After many attempts and hmmm not very nice results I finaly made my first hair prop! I've modeled clothes and props in the past but still hair is the most difficult for me since transparency and textures are very important for nice results. I started this as a head prop but than it become a hairstyle :biggrin: I don't know if there are similar hair out there, I'm sure there should be, It is a personal fun project anyway I'm just happy with the result and wanted to tell it to someone since my non-poserholics friends would never understand what's the big deal :biggrin:

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wow!  that looks great.  i'm really impressed.

Give yourself a big pat on the back for a fine job :)

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Looks very nice ... keep up the good work.

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That looks awesome! Congrats!  I particularly like the back and sides!

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Thanks everyone! Actually it was fun, I may play more with hair doing :biggrin:
Also I must credit Abacus3D :thumbupboth: for his wonderfull texture I've used here

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Excellent! Very nice design and excellent transmap and texture. May I have a copy? I am always looking for hairstyles like worn by art students since I want my figures usually to look like real world art school figure models... all the fantasy hairstyles really are not useful to me, I am always desperate for student and housewife type hair props... I have not found nice 'everyday guy' hair styles for men since the old male hair that came with Poser 4! The new hairs are also too mesh heavy for me... I rely almost entirely on the old Kozoburo hair! They are light and can be adjusted easily with the Poser 7 Morph Brush.

BTW I have found hair looks good with a tiny displacement using the texture map... breaks up the specular. Also some of the old hair that renders patchy in FireFly will render okay with a miniscule displacement setting for reasons I can not guess at.

Hey momodot you are in my mind!
I was thinking about some displacement and bump to get rid of the flatness! :biggrin:
P7 girl hair are a good example of nice displacement on hair
I'm glad you like it, yes the idea is from everyday modern young women from my university  :biggrin:

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Thats awesome and an inspiration.  Could you impart how you got started on it as far as it's construction? I would love to make a unique one myself.

It is modeled on **Wings3D** and I started from a ball than started moving around and adding I wanted to make something like a casque but ended up more like hair... when I liked the shape I smoothed the low poly model and that started adding more layers for the bang the side-hair and the back hair When the model was ready I worked on the UVS and than started from transparency maps testing with a solid color and at the end started working on the texture :biggrin:

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Awesome thanks!   I think it's great man!

You should write a tutorial on how you did it, there is not many tutorials on modeling hair, but tons on painting.

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Actually this is my first hair so someone more experienced should be better on writing a tuttorial :biggrin: I remember kozaburo had one about modeling...

The tecnique is the basic box modeling, starting from a simple shape moving around points and than smoothing...

Just this time I was lucky and it came out like hair...

I tried bump maps without great results, however I managed to get not baked on the texture highlights reacting with lights of the scene (on my first post all highlights are set to black)

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This looks great! How long did it take?

Looks great.

Well, I worked it yesterday the most and also today some minor texture adjustments and material settings

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This is pretty much the progress in a quick example, I'm sure that there are many better tutorials for hair however :biggrin:

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Hey pik ,

That's an excellent "tut without text" that you just did.

... whether you know it or not.

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Said that from the best teacher on the poser world I guess I could not hear a better compliment!

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I like the hairstyle.
BTW: the bangs look like what my former boss at the beauty school I taught at did to me.
He called it the "Bat Bangs" cut. Lol.

The texture is great too. :)

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nice job. Cool style

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This makes me think of a project I thought of a long time ago and that I never followed through on. I was making simple hair following Kozoburo's tutorial using only ball props and magnets and the grouping tool in Poser, I thought I should make a set consisting of a skullcap and some map/transmapped planes with the magnet deformations saved as morphs so they could be curved along the various axis to contour hair in large locks and then exported the results as a single .obj to import as a hair prop... morphs to curve the locks along the head and into the parts and then in or out with skew and taper as they fall away from the head. I figured maybe half a dozen to a dozen of these morphing planes would be adequate to model a hair. I better try actually doing this... wouldn't it be cool? Could finally make some boring everyday style hairs. I wonder if any additional forms such as braids or gathers would be good... a hairstyling kit. All this because I am utterly unable to model with anything aside from Poser... can't ever learn to subdivide and extrude with any of the dozen or so apps I have tried.

Bat Bangs that sounds nice! :biggrin:

momodot you should give wings a try! It is so easy and once you get used the mouse menu it is very quick also

making the same thing you say on wings should be much easier cutting edges is just like grouping, you just click delete on the end and make the unwanted parts as "hole" material (the blue on my example) than when exporting it this would not be a part of the model

I consider magnets much more difficult for some things wing can do with a few clicks. Although after so many years on poser I'm used to them and still use those very very much :biggrin:

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Thanks pitklad, part of my problem is some sort of conceptual blindness in modeling but part is my Parkinsonian tremor which makes working by mouse difficult. Wings is the clearest and I have tried Anim8tor which is okay and wasted money on Shade, RayDream, Hexagon and others. All I can manage is building things with morphing primitives in Poser maybe because I can work mainly by dial. I had hoped Weird Juice was the answer but it gave arbitrary placement of vertice that gave edge artifacts even after smoothing with PhilC's tools. I wish I could learn to build stuff in Poser and then use wings to weld the joins where I wanted smooth blends. I once was able to do that sort of thing and extruding and "dimensionalizing" edges in Anim8tor but I can't seem to do that anymore :(

Ooops, I meant "Batman Bangs"...lol.
You know, looks like his mask shape.

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Okay, so tell me, when you bring the obj into Poser and fit to the head, how to you save it as a hair file rather than a prop? I've never known how this worked. Yesterday I searched the tutorials section and could find nothing about it. I had wondered this since using Poser 4 but never had a need. I recently downloaded a nice hair for V4 which was originally created for DAZ studio, so the download only includes the obj and texture files and so the question came to mind again. How is this done? As well as how do you take a conforming hair and make it a hair file (maybe just me, but I tend to really hate conforming hair). Thanks, if someone could explain this to me.

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Hi Latex ... ,

It's VERY difficult ... :scared:

No, actually, it's not ...

Here's what to do ...

... with the hair loaded and positioned correctly on your figure ... just do the following ...

1. Open the Hair Library.

**>>>>> Note - Position the camera to make a pretty picture in the Document window ...
... because Poser will create the thumbnail picture for the Library. * ...

2. Select the hair

3. Click on the Plus (+) Button at the bottom of the Library window to save it.

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Sorta ... like this ...

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hitting head I must be remembering from back to either Poser 4 or 3 and you couldn't do that. I could only import an obj, position, parent to head and save as a prop. I swear, there was no plus sign in the hair library. I feel like such a dodo! I'm going to try it now. Thanx, Geep!

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Always glad to help a lady.  You're quite welcome.

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So is your hair a prop and if so can it be clothified????  thats what I am talking about :D

Yes it is a prop and after it is parented to the head it can be added on the hair library as well
I haven't tried clothifing it, I'm planning on doing some magnet morphs when I'll get some time...

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