Ouch that hurt!) about something.

Would it also help if I do a set in psd format but in gray scale as masks?
Then they can be used as transmaps and you choose your color.

would that work?

Works in Poser, doesn't work in D|S 2, will take work in D|S 3 but will be possible by someone who knows how to use the new system, won't be easy.

Hmmm, well if someone wanted, they could add color in Photo Shop or PSP.

obsidiandawn.com made a set of make-up brushes for Photo shop and you just used the color you wanted and that worked.

But I'm not good on making the brushes.

i'll do it both ways to give folks more options. :)

Setting up brushes from the png files should not be too hard. I have a nice resource here with lots of real (photgraphed) eyeshadows, most of them still for V4 -  what I always need is an idea of what shape to use to tweak them. Your makeup will be perfect for doing this!

would it be better to just set them up in a psd format so you can just load in the face map and makeup resources you want?

that way they are already in place and all you need do is tweak if you want or add as is.

Psd is always good, at least for me but I wait and see what other prefer!

Just my quick answer regarding the pubic hair prop: I've had a lot of trouble with those toe caps, and haven't yet resolved all the problems they caused. I still think the prospect of having perfectly fitting second-skin stockings for Antonia is worth my trouble. But I've been disencouraged from adding any more extra bits like that to the base geometry.

What's more, I'm not quite sure what the best solution for realistic pubic hair is, so I think it would be better to use a prop or even a conforming figure as an add-on that could easily be exchanged for whatever's most useful for the current render project, just like with head hair.

To answer the question "will she have": yes, most certainly she will have some kind of pubic hair eventually. I happen to like pubic hair and would love to have some options in that respect. So if no one else takes care of it, I will. Eventually...

In the meantime, like with head hair, people will probably make do with existing props. Conforming figures are obviously a bit more tricky, as - I think - they have to be re-rigged for each new figure to conform to. But props should be simple: load Antonia in the "zero" pose, adjust the scale, position and orientation of the prop, parent to the appropriate body part, save as smart prop. Maybe we can a collection of fitting poses for some popular props at some point.

Okay, I guess that wasn't that quick... :biggrin:

Quick ewnough sir. Short and sweet enough to indicate your stand. Makes sense. Thanks!

Quote - Maybe we can a collection of fitting poses for some popular props at some point.

That's exactly what I meant:  we can a collection of fitting poses. And then we glue a nice label on it. Or, if you prefer, you can insert a verb of your choice.

:lol:

Laurie

That dress texture is nice!

Thanks. FAR from done tho ;o).

Laurie

I've applied a displacement map to the face, lips, eyebrows and body as well as the bump mapping from vss.

If she had a pubic area like the Vickies, a displacement map would work to make the hair stand away from the body a bit.
But I don't know how to do it on Antonia other than a full body displacement.

I like the texture and the realistic look of it which I've been unable to get in Poser 7 ;o).

I like it!

Laurie

LaurieA, I always had trouble with getting a more realistic look until I started working here with the Antonia group.
But they are always giving tips and ideas, and, bagginsbill drops in and offers his ideas.
With his vss and good lighting the textures look wayyyy better. :)

I'll have to check out the vss. Hopefully I'm not too lunkheaded to figure it out...LOL. Me and Poser lights and mats just don't get along ;o).

Anyway - and not to drift off topic - you're doing an outstanding job :o).

Laurie

BTW, Do you know how to get rid of pubic hair?

In P7 select and Shift-Del ;)

rock on

That looks great, Jules. Can't wait to try it.

Before I run to grab this hair: I heard that Shift-Del is a far more expensive wax than Uncheck-Visibility but leaves a smoother and less irritated skin. Unfortunatly the service-girls in our local drugstore now whisper behind my back since I asked for a bottle of Shift-Del...

:laugh: You know you've used Poser to often when you---
LOLOLOLOLOL There used to be a thread around here called that for quotes just like that one, Foxy!

I usually have a woman in some form of undress on my wallpaper and I'm a female too...   /shrug  Women are pretty... pretty much all of 'em, in my opinion.  Guys are nice to look at too.. pretty much all of 'em..  I guess I just like humans.  LOL

I like all beautiful sentients. Most humans of Earth are SO choosy.. :laugh:  To admire beautiful forms is natural for all intelligence.  Look how admired the Horse and the Cat are  in movement and stance.  Women have the added attribute of being sexy on top of everything else they have going for them.  I know I admire women mightily.

Women are soft, curvy, pretty. What's not to like? ;o). Men on the other hand are MUCH sexier...LOL.

Laurie

To be honest, I personally prefer a naked woman more then a dressed man ;)

Naked!? Pretty!? Sexy!?
I like this new trend. All the more reason to create 3D models that as realistic as can be made just for that kind of rendering. I can admire a well cut naked man...there is a certain aesthetic to the form. Then again the female for, being a man myself, holds that softness and nature-given and earthy organic fecundity that I have always associated to beauty beyond the physical and almost embracing the spiritual.
Most of my renders, my old drawings and sculptures and my photography and what I have always fed my creative "Self" with has been constituted almost exclusively, by the human female form and any derivatives of it.

".....it is our INFINITY...the place we all come from, the place our minds and hearts dwell upon and that warm wet place we all strive to return to at journey's end. That is woman!"
(a part of a quote from a poem I wrote many years ago).

The Ancients were all over worshiping the female form.  I guess we are just following down a well-worn path. :laugh:  And off to the left you'll see the Venus De Milo and to the right.....

