Number one, there will be some changes for the Banners upload. Will make the full announcement with all the details for this one soon.

Number two, The Bryce Gallery has been sliding towards imagery with lots of postwork which can and will be considered Mixed medium artwork. There will be guidlines posted at the top of the forum and the Gallery in order to avoid any confusion. Those postings which clearly step over the guidelines will be moved to the Mixed medium Gallery. Anything borderlined will be discussed amongst staff.

Personally I prefer a good deal of Postwork in my artwork because I don't stop until I reach a desired effect. These images I post in Mixed medium because I believe I'ved crossed over the line of an image being predominantly Bryce. Simply put, if you can't tell it's mostly Bryce work, it's not. Just look at my gallery. Yes I know if I post in the Bryce Gallery I'll get more hits, but I prefer to be very clear with what I've created, what I use, and how fair it is to other Brycers.

Like I said, there will be Links at the top of both the Forum and Gallery to inform and maintain a fair playing feild for everyone.

There will also be plenty of notice in advance of these changes. As always everyone will have an opportunity to voice their opinion in a fair manner.

Finally, there will be one more surprise which I AM NOT letting out of the bag until it's set in Concrete.

Everyone have a Safe and Happy Halloween!!
ICM

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Good stuff man...I was about to bring Post Work up but it seems 'Great Minds.......'. .. ...

 

Once in a while I look around,
I see a sound
and try to write it down
Sometimes they come out very soft
Tinkling light sound
The Sun comes up again

 

 

 

 

 

"Finally, there will be one more surprise which I AM NOT letting out of the bag until it's set in Concrete."

Weeeell, if you're not going to say anything, then maybe we should make things up until you do :D

[start speculation]
A brand new feature where the 20 images that get the most... err ... lets call them points (all users and their clones are allowed to click a button on the gallery page to assign a point to an image) , are put onto a single page for all to see.  A point counts towards the point total for the image for one week after it was assigned..
[end speculation]

Hows that? :D

Dreams are just nightmares on prozac...
Digital WasteLanD

Get out your Pink Ponies too.............(shoots Flak in the mouse)LOL

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ICM: Who thought this one up?

Available on Amazon for the Kindle E-Reader

All the Woes of a World by Jonathan Icknield aka The Bryster

And in my final hours - I would cling rather to the tattooed hand of kindness - than the unblemished hand of hate...

Personally I would want people to see what is possible using Bryce, but if it's moved to 'mixed medium' then nobody will know it's Bryce. What i'd like to see though, is those images that are Poser or DazStudio characters rendered in Bryce with no discernable Bryce modelling being moved out of there.... the Bryce gallery that is. However, I think I'd rather see Bryce modelled scenes that include postwork remain in the Bryce gallery.

Perhaps you could give some examples just so as we understand, which constitutes Bryce, and which should be mixed medium.

I can understand the need to separate Pure Bryce from Bryce with lots of postwork, or even any postwork.

But I admit that I too do not like the idea of Bryce created (even if not finished) images leaving the Bryce...fold.

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

BTW, the post work I was mentioning was the images that don't look like Bryce anymore  from use of filter etc. in Photoshop/PSP etc., so I am in favour of Minor post work staying in Bryce. The thing that bugs me more than anything is the one's who are simply using Bryce as a render engine for DAZ/Poser...an awful waste of a great app to *not use any of it's features , *and as these images tend to have more DAZ/Poser content than Bryce content I'd be in favour of moving these to their respective DAZ or Poser gallery...my 2 cents Canadian.. ...

 

Once in a while I look around,
I see a sound
and try to write it down
Sometimes they come out very soft
Tinkling light sound
The Sun comes up again

 

 

 

 

 

No offense, but words don't really describe what you mean. Can someone at least post some links to images to give comparisons... my gallery is open to debate of what constitutes a bryce  or mixed scene if that helps..

The scantily clad poser figure rendered in Bryce gets my goat up far more than any postwork issues, though I do understand the point.

*ICM: Who thought this one up?

*B, this has been a question of fair application for a long time, and is also part of Renderosity as a whole. If you cruise through other Forums and galleries you can see where the focus is on the Program of interest while showcasing, experimenting, and learning in that enviroment.
Once the artwork or project becomes intertwined with alternative software and resource material, it changes the original intent, and changes the showcase value of the gallery.

My Gallery is a very good example of what I'm talking about. A good Bryce composition with some postwork to enhance the image, or to create a style of presentation is fine. Then there are those that I've used components of Bryce while mixed and used with other software to create the final image, those I've placed in Mixed Medium or 2D galleries.

To be Continued.....

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With responses here and through IM's, I'm glad to have brought this up and am thrilled with the concerns.

To give you all some real "Nuts & Bolts" as far as what has provoked this situation.
Each day I check the gallery to cover Mod duties, here are some of the issues.
(NO NAMES ARE TO BE USED HERE)

Images that have a Bryce based background, the rest of the image is comprised of Photos Cut & Pasted for the main subject matter.

Images Rendered in Bryce and have had so many Filters applied in a 2D editor, you can't tell it's Bryce anymore.

Images that are collages of Bryce renders, Abstracts, 2D editing with text and tubes, etc.
.........................................................................

I'm not looking to hammer out every piece that has some postwork or presentation accent.
These are (as stated in many of your responses) the small enhancments that really shocase what Bryce can do.......and whatever it can't do........the forum is here to iron out questions people have to acheive desired results.

There are Great artists here that use Lots of postwork to enhance lighting, DOF, remove Jaggies and Polygon lines, these are fine. If you had a contract with a Publication, (Which we've already seen here) these finished products would be expected to be clean and polished.
No good piece of work is going away from here on those premises.

There are times when I scratch my head as to why an artist chooses Bryce for JUST the render engine, imports a Poser figure, and makes a portrait style image. Poser has a fantastic Render engine and Lighting controls. However, One of the great things about Bryce is that it imports relatively easy, and we can all agree, once you're comfortable with an interface, the workflow and creativity steps up a notch. So it leaves me with a sense of knowing what a Great program this really is.

To be Continued.........

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I will not single out any one image or example, if you cruise the gallery on a daily basis, understand all the subtle nuances between Newbies, Part timers, talented artistes, purists, different styles of genre, then you'll begin to understand what I'm talking about.

Better yet, cruise my Gallery, I'm more constringent on "HOW" I post my own work.

To be Continued.........

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Why not seperate Bryce into two categories...Pure Bryce and Bryce with postwork?

Because Postwork is fine, and we already have a Gallery for "Mixed Medium".

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I think something should be done with the Bryce challenge since you bring this up.... when is it 'Bryce' and when is it 'mixed'. If it's a Bryce challenge then surely it should be Bryce......

I agree in principle with what you say Terry, as my advice to anyone learning Bryce is learn to make your own stuff. The only problem is that many people who are beginners would not join in with the challenges. For me the challenges are a way of learning, especially for the new guys and a great way to get people involved with the community here.
I'll admit when I first started out that I would download models to use in my scenes. But as you get more familiar with the app you can then start to introduce your own stuff. Also for others modelling is either too time consuming when relating to real life issues, and some people can never get the hang of it no matter how hard they try.
As for the postwork issue well it's a tough one to judge. I use postwork and on occasion perhaps I've crossed the line. But in most cases it will be the sky and atmosphere that I tweak and all my models have been made by me with Bryce which time wise is where the majority of my time is spent.
I'm sure ICM'S idea is within the best interests of Bryce. My only concern is that by moving peoples work into another gallery  might cause ructions. We then get a scenario where people start to judge others work to harshly for the use of postwork and end up losing a vital part of the community.

http://joevinton.blogspot.com/

Well this is why it's called a challenge, and beginners work should but judged by the fact that they are new at it. If the idea of the challenge is to learn as well, then thats how it should be. When seasoned users are still importing things as the main part of the scene, which is something that could at least be attempted with Bryce modelling, well that ain't Bryce.
I'm no expert, what I learned, I learned by doing, and but seeing how others do it. There is simply no excuse why anyone cannot try to learn this way. When imports come into Bryce and those import play a large part in the scene, then it's no longer Bryce IMO. 
Maybe TheBrysters purist approach has rubbed off on me.

*quote

I'm sure ICM'S idea is within the best interests of Bryce. My only concern is that by moving peoples work into another gallery  might cause ructions.

*They can cause all the ructions they want, ...........if they choose to create MIXED MEDIUM images and post them to the Bryce Gallery........They have made their own choice based on the rules.

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When imports come into Bryce and those import play a large part in the scene, then it's no longer Bryce IMO.

*Please contact the creators of Bryce and have them REMOVE the IMPORTS OPTION.

I'm sending examples of the Gallery postings to you to give you a CLEAR example.
(THESE NAMES ARE NOT TO BE MADE PUBLIC!!)

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'Please contact the creators of Bryce and have them REMOVE the IMPORTS OPTION.'

I did say a large part of the scene ICM, so there really is no need for sarcasm.

Well i've seen the links, but I still question using an import which is the main theme, part or what ever distinctive thing in the scene, it is not a Bryce scene. If one uses more Bryce modelling than imports then that is ok in my opinion. If my opinion is worth anything....but yeah I know we've been down that road before.

My apologies for the sarcasm.

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@ICM. I noted the 11 minute gap between your 4th and 5th post in this thread. Was that because you were laughing? I usually do when i have just used the words POSER and CREATIVITY in the same paragraph.

I think we are getting too carried away with this...if we say that to post an image in the Bryce gallery that you cannot use imported figures or objects as a central element in your image,regardless of whether or not you could have created them yourself,then you are stifling the artist's creativity...and if this applies to Bryce,then it had better apply to Vue,Carrara and all other apps that do not allow the creation of figures etc. within them.Are we prepared to go this far?I see where dhama is coming from,and where ICM's points are valid,but Bryce allows the importing of objects,it's part of the application.It allows the use of photos on 2D planes to be inserted in to cut down render time and populate scenes with detail,in fact there are tutorials on this very site that show this.I create models in Bryce,I enjoy the challenge and the creation of a final product,but I also choose to use models from Daz when I feel they work better or cut down on time(which is often a factor in real life).Why can't we simply state what has been done with our image...postwork in various programs,models imported and /or created and what was Bryce in origin and leave it at that?I try to make the viewer aware of all that is not a Bryce application in my upload information so as not to cause confusion for newcomers to the software that can't figure out why they can't find that area of the app to do the same...and I will often explain how I arrived at that point,not to toot my own horn,but to help others to find new areas to explore.A lot of us here,myself included,are not professionals or overly experienced in 3D applications and Bryce has an easy learning curve and interface.Why stifle creativity and possibly deter people from just enjoying making art for arts sake by sticking to a purist ideal.Simply show all that was done both in and out of Bryce,accept that Bryce was the software used to render,and allow the art to stand for itself!

Quote - My apologies for the sarcasm.

Thats ok mate, was a little pissed at something else that switched off the logical side of my brain for a little while. I apologise too.

Quote - ....I see where dhama is coming from,and where ICM's points are valid,but Bryce allows the importing of objects,it's part of the application.!

Agreed, but in my opinion, when someone say for instance imports a poser character and then renders it with a sparse Bryce built background, That is not a Bryce scene.
My definition of a Bryce scene is, where the main topic, theme or otherwise is built in Bryce with what Bryce has to offer, irregardless of wether one imports a few simple items.... as long as the main theme is Bryce built.

At the beginning of this thread, I thought, the main theme was POSTWORK....and not the import of objects, or not? Everything what is possible to do with bryce itself should be posted in the bryce-gallery. Everyrthing from outside bryce is not pure bryce, but mixed medium. ....yes, so easy it could be!!!!

In hope you can understand my Germanish-English?:-)

PS: I am back again, from a longer summer-break.
...and I never used postwork on my images!!!!!!!

Allibaba

Only 3D and Bryce, comes at my pictures!!!

A discussion a so much controversy, since we have several tendencies. 
I never used postwork, to not to be to include frame and signature, but I am not against postwork. 
The fact is that: If some details be just imported of other tools I don't consider the image as not pure Bryce. 
If Bryce be limited in some points (and he is) it justifies the import of objects that I cannot do with Bryce. 
Fantastic trabalhso exist signed by Vue, Daz, Bryce, Terragen among others that they were concluded largely by tools of retouchings, and nor for that they will leave of they be them same. 
To limit the use of Bryce or of any other tool it is to define your death. 
I will continue to be puristic until the day in that Bryce not to be permitted more to use him/it, but I won't stop eulogizing a good work where there was postwork. 
 
Excuse me for the translation. 
 
Hugs

*@ICM. I noted the 11 minute gap between your 4th and 5th post in this thread. Was that because you were laughing? I usually do when i have just used the words POSER and CREATIVITY in the same paragraph.

***Cyba_Storm, please dont discount Poser so quick, there have been some phenominal artists that use Some or all Poser stuff.

just a couple, there's lots more
Some
hobbit

All
BigT**

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No indeed, theres is nothing wrong with poser, just that the poser gallery has too many quick load/posed characters that quite frankly have this shocked looked on their faces.... but who can blame them LOL!

@ICM. If you check my favorites you will note a large number of them are Poser Images. I agree there are people out there that can make that progran sing, BUT most of them can't . And I mean most. There are probably 100,000 poser users on this site,and 100 that can use it. One in a 1000 is not a great strike rate.

I know as moderator in what was originally a Poser community you have to defend it, but seriously once you move out of the Poser Community most other member think the majority of art work with a Poser tag is rubbish.

Dare I enter this fray?

I agree there folks that upload daily into Bryce gallery that just seem to be Poser models with a stock pose, placed on a feebie model, pasted on a downloaded background.  There is too much of this, imho.  The quality of the Bryce gallery suffers as a whole because of it.  I can understand why ICM would want to improve this situation;but.....

Drawing a line in the sand would be difficult.  It would be nearly as difficult in describing "what is art".  Ruling out all images that were not "pure" by dhama's description would be closing one's eyes to some powerful features of our favorite app. 

I would be disappointed if I had an image pulled and stuck in mixed media because I used geocontrol generated terrain or an effect added by importing an apophysis flame when it was Bryce that allowed me this freedom.  

Brycetech selected one of my images to use on the back of his most recent Bryce tutorial CD.  Guess what,  it was an image where Daz Mil Dragon was the main subject, blended in to an apophysis background, and postworked for smoothing and some detail.  I guess he and his staff that selected the image were heretic to have chosen the image???

Is Carrara/RDS gallery going to implement the same standards??  There are more poser peeps there than in Bryce gallery.

Please all keep in mind I am not opposed to this change.  I am just airing some things that come to mind in trying to choose where to set the guidelines.

I kindly offer that our mod's current avatar is from a scene posted in Bryce gallery.  How would you determine it would stay in Bryce and others he posted in mixed-media would not:  You see the point I am making, Rod.  You would be leaving a lot open to judgment and opinion.

OK, Guess I have to send you the same examples and clear up the muddied waters for you.
What I send you IS NOT TO BE MADE PUBLIC....NO NAMES

Before anyone else fogs up the matter anymore, Please Review my Gallery, then Look at the Bryce Gallery and note images with PhotoPasties as the main subject, and 2D Tubes and other Pasties......These are what craosses the line into Mixed Medium. Then go to Mixed Medium, Lots of heavy mixes of Software usage and Non Bryce Resources that make the image something that DOES NOT look like Bryce work. COMON, you know what a Bryce image looks like even with some post work.

My Gallery is carefully chosen.......when I pass the mark in the sand the makes my image a non Bryce image.....It's VERY clear.

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Thanks for the IM.  I knew exactly who and what you were referring to.   Everyone please understand my example of ICM's avatar example was to point out it will be sometimes a difficult judgment.   Once the guidelines are posted, I hope everyone will self police their posting and make the mods job easy and non-controversial by accepting the judgment.

MY POV is this:

**Firstly, IF everything in a Bryce scene, is imported into Bryce, be it a 2d.lst tube,  or Obp's, it's a Bryce scene, especially if the ONLY PW is for signature, as the majority of my work is!
**

Secondly, as an contributing artist here, IMHO, the mark of a truly good artist & art,  is knowing "when  to let go," there is such a state of obsessive tweak-tweak-tweaking; it actually spills over into other life activities in diverse forms,  "power-tripping" being a prominent example. 

But what do I know?  I'm just a 60 year old retired Behavioral Psychologist who dabbles in 3D art mediums.
 

May I just ask one thing ICM, is everything in my gallery that is marked Bryce consistent with what one would call a Bryce scene?

What about the use of DOF??? I use the DOF mask in some of my Bryce renders and then use it in PS CS 2 to get that depth work tweaked. Would that be mixed media, when it originally was done in Bryce and tweaked in Photoshop????

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OS: Windows 11 64-bit
Poser: Poser 11.3 ...... Units: inches or meters depends on mood
Bryce: Bryce Pro 7.1.074
Image Editing: Corel Paintshop Pro
Renderer: Superfly, Firefly

9/11/2001: Never forget...

Smiles are contagious... Pass it on!

Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday

 

*May I just ask one thing ICM, is everything in my gallery that is marked Bryce consistent with what one would call a Bryce scene?

*dhama, have you added pieces of photos in a 2D editor as your main subject?, have you used tubes & or brushes to paint in more than 50% of your subject matter, or have you changed the entire look of the rendered image with 2D Filters?

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*What about the use of DOF??? I use the DOF mask in some of my Bryce renders and then use it in PS CS 2 to get that depth work tweaked. Would that be mixed media, when it originally was done in Bryce and tweaked in Photoshop????

*Thunderstone, You used a DOF Mask rendered in Bryce, and it's original design intention IS to be used in a 2D editor just for DOF.
 
Did  you add pieces of photos in a 2D editor as your main subject?, have you used tubes & or brushes to paint in more than 50% of your subject matter, or have you changed the entire look of the rendered image with 2D Filters?

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Quote - Thunderstone, You used a DOF Mask rendered in Bryce, and it's original design intention IS to be used in a 2D editor just for DOF.
 
Did  you add pieces of photos in a 2D editor as your main subject?, have you used tubes & or brushes to paint in more than 50% of your subject matter, or have you changed the entire look of the rendered image with 2D Filters?

ICM,
Nope, I don't use tubes as for changing the look of the rendered item, I can honestly say that any changes made, were done inside Bryce, PERIOD!
(With the exception of adding a frame and/or signature to the piece.)

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OS: Windows 11 64-bit
Poser: Poser 11.3 ...... Units: inches or meters depends on mood
Bryce: Bryce Pro 7.1.074
Image Editing: Corel Paintshop Pro
Renderer: Superfly, Firefly

9/11/2001: Never forget...

Smiles are contagious... Pass it on!

Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday

 

The matter at hand is going to be focused on images that have been changed by over processing and adding things to a render that were not originally in the render.

Brushes & tubes from a 2D editor, Clips from Photos and other images not rendered in bryce, Filters applied to completely change the look of the render.

When you've taken a Bryce Render and Mixed your talents into the image by using other resources and imagery.

I cant Make a Bryce Render, Paste some Photos to it and post that image in the Photo Gallery.

THAT IS WHAT MIXED MEDIUM GALLERY IS FOR!!!!!!

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What about desaturating, or converting a native render to B&W, in an image editor to achieve an effect which you gotta admit would be difficult, but not impossible in Bryce. Would that be considered acceptable? If the Bryce native render was unaltered any other way?

Using a desat w/ color change to create a sepia antique style image is fine............

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1617924

Here I changed an all grayscale render to sepia and added a presentation style.

I didn't paste a clip art or photographic Biker dude, Or make flames all around it with
PS-brushes........just basic postwork.

Read the comment with the image.

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What you are referring to then are elements added after a render, like images superimposed onto a render. And, other renders that have been altered with 'filter effects' that change the render into a 2D image.

If that is it in nutshell, then I am in total agreement.

Whew, that only took one week. I was getting tuckered out. ROFLMAO

Abbot & Costello

Agentsmith & Draculaz

ICM & dhama

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Pinky and the Brain.

I think I'm losing the will to live.

Available on Amazon for the Kindle E-Reader

All the Woes of a World by Jonathan Icknield aka The Bryster

And in my final hours - I would cling rather to the tattooed hand of kindness - than the unblemished hand of hate...

Sometimes words are not enough...... but maybe if you'd explained it as eliquently and to the point as I...... :laugh:

so if i read this correct the new bryce gallery will contain this picture.... everything else is in mixed media?

Experience is no substitute for blind faith.

http://avalon2000.livejournal.com/ - My Art Blog

http://jeferies.jalbum.net/Richard%20Jeferies%20Future%20Perfect/

:glare:

ROFL@RJ!

:b_funny: @ RJ

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OS: Windows 11 64-bit
Poser: Poser 11.3 ...... Units: inches or meters depends on mood
Bryce: Bryce Pro 7.1.074
Image Editing: Corel Paintshop Pro
Renderer: Superfly, Firefly

9/11/2001: Never forget...

Smiles are contagious... Pass it on!

Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday

 

Available on Amazon for the Kindle E-Reader

All the Woes of a World by Jonathan Icknield aka The Bryster

And in my final hours - I would cling rather to the tattooed hand of kindness - than the unblemished hand of hate...

Grafikeer writes
*I think we are getting too carried away with this...if we say that to post an image in the Bryce gallery that you cannot use imported figures or objects as a central element in your image,regardless of whether or not you could have created them yourself,then you are stifling the artist's creativity...and if this applies to Bryce,then it had better apply to Vue,Carrara and all other apps that do not allow the creation of figures etc. within them.Are we prepared to go this far?I see where dhama is coming from,and where ICM's points are valid,but Bryce allows the importing of objects,it's part of the application.It allows the use of photos on 2D planes to be inserted in to cut down render time and populate scenes with detail,in fact there are tutorials on this very site that show this.

I agree with grafikeer.

I use Bryce for all my images. I import models from D|S too, because you just cannot make alot of those in Bryce - let's face it Bryce is not a proper modelling app like C4D for example, so as I love using Bryce (I am a big Bryce fan, even with it's problems) and want free reign on my creativity, using whatever models I need to to convey my scence, then I have to use models. Until Bryce becomes a full modelling application I have no choice.

So I use a mix of model and stuff from Bryce. I use alot of Bryce textures, even on those imported models. I use Bryce terrains, sky lab etc, primitives etc. 

Does that mean therefore, because I have imported models that my work could not be said to be based on Bryce?????

I use postwork to whateve level I need to get the right look. I have never found Bryce images satisfactory from my point of view without it. But I would be very disappointed that because of that I could no longer post in the Bryce gallery. Like I said, I am a fan of Bryce, and I have seen some amazing work created using Bryce, with postwork, which had encouraged me. If they had been in the Mixed Medium gallery I might not have found them.

I feel a bit irked at the thought. It sounds a bit like some of you are saying an image has to have a certain 'look' to be called Bryce.

I would be interested to know if my images would be classed as Mixed Medium
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/browse.php?user_id=347007

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I would be interested to know if my images would be classed as Mixed Medium
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/browse.php?user_id=347007

 
 In my opinion, your gallery has some exceptional art, but I would not call it Bryce simply beacuse most of the elements are imported. Of course, this doesn't mean it's a bad thing; you simply have a gallery of scenes that could not be acheived in Bryce alone. This is just my thought.

Thanks for your feedback dharma.

But...as someone else pointed out, Bryce is set up to import element because you cannot model them in Bryce. That is one of the features of Bryce.  I don't see that that should negate being able to call the image a Bryce image if one has used textures, landscape, lighting etc in addition to the elements, to create a scene, and then rendered it in Bryce...

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Ok, here's an interesting idea...I wonder how many images would be left in the Bryce gallery if all those that had  postwork, or imported elements were removed (i.e it's not 'pure' Bryce)? Someone care to take a look and take a guess???

:biggrin:

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I guess you could have rendered most of your scenes in DazStudio, or even 3DSmax LOL!.
Your scenes contain more imported elements than what is native to Bryce from what I could see,, but again that is not the opinion of this forum or Renderosity, just my thoughts.

Yeah, but I don't wanna use DazStudio...I love my Bryce!....(stamps foot and sulks):biggrin:

 

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Well I guess that is the difference then. :laugh:

IO4, Your gallery is fine, the only Bryce image that might draw some attention is
"~A Madness~", because it appears to be Comped together in a 2d editor, and it does look more like a 2d comp than a Bryce image. In that case I would request the Bryce file for proof.

If you read through this Thread, I'm sure you can figure out for yourself what will be acceptable. Your gallery plays very much as mine does. Nice work BTW.

ICM

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Thanks very much  for taking a look ICM:)

Will you be posting example images when the new changes are formally introduced?  I think it would be really helpful.

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IO4, You're welcome.

There will be links in the headers of both the gallery and the forum to a page with explanatation and graphical reference.

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well, if Bryce didn't require a knowledge of Boolean algebra to model things in primitives (hey, I only have 5.5...;) I could get away with posting in Bryce. But even strapped down as I am at the moment, I still model in Wings.

and the day Poser can create landscapes, move lights around like Bryce, etc., then I might be a Poser hobbyist.

But in the end, I like making pictures, and Bryce is an important tool. It's just not the only one.

I can post in mixed media; good to know, though.

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)

Ah-HA!  Finally! Pakled confesses! 

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And in my final hours - I would cling rather to the tattooed hand of kindness - than the unblemished hand of hate...

Oh. My. God.  Even here, the trainspotters have finally taken over the asylum.  Who is to judge when an image has crossed this arbitrary line?  Will there be a right of appeal?

My self-build system - Vista 64 on a Kingston 240GB SSD, Asus P5Q Pro MB, Quad 6600 CPU, 8 Gb Geil Black Dragon Ram, CoolerMaster HAF932 full tower chassis, EVGA Geforce GTX 750Ti Superclocked 2 Gb, Coolermaster V8 CPU aircooler, Enermax 600W Modular PSU, 240Gb SSD, 2Tb HDD storage, 28" LCD monitor, and more red LEDs than a grown man really needs.....I built it in 2008 and can't afford a new one, yet.....!

My Software - Poser Pro 2012, Photoshop, Bryce 6 and Borderlands......"Catch a  r--i---d-----e-----!"

 

i think we need to keep the Bryce images to the mandatory sphere and water image. Pure Bryce.

I realize i don't post around here much, so sorry for the intrusion into the space..BUT..I have been a Bryce user since V2, which was the 1st PC version, so this gives me a key to the domain :)

Things just become too complicated in what should be fun, or work, if you're a pro...guess work could still be fun....
Anyway ... this is an argument in all app galleries. Poser has the same issues with postwork.
I'm thinking if its rendered in Bryce, its Bryce. There should, however, be categories within the Bryce gallery..such as PURE BRYCE..where everything is modeled, textured, lit, in Bryce...no postwork.
Then you can have Bryce--Post work allowed, and,
Bryce --- Yes I used Bryce but it could have been done in anything, category.
That would be fair...it would show exactly what can be done in Bryce...as a pure renderer and modeler, and as most people use it, mixed media.

Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together.
All things connect......Chief Seattle, 1854

*Oh. My. God.  Even here, the trainspotters have finally taken over the asylum.  Who is to judge when an image has crossed this arbitrary line?  Will there be a right of appeal?

*Judge? Not quite, The process will be a request of questionable material & apps used to the posted image. If there is sufficient information that the image has gone closer to Mixed Medium Genre than Bryce Genre, then there is no need for appeal.  It's the artists choice of of how far they wish to Process the Image.

Question Paul, Do you paste cut images from photographs, IE; People, Foliage, Structures, or Use effects, 2D brushes or Tubes that equal more than 50% of your final Bryce Image?

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Quote - Question Paul, Do you paste cut images from photographs, IE; People, Foliage, Structures, or Use effects, 2D brushes or Tubes that equal more than 50% of your final Bryce Image?

No to the paste and cut, yes to 2D/effects; don't know what a Tube is!

As to the 50% thing.....I don't know, maybe 20%?

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My Software - Poser Pro 2012, Photoshop, Bryce 6 and Borderlands......"Catch a  r--i---d-----e-----!"

 

Theres your answer then. I'm a Bryce user and have been since day 1, and after contemplating these changes I fully agree with them. Just because something is rendered in Bryce...Does NOT make it Bryce.... just so much as a classic E-type Jag doesn't become a 'bob's respray service' .... if it should ever need it; it's still a Jag and an E-type at that.

For giggles I went back through the last ten days of the Bryce gallery with this new criteria in mind (as opposed to just exploring the images as usual). I saw three possible offences I thought might transgress the forthcoming utopia. Since this period translated almost precisely to ten pages, you're talking essentially 3 images out of 240 posted over ten days. Is that really a problem worthy of this sort of officious intervention? I mean, seriously, submitting scene files for proof?!

How many more suspicious images do you see in that period, ICM, with your keen eye trained to this issue? Twice as many; three times as many? Call it nine images - what the hell: twelve! How big a deal is that?

The problem, such as it is, seems to be that some Renderosity members don't organise their galleries in the same way as ICM. I say that because he keeps offering his as an example of proper procedure. Well, so what? What does it matter? Who, or what, is harmed if someone puts a portrait photo in front of a Bryce backdrop and posts the result in the Bryce gallery (along with, say, "Fantasy")? Does it matter if the photo was dropped on in post or inserted via a 2D pict object within Bryce? The result is the same - what's the problem? And who is to say (fairly), other than the artist, whether the photo or the backdrop is the focus of the piece?

So some members, a tiny ratio it seems, post images in one gallery category that some other members, an even tinier minority it seems, think ought to be in another category. For this irrelevant non-problem that Renderosity has somehow managed to survive for nearly a decade, new rules are to be introduced and members images arbitrarily moved, with backroom staff discussions and file inspections part of the delightful process.

 

Just whose kids does this help?

PJF, contact the Renderosity Admin, and request a position of Moderator.

ICM

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Hi Everyone, I've been reading some of the posts here concerning importing. And I must say that I'm so guilty of crossing that line, But sometimes the image I have in mind might require a person in it, and let's face it's nearly impossible to model a person in Bryce I don't think I've ever
seen one. From what I understand and I've only been using Bryce for eight months is that Bryce
was created as a landscape generator. But I believe that it can do alot more, I also feel that the true art of Bryce is modeling your own stuff not just downloading an object and inserting it into your image to save time, I understand that sometimes you just have to do that but I prefer to model my own things if at all possible. As far as postwork guilty again, But there's certain effects that are only obtainable through other apps, Bryce can't do everything and to me the end result is what really matters because that's what everyone ends up seeing anyway, You can all sit there and say oh he/she imported that from Daz or Poser or they used a lot of postwork on that image, but the bottom line is that it's all art and it's beautiful and creative and when I look at someone's work the last thing I'll notice is what programs they used to create it I just appreciate the art itself, Anyway that's my two cents I hope I didn't offend anyone I think we're all here for the same reason and that's a love for art. Have a good one yall! BRYCE RULES!!!

how about this novel idea?
Renderosity gets rid of the application headings and just breaks images down into their categories such as 3D, 2D, and photography...then sub categories such as fantasy, sci fi, etc etc...

then its only the end result "art" that is an issue, not the application it was created in or post worked in. Fair for everybody. The cream would rise to the top, the images that everyone can id as coming from Poser, Bryce, or heavily imported,  the plug and play style, would be clearly evident.

I really don't care how a piece was created, especially what application. It is cool, however, to know that a great work was done in Bryce, Poser, or whatever...it demonstrates a skill an artist has, the ability to manipulate a program, so it would be up to the artist to describe what he used or did in the description, very much like they do in 3D World mag in the exhibition pages.

Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together.
All things connect......Chief Seattle, 1854

Quite true, the end result is art. Maybe we could have one gallery that is called the 'art' gallery LOL!

* But sometimes the image I have in mind might require a person in it, and let's face it's nearly impossible to model a person in Bryce I don't think I've ever
seen one.

*Maybe not a person per-say.......
How about a dog, or other creatures:

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/full.php?image_id=1652569

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=365639&member

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=362270&member

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=335439&member

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=326431&member

What is really great about Bryce is it's versatility:
It CAN import
it CAN model
it HAS the ability to export layers due to it's mask feature which allows for POSTWORK.
It HAS the ability to generate a DOF mask for precision DOF blurring in a 2D editor

These and many more options allows the artist a lot of lattitude for creating in Bryce, this I why the seperation of pasting 2D images, and pasting "tube" items should be distinguished becuse of it's actual mechanical process and placed in Mixed Medium.
If you want to get really technical and sneak in your Photo-people, create the masked person in the 2D editor, import it into Bryce on a 2D plane with a transparency mask and Render-Away!!
Same process with Tubes.

More to come......

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Quote - * *
If you want to get really technical and sneak in your Photo-people, create the masked person in the 2D editor, import it into Bryce on a 2D plane with a transparency mask and Render-Away!!
Same process with Tubes.

More to come......

To play the Devil's Advocate for a minute doesn't Bryce already do this with one or two of the installed trees, but this doesn't strike to the heart of what you're on about I know, just had to point it out and that it is an accepted  Bryce protocol.. ...

 

Once in a while I look around,
I see a sound
and try to write it down
Sometimes they come out very soft
Tinkling light sound
The Sun comes up again

 

 

 

 

 

Yes and that's my POINT................Do it in Bryce!!! WEEEEEEEEEEEE

OK, Time to play:

I take My Big Clay Bryce Render, Smack it a half dozen times with my Photoshop baseball bat, Stomp on it a few times with my PaintShopPro Boots...........

33% Bryce
33% Photoshop
33% PSP
..................................................It's NO LONGER Bryce!! It's a mechanical abboration of what you started with...........Take a piccy of Grandma near the Xmas tree, Now paste a render of an Alien next to her and Post this to the Photography Gallery and see what happens.

I'll tell ya, It's nooooott Going in the gallery you think it's gonna.

(Too much Cooffee maybe?) LOL

Postwork is a good thing, smoothing out the edges, blurring up the sharp stuff from front to back , Correcting some color issues, givin it a frame, a name, Some Pizzazz.

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LOL! ICM..... :lol:

I  think I'm going to just drop in my $0.02 in to this farce.

If it's rendered in Bryce it is Bryce.

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And in my final hours - I would cling rather to the tattooed hand of kindness - than the unblemished hand of hate...

Quote - I  think I'm going to just drop in my $0.02 in to this farce.

If it's rendered in Bryce it is Bryce.

Or rather it is a Bryce Render You take a DAZ scene for instance, and load it into Bryce, get the textures working, add a sky and atmosphere and a rudimentary terrain for the DAZ scene to sit on...to me this is a DAZ Scene, Rendered in Bryce not a Bryce Scene...my ever decreasing 2 cents Canadian.. ...

 

Once in a while I look around,
I see a sound
and try to write it down
Sometimes they come out very soft
Tinkling light sound
The Sun comes up again

 

 

 

 

 

Not a Bryce scene maybe Bobby, but it would still be a Bryce Render..... and I ain't paying for that reply, even if it is only 2 cents.

Here we are, just found an entry in Merriam-Websters dictionary...

Main Entry: 1Bryce
Pronunciation: Poor mans Vue
Function: Frustrating verb
Inflected Form(s): bryce'd; Bryc·ing
Etymology: Middle English Brycen, from Anglo-French Bryce D'sprit, from Latin Bryster
Date: 20th century

1 : Ancient 3D Artist's tool
2 : Obsolete landscaping tool

Oh Dhama! You're going straight to hell for that one! 

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And in my final hours - I would cling rather to the tattooed hand of kindness - than the unblemished hand of hate...

ICM - I rarely participate in the forum, but I have been posting in the Bryce gallery for several years & though I NEVER do any postwork (not that I have anything against postwork - it's just a personal choice), I respectfully submit that this is a bad idea & as futile as debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

I'm sure you have noble motives for wanting to do this, but I find it disturbing when anyone tries to impose rigid boundaries on artwork. I think the thing that bothers me the most is the statement you made that everyone knows what a Bryce scene looks like. I completely disagree with that. Everyone may know what a TYPICAL Bryce scene looks like, but one of the things that I have always loved about Bryce (& I have been a user since the first PC version, Bryce 2) is the openness & limitless possibilities it offers. I believe a lot of my work (particularly the mandalas I create in Bryce) are examples of pure Bryce work that doesn't look like "typical Bryce". I would also point to the work of Wilby as a particularly fine example of that. We should be celebrating the creativity of artists who stretch the boundaries of what Bryce can do, including the use of whatever other software - for either modeling or postwork - they might want to introduce, not arbitrarily labeling things as "non-Bryce" when it reaches a certain threshold. Does it have to be 51% Bryce? Would 49% or 50% then not qualify? I think you would very likely wind up  wasting valuable time & energy debating what is & isn't Bryce & upsetting members whose work was re-categorized - time that would be better spent creating & viewing art here on Renderosity...     

"Every child is an artist. The problem is how to remain an artist once we grow up." - Picasso

eyeland,
I do believe a point that both ICM and myself are trying to make, as well as the post issue, well me in any case for sure, is that since DAZ bought Bryce and added the easy bridge to importing their scenes holus bolus, Bryce at certain points starts to look more like in the main, a render engine for the convenience of DAZ users...just what I've noticed.
No flies on DAZ as it is a cute lil app for folks  who need that but, and I admit I haven't even got into it so I could be way off base, it is not essentially a modeler, but more of a[please forgive my ignorace here]stage set[ not the correct term but conveys the image] to display DAZ figures...at which point it really ceases being more than 10% Bryce....as I said, just my 2 cents whatever that's worth today.. ...

 

Once in a while I look around,
I see a sound
and try to write it down
Sometimes they come out very soft
Tinkling light sound
The Sun comes up again

 

 

 

 

 

Attached Link: Estevez's newest

Okay ICM, Bobby, Bryster, Dhama, et al, here's one to test your gauntlet of approval. Estevez is one of my favorite Bryce artists. He doesn't post a new one that often, but his style is instantly recognizable, at least to me. His latest render is quite lovely, but does it pass your sniff test? It definitely does't look like a 'standard" Bryce render.

Of course it doesn't look like a standard Bryce Render........He's been doing these for as long as I've known him & it's rare to find someone these days that are willing to spend a decent amount of time on a piece of artwork like he does to acheive this amount of quality. Go check out Beton, Hobbit, or Rochr since your into naming names, These along with Estevez, MarioG, and a handful of other artists create works that far surpass most anyone here including me.

So again, No it doesn't look like a typical BR, and.............I never said Postwork or Imports were wrong.

How long since you've been a member here at RR Dan? July 2008

(edit)

Actually I think it's more like Feb 2002, So you really do know what I'm talking about.

Thanks Pal!!

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I've seen these before and from the other artisits that ICM mentions. This particular scene, which is a very beautiful image, but in my mind the end product is not Bryce... I believe the rocks and water were probably rendered in Bryce, but the rest is painted as far as I can see. I don't have artistic abilities like this, but I wish I did. To me, this is a mixture of tools, not just Bryce.

Bryce is used quite a lot by artists to achieve the basics of a scene and then the rest is expertly painted in.

This scene should never be judged alongside a 'Bryce' scene, it would give the impression that Bryce could produce such a scene. Bryce is very versitile, but it needs a lot of help in postwork to reach the level of expertise in the scene in question. If Bryce could create scenes like this without a lot of extra postwork, there would be a lot more people creating art  to this level. Estevez is a very competent artist, and i'm sure they could create such beauty on canvas.

The following is what I would class a Bryce scene from the same artist.....
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1729239&member

Okay, thanks for the explanation and clarification Rod. I think I have a good handle now on what is allowed under the new rules for inclusion in the Bryce gallery. I didn't mean to single out Estevez in any negative fashion, or name names, and yes I admire the skill and artistry of those artists you mentioned. They are some of my favorites too. I wasn't trying to be a rabble-rouser.

I also meant no subterfuge when I adopted a new name. 
I had to abandon my old name when the great email changeover fiasco went down. My previous notification email addy was unfortunately a Hotmail address. When I tried to change to my new gmail address, the Renderosity entry form would not take my old address(required for the changeover) because it was too long to fit in the box.  I got several ebots informing me of comments on my artwork, and I could not visit my own gallery. I created a new name just so I could still visit Renderosity. The draw back to this is that I cannot access, or respond to site mail I received under my old name. Keep up the good work Rod. I have no quarrel with you, or any of the other Mods, or coordinators.

But surely it is simple. If it is rendered in Bryce its a Bryce scene - if its rendered in DAZ its a DAZ scene (the finished look of these two is totally different) You have to remember that Bryce and DAZ Studio are owned by the same people and they are made to work together so I don't think you can penalise someone because they pose in DAZ Studio and then import it into Bryce.

Personally I think you are wrong to decide that anyone will make a decision on what is and what isn't a Bryce scene.

Sent you an IM Bea

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Ockham's razor- It's that simple

I read it and responded :) 

Quote - But surely it is simple. If it is rendered in Bryce its a Bryce scene - if its rendered in DAZ its a DAZ scene .

If it's rendered in Bryce, it is a Bryce render. But, this doesn't make it a Bryce scene. Same thing goes for DazStudio.

I am sorry then what does make it a Bryce scene? If you are using the Bryce lighting and atmosphere and the Bryce engine to render then it is a Bryce scene. It may not be what you think of as a Bryce render but it is probably what the artist thinks of as a Bryce scene and who is to say that he or she is incorrect.

Well, Bryce is so much more than just lighting/atmosphere and the rendering engine..... it also has terrains/trees/primitives and materials etc.

I think the definition of a Bryce scene cannot be determined so easily, because I believe it would have something to do with the content of the scene as well. The determination is further difficult because everyone seems to have their own ideas what constitutes a Bryce scene.... or not for that matter.

Whatever happens, I agree with what ICM has determined.

I am sorry to say it is a sad day when you take the tools we artist (Hobby artist) and start governing how we can create our art and where we can post it. I have been using Bryce since 1998 and then used poser when it came available to me. I don't render in Poser as I feel Bryce is the best render out there that I have. Bryce was made as a landscape program to be used with others like poser to allow a artist the tools to create. I understand the post work as some do take it to the extreme but to say that we can not import say a person into the scene we build in Bryce and post it to the Bryce gallery floors me. I have been a member here since 1999 and this site has never been as strict or professional as it is now. This use to be a family & friends site but like all businesses it has grown to something else. I feel sadden that it has started to be not so family & friends site as more of a business that governs how we can do our art. Just my 2 cents worth.

Sandy
An imagination can create wonderful things

SndCastie's Little Haven

Sandy, no one is saying you can't import a character into a scene....

ICM quote "When imports come into Bryce and those import play a large part in the scene, then it's no longer Bryce IMO."

Wrong just because you center something around something not Bryce doesn't mean it is not Bryce. We all import obj that are our main part of the scene then build our scene around them to say it is not Bryce is not true.

Bobby quote "Or rather it is a Bryce Render You take a DAZ scene for instance, and load it into Bryce, get the textures working, add a sky and atmosphere and a rudimentary terrain for the DAZ scene to sit on...to me this is a DAZ Scene, Rendered in Bryce not a Bryce Scene...my ever decreasing 2 cents Canadian.. ... "

Again wrong that is why Daz put these two together so we can utilize the posing that Bryce doesn't have.

dhama quote "If it's rendered in Bryce, it is a Bryce render. But, this doesn't make it a Bryce scene. Same thing goes for DazStudio. "

Here is a questionable thing. If you don't add anything else to the scene and just render it in Bryce I can agree but if you add anything from Bryce like trees,mountains,etc then I feel it is a Bryce scene.

Sandy
An imagination can create wonderful things

SndCastie's Little Haven

Actually dhama, this Estevez scene to me seems quite 'Bryce' except for the sky which has photographic qualities. But folks have been using photo-skies in all 3D apps as far back as I can remember and that seems to have become accepted practice. So I guess I'm sayin'...this to me, is great Bryce work... I love the trees' scale making them feel alien to each other and the terrain which is also extremely Brycean, as well as the Bryce water....I could be wrong..it happens..but no bells go off for me on this fine pic.. ...

 

Once in a while I look around,
I see a sound
and try to write it down
Sometimes they come out very soft
Tinkling light sound
The Sun comes up again

 

 

 

 

 

I am sorry, i'm no longer part of this argument, i'm bored with saying the same thing over and over. Suffice to say, I still agree with what ICM is saying.

This is like saying, "It ain't an oil painting if it's not painted on canvas.."

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And in my final hours - I would cling rather to the tattooed hand of kindness - than the unblemished hand of hate...

Arguement, no...not a chance...Valuable discussion for certain!!!...and you're welcome to comment or not, so don't feel obliged to get involved if you feel we're argueing. I just feel this is a very interesting thread documenting the way the users really feel about the program.. ...

 

Once in a while I look around,
I see a sound
and try to write it down
Sometimes they come out very soft
Tinkling light sound
The Sun comes up again

 

 

 

 

 

Sandy, I think you'd should re-read the first page of this thread, I've never said No imports..

This is where a lot of people are getting confused, They're not taking the time to read this carefully.

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I read that then read each thread after that and got the impression that there would be changes to the use of imported obj and such not just post work. This is where the quotes from you ,bobby and others that have made the confusion about the imports.

You say it is at the discression of the team and as far as I can see the team is leaning towards no images in the gallery that have imports as the main focus.  Daz has intregated Daz studio with Bryce so that  you can fix things wrong with the imports from there without having to start over again with like Poser. Bryce is a Landscape program then a Model program. Most people can't get the hang of Modeling so they use imports. Not everyone is as talented as some. I have tried both to learn how to model in bryce and how to model using something else. I just can't get the hang of it. I am dumb that way. I am thankful for the ones who are able to learn it that make things for us to use.

I guess the rest of us will just have to post somewhere else because as far as I feel that if I take something into bryce and use the landscape part of it to add to my Poser or Daz studio scene then it becomes a bryce scene. If I render it is Poser I post to Poser, if I render it in Daz Studio which I never have I would post to DazStudio, and if I render it is Bryce then I post to Bryce.

I do not use Post work but I do use imports such as scenes,people,animals, etc.

Sandy
An imagination can create wonderful things

SndCastie's Little Haven

I import Obj's from everywhere.......half read it carefully, and the other half made it a crusade of their own. Oh well, now it's up to someone else.

I'm out

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Now ICM don't feel that way I am just upset that people think that we all should be able to do this or that. I am not aiming this at you just people in general so please do not take offense to me. I still Love everyone here and am just giving my opinion it is not directed at you. :O)

Sandy
An imagination can create wonderful things

SndCastie's Little Haven

No Offense taken Sandy, You helped me get my keys. It's just time to turn them in.

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Well if you need to talk you know where to find me :O)

Sandy
An imagination can create wonderful things

SndCastie's Little Haven

And Sandy, please don'yt think I have anything at all against using DAZ elements within a scene, but please do Bryce the courtesy of using it for what it does best first,ie: create the world is the point I'm trying to make I think. Lawd Nose I have some lovely DAZ models I was gifted from my wishlist by wildman which I  have already previewed in Bryce5.5 and they are so good I have to bone up on my terrain creation before I can use them...LOL.. ...

 

Once in a while I look around,
I see a sound
and try to write it down
Sometimes they come out very soft
Tinkling light sound
The Sun comes up again

 

 

 

 

 

Not sure if I have a dog in this hunt as my creativity seems to have dted when my father passed.
I love Rod, Bry and all the rest of you deeply, though, and usually keep up with what's going on in here, but just became aware of this imho runaway thread.

I just want to remind all concerned that there's not one red cent (or smallest piece of legal tender of your native land) involved.

There is, however, the question of whether a mod should be able to do their (to my knowledge) non-paying job to the best of their abilities and using their best judgement.

I say yes.

So Rod, if you want to move any of my work around, have at it. If anything belongs in adifferent gallery than the one I have posted please move it. Move all my work to the beginners gallery if you like, lol.  All that I ask is that you don't delete anything.

Really, folks, the phrase "much ado about nothing" comes to mind.

I mean no disrespect to the feelings of the other posters. Just adding my own.

XOXOXOX
John

This is not my "second childhood". I'm not finished with the first one yet.

Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.

"I'd like to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather....not screaming in terror like the passengers on his bus." - Jack Handy

Thanks for the vote of confidence mate, and as far as I know this is something that is still being discussed to get a real feel for how our members feel about Bryce/This Gallery/Forum. I think the discussion is going well really.. ...

 

Once in a while I look around,
I see a sound
and try to write it down
Sometimes they come out very soft
Tinkling light sound
The Sun comes up again

 

 

 

 

 

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1783138

Ok here is a link to latest I posted to Bryce gallery

Sandy
An imagination can create wonderful things

SndCastie's Little Haven

I think we have to remember that Bryce has changed from when it was first conceived. It is meant now to run in conjunction with DAZ Studio which means that people will move DAZ scenes into it. but at a guess they would be beginners and I think it would be wrong to curb their enthusiasm by telling them that that is not a Bryce render. There may well be other really experienced artists who feel that post work is a large part of their work but still feel that their image is a Bryce render. Who is to say they are wrong? 

Using DAZ Studio in conjunction with Bryce is one of the best new features since the tree lab.
It allows you to import figures directly into Bryce...you can pose them, etc in DS then bring them into Bryce intact. What more do you want?
I bring in as much as I need. You can also import Poser plants, trees, etc, which are better than Bryce trees anyday.

This rounds out a lifeless Bryce scene with people, buildings, whatever. Bryce creates the terrain as it was meant to be. How can that be a bad thing?

Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together.
All things connect......Chief Seattle, 1854

Quote - . Bryce creates the terrain as it was meant to be. How can that be a bad thing?

This is my point exactly...at very least create the scene in Bryce...people it however for certain but let's base it on Bryce...over n out.. ...

 

Once in a while I look around,
I see a sound
and try to write it down
Sometimes they come out very soft
Tinkling light sound
The Sun comes up again

 

 

 

 

 

I would hope that ICM (Rod) is not seriously quitting as Mod here. That said, I'm reliving the whole Hot 20 debate all over. That didn't end well. It's gone. Anyhow, what distresses me the most (aside from possibly losing ICM if I read his last post correctly) is that there has already been a witch hunt in an earlier thread. And I wouldn't be surprised if that wonderful person has left here and left posting Bryce scenes due to a rather zealot opinion against his scene.
I was shocked and appauled that anyone posting a link to a new image they had created would be put down for it not "Fitting" what some feel is a "legit" Bryce "Scene".  And being told that they shouldn't have posted it in the Bryce Gallery. I was going to IM ICM about it, but judging from the way this thread is going, I don't think I will burden him with one more problem.
I too may quit.

I am sorry to see that ICM is quitting. I for one would be upset if he felt that anything I had said was aimed at him personally.

To avoid any misconception, My decision to step down is based on personal and health reasons.

Ang, I'll send you an Im.

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Oh for God's sake! Rod, get your ass back here!

And when will people stop calling Bryce a landscaper? Sandy, you should know better by now.
We've had this tradition in the Bryce Forum - right along with Cats and families - for years that if it's rendered in Bryce it is Bryce.

Bobby, I'm up for locking this thread.

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All the Woes of a World by Jonathan Icknield aka The Bryster

And in my final hours - I would cling rather to the tattooed hand of kindness - than the unblemished hand of hate...

I got the Lock Chris, Sending out an e-mail in the next hour.

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