^__^V,,

I'm gonna assume that a lot of us come from an art or at least artistic background. I know when I was in art school at 13 they had us draw the naked form. I for one, have been used to looking at nekkid people for a long, long, long, long time ;oP.

Laurie

Hmmm!?
If the "ritual" of worship is so old and beautiful and prestigious, then why does this item of worship, this iconographic art form, this aesthetic religion of the senses and emotions still, after so much has been said and done about it , or to it, still offend soooooo many darn people?
Janey Jackson's "accidentally" exposed tit on the tv, the "lewd" shenanigans of Brittany and other childish celebs causing raised brows and the foaming at the mouths of indignant media mavens during dinner time news broadcasts? Why the censorship of mens magazines in all newstands now(whose idea was it to cover these fibre and ink bastions of female pulcritude  on display for our collective ingestion?

Lets just enjoy the form and celebrate the source of life it represents. Cheer Brittany on to give us more and beg janet to show us the other breast. Distribute Playboy to all grade school boys so that they may learn to appreciate earlier what they will be tasting when of age without deceit and guilt or angry rage from having been denied.

ODF;;;;GetErDone!!!
Gotta love these threads!   LOLOL
Better hit the sack before I get myself in a heap of trouble!  :)

"Then why does this item of worship, this iconographic art form, this aesthetic religion of the senses and emotions still, after so much has been said and done about it , or to it, still offend soooooo many darn people?"

Religion.  Pure and simple.  THAT is ALL I'm going to say on THAT!  This talk has gone far enough off-topic at this juncture. Politics and religion are radioactive topics around here, so lets get back on topic.

OPEN QUESTION:  What other kinds of textures need to be done? How about any kind of "tribal" or "Science-Fiction" types?  What kind of face morphs do people like to see?

We still have a TON of stuff to do and here we are screwing around.  I'll be off-line for a couple of days, because I finally start moving today to another apartment. Hooray. :blink: PITA!

Right Joel, sorry!

I would love to see some additional ethnic face mts and parts adjustments (alien and animal head, big fey eyes and eye rotations,  nose size and adjustments, a variety of ear morphs (elf, animal. alien, in and out movements (for that Alfred E. Newman look) , longer lobe and lobe attached. Nose and lips adjustments too.

Phenomes are a nice quick addition that come in handy to get you close to a final look even if applied as a starting point to customize quickly. Old and young face with all the appropriate sags etc.

The obvious body morphs like:
individual toe adjustments and toenail lengths, foot arch poses, smaller toe poses,  longer fingernails. Alien body MTs (as extreme as we can get without tearing the mesh) I guess for variety, muscular or at least better toned body MTs., the required breast MT.s from flat to voluptuous and nipple/aereolae mts  (so we can make her look of all ages if needed and I would love to see breast MTs like those made by Posermatic...those are great!
Age body Mts from very young to very old with apropriate shape and height adjustments. Pregnant mts and short and fat /tall and skinny morphs too.

As far as textures:

I love what I have seen so far but we could include a dirty texture (grease monkey/mechanic, country urchin with muddy feet and shins, splashes on arms and face too (similar to the old Cherry 2000 and the old Dragonessa Tex by Syd Raven for V2. I love those and use them a lot even had a set converted for use with M2.
Alien and animal textures to go with the alien face and body mts!

I don't know if you all remember a sweet tex set created for V2 I think it was THE A to Z set sold at DAZ? It was great because it offered several textures with MAT poses and the lashes, upper brows and eye textures were set individually and looked beautifully more realistic.

Just to name a paltry few ideas!  :)
Well......you asked!  ;)

That's the spirit! Everything including the kitchen sink!

I'm still working on two textures, the Akasha and Celene set.

Later I have fantasy set in mind but we'll have to wait and see. :biggrin:

For the morphs, a lot of them are already done, more will follow soon.

I'd like to see a good variety of body styles/shapes. I don't just mean fat/thin/muscular, but pear/apple/cone fat and different types of thin morphs ranging from lean to slender but soft to bony.

Well, this project is mainly run by odf and he is supported by about 10 other users. All are not professional 3D artists "only" part time artists.

If you look at the DAZ figures and the number of people working on them, this is a very small project but, for sure, the result will be a new figure with some new techniques for sure, if the package will be released to the public it will be worth at least 50 to 100 dollars, compared to other figures. The girls and guys working in this project love Antonia and, I'm pretty sure, Antonia will find her admirers in the 3D world. And, the support for a figure becomes better as more people use the figure.

Oh, I'm very impressed already with what's been done with her. She already looks 100% more natural than...pretty much every figure I've seen. I'm sure none of you would scrimp on the body morphs when you've worked so hard on the rest. Just throwing my suggestions into the ring. I'd offer up doing the heavy-type morphs myself, but I'm so new it this, I'd probably only screw it up.

There is absolutely NO HARM in down loading her and trying your hand at it!  Part of the reason that so many of us have been drawn in is the want to experiment and push the envelope as far as we can!  Experiment and play around.  One of the other things that makes this fun, is just playing arounds and seeing what each of can come up with!

If we didn't have any fun doing this, we wouldn't be involved in the project! :laugh: LOLOLOL

I will have a 7 hour layover in Chicago on Monday. I'll need something to keep me busy (well, besides a costume and some textures I've been working on. Maybe I'll give it a shot.

Quote - I will have a 7 hour layover in Chicago on Monday. I'll need something to keep me busy (well, besides a costume and some textures I've been working on. Maybe I'll give it a shot.

Costume? Are you some kind of Amazon Superhero? :blink: We have all kinds around here.  Just asking. :laugh